NDP Leadership #144

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Michelle

He probably could have memorized at least some of the speech, you would think.   At least get it on a teleprompter or something!

Catchfire: haha!

dacckon dacckon's picture

Why would Davies be removed from any position of power?

 

Layton put her as deputy, and she must stay there. I have faith in Layton's judgement.

Life, the unive...

Hey Tom- my eyes are up here!

dacckon dacckon's picture

If anything horrifically goes wrong by 2015, I get to declare that the blame is off me. Woot.

 

But he'll do well. I liked that his speech was to the point.  Commentators are ripping him up now.

simonvallee

Cheeseburger wrote:

simonvallee wrote:

...and Topp just went to congratulate Mulcair personally on stage, raising their hands together (nice photo op for the media to prove the unity of the party), as did Broadbent. Very good.

 

Save that picture - it may be the last time you see Topp or Broadbent (or LIbby Davies) anywhere near a position of power in the party for a long time

Please don't presume of a fracture in the party before even having the facts. That's playing the game of the Lib-Con spin doctors, who have jumped on every sentence to create the impression of nasty infighting. I think much of it is illusory, based on out of context quotes. There was some disagreement, but that happens in every leadership race.

Don't help break the party by falling for their ploy. And that is valid for everyone who said that Topp had no class or was horrible in the past few days or weeks. You've been had, time for you to acknowledge it and stop playing the game they want us to play.

pookie

Pat Martin sounds kinda deflated on CBC right now.

Michelle

Well, that was a completely boring and poorly-delivered speech.  Yawwwwn.  If that was how he performed on Friday, then no wonder Ed said he bombed.  He certainly did just now.

I'm surprised - he was way better during the debates.

Cheeseburger

Layton's not running the party anymore - it's a new era for the NDP and people who can't get used to it are going to get left behind

windsorworker

pookie wrote:

Pat Martin sounds kinda deflated on CBC right now.


12 hours on telivision will do that to you

dacckon dacckon's picture

Who cares about Pat Martin. Whatever-

thorin_bane

Yeah it was Michelle, and that is all they are harping on CBC about. I don't think anyone will care after tomorrow. Once he starts punishing harper during question period and it ACTUALLY makes the news, it will be more important than some silly pos election speach.

takeitslowly

that is a very uninspired and boring victory speech...Definitely not a Layton or Obama...oh well. Harper is boring too. I guess boring can make someone a winner. Ed broadbent looks pissed off!  I am not impressed.

takeitslowly

Cheeseburger wrote:

Layton's not running the party anymore - it's a new era for the NDP and people who can't get used to it are going to get left behind

 

or the NDP is going to be left behind..:roll my eyes:

Unionist

Catchfire wrote:

"Thank you, you fools! I now declare you Liberals!" (rips off jacket to reveal red t-shirt beneath)

You can laugh. But they invited everyone to go celebrate with a drink at the Sheraton Centre.

Get it?

They're moving the Party to the Centre!

dacckon dacckon's picture

Only conservatives leave people behind.

dacckon dacckon's picture

What if a majority of Canadians like wildlife documentaries? What if?!

pookie

I was struck by how badly he actually interacts with the audience and how fearful he seems to be of going off script. That's what made Olivia's performance last night so energizing.

Honestly - Sarah Palin was better at working the crowd at the 2008 Repug convention.

 

dacckon dacckon's picture

It was a tiring night, let's give him the benefit of the doubt that he will give better speeches later on.

Michelle

You'd better hope they do, dacckon. ;) 

To be fair, he's probably exhausted.  But you'd think he could muster a little more excitement.  Unless he just suddenly realized that he's about to be the subject of about 5 Conservative attack ads in the next week or so...

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LaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing @ Unionist!!!!

Lou Arab Lou Arab's picture

I thought the content of the speech was pretty good.  It was just the delivery that sucked.

Hunky_Monkey

I agree. He needs to stop reading speeches. But he has the skills to give a barnburner. He must be exhausted. They all must be. I am just watching it all day lol

Brachina

Everyone is probably exhausted by now, six months of hard campaigning and a vote that was dragged out by cyber terrorists on top of that.

They also bitched about Jack's speech on May 2nd.

Any who, I've never voted for someone who actually won before, its...nice, I can see the appeal, hopefully Mulcair keeps his winning streak going. Six elections and a leadership race.

Michelle

Chantal Hebert says he needs a new speechwriter and that he needs to stop reading his speeches.  No kidding! (Edited to add: although I agree with Lou below that the speech wasn't so bad - it was the delivery.)

But she's remembering Kim Campbell's victory speech and I didn't realize that she had called Charest names in hers.  That's hilarious!

Edited to add: another commenter says that it was like he was narrating a wildlife documentary.  Ha!

Unionist: GROAN. :D

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TM4PM!

NorthReport

Ha to both of your comments.

Unionist wrote:

Catchfire wrote:

"Thank you, you fools! I now declare you Liberals!" (rips off jacket to reveal red t-shirt beneath)

You can laugh. But they invited everyone to go celebrate with a drink at the Sheraton Centre.

Get it?

They're moving the Party to the Centre!

dacckon dacckon's picture

Well I look for content more than delivery.

 

I don't remember any mention of social democracy or equality. But then again my memory sucks.

Brachina

Michelle wrote:

You'd better hope they do, dacckon. ;) 

To be fair, he's probably exhausted.  But you'd think he could muster a little more excitement.  Unless he just suddenly realized that he's about to be the subject of about 5 Conservative attack ads in the next week or so...

5 attacks ads backed by millions of dollars. Excellent point.

As those worried about Mulcair's ability to produced a rousing speech, just check youtube for his speeches and interviews.

NorthReport

Mansbridge is interviewing Tom right now.

 

dacckon dacckon's picture

Mulcair still dominates in interviews.

dacckon dacckon's picture

See, Libby remains deputy.

 

You owe me 5 dollars. And liquor.

Hunky_Monkey

Mulcair says Libby Davies stays as Deputy Leader!

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Mulcair: Libby Davies will continue as Deputy leader.

Lou Arab Lou Arab's picture

Mulcair just told Mainsbridge that Libby will continue to be Deputy Leader.

NorthReport

And Mulcair is doing just fine, saying all the right things.

bekayne

Michelle wrote:

Chantal Hebert says he needs a new speechwriter and that he needs to stop reading his speeches.  No kidding! (Edited to add: although I agree with Lou below that the speech wasn't so bad - it was the delivery.)

But she's remembering Kim Campbell's victory speech and I didn't realize that she had called Charest names in hers.  That's hilarious!

"Jean, you're one hell of a tortoise"

Michelle

Huh!  Well, that certainly is promising, and quite unexpected.  Very nice comments on his part about Davies. And she'll be remaining deputy leader - smart on his part.

I'm impressed so far.

Also, he is way, WAY better unscripted than he is at speechifying.  Maybe they should just send him onstage with a couple of bullet points on a cue-card.

Hunky_Monkey

Michelle wrote:

Huh!  Well, that certainly is promising, and quite unexpected.  Very nice comments on his part about Davies. And she'll be remaining deputy leader - smart on his part.

I'm impressed so far.

Just fell off my chair *wink* :)

Lou Arab Lou Arab's picture

Mulcair is killing the interview with Mainsbridge.  MUCH better than the speech.

Lou Arab Lou Arab's picture

And I'm impressed that Michelle's impressed.

 

dacckon dacckon's picture

Hopefully Mulcair steals Topp's tax the rich plan. Its a great way to create unity and well, lets just say that policy is just what im lookin for.

Michelle

Well, that makes two of us, NorthReport. :)  Believe me, I'd be thrilled to be wrong.  I don't want to see progressives in the party sidelined just to prove myself right!

Hunky_Monkey

Wants to consult caucus first before responding to Tory attacks.

1springgarden

Lou Arab wrote:

Mulcair is killing the interview with Mainsbridge.  MUCH better than the speech.

Agreed!  Great interview by Mulcair!

Aristotleded24

So here is my take on what happened:

The race was actually a contest between 2 sections of the party elite, with Topp representing more of the union/old guard wing, and Mulcair representing the Blairite wing. Despite what he may have led people to believe, Topp is not a strong advocate of the party's left-wing. He served under Roy Romanow, one of the most openly Blairite NDP governments Canada has ever elected. The grassroots candidates could not muster the resources to be major contenders, as seen by the fact that Charlie Angus and Megan Leslie didn't even run despite encouragement to do so, the fact that Niki Ashton actually received fewer votes than Martin Singh even though Singh didn't even run a real campaign, and the fact that candidates like Paul Dewar and Nathan Cullen didn't even make it to the final ballot. How else could Brian Topp have done so well, with the party recently electing a record number of seats and Topp not holding one himself, unless Topp had some serious backing from the party establishment? He very clearly played to the core left-wing ideas of the NDP base, and probably would have won if he didn't have a seat.

As for Mulcair? Despite the strong numbers he posted in the end, this is actually a stern rebuke. It took him four ballots to win, which suggests that people aren't so enthusiastic again. He made the mistake of accepting the media's narrative that he was the front-runner and heir apparent, and acted accordingly. While he worked very hard to win new NDP voters in Quebec, he basically took it for granted that the NDP base was going to support him no matter what. He did not show that he really got the NDP culture, and at times came across as being opposed, for example, his remarks about "union bosses." He never clarified what he meant by "modernizing" the party, even though he should have known that that kind of talk sets off alarm bells about shifting the NDP rightward, whether or not that was Mulcair's intent. His comments about "doing things differently" came across as insulting. They would have carried weight if the pattern for NDP seat numbers was either stagnant or in decline, but the NDP seat count increased in every election in the past decade, so what did the party need to do differently now? If he had taken more effort to reassure the NDP base, and even talk to them and show that he was going to listen to their concerns and not take them for granted, the vote may not have dragged on as long, in fact he could very easliy have won on the first ballot.

Policywonk

bekayne wrote:

Michelle wrote:

Chantal Hebert says he needs a new speechwriter and that he needs to stop reading his speeches.  No kidding! (Edited to add: although I agree with Lou below that the speech wasn't so bad - it was the delivery.)

But she's remembering Kim Campbell's victory speech and I didn't realize that she had called Charest names in hers.  That's hilarious!

"Jean, you're one hell of a tortoise"

Then there was Alexa's speech that went on and on. It would have been even better if Tom had said that Libby was his choice for Deputy Leader during his acceptance speech. I wonder if he will have more than one?

 

 

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I cannot communicate the pleasure--nay!--pure jubilation--I feel to direct all of my esteemed friends, colleagues, competitors, supporters (both new and old) and my fellow mods to renew our ongoing project of unification and re-energization to this thread, dutifully started by Caissa (whose position as deputy nuisance shall continue unblemished) and admirably stewarded by many of my brothers and sisters whose courage and tenacity cannot be understated.

As I close this thread for posterity, I have only one thing to say:

I ran a positive campaign.

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