NDP and Haiti

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Merowe

ARE there any public institutions there to be privatized? I take the fact that Preval is currently out of the country as indication of just how dysfunctional/nonexistent the government there is.

I wonder that, after so many serious hurricanes in the last few years there seems not to be any sort of emergency response system in place. Wouldn't this be a fairly high priority for any government, after the first such disaster? So either the government is incompetent, corrupt or underfunded, or a combination of all three. What is the presence of so many NGOs but an indication of how little actual government there is?

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Michelle wrote:
.  I don't know about you, remind, but I can walk and chew gum at the same time.

Great....red herrings and thought terminating cliches at the same time....tinged with a hint of personal attack on top.

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Anyhow, it's easy to demand that a rush be put on flying their orphans here to be given to Canadian families.  Maybe not quite so easy to look at the root causes of why there are so many orphans to begin with.

Meanwhile, other countries have already went ahead and rescued the children who were orphaned in the hurricane and for other reasons, who were in the process of being adopted.

But yet,  not Canada....

 

Glad to see you edited your post BTW in respect to the derision you first had about the Haitian orphans and those who are trying to adopt them.

 

 

N.Beltov N.Beltov's picture

Yves Engler, who has written for/was published by rabble, wrote his first book about Haiti. That first book inspired him to write his second book, The Black Book of Canadian Foreign Policy. The latter is a litany of Canadian atrocities around the world. It could well cause liberal heads to explode.

Engler became famous for "Pettigrew lies, Haitians die." He should be solicited to write for rabble. Hell, rabble should pay him to go to Haiti, if that is what he wants.

References:

1. Canada in Haiti: Waging War on the Poor Majority with Anthony Fenton.

2. The Black Book of Canadian Foreign Policy.

Fill your boots, eh.

Fidel

Stockholm wrote:

I agree with calling for debt forgiveness.

Then you must disagree with the basic tenets of an economic ideology that has kept Haiti mired in debt over long periods of time as a tool for providing foreign corporations, banks and capitalists access to Haiti's sovereign natural resource wealth. Neoliberalism equates to neocolonialism for too many poor countries subsisting under the thumb of thirdworld capitalism.

Unionist

Holy crap, adopting Haitian orphans... what next? Farming aboriginal kids out for adoption? Pardon me while I reach for my Gravol.

 

Fidel

Unionist wrote:

Holy crap, adopting Haitian orphans... what next? Farming aboriginal kids out for adoption? Pardon me while I reach for my Gravol.

Yanquis only want kids like Elian Gonzalez. Somebody has to accept the orphans of a failed political and economic ideology in the Carribe.

A_J

Fidel wrote:
Stockholm wrote:
I agree with calling for debt forgiveness.

Then you must disagree with the basic tenets of an economic ideology that has kept Haiti mired in debt over long periods of time as a tool for providing foreign corporations, banks and capitalists access to Haiti's sovereign natural resource wealth. Neoliberalism equates to neocolonialism for too many poor countries subsisting under the thumb of thirdworld capitalism.

I suppose better late than never, but the IMF and World Bank forgave Haiti's debt last year.

Apparently the only hold-outs who have yet to forgive debts owed to them by Haiti are Taiwan (who claims to be working on it) and Venezuela.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

A_J wrote:

Fidel wrote:
Stockholm wrote:
I agree with calling for debt forgiveness.

Then you must disagree with the basic tenets of an economic ideology that has kept Haiti mired in debt over long periods of time as a tool for providing foreign corporations, banks and capitalists access to Haiti's sovereign natural resource wealth. Neoliberalism equates to neocolonialism for too many poor countries subsisting under the thumb of thirdworld capitalism.

I suppose better late than never, but the IMF and World Bank forgave Haiti's debt last year.

Apparently the only hold-outs who have yet to forgive debts owed to them by Haiti are Taiwan (who claims to be working on it) and Venezuela.

cite please

 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

From Wikki

Haiti's largest creditor, the Inter-American Development Bank (IDB), is not part of the debt relief initiative. Haiti's debt to the IDB amounts to approximately half a billion dollars with debt service payments projected by the IMF to increase in the following years.


The Inter-American Development Bank is an international organization established and headquartered in Washington, D.C.United States, in 1959 to support Latin American and Caribbean economic and social development and regional integration by lending mainly to governments and government agencies, including State corporations. 

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The IDB expects to approve $128 million in new grants to Haiti this year. The proposal to the Board of Governors, where all 48 IDB member countries are represented, would request more resources for the Grant Fund that finances these operations.

Additionally, the Board of Governors could consider the possibility of providing further debt relief to Haiti, on top of the $511 million in debt cancellation announced last year. Currently the pending debt stands at $441 million in USD and $6 million in local currency in loans that are financing investments in key sectors including roads, water and sanitation, electricity and agriculture.

Most of that debt consists of 40-year soft loans approved between 2004 and 2007, and therefore are still under a 10-year grace period on principal repayments. Interest payments are being covered with resources from a trust fund backed by donor countries. Since 2007 the IDB provides only grants to Haiti.

Last week, immediately after the earthquake, the IDB offered the Haitian government to redirect resources from existing operations to emergency tasks and reconstruction efforts. The IDB portfolio currently holds US$330 million, of which some US$90 million could be quickly assigned to priority projects.

 

http://www.iadb.org/news-releases/2010-01/english/idb-president-visits-h...

 

Oh those evil people who are not forgiving debt.  Funny how the media vilifies some and ignores the largest debt and doesn't scream for its forgiveness.  How about the IMF why is it not being vivified for not giving money instead of lending more.  What a Brave World we live in.

Fidel

A_J wrote:

Fidel wrote:
Stockholm wrote:
I agree with calling for debt forgiveness.

Then you must disagree with the basic tenets of an economic ideology that has kept Haiti mired in debt over long periods of time as a tool for providing foreign corporations, banks and capitalists access to Haiti's sovereign natural resource wealth. Neoliberalism equates to neocolonialism for too many poor countries subsisting under the thumb of thirdworld capitalism.

I suppose better late than never, but the IMF and World Bank forgave Haiti's debt last year.

Apparently the only hold-outs who have yet to forgive debts owed to them by Haiti are Taiwan (who claims to be working on it) and Venezuela.

In 2006, the IMF and Paris Club of creditors agreed to include Haiti in the list of HIPCs targeted for debt forgiveness by an amount of $1.2 billion. By 2009, Haiti's debt grew to $1.884 billion. [url=http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17042]Eric Toussaint and Sophie Perchellet[/url] wrote:

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All current financial aid announced following the earthquake is already lost to the debt repayment! 


According to the latest estimates, over 80% of Haiti’s foreign debt is with the World Bank and the Inter-American Development Bank (IBD) with up to 40% each. Under their leadership, the government applied “structural adjustment plans”, now disguised as “Poverty Reduction Strategy Papers” (PRSP). In exchange for contracting more loans, Haiti has been given some insignificant amount of debt relief or cancellations, which cast the creditors in a positive light. The Highly Indebted Poor Countries initiative (HIPC), for which Haiti was accepted, is a typical odious-debt laundering manoeuvre, as was the case with the Democratic Republic of Congo[7].  Odious debt is replaced by new so-called legitimate loans. CADTM views these new loans as a key part of odious debt as they are used to pay off the old debt. The offence continues to be committed.

HIPC is "a debt laundering manouver"

Ghislaine

Unionist wrote:

Holy crap, adopting Haitian orphans... what next? Farming aboriginal kids out for adoption? Pardon me while I reach for my Gravol.

 

Not a good analogy. FN children were taken without proof of abuse (just a Western colonialist conception of what a childhood should look like). They were not orphans and had living, breathing parents who wanted to care for them and in the majority of situations were able to provide that care. Racism/classism/etc. got in the way. 

In Haiti, there is a situation with a large number of orphans with no one to care for them. The survivors can barely take care of themselves and their own families due to the situation with basic needs, supplies, aid, etc. 

Who would you have care for these children? How many people in Haiti are in a position to adopt right now? 

Unionist

Ghislaine wrote:

Who would you have care for these children?

Gee, Ghi, I didn't realize it was my decision. Thanks for the nomination, though.

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How many people in Haiti are in a position to adopt right now? 

How many people are in a position to look after their own kids in the fashion which "we" could afford? Not many, I bet. Let's do the right thing. Give up on that failed experiment and bring 'em up right! Hell, they could even grow up to be Governor-General and wear fatigues!!

In case it's not evident, the subtle innuendo you detected above is utter contempt.

 

Stockholm

Maybe its "patronizing" for us to offer any assistance at all to Haiti at a time like this. maybe the world shoudl just turn its back. We have done enough harm to Haiti by interfering - so the best thing is to do NOTHING, offer no assistance, no money, no rescue workers, no medicine NOTHING. Any aid we offer Haiti is really just a form of colonization. It will only hurt the pride and independence of the haitian people if we try to help. We need to stand aside and let them empower themselves with no outside assistance of any kind!

Fidel

They need the aid money to pay interest on odious debt. It's a capitalist hellhole afterall.

The Swiss should give them back the $900 million the Duvaliers absconded with and stashed in Swiss bank accounts. And Canada gave sanctuary to those rotten bastards when they fled the country.

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Cry

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The attention to adopted children is disturbing...very disturbing, speaking as one.

Ghislaine

Unionist wrote:

Ghislaine wrote:

Who would you have care for these children?

Gee, Ghi, I didn't realize it was my decision. Thanks for the nomination, though.

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How many people in Haiti are in a position to adopt right now? 

How many people are in a position to look after their own kids in the fashion which "we" could afford? Not many, I bet. Let's do the right thing. Give up on that failed experiment and bring 'em up right! Hell, they could even grow up to be Governor-General and wear fatigues!!

In case it's not evident, the subtle innuendo you detected above is utter contempt.

 

I was just asking what your alternative was? We are not talking about taking kids away from parents of another race or culture who can't look after them in the way "we" deem acceptable. We are talking about orphans who have no parents or relatives, ie NO ONE to look after them in a country with destroyed orphanages and 200,000+ dead. Your analogy to the genocide perpetrated through child "welfare" systems on FN children in Canada is totally false. They had parents, kinship networks, etc., etc. Now if this type of thing turns into taking children away when there ARE parents and relatives, I agree completely.

If helping children orphaned by the Earthquake in Haiti get adopted to other countries is not an acceptable idea, I am wondering what is?

Unionist

Should we send our Canadian orphans to Haiti, Ghislaine? Oh, that's different, isn't it? Because we care more about kids than Haitians do. Because we're wealthier. Because we are much more frugal in the number of babies we produce than those people. Because we're not the slightest bit complicit in the destruction and colonization of Haiti. Because instead of fighting for Haiti's independence and self-sufficiency, we should keep filling ships with police and soldiers, and put children on board for the return trip.

Michelle

Thanks, Unionist.  No kidding.

And remind, [intemperate remark removed - 11 days, 11 days Michelle...] since your smear stands for everyone to read, I'll explain.  I slightly changed the wording of my post because I thought I worded it better the this way, but I didn't change the meaning of my post one bit.  Focusing primarily on flying Haitian children out of the country to be adopted by privileged Canadian families could be considered opportunistic and problematic.  Is it wrong?  I don't know - there are lots of points of view about transnational, interracial adoptions, and there is a lot of antiracist analysis and criticism around it.

Ghislaine

Unionist wrote:
Should we send our Canadian orphans to Haiti, Ghislaine? Oh, that's different, isn't it? Because we care more about kids than Haitians do. Because we're wealthier. Because we are much more frugal in the number of babies we produce than those people.

 

Why do you keep misreading what I wrote? It is not that we care about our kids more. The difference is tha Haiti just sufferred a horrible 7.5 Earthquake with 200,000+ dead and completely destroyed infrastructure. There are many, many orphans there with no one to care for them. It is not that Canadians care more, it is that the people close to the kids or able to care for them have DIED. It has nothing to do with their birthrates. I am talking of orphans who have no one.  

 

Unionist wrote:
Because we're not the slightest bit complicit in the destruction and colonization of Haiti. Because instead of fighting for Haiti's independence and self-sufficiency, we should keep filling ships with police and soldiers, and put children on board for the return trip.

 

I agree completely that Canada (and other Western countries) have played a very negative role in Haiti in terms of assisting the removal of Aristide, the debt situation, our profiting from disgusting sweatshops, etc. ,etc. As my posts show upthread I disgree strongly with those people that don't think the NDP should be talking about these issues RIGHT NOW.

They should be talking about them loudly, especially when everyone is gathered in Montreal next week to discuss reconstruction. (What is the priority to be reconstructed?).

But what also needs to happen right now is care for the many orphans whose families are dead. What is your alternative solution. It is not just Canada where they will be adopted either by the way.  

 

Unionist

Our ships can also make quick stops in Iraq to pick up orphans and deliver them to loving childless U.S. familes. Then off to Afghanistan for a boatload of girls destined for the finest Canadian schools. The possibilities for helping the less fortunate are virtually limitless.

And Michelle, it's not just about inter-racial adoption. It's about colonial privilege, regardless of colour.

Michelle

No, that's why I included "international" not just "interracial".  I mean, seriously, how convenient is that, huh?  Their poverty creates orphans, and we rich countries want babies!  Everyone wins!  Well, everyone who counts in a colonialist, imperialist global system, anyhow.

Cancel their debt, give them reparation money (not "aid" - we're not helping them, we OWE them) to rebuild as they see fit (which can include our help, but only on their terms), and quit interfering in their politics and overthrowing their democratic leaders.  That should be the long-term plan, but it should also be stuff that is said NOW, before the usual happens there.

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Fidel wrote:

They need the aid money to pay interest on odious debt. It's a capitalist hellhole afterall.

The Swiss should give them back the $900 million the Duvaliers absconded with and stashed in Swiss bank accounts. And Canada gave sanctuary to those rotten bastards when they fled the country.

 

That would be a good "down payment" on the 200 years of debt slavery that's been imposed on the Haitian people.

Michelle

Of course, I do realize that currently, right this second, there is a humanitarian crisis, and the question of what to do with orphans who have been created by it is something that has to be figured out right now.  And obviously the adoptions that were already underway are going to go ahead whether it's racist, colonialist, or not, so I guess they might as well be speeded up.  But to focus on this as if it's the most pressing issue, making sure Canadians get their babies quick?  It bugs me.  I'd rather see us focusing on getting reparation money there right now, and helping people on the ground (with money and whatever personnel they ask for) to rebuild their lives and decide for themselves what they want to do with their orphans and their infrastructure and their leaders.

Sean in Ottawa

The business about adopting babies is a hardly where this should be focused.

There are so many people homeless that a large scale evacuation should be made and we can bring a significant number of people hereat least for now-- including adults. No doubt the Haitian community here and those brought here to evacuate unliveable conditions will likely be able to take care of any babies that need care. There should be no question of handing over haitian babies to non haitians as I see no indication that with the means provided they would not be able to care for them themselves. This is a question of adequate aid-- you don't go in and snatch babies- if the aid is properly directed there would be no question of that.

Michelle

To be fair, I don't think anyone's promoting "snatching babies" - the NDP is calling for adoptions currently under way to be speeded up through immigration and such. 

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*gag*

Slumberjack

Having read parts of this thread both before and after breakfast, deciding which way is easier on the stomach is somewhat of a toss up at this point, where the choice is further complicated with a measure of bewilderment in coming to terms with the enthusiasm that must be applied in achieving the credentials of a particular variety of armchair leftist. One where maintaining utter obliviousness of the dire and immediate realities which resist all attempts of being wished away from afar, while remaining untroubled with even momentary interference with ones principles, becomes the key to fulfillment.

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Fidel Castro on Haiti

<quote> "The tragedy has genuinely moved a significant number of people, particularly those in which that quality is innate. But perhaps very few of them have stopped to consider why Haiti is such a poor country. Why does almost 50% of its population depend on family remittances sent from abroad? Why not analyze the realities that led Haiti to its current situation and this enormous suffering as well?

The most curious aspect of this story is that no one has said a single word to recall the fact that Haiti was the first country in which 400,000 Africans, enslaved and trafficked by Europeans, rose up against 30,000 white slave masters on the sugar and coffee plantations, thus undertaking the first great social revolution in our hemisphere. Pages of insurmountable glory were written there. Napoleon’s most eminent general was defeated there. Haiti is the net product of colonialism and imperialism, of more than one century of the employment of its human resources in the toughest forms of work, of military interventions and the extraction of its natural resources.

This historic oversight would not be so serious if it were not for the real fact that Haiti constitutes the disgrace of our era, in a world where the exploitation and pillage of the vast majority of the planet’s inhabitants prevails.

Billions of people in Latin American, Africa and Asia are suffering similar shortages although perhaps not to such a degree as in the case of Haiti.

Situations like that of that country should not exist in any part of the planet, where tens of thousands of cities and towns abound in similar or worse conditions, by virtue of an unjust international economic and political order imposed on the world. The world population is not only threatened by natural disasters such as that of Haiti, which is a just a pallid shadow of what could take place in the planet as a result of climate change, which really was the object of ridicule, derision, and deception in Copenhagen".</quote>

The rest: 

http://www.granma.cu/ingles/2010/enero/vier15/Reflections-14enero.html

At least one world leader is saying what needs to be said.

Merowe

Orphans. Total red herring. Since there is so much structural poverty there, hire locals to build and staff new orphanages. Fund them with money currently consumed by the escalating military occupation, for example the $12,000/hour it costs to operate our super-amazing C-17s. 

But seriously, what a ghoulish subject. Let it go, already.

Unionist

Agreed, Merowe. Only I would add: ask the Haitian people what they think should be done. Remember them? The White Man's Burden is a weighty one indeed.

antsunited

  

I too have thought all the money involved in raising one adopted child here in Canada could probably resource an exponential amount of orphanages or families or better yet local political movements calling for a just response from local governments that address the long term need for sustainable lives for all citizens orphans or otherwise.

To the question of the NDP's response to the current situation I think it's valuable to watch some of the unprecedented discussion in the mainstream around the cause of the impoverishment of the Haitian people, the militarization of relief efforts, and the opportunistic advances of donor and lender institutions currently under way. Without criticizing the NDP for their weakness on this issue in the past (which I don't think gets us anywhere) I think we should be watching, and in whatever capacity we can, pushing the party to join the chorus of progressives that have identified this historical moment as one that can help define the difference between solidarity and exploitation. Exploitation that so cynically, and in this case blatantly, poses as aid.

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Here's a new blog post on Haiti. Can't emphasize enough: people should join or support the Canada Haiti Action Network (CHAN). It's a tremendous grassroots network that has been working with miniscule resources/media attention for years.

Polunatic2

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I think we should be watching, and in whatever capacity we can, pushing the party to join the chorus of progressives that have identified this historical moment as one that can help define the difference between solidarity and exploitation.
One big issue, and I'm not sure how it impacts on Haiti, is tying Canadian foreign aid to "buy Canadian" policies whereby countries receiving aid must agree to shop at Yorkdale (figuratively). 

Fidel

What Haiti really needs is socialism. The NDP can not donate socialism to Haiti. Haitians will have to liberate themselves from the banking cabal and US and other neocolonizers.

In fact, we have to focus on democratizing our own Northern Puerto Rico if we're going to be able to help ourselves and neoliberalized countries like Haiti, "the freest trading nation in the Carribe" according to Washington, and which will be no small task for New Democrats considering how our own stooges in Ottawa are throwing us even deeper down a debt hole with no plan to climb out of debt owed to banksters and foreign bondholders.

Similar to the neoliberal setup in Haiti, marauding international capital will just have to continue stripping Canada of its natural wealth and assets as per the prescribed neoliberalorama for our increasingly indebted Northern Panama.

Fidel

Unionist wrote:
Agreed, Merowe. Only I would add: ask the Haitian people what they think should be done.

Well we can't run guns to the island, because the Yanquis have the "freest trading nation in the Carribe" sealed off from the world except for its own military flights and naval blockade. What's really needed are world-wide trade sanctions of Haiti's brutal colonizers and largest recipient nation of cheap Canadian fossil fuels and raw materials. We can help Haitians some day by democratizing our own Northern Puerto Rico and demonstrating as Cubans have that it is possible to exist outside the sphere of influence of the liberal-fascist USSA.

 

NDPP

Don't know where to put this so why not here since the NDP still advertises itself as 'the best' Canadian solution to foreign policy problems? Why not ask your local candidate what they're doing to help Haiti?

Haitian Campesino Leaders Join Demand For President's Removal

https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Haitian-Campesino-Leaders-Request-Pr...

"Haitian 4G Meeting (Kontre) platform which brings together various Haitian Campesino leaders and organizations issued a statement Saturday on the Bolivarian Alliance For the Peoples of Our Americas' website, to denounce the 'unacceptable disaster' faced by the country and to join the calls coming from the streets, that urge the immediate resignation of the [Canada and] United-States backed President Jovenal Moise.

'If Jovenal Moise does not make the decision to leave power quickly, then people will see how to get rid of him. There is no possibility of dialogue with a criminal and completely irresponsible president, the letter said.."

 

The Canada-Haiti Information Project

https://canada-haiti.ca

Updates

NDPP

'No More Puppets!'

https://twitter.com/madanboukman/status/1179563094479183872

"The Core Group (US, Canada, France, Brazil, Spain, Germany, EU, UN & OAS) was in Haiti again today. They met with smaller parties, spawn of their puppet parties kept in reserve to suppress the popular social democratic Fahni Lavalas party. Haiti is in a shithole situation."

 

WATCH: "Work stoppage and protesting at a sweatshop factory in Haiti for back salary from contractor for Canada's Gildan Activewear. The sweatshop is owned by coup-plotter and death squad financier Andy Apaid. They don't even want to pay 4 dollars a day."

https://twitter.com/madanboukman/status/1179540495611174913

Another one for the 'Nice Canada' file.

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