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http://www.ndp.ca/press/staffing-cuts-to-national-defence-wrong-headed

 

Staffing cuts to National Defence wrong-headed

Cuts will hurt local economies, layoff core staff and make soldiers pick up the slack

Among the 19,000 public servants that will be given pink slips this week, about 1,100 will be key staff at the Department of National Defence, the NDP has learned. Cuts will be made across the country, but the worst cuts will be felt in the province of Quebec, with 361 jobs being lost, and particularly on bases like Valcartier and St-Jean.

Core staff include civilian personnel from all areas - from electricians, to communications staff, to technicians. These functions will now have to be performed by fewer staff, which will shift the burden to soldiers on base.

"The reality of these cuts means that soldiers will have to take on the jobs currently done by civilian personnel, forcing them to refocus their priorities and burdening them with extra work," said David Christopherson, NDP Critic for National Defence. "This will have a serious impact to operations on-base, in Quebec and for Defence overall."

Today's announcement is only the first wave of cuts at DND, creating a staffing void that will have a generational effect. Cutting core staff will have dramatic effects on the backbone of operations for the department, and will linger for years to come.

The NDP is calling on the Conservatives to be fully transparent about the impact of the budget on DND, to be upfront about all of the staffing cuts to give personnel the exact details of how they are slashing jobs.

 

 

Nice to see no change with the new Pro-war leader at the helm of the pro-military NDP.

The Department of Defence should have been eliminated in the last budget but the NDP does not want peace when it can wage war and gain votes for the 2015 election.


Fidel
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Yeah let's layoff even more workers. Besides, there are plenty of jobs to go around in this neoliberal setup here in the northern colony.


Boom Boom
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Yeah, that's a sure way to get elected - advocate eliminating the DND.

What I would like the NDP to advocate is dropping the F35 entirely and instead engage in strictly national defense, and search and rescue.

No overseas adventures unless we're invited in for rebuilding in times of natural emergencies. DND could also be used for their engineering expertise in building infrastructure in the north when requested.


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Boom Boom, as a retired military man, I think you nailed it on the comment you made just above. I really think we need to enhance our Search-and-Rescue capability, and our ability to assert Artic soverignty. I have a bumper sticker that reads "Support the Troops, send them home". It looks like a Canadian Flag. If you want one, let me know via PM and I"ll send you one.


Fidel
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Nor worry, Pete MacKay will rescue them in his taxpayer-funded rescue and fishing and leisure helicopter. I'll bet he'd consider leasing it back to taxpayers at a good rate.


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Okay, will do tonight. Thanks, Arthur. (my dad served in England during WWII)


Boom Boom
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With climate change, the Northwest Passage is apparently wide open now. That poses, I suppose, some kind of challenge.


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It is okay you guys, keep buying into the pro-military/war party. No change required.

  


Fidel
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Todrick of Chatsworth wrote:

It is okay you guys, keep buying into the pro-military/war party. No change required.

 

They are people with families.

And it's not their fault that they take orders from corrupt stooges in Ottawa who, in turn, accept Canada's marching orders from Warshington without question. 

It's not the workers' fault in Canada that we basically have no federal government other than the current cult of impotence occupying the halls of powerlessness in Ottawa.

Let's place blame where it lies: with the Reform Party retreads pretending to run the country and their predecessors.


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Fidel wrote:

Todrick of Chatsworth wrote:

It is okay you guys, keep buying into the pro-military/war party. No change required.

 

They are people with families.

And it's not their fault that they take orders from corrupt stooges in Ottawa who, in turn, accept Canada's marching orders from Warshington without question. 

Tell the families of 1000s of dead Serbs, Libyans, Iraqis and Afghans killed by the members of National Defence and their support staff that they were only following orders from Ottawa and Washington.

I am sure they feel better because of Canadian Government Employee had a well paying job.


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I have several friends in the military who never killed anyone. It is possible to work for the military and not drop bombs on or shoot people to death.

And so what else of Stephen Harper's agenda for attacking workers in Canada are you agreeable with? 

 


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Fidel wrote:

I have several friends in the military who never killed anyone. It is possible to work for the military and not drop bombs on or shoot people to death.

 

That is fucking horseshit and you know it. It does not matter what job you do in the military, you are guilty of murder and war crimes. All those support staff and jobs are used to sustain the people at the frontlines killing people in the name big business and pro-military parties like the NDP.


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Todrick of Chatsworth wrote:

Fidel wrote:

I have several friends in the military who never killed anyone. It is possible to work for the military and not drop bombs on or shoot people to death.

 

That is fucking horseshit and you know it. It does not matter what job you do in the military, you are guilty of murder and war crimes. All those support staff and jobs are used to sustain the people at the frontlines killing people in the name big business and pro-military parties like the NDP.

 

What did you think to Hitler and his top Nazis waging humanitarian warfare in Yugoslavia and orchestrating the Holocaust? Should Nuremberg lawyers have ignored the architects of war crimes and, instead, prosecuted low-ranking officers and desk jockeys? What about all those thousands of high-ranking SS officers who slid into Canada and the U.S. unchecked after the war?

At what point will you decide to slide some blame herr Harper's way? What about the Shawinigan Strangler who put Canadian troops in Afghanistan in the first place and handed Omar Khadr to the Yanks to be tortured and basic human rights violated?

What about Paulie Pockets Martin who lied to the NDP and Canada's Parliament concerning what new role the troops would serve Uncle Sam in Kandahar by 2005?


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Fidel wrote:

Todrick of Chatsworth wrote:

Fidel wrote:

I have several friends in the military who never killed anyone. It is possible to work for the military and not drop bombs on or shoot people to death.

That is fucking horseshit and you know it. It does not matter what job you do in the military, you are guilty of murder and war crimes. All those support staff and jobs are used to sustain the people at the frontlines killing people in the name big business and pro-military parties like the NDP.

 

What did you think to Hitler and his top Nazis waging humanitarian warfare in Yugoslavia and orchestrating the Holocaust? Should Nuremberg lawyers have ignored the architects of war crimes and, instead, prosecuted low-ranking officers and desk jockeys? What about all those thousands of high-ranking SS officers who slid into Canada and the U.S. unchecked after the war?

At what point will you decide to slide some blame herr Harper's way? What about the Shawinigan Strangler who put Canadian troops in Afghanistan in the first place and handed Omar Khadr to the Yanks to be tortured and basic human rights violated?

What about Paulie Pockets Martin who lied to the NDP and Canada's Parliament concerning what new role the troops would serve Uncle Sam in Kandahar by 2005?

 

Yes, they should have prosecuted low-ranking officers and desk jockeys of the Nazi military machine. I hope one day Canadian military members and politicians (including the NDP) are prosecuted for their crimes over the last two decades.

I blame Harper and his war criminals on other forums, since Rabble is a NDP website I will talk about the NDP and its lack of action and moral high ground.

The NDP lied to the Canadian Public about its intent for the military for years.


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They are laying off 1100 civilian employees of the defence dept, 50 of them in research positions in Nova Scotia. Another several hundred in Quebec - both NDP friendly provinces. Vindictive Tories are punishing those provinces for daring to vote NDP.

And herr Harper has pledged to maintain regular army and fighting force numbers in service for Uncle Sam's agenda on the ready-aye-ready!

Happy?


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Boom Boom wrote:

With climate change, the Northwest Passage is apparently wide open now. That poses, I suppose, some kind of challenge.

Not now, but during late summer.


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Todrick of Chatsworth wrote:

Fidel wrote:

I have several friends in the military who never killed anyone. It is possible to work for the military and not drop bombs on or shoot people to death.

 

That is fucking horseshit and you know it. It does not matter what job you do in the military, you are guilty of murder and war crimes. All those support staff and jobs are used to sustain the people at the frontlines killing people in the name big business and pro-military parties like the NDP.

So how about those in search and rescue? Aside from the crews, there are those in positions supporting SAR.


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Fidel, nice numbers games you are playing. Why not mention there are large numbers of cuts happening in Ontario and Alberta, are these not Conservative friendly areas?

http://www.calgaryherald.com/business/poised+over+civilian+jobs/6408887/story.html

Quebec is losing 361 jobs, while Ontario will see 340 eliminated.

In the Maritimes, Halifax will lose 61 jobs while 115 will be eliminated in New Brunswick, most at CFB Gagetown.

In Western Canada, forty-one jobs will be lost in British Columbia while 191 positions will be eliminated in Alberta. Most of those are in Edmonton, CFB Wainwright and CFB Suffield.

The cuts are occurring equally across on provinces and by my speculation are affecting more Conservative ridings than NDP or Liberal ridings.  


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Check out the topographical needs of military bases. Downtown doesn't do.

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Policywonk wrote:

So how about those in search and rescue? Aside from the crews, there are those in positions supporting SAR.

Those SAR positions are used for training opportunities and to give frontline soldiers breaks from frontline duties.

It is all about training, command and control. SAR is used to develop soldiers for active combat.

You really don't think that all those staffs used to support SAR missions have 25 year careers at search and rescue centres?


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The cuts are occurring equally across on provinces and by my speculation are affecting more Conservative ridings than NDP or Liberal ridings.  
 

So now it's not about high-ranking war criminals - it's about Harper being fair about job cuts for everyone but the trained killers and foot soldiers in the service of empire eh, slippery?

Give my regards to your friend Steve Harper.


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Fidel wrote:

So now it's not about high-ranking war criminals - it's about Harper being fair about job cuts for everyone but the trained killers and foot soldiers in the service of empire eh, slippery?

Give my regards to your friend Steve Harper.

 

They did not cut enough I think, more deeper cuts should have occurred.

However I might disagree about having a military, the current job cuts were fair across the board with no single region being singled out due to their political affiliation.

 

 


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Todrick of Chatsworth wrote:
It does not matter what job you do in the military, you are guilty of murder and war crimes.

There would have been no Red Army were it not for the Czarist Russian Army.  They didn't all materialize out of nowhere.  Who pays these criminals twice a month by the way?  And did you cheat on your taxes this year, or dutifully report everything on the official forms as required?


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Toddy of Chatsworth House wrote:
They did not cut enough I think, more deeper cuts should have occurred.

Never mind heaping unsolicited praise on top-ranking Harper war criminals directly responsible. Let's get back to criticizing them who have yet to govern federally, shall we?


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So SJ, you support the army as long as it is your army? I also beleive the Red Army has raped its way across Germany in 44 and 45. Those also committed war crimes in Afghanistan in the 70s and 80s.

 

What did you do on your taxes? I filled mine out legally and reported everything I earned.  I reluctantly pay my taxes hoping that money goes to healthcare, and other programs.


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Todrick of Chatsworth wrote:
So SJ, you support the army as long as it is your army? I also beleive the Red Army has raped its way across Germany in 44 and 45.

Straw man!

Todrick of Chatsworth wrote:
Those also committed war crimes in Afghanistan in the 70s and 80s.

And don't forget the many violent misogynists and right wing extremists which US taxpayers, Saudis and Pakistan's army intelligence aided and abetted with billions of dollars in aid money and weaponry, too. Or was theocratic feudalism a turn-on back then?


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Okay Fidel, the NDP is the great political entity ever. They have never made a mistake ever, they are like gods and should have all our praise and devotion.

In fact, right now I am going to sacrifice a small lamb in Jack Layton's memory and pray that he guides me over this weekend.

Fidel, you would make a good fascist soldier, never questioning, undying loyalty to the cause, full of praise to the leaders and the party.

Not that I am calling you a fascist soldier, you just have all the qualities of one.


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Todrick of Chatsworth wrote:
So SJ, you support the army as long as it is your army? I also beleive the Red Army has raped its way across Germany in 44 and 45. Those also committed war crimes in Afghanistan in the 70s and 80s.

What did you do on your taxes? I filled mine out legally and reported everything I earned.  I reluctantly pay my taxes hoping that money goes to healthcare, and other programs.

It's your army; you bought it, or at least a piece of it.  You pay your taxes and you don't revolt.  When I was in the Army, you can't imagine how many times I wished people would revolt, so I wouldn't have to be in some of the places where I found myself.  So in a sense I blame it all on you, Todrick of Chatsworth, loyal servant and taxpaying citizen of the western imperial order.


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Todrick of Chatsworth wrote:
  Fidel, you would make a good fascist soldier...

Well, here I really do have to protest.  Fidel is good for nothing.

ETA:  of the sort.


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Todrick of Chatsworth wrote:

 

Okay Fidel, the NDP is the great political entity ever. They have never made a mistake ever, they are like gods and should have all our praise and devotion.

In fact, right now I am going to sacrifice a small lamb in Jack Layton's memory and pray that he guides me over this weekend.

That's more like it!

Todrick of Chatsworth wrote:
Fidel, you would make a good fascist soldier, never questioning, undying loyalty to the cause, full of praise to the leaders and the party.

Not that I am calling you a fascist soldier, you just have all the qualities of one.

 

And let's not forget the actual fascists who slaughtered and raped their way across Eastern Europe, Balkans, Russia and Ukraine in the 1940s. 

Long live the mujahideen and holy ol' anticommunist jihad!!


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