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NDP leadership race 2

Continued from here.

Unionist

Further to [url=http://rabble.ca/comment/1570133#comment-1570133]mark_alfred's somewhat facetious post[/url]:

Unionist wrote:

mark_alfred wrote:

 

Cheri DiNovo - NDP Leader Bid Fund -- gofundme site for Cheri DiNovo's campaign.  Be the first to contribute.

 

 

This site is a farce.

In the "comments", Clyde Mobbley (someone by that name was dumped as NDP Muskoka-Parry Sound  riding association president for calling on members to vote Green in the federal election) asks whether DiNovo supports BDS. The site owner, "Chris Franklin" (who says he has nothing to do with DiNovo or the NDP!), replies: "yes", and refers (without a link of course) to "the article in the torontonian" (whatever the hell that is). Of course, he's lying, or deluded.

After 20 hours, the total is now up to: $10! At that viral rate, Cheri will have her registration fee in approximately 6 years and 10 months.

You know, if she actually had an ounce of humility (that jury is still out) and could bring herself to retract her condemnation of Ontario student activists against Israel apartheid, and her obscene incitement to beef up Harper's "sanctions" against Russia, I'd give $10 myself. She's not a bad person, but those are big flaws.

 

 

Debater

The problem with DiNovo's 'unofficial' candidacy is that it risks making a mockery of the NDP Leadership race.

Several political commentators have been joking this week that they will 'unofficially' throw their hats in for NDP Leader.

Chantal Hébert & Andrew Coyne have been having fun Tweeting about it, amongst others.

Stockholm

I think it makes a mockery of Cheri DiNovo personally...the actual contest will get very serious very quickly next fall when some OFFICIAL candidates start to throw their hats in the ring

CanadaApple

My prediction is that DiNovo will "drop out" and end up endorsing Niki Ashton for leader. 

R.E.Wood

CanadaApple wrote:

My prediction is that DiNovo will "drop out" and end up endorsing Niki Ashton for leader. 

Not that an endorsement from DiNovo will help anyone.

CanadaApple

R.E.Wood wrote:

Not that an endorsement from DiNovo will help anyone.

Do endorsements ever make much of a difference anyway? 

 

Caissa

A $30k fee is unbecoming of a sociailist party.

Rev Pesky

Caissa wrote:

A $30k fee is unbecoming of a sociailist party.

I agree absolutely, but was there no discussion about the fee when it was set? And who set it? Was it an arbitrary decision by some group of NDP executive? Was it discussed at the convention?

The reason I ask is because it seems to me that the time to question the 'entrance' fee was at the time it was instituted. But I have no idea when or who put it in place.

Unionist

Rev Pesky wrote:

Caissa wrote:

A $30k fee is unbecoming of a sociailist party.

I agree absolutely, but was there no discussion about the fee when it was set? And who set it? Was it an arbitrary decision by some group of NDP executive? Was it discussed at the convention?

The reason I ask is because it seems to me that the time to question the 'entrance' fee was at the time it was instituted. But I have no idea when or who put it in place.

My understanding is that the National Council set the fee at its May 15 meeting in Ottawa. They are the governing body of the party between conventions. Theoretically.

Unionist

The thrill is gone:

[url=https://www.gofundme.com/cheridinovo]Cheri DiNovo GoFundMe site[/url]

Now the big question:

What did the sleazy mofo do with all that money???

Stockholm

Caissa wrote:

A $30k fee is unbecoming of a sociailist party.

A competitive campaign to lead the party will cost at least a million dollars. Anyone who doesnt think they can raise a measly $30k (less than a third of what a typical riding campaign costs) is not a serious candidate.

The nomination contest itself will cost the party close to a million dollars to stage - people who want to run have to help cover the costs of running the contest.

In 2012 the leadership campaign was seven months long and the entry fee was $15,000. This time the contest is more than twice as long at 17 months.

Party members elect people to sit on the federal council of the party and they make decisions on how the leadership contest is to take place. I assume they debated all these issues a few weeks ago when they set the date for the contest.

Caissa

Well this party member disagrees with the decision, including the length of the campaign; YMMV.

Stockholm

Caissa wrote:

Well this party member disagrees with the decision, including the length of the campaign; YMMV.

Maybe you should have run for a seat on federal council and you could have had some input into the decision.

Unionist

Caissa wrote:

Well this party member disagrees with the decision, including the length of the campaign; YMMV.

YKMV in Canadian.

Left Turn

[url=https://ricochet.media/en/1210/coffee-with-cheri-dinovo]Video: Coffee With Cheri Dinovo[/url]

Ricochet Media interviews Cheri DiNovo on her "unofficial" campaign for the leadership of the federal NDP.

Left Turn

Unionist wrote:

The thrill is gone:

[url=https://www.gofundme.com/cheridinovo]Cheri DiNovo GoFundMe site[/url]

Now the big question:

What did the sleazy mofo do with all that money???

Last I heard that GoFundMe campaign had raised all of $10. That was yesterday.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

The length of the campaign is a serious problem. The people who made those decisions are seriously delusional if they think that the Canadian electorate is going to stay interested in a leadership campaign that lasts longer than a minority government.

I have not seen anything on how the voting is to be done and whether it will be one member one vote and when the cutoff date is for voting rights as a new member.

mark_alfred

The Constitution specifies that leadership races are OMOV.  There's now a link on the NDP website with some information about the leadership race.  http://www.ndp.ca/leadership-2017  From this url, there's a document "Rules from NDP Federal Council", which states,

Quote:
BE IT RESOLVED THAT the membership cut-off date be established at 45 days before the final voting day.

Presumably the final voting day is "no later than October 29th, 2017".

mark_alfred

http://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2690176871/

Interesting discussion with Eric Grenier, Robin MacLachlan, and Sally Housser, about the upcoming leadership race.  They talk about potential candidates.  From it I learnt that Charlie Angus is bilingual.  Mike Layton's French is shakey, but he apparently is working on this.

Unionist

Left Turn wrote:

Unionist wrote:

The thrill is gone:

[url=https://www.gofundme.com/cheridinovo]Cheri DiNovo GoFundMe site[/url]

Now the big question:

What did the sleazy mofo do with all that money???

Last I heard that GoFundMe campaign had raised all of $10. That was yesterday.

Yes, I know, I posted that.

Still doesn't answer my question.

Where is the $10????

 

Debater

Stockholm wrote:

Caissa wrote:

A $30k fee is unbecoming of a sociailist party.

A competitive campaign to lead the party will cost at least a million dollars. Anyone who doesnt think they can raise a measly $30k (less than a third of what a typical riding campaign costs) is not a serious candidate.

The nomination contest itself will cost the party close to a million dollars to stage - people who want to run have to help cover the costs of running the contest.

In 2012 the leadership campaign was seven months long and the entry fee was $15,000. This time the contest is more than twice as long at 17 months.

Party members elect people to sit on the federal council of the party and they make decisions on how the leadership contest is to take place. I assume they debated all these issues a few weeks ago when they set the date for the contest.

Stockholm makes a valid point.

While it's fine in theory for a candidate to protest the entry fee, in practice it is a necessary reality that political parties have to find a way to fund themselves.

How does a party pay for the cost of a leadership convention if the price of running is free, or virtually nothing?

And how does a leader demonstrate to their party that they can raise funds for a general election if they aren't able to do so in a leadership campaign?

mark_alfred

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kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Fundraising is the bane of our politics. Can't live without it but it becomes such a large focus that it gets in the way of democracy. Here is great piece showing just how bad it has gotten South of the border.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ylomy1Aw9Hk

mark_alfred

Yes, a return to the public financing that was once briefly in place would be a good thing to advocate for.

Caissa

Why, pray tell, should it be the responsibility of the candidates to fund the PARTY'S leadership race?

quizzical

a good point Caissa. i hadn't thought of it.

mark_alfred

Good news.  Cheri DiNovo is going to officially enter the leadership race. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vda1LgHORS8&feature=youtu.be

R.E.Wood

mark_alfred wrote:

Good news.  Cheri DiNovo is going to officially enter the leadership race. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vda1LgHORS8&feature=youtu.be

 

Good. She made some valuable points in that speech, and will bring a needed perspective to the race. Could she have chosen a worse venue to launch her official campaign though? 

Unionist

*deleted* I misunderstood Caissa's point. I get it now.

Basement Dweller

Crappy audio too.

quizzical

is she resigning her seat?

Caissa

No.

Stockholm

DiNovo also showed total contempt and disrespect for the French fact in Canada by refusing to utter even one single solitary word in French in her almost inaudible launch speech. Is she really so alien to federal politics in Canada that she is totally ignorant of the linguistic duality of our country? Or maybe it's part of her strategy to run as the "anti-French" candidate and try to appeal to bigots who hate Quebec

R.E.Wood

The rest of the leadership race rules have been released by the NDP:

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/canada/canadian-politics/ndp-sets-rule...

Candidates need 500 signatures from members across the country (representing various demographics), and the vote will be in October 2017.

R.E.Wood

And speculation we could be waiting a looong time for serious candidates to step into the race, both in this article, and in the linked audio discussion (which is very interesting):

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/grenier-leadership-campaigns-history-1.3...

 

 

Aristotleded24

Even more basic, how is Di Novo going to find a federal seat to run in before the next federal election?

Unionist

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Even more basic, how is Di Novo going to find a federal seat to run in before the next federal election?

She could try an online GoSeatMe campaign.

Anyway, am I the only one who's still worried about what happened to the $10.00 CAD???

adma

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Even more basic, how is Di Novo going to find a federal seat to run in before the next federal election?

 

She can wait, like Jack.

Unionist

Left Turn wrote:

[url=https://ricochet.media/en/1210/coffee-with-cheri-dinovo]Video: Coffee With Cheri Dinovo[/url]

Ricochet Media interviews Cheri DiNovo on her "unofficial" campaign for the leadership of the federal NDP.

She passionately states that she didn't want to abandon "principle" (i.e. opposing candidate fees) right out of the gate. Sounds pretty lame in retrospect.

Plus, she missed a chance to apologize to the Ontario pro-Palestinian activists that she stomped on in 2010. I guess when it comes to changing her mind, she is carefully selective - she only changes it when she was right to start with.

How pathetic.

 

mark_alfred

http://canadalandshow.com/podcast/cheri-dinovo-how-fix-ndp

Cheri DiNovo has an interview on CanadaLand.

montrealer58 montrealer58's picture

In the above radio/podcast interview Cheri blames the NDP failure on the balanced budget commitment. Nothing was discussed about BDS. Cheri spoke against casino capitalism and for the Leap Manifesto. She is trying to appeal to people who are not afraid to call themselves socialists. 

The way to win elections in Canada is to span the centre to some degree, and you have to appeal to a lot of people who do not consider themselves to be socialists. Otherwise you will be stuck at 12% in the polls. So what is Cheri going to do? Promise that socialism will lead us to a more prosperous future in a deflationary world? If it will, she has to explain how. She mentions that European corporate taxes are 'double' that of Canada, but perhaps not when provincial corporate taxes are added in. The most sensible fiscal policy in terms of maximizing government revenue is to tax corporations lower and personal incomes higher. Indeed, many European countries have low corporate taxes and high personal taxes. Unfortunately Canada has downward pressure on personal taxes caused by the US which has high corporate taxes and low personal taxes. 

Personally I feel that government should send money to provinces for social programs and infrastructure and individuals for food and shelter. To guarantee this all the time, the relationship between the government and the central bank must change. The government does not need to borrow money which can be printed and then burned. After we have some kind of social security in this country, we should enjoy extra wealth from the free but regulated markets. 

Stockholm

I think DiNovo has serious delusions of grandeur and has a fantasy that she can be Canada's Bernie Sanders.

Caissa

Can we offer Bernie Sanders Canadian citizenship?

mark_alfred

Some speculation on Guy Caron running.

http://ici.radio-canada.ca/regions/est-quebec/2016/06/10/006-guy-caron-n...

Quote:
''C'est clair que je vais me prés... me prononcer cet automne, au plus tard.''

A bilingual poster on Facebook translated this as, "It is clear that I will be run... reaching a decision this fall, at the latest'', speculating that it could be a Freudian slip indicating that he does intend to run.  Google Translate translated it as, ''It's clear that I'm going to say ... meadows this autumn at the latest.''  Which if accurate is a fascinating statement.

The thing is Caron has very little charisma.  But he's smart, so voters would at least have some faith in the NDP as being reliably and competently led.

Debater

montrealer58 wrote:

In the above radio/podcast interview Cheri blames the NDP failure on the balanced budget commitment. Nothing was discussed about BDS. Cheri spoke against casino capitalism and for the Leap Manifesto. She is trying to appeal to people who are not afraid to call themselves socialists.

DiNovo may be right that the election turning point was the NDP balanced budget commitment.

Justin Trudeau said he went home that night and told Sophie Grégoire that he felt at that moment that the NDP handed the election to the Liberals.

Unionist

mark_alfred wrote:

http://canadalandshow.com/podcast/cheri-dinovo-how-fix-ndp

Cheri DiNovo has an interview on CanadaLand.

From the link:

Quote:
So she launched an unofficial leadership campaign, choosing not to pay the $30,000 fee required to enter the race.

That was posted on June 13. Must have been later that same day when DiNovo said, "Um, didn't realize so many people want to send me money, so I changed my mind - I'll pay to play!!" [I'm paraphrasing.] Or knowing her, it could have been earlier lol!

How embarrassing it must be for anyone who takes this character seriously.

 

benhart benhart's picture

I dont know about any of you but I think the NDP has many compentent people who could be the leader, but this time around we should look outside the box and choose someone who inspires can connect with everyday working people. I believe that person is none other than the Hon.M.P. for Berthier—Maskinongé Ruth Ellen Brosseau she has A story and A message I find very compellingLaughing

Here is where you can go to find out More Info on her potential leadership bid..

Ruth Ellen Brosseau: NDP Leader | Ruth Ellen Brosseau à la chefferie du NPD

Unionist

benhart wrote:

Here is where you can go to find out More Info on her potential leadership bid..

Ruth Ellen Brosseau: NDP Leader | Ruth Ellen Brosseau à la chefferie du NPD

That group has been around for 55 days, and it has 287 members - not all of whom support REB for leader.

Underwhelming social media campaign.

 

mark_alfred

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ndp-may-forgo-leadership-co...

Quote:

The party is looking at forgoing a traditional leadership convention in favour of a series of smaller-scale events over the course of a month.

The NDP executive is recommending a new leader be chosen some time between Oct. 1st and Oct. 31 of 2017, with rounds of voting through a preferential, ranked ballot taking place about once a week until a candidate hits the 50 per cent plus one mark to be declared the winner.

The proposed rules are still subject to change as they have not yet been debated or adopted by the NDP’s federal council.

This is fine by me.  The last convention, while fun, was more for show than anything else.  Since everyone but the convention attendees had alread voted (meaning about 93% had already voted), it meant all the candidate speeches and pledges of allegiance from eliminated candidates were more or less meaningless.  By extending the time that the voting takes place, it could bring back some of the excitement (to the vote, anyway) that the old delegate only convention votes for leadership had -- but this time being OMOV.  And, well, it would be cheaper to not have a convention, which likely is a big factor.  Still, the last convention was just a meaningless show.  Best to extend the vote to make it more meaningful and informed.

Rev Pesky

One of the things that conventions do is put the party front and center in the media. That's the value of a convention. The method as reccommended by the hierarchy more or less means the leadership race will be a back page item. Whooppeee...

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