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Mulcair to meet 20 AFN chiefs Thursday

Brachina
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http://www.nationalpost.com/m/search/blog.html?b=news.nationalpost.com/2... Its metioned near the end of the article. Honestly I think the first nations will get more out the meeting with Mulcair then Harper. The only way I see Harper giving into the first nations call for a slice of the resource pie is if they surrender on enviromental standards in exchange. And Sadly I think many AFNs are poor and desperate enough to agree to that sort of deal.

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kropotkin1951
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I think this Nazional Post piece fundamentally misunderstands the driving impetus behind the INM movement and its relationship to the band council Chief''s organization.  Selling out the environment is not on their agenda and the Assembly Chief's are running fast trying to catch up to the parade but they are certainly not leading it and will not be able to co-opt it even if they tried.


Catchfire
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Paul Dewar actually said something I agree with the other day. He said, essentially, the meeting with Mulcair is unimportant. This is not about lobbying for political change. It is about a relationship between nations which needs to be resepcted and transparently negotiated.


Arthur Cramer
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Well Catchfire, I think you make a good point. But notwithstanding, it is a good first step if something meaningful is the outcome. Over at the Huff Post, you can see a picture of Trudeau on their Canada front page, but not a mention about Mulcair's upcoming meeting. Oh I forgot, the Libs are "Canada's Natural Governing Party". That's the only thing that matters, right?


Unionist
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The meeting was last night.

 


David Young
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Did a meeting like that happen?

There was no mention whatsoever that such a meeting was to take place by the media here in N.S.

The M.S.M. out here in Nova Scotia is so blatantly anti-NDP, it's a wonder we learn anything, unless you have internet access.

 

 


Boom Boom
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There was no meeting with Mulcair Thursday night - it was cancelled because the AFN had to deal with a crisis back at the Delta Hotel where they were staying - the crisis had to do with whether they should meet with Harper or not - many of the chiefs were taking their cue from Chief Theresa Spence who said "no GG - then no meeeting".  The CBC's Julie Van Dusen was camped outside Stornoway until late that evening giving updates every thirty minutes. We learned through another CBC correspondent that the Chiefs never went to Stornoway because of the crisis within AFN ranks.


Maysie
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The NDP's silence and lack of leadership regarding taking a position on Idle No More (like, say, openly and publicly supporting it) has not gone unnoticed.

Check out this mealy-mouthed pathetic statement (Released yesterday! Such visionaries!) which does not once mention the name Idle No More.


Slumberjack
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Maysie wrote:
The NDP's silence and lack of leadership...

Personally I don't believe the NDP has any business leading anything in relation to INM, but they could have at least accompanied it in some supportive way, in contrast to the shameful profile they've adopted, so as not to upset the demographic that likes to spread racist disinformation and commentary on the mainstream media's message boards across the country.


Unionist
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Check out this political party's website and the three lead stories for a better picture of what support means.

 


Maysie
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Well, I guess I imagined, in my more optimistic moments, what with being the Official Opposition and all, that they would say some damn thing, hold a press conference, something! I found that brief article by the critic of Aboriginal affairs on a tweet link on their page. Like, really?

Sorry, U, I can't read French!

I mean, even the Liberals got it together. Rae said some stuff, JT visited Chief Spence before Xmas. Even Joe Clark for fuck's sake.

Sometimes support is simply the right thing to do. Failing that confirms much of what I already believe about the federal NDP, and Mulcair.


Boom Boom
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To be fair, Paul Dewar and Charlie Angus have ben meeting with Chief Spence I think daily since she arrived on Victoria Island, and possible other NDP MPs have been there too - CBC reported Thursday that 20 MPs have been visiting her so far. But it does look odd with Mulcair - if he supports Sppence meeting with the PM, he ought to have set the example himself.


Ippurigakko
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I seen many natives (include me) on FB around says we wish Mulcair SHOULD pick MP who IS Aboriginal (Indigenous) like Romeo Saganash or Jonathan Genest-Jourdain on Aboriginal Affairs Minister! It is insult to Indigenous people! Becuz of John Duncan NOT knowledge about Aboriginal!


Boom Boom
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The best thing that Harper can do to improve relations with First Nations in the short term is to remove John Duncan from his position. Duncan is useless. However - he is a strong supporter of Harper ideology, which is why he will stay where he is.


quizzical
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Maysie wrote:
The NDP's silence and lack of leadership regarding taking a position on Idle No More (like, say, openly and publicly supporting it) has not gone unnoticed.

Check out this mealy-mouthed pathetic statement (Released yesterday! Such visionaries!) which does not once mention the name Idle No More.

unnoticed by who? you?  i feel the NDP has been there since the beginning and aren't jerky come latlies hoping to gain political points.

i think the statement is just gr8. political parties don't need to co-opt our movement. the statement was supportive on point and non-infringing on OUR movement.


Arthur Cramer
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I wish Mulcair had gone first. I have heard all the arguments pro and con, and I just wish he had gone when this strated. He is the Leader of the OO and government in waiting. Its embrassing, and harmful to the Social Democratic movement. People have long memories. I am willing to listen to anyone who wants to counter this. But, right now, its how I feel.


quizzical
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embarrassed? why?

i don't know if there's political agendas at play here with some posters.  or not. but some of the posts are pretty self-absorbed if not.

do ya really think this is 'bout how settlers feel about the NDP?


Arthur Cramer
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Quizzical, my question is how will this play out politically? We know the Libs will try to exploit it and say we are there for you and the NDP wasn't. Like it or not, framing matters. What do you think, that is all I am asking. So?


addictedtomyipod
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Mulcair opened his home to FN Chiefs.  There was no agenda, he was going to be there right from the beginning to the end, no passing the buck to anyone else.  He was ready to listen and engage in dialogue.  The fact that it fell apart was unfortunate.  I hope he tries again soon.

DeWar said that Chief Spence acknowldeged Mulcair's letter to Harper (Dec 18).  She is not calling on meeting him or anyone but Harper and the GG together.

I hear Romeo is back on Monday.


janfromthebruce
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And I think it is cheap politics to take voice of a movement for political optics. I like that Charlie Angus who always was at the forefront of supporting Chief Spence and the movement. It was legitimate and from the "beginning".


Boom Boom
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Mulcair called for Spence to end her hunger strike today on CTV's QP. he also said he's been in constant touch with Atleo, whom he calls an extraordinary leader.


onlinediscountanvils
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Boom Boom wrote:
Mulcair called for Spence to end her hunger strike today on CTV's QP.

Who the fuck is Mulcair to call for Spence to do anything?


Ippurigakko
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I agree with onlinediscountanvil, what the hell wrong with mulcair?! did he listen to chief coon come? Geez!

Idle No More not happy about Atleo becuz he is Harper's lapdog........ they want abolish Indian Act "Band Council".


Boom Boom
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Question Period on CTV NewsNet / News Channel today has a full hour devoted to First Nation issues related to Friday's meeting. Tom Mulcair (NDP) is interviewed for his opinion - as is Pam Palmater. Also on QP today, one of the founders of Idle No More says INM does NOT at this time support blockades as a form of protest - INM is meant to be a peaceful movement. QP is repeated on CTV at 5pm eastern. AFN could not make anyone available for today's show.


Boom Boom
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Also on that QP today - they talk about the 175 straight lawsuits that FN have won, including 5 in the 32 days Chief Spence has been on her hunger strike. They talk about what this means for resource development - huge implications here.


Arthur Cramer
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So, then what is up with Mulcair? I dont'really understand at all what is going on here.


Maysie
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onlinediscountanvils wrote:

Boom Boom wrote:
Mulcair called for Spence to end her hunger strike today on CTV's QP.

Who the fuck is Mulcair to call for Spence to do anything?

Indeed.

The link to the paternalistic piece of shit's statement is here.


Boom Boom
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Why can't Mulcair, who leads the party most supportive of First Nations - think Charlie Angus - join with First Nation leaders in calling for Chief Spence to end her fast?


Unionist
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Are we going to discuss this same stuff in three different threads?

Boom Boom, he can tell Spence in private what he thinks she should do - and she can tell him what she thinks of his advice. When he says it in public, however, he becomes a paternalistic piece of shit, interfering in a struggle where he has no business taking sides and giving "advice" - and undermining Spence's own actions.

 


jjuares
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The right wing  attack machine have done a real number on Spence and she has now become part of the issue unfortunately.


Arthur Cramer
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jjuares wrote:

The right wing  attack machine have done a real number on Spence and she has now become part of the issue unfortunately.



Great point! That is very true.


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