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Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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I like how Bernier is taking a page from the Republican playbook and using a name meant to confuse the rubes of this country into thinking it is literally the 'People's Party'

What page is that?  I don't recall Scheer or Harper or any other Con tacking the word "People's" onto anything.  Will you clarify?

 

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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Choosing food isn't even vaguely like choosing a government, and the appropriate approach to these 2 choices is totally different.

There's not 2 choices.  There's 3.

Don't want food so bland you can't taste it?

Don't want food so spicy you can't taste anything else for a week?

Consider "medium".  A bit of each!

See what I'm getting at?

Is it possible that you are as obtuse as you pretend to be? Who knows? In the unlikely case that you are not just being obnoxious, the 2 choices I was referring to are actually the action of choosing a type of chicken wings, as opposed to the action of choosing a political party to support. Hope this helps.

Sean in Ottawa

After Ford conned people into thinking "For the people" was a thing we now have this.

Soon it will be called the Pee-Pee of C.

josh

I was hoping for the Free Randian Party.

Unionist

Michael Moriarity wrote:

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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Choosing food isn't even vaguely like choosing a government, and the appropriate approach to these 2 choices is totally different.

There's not 2 choices.  There's 3.

Don't want food so bland you can't taste it?

Don't want food so spicy you can't taste anything else for a week?

Consider "medium".  A bit of each!

See what I'm getting at?

Is it possible that you are as obtuse as you pretend to be? Who knows? In the unlikely case that you are not just being obnoxious, the 2 choices I was referring to are actually the action of choosing a type of chicken wings, as opposed to the action of choosing a political party to support. Hope this helps.

I'm going to take a crack at answering your points, Michael:

Michael wrote:
Is it possible that you are as obtuse as you pretend to be?

Possible, but exceedingly unlikely.

Michael wrote:
Who knows?

By now - virtually all of us old-timers know.

Michael wrote:
Hope this helps.

Unlikely. But hope springs eternal.

bekayne

josh wrote:

I was hoping for the Free Randian Party.

The Galt's Gulchers Party Of Canada

Misfit Misfit's picture

I personally like Sean from Ottawa's first post best:

Socialist Hating Independent Team!

The acronym best describes their ideological positions on issues.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Misfit wrote:

I personally like Sean from Ottawa's first post best:

Socialist Hating Independent Team!

The acronym best describes their ideological positions on issues.

Also...would S.H.I.T. be in the Marvel universe, or DC?  

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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I like how Bernier is taking a page from the Republican playbook and using a name meant to confuse the rubes of this country into thinking it is literally the 'People's Party'

What page is that?  I don't recall Scheer or Harper or any other Con tacking the word "People's" onto anything.  Will you clarify?

You should clarify. Bernier named his new party the People's party of Canada which is double speak it in reality is against the people of this country but low IQ voter's will see the words People's Party and think this is a party with the interests of Canadians at heart. It doesn't. Bernier came straight out and said he is only appealing to certain people and if you don't like it,don't vote for me,I don't care. "I only need 40% of the vote'  that fucking prick. Hence he's taken a page from the Republican playbook and using not only as a slogan but Party name as ' The People's'

Where did I mention Harper or Scheer? You really live up to the name Magoo. Clearly you need glasses.

 

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Henced he's taken a page from the Republican playbook and using not only as a slogan but Party name as ' The People's'

OK.  I guess I still just don't remember all the other Conservative parties that used/use "People's" in their name.  Unless you mean the DPRK?

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Where did I mention Harper or Scheer?

You still haven't mentioned anyone.  And it's not a hard question.

 

jerrym

Stockwell Day says Bernier will have a hard time keeping racists out of the party nominations because it is difficult to vet candidates for 338 ridings when there is litttle to no party apparatus to deal with the problem. Bernier has already had a phone call from the leader of the far right Canadian Nationalist Party.

Travis Patron, the leader of the far-right group, says he called Bernier’s office last week because he wanted to “jump on the phone” with him to see if he could find out any details about his new political venture.

“I inquired with Mr. Bernier’s office about his plans for his new party, trying to get some details about what his platform is and to see if there would be any interest in possibly co-operating with the Canadian Nationalist Party. So I reached out to him,” he said. Bernier organizer Martin Masse confirmed that the phone call took place, and said it would be the last.

The Canadian Nationalist Party is a fringe party that is not registered with Elections Canada. The group proposes banning burqas, and deporting asylum seekers. In a recent video Patron tells supporters that the party supports “traditional gender roles,” and says, “We want our men being strong and we want our women being beautiful.”

Patron said he likes that Bernier is willing to debate multiculturalism because his own party has been discussing whether multiculturalism is beneficial in the long term.

But their phone call, he said, focused primarily on immigration. Patron said they agreed that the Liberal government is not doing enough to curb the number of asylum seekers crossing the U.S. border into Canada. But Patron said he and Bernier disagreed on the number of newcomers to welcome to Canada, saying he would like number to be much lower than what Bernier proposed. Patron said Bernier asked for his support and he responded that he was looking forward to learning more about his party.

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/berniers-new-party-draws-first-pu...

 

jerrym

On Power and Politics, Jen Gerson said that Bernier took his party platform word-for-word from the Libertarian party platform. 

Here are some of the key ideas in his platform. 

He said he would like to have a wider debate about immigration and consider possible changes to the system, such as cutting the number of family reunifications in favour of increasing economic immigration. He also said he would like to lower the total number of immigrants that come to Canada every year. ...

But when asked during his press conference about potential supporters who want to limit immigration for xenophobic reasons, Bernier said "they have no place in our party." ...

"Extreme people who are against immigration, they're not welcome in this party. And it's clear. I will have the privilege to choose the candidates that will run for this party and we'll choose people who share the values of our party," he told host Vassy Kapelos. ...

A key plank of Bernier's platform is ending supply management in the agricultural sector. He argues that giving up supply management would "be good for Canadian consumers," who he said are paying too much now for dairy, poultry and eggs because of Canada's system of production control.

Bernier said he would put supply management on the table in the NAFTA negotiations in order to keep chapter 19 — the dispute resolution mechanism that allows companies to seek recourse for unfairly levied tariffs — and the cultural exemption. "What I'm reading right now there are only three files on the table: chapter 19, cultural exception and supply management. It's easy give (away) supply management and try to keep the two others." ...

As part of his announcement Friday, Bernier announced some the PPC's guiding principles, including:

  • Advocating for smaller government.
  • Respecting the taxpayers.
  • Upholding the Constitution.
  • Denouncing programs that prevent competitiveness.
  •  

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/bernier-peoples-party-canada-1.4823647

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture
alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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Henced he's taken a page from the Republican playbook and using not only as a slogan but Party name as ' The People's'

OK.  I guess I still just don't remember all the other Conservative parties that used/use "People's" in their name.  Unless you mean the DPRK?

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Where did I mention Harper or Scheer?

You still haven't mentioned anyone.  And it's not a hard question.

 

Again,I mentioned NOTHING about Scheer,Harper or the CPC. I mentioned Bernier and his new ' People's Party of Canada' which is classic doublespeak. The same kind of double speak the REPUBLICANS have been using for 40 years. Things like ' right to work' and ' just say no' 

​ ​Again,I explicitly referenced Bernier and the Republicans and how Bernier is branding his party as populist like the Republicans are doing right now while fucking over their populace and the only reason they keep their heads over water is racist,xenophoobic,anger and fear. Far rght ideology where most Trumpists will follow the Orange Hitler to the ends of the earth because of their unreasoonable hatred for Democrats above all Liberals. They'll sooner go down with the ship. The rest of his base are RUBES who buy into the Republicans faux populism by a constant barrage of lies and double speak. Bernier basically said ' fuck you' to 60% of Canadians by saying he dooesn't give a fuck if people don't like his policies and that ' I only need 40% of the vote'

I compared Bernier with the Republican party and Donald Trump. NOTHING aboout Scheer,NOTHING about Harper and NOTHING about the CPC.

You're purposely being an aggitator or you're blind or you're an asshole. 

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Again,I mentioned NOTHING about Scheer,Harper or the CPC. I mentioned Bernier and his new ' People's Party of Canada' which is classic doublespeak.

Didn't you also reference "Republicans"?

I'd accept an answer where you tell me about the time the Republicans put "People's" in their name.

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The same kind of double speak the REPUBLICANS have been using for 40 years. Things like ' right to work' and ' just say no'

And "People's".

As you're going to tell us, right?

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You're purposely being an aggitator or you're blind or you're an asshole.

I think you may have just invented the first "false TRIchotomy". 

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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Again,I mentioned NOTHING about Scheer,Harper or the CPC. I mentioned Bernier and his new ' People's Party of Canada' which is classic doublespeak.

Didn't you also reference "Republicans"?

I'd accept an answer where you tell me about the time the Republicans put "People's" in their name.

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The same kind of double speak the REPUBLICANS have been using for 40 years. Things like ' right to work' and ' just say no'

And "People's".

As you're going to tell us, right?

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You're purposely being an aggitator or you're blind or you're an asshole.

I think you may have just invented the first "false TRIchotomy". 

I never said anything of the kind. I said Bernier has taken a page out of the Republican playbook with his doublespeak. End point.

Thanks for answering my question. You're an asshole. We're done.

Misfit Misfit's picture

Ken Bursh wrote, "Also...would S.H.I.T. be in the Marvel universe, or DC? "

I would think so, some of his ideas are not from our dimension anyway.

voice of the damned

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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Again,I mentioned NOTHING about Scheer,Harper or the CPC. I mentioned Bernier and his new ' People's Party of Canada' which is classic doublespeak.

Didn't you also reference "Republicans"?

I'd accept an answer where you tell me about the time the Republicans put "People's" in their name.

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The same kind of double speak the REPUBLICANS have been using for 40 years. Things like ' right to work' and ' just say no'

And "People's".

As you're going to tell us, right?

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You're purposely being an aggitator or you're blind or you're an asshole.

I think you may have just invented the first "false TRIchotomy". 

Not quite. C.S. Lewis' Trilemma is regarded by many as a three-way false dilemma.

https://tinyurl.com/hrh3t8e

TL/DR: Purports to demonstrate that, in order to disbelieve in the divinity of Christ, you must either believe that he was a liar or a lunatic, and since no one wants to believe the latter two options...

 

josh

Of course it’s Libertarian.  That’s what Bernier is.  He would privatize everything and cut social programs to the bone, if not outright eliminate them.  He will try to use immigration and cultural issues as window dressing to lure people in who might otherwise not buy his Randian philosophy.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

Perhaps it's high time the right got cleaved into "I want small government" and "I want forced Xtian prayer in schools again".

voice of the damned

Mr. Magoo wrote:

Perhaps it's high time the right got cleaved into "I want small government" and "I want forced Xtian prayer in schools again".

Agreed, though you can expect the "small government" right to fight for parents' freedom to pull kids from the godless school system altogether, and give them home-school lessons about creation-science and Leviticus social theory.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

They'll surely pretend to fight for it, even though it's already parents' right.

voice of the damned

Mr. Magoo wrote:

They'll surely pretend to fight for it, even though it's already parents' right.

Well, I think in most provinces, home-schoolers are still required to teach the curriculum, aren't they, even if they add their own alternative theories for "balance"? A genuinely, mad-dog libertarian party would probably up the ante by saying they shouldn't even have to teach the curriculum. I think this is already being argued with regards to sex-ed in some places.

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Cody87

He's not going to court the right wing. He's going to court those who feel cheated by the established system.

Mark my words, he's going to hammer on every betrayal every party has perpetrated on their own supporters.

He's already started on the Conservatives, but you think he won't be able to turn some amount of NDP supporters against Singh? Some NDP supporters are already against Singh! As for the Liberals...hah...I'm sure I don't need to enlighten anyone here about liberal betrayals.

He won't even get a majority of those who are fed up with the system, but those are the people he's targetting and he'll get some amount from all parties.

Sean in Ottawa

Cody87 wrote:

He's not going to court the right wing. He's going to court those who feel cheated by the established system.

Mark my words, he's going to hammer on every betrayal every party has perpetrated on their own supporters.

He's already started on the Conservatives, but you think he won't be able to turn some amount of NDP supporters against Singh? Some NDP supporters are already against Singh! As for the Liberals...hah...I'm sure I don't need to enlighten anyone here about liberal betrayals.

He won't even get a majority of those who are fed up with the system, but those are the people he's targetting and he'll get some amount from all parties.

This is exactly the basis of the Trump Fraud in the US -- take people who have been hurt by right wing economics and tell them the solution is more extreme right wing economics.

The difference is that Trump's basis is also race-based fear.

Bernier is learning to incorporate that as an essential part of the deception. This is why this Libertarian is learning to advance immigration and dog whistle policies as in order to win you ahve to unite the racist hatred with the economic greed of the Libertarians to create a winnable monster. This is the key to get a democracy to vote to screw itself.

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