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Sean in Ottawa wrote:

 

No this is reality. I do not know how old you are or where you were in the 80s but I remember Audrey and the dynamics of the time very well. Your comparison is clearly partisan drivel.

And her theme song was "talkin' about a revolution"

Sean in Ottawa

Mighty Middle wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

I do not call a first place of 70% Conservative and a second of 10-15% NDP to be a battle. You know nothing about politics to suggest otherwise.

I backed up my stats, now you do the same.

Sean in Ottawa

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Mighty Middle wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

I do not call a first place of 70% Conservative and a second of 10-15% NDP to be a battle. You know nothing about politics to suggest otherwise.

I backed up my stats, now you do the same.

READ the thread. I did and you did not. Show the individual ridings as I did. You threw out a bullshit number that includes blow-out Conservative seats where there is no battle at all.

I took every single seat the NDP came second to the Conservative within 20 points and listed them -- 15 in those provinces. The best argument against my list is that a high water mark getting within 20 points is not a battle. You could easily take my list and bring it to under ten when it comes to realistic battles. Yours is not  list it is a number backed by a joke assertion.

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Sean in Ottawa wrote:

 

READ the thread. I did and you did not. Show the individual ridings as I did. You threw out a bullshit number that includes blow-out Conservative seats where there is no battle at all.

 

I took every single seat the NDP came second to the Conservative within 20 points and listed them -- 15 in those provinces. The best argument against my list is that a high water mark getting within 20 points is not a battle. You could easily take my list and bring it to under ten when it comes to realistic battles. Yours is not  list it is a number backed by a joke assertion.

Boy it is a good thing you weren't advising the NDP in 2011 when they swept Quebec. I mean in the past some Quebec candidates barely got their deposit back, and now they are sitting NDP MPs. According to your logic it would of been a waste of time because they polled 10% to 70% to the Conservatives, Bloc or Liberals in 2008.

The lesson being anything can happen in an election. Even with seats a party polled 30 point behind in the previous election.

Remember the NDP said "Nobody thought we could win in Quebec. Nobody thought we could win in Alberta" So why are you being such a downer about it Sean? And you accuse me of putting the NDP down?

pietro_bcc

The turnout wasn't bad, it was comparable to the conservative leadership turnout of 54%.

Singh was #4 on my ballot and sleeping on it I think this just shows that the party has moved on and left people like me behind. If I wanted to vote for Justin Trudeau, I would vote for Justin Trudeau and not the NDP's Justin Trudeau knock off in an attempt to refight the 2015 election rather than the 2019 election. Fighting the previous election is something the NDP has perpetually been prone to and it continues. Another cloying platitute spitter with faux sincerity and youthful image over substance.

In anycase, if he can earn my vote he'll get it if not he won't and that's cool. I won't vote for someone just because he's on an orange campaign sign.

josh

I think this just shows that the party has moved on and left people like me behind. If I wanted to vote for Justin Trudeau, I would vote for Justin Trudeau and not the NDP's Justin Trudeau knock off in an attempt to refight the 2015 election rather than the 2019 election. Fighting the previous election is something the NDP has perpetually been prone to and it continues. Another cloying platitute spitter with faux sincerity and youthful image over substance.

Yep.

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josh wrote:

I think this just shows that the party has moved on and left people like me behind. If I wanted to vote for Justin Trudeau, I would vote for Justin Trudeau and not the NDP's Justin Trudeau knock off in an attempt to refight the 2015 election rather than the 2019 election. Fighting the previous election is something the NDP has perpetually been prone to and it continues. Another cloying platitute spitter with faux sincerity and youthful image over substance.

Yep.

My thoughts exactly as well. Why vote for a copy when the real-one is on the ballot?

pietro_bcc

I saw a lot of conservative people on twitter posting about how Singh like Trudeau lauded Castro upon his death and it turns out they're absolutely right.

https://twitter.com/theJagmeetSingh/status/802734505920524289

I know some others in the NDP did so as well (I believe Ashton did), but she's not the candidate so who cares. I for one criticized Trudeau for his statement, so it would be hypocritical not to be equally against what Singh said.

Let the attacks begin, but this is nothing just wait until the Liberal get to work on publicizing that Singh was against sex education in Ontario because it was against the religious beliefs of people in his community. I know "quoting what he said in Ontario's provincial legislature is unfair and racist", but I guess we'll see what the Liberals do right?

SeekingAPolitic...

josh wrote:

JeffWells wrote:

Maybe the most shocking number is that just 52% of members cared enough to vote. (And this was an improvement over the last time!) What does it say about a party if barely half its membership bothers to show up at a time like this? It's absurdly moribund.

If nothing else, the results have jolted me out of my own lethargy. As has been said, it's not just disappointment at my candidate's loss, but the years - decades, now - of the party taking a path I'm done travelling. I'm not a Liberal, and I don't care if your colours are orange or red. I want a party of the Left, and finally, obviously, the NDP ain't it.

Agree.  There is a need for a Corbynite like party.   There isn't one now.

 

I came to a similiar conclusion in 2014, when the ONDP released it platform. At the time I suffering a politcal case of 

"cognitive dissonance theory, there is a tendency for individuals to seek consistency among their cognitions (i.e., beliefs, opinions). When there is an inconsistency between attitudes or behaviors (dissonance), something must change to eliminate the dissonance"

https://www.simplypsychology.org/cognitive-dissonance.html

With 2014 ONDP election I wanted to believe that the ONDP was a leftist party, but more I tried to fit the ONDP party in a leftist paragdim I more internal excuses I had to make.  But relief came when I finally accepted the truth the NDP has no ideology to speak off.  Once you accept that the party would pick Mulcair over Corbyn then you can get intellectaly relief.

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pietro_bcc wrote:
Let the attacks begin, but this is nothing just wait until the Liberal get to work on publicizing that Singh was against sex education in Ontario because it was against the religious beliefs of people in his community. I know "quoting what he said in Ontario's provincial legislature is unfair and racist", but I guess we'll see what the Liberals do right?

Some, including fellow NDP MPP Cheri DiNovo, accuse Singh of pandering to the religious right during Ontario’s bitter debate over sex education. “Jagmeet lost me long ago,” she said in an email, referring to Singh’s support of those critical of teaching sex ed in schools.

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2017/08/02/its-cha-ching-for-...

When I ask DiNovo about Jagmeet Singh, currently considered the front-runner for the NDP leadership, her eyebrows raise ever so slightly. 

She says she’s concerned about the MPP’s original stance opposing the updated sex ed curriculum and calling for more parental input, which to DiNovo comes off as “code for religious fundamentalists who objected to the pro-queer content.” 

“He’s now sounding very positive, so I hope that continues. I live in hope that people can change.” 

https://nowtoronto.com/news/cheri-dinovo-erects-new-steeple/

So all the Liberals have to do is direct the media Cheri DiNovo way if they have questions about Jagmeet Singh sex-ed stance.

NorthReport

Jagmeet Singh's victory represents defeat of political right in Canada and India

 

 

https://www.straight.com/news/974741/gurpreet-singh-jagmeet-singhs-victo...

NorthReport

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NorthReport

Jagmeet Singh’s Resounding Win

Who is the new NDP leader mounting a charge at the Liberal Party?

Singh-Chow.jpg

 

https://thetyee.ca/News/2017/10/02/Jagmeet-Singh-Resounding-Win/

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Some people seem to want a Party which is 100% in line with how they think and feel about politics, and when it does not turn out that way, they leave in a huff. This is an entitled mentality. 

In the real world, nothing is perfect. We have to go for the lesser of evils. Singh may not be perfect, but he is the leftmost of the three major alternatives. As is the NDP. 

How is the NDP going to reflect your wishes if you leave in a huff? Isn't it better to stay in and fight for what you believe in? If you have any political experience at all on the progressive side of things, you should be used to being defeated. I certainly am. That doesn't stop me from talking to my friends and coworkers about progressive issues...

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progressive17 wrote:

Some people seem to want a Party which is 100% in line with how they think and feel about politics, and when it does not turn out that way, they leave in a huff. This is an entitled mentality. 

In the real world, nothing is perfect. We have to go for the lesser of evils. Singh may not be perfect, but he is the leftmost of the three major alternatives. As is the NDP. 

How is the NDP going to reflect your wishes if you leave in a huff? Isn't it better to stay in and fight for what you believe in? If you have any political experience at all on the progressive side of things, you should be used to being defeated. I certainly am. That doesn't stop me from talking to my friends and coworkers about progressive issues...

I agree with all of this, as long as we use FPTP to elect our MPs. If we had PR, I'm sure that there would be a more left party that would command 10% or so of the vote, and that's where I'd be.

SeekingAPolitic...

progressive17 wrote:

Some people seem to want a Party which is 100% in line with how they think and feel about politics, and when it does not turn out that way, they leave in a huff. This is an entitled mentality. 

In the real world, nothing is perfect. We have to go for the lesser of evils. Singh may not be perfect, but he is the leftmost of the three major alternatives. As is the NDP. 

How is the NDP going to reflect your wishes if you leave in a huff? Isn't it better to stay in and fight for what you believe in? If you have any political experience at all on the progressive side of things, you should be used to being defeated. I certainly am. That doesn't stop me from talking to my friends and coworkers about progressive issues...

I am saying this jest and not mock or demean you:)  but I bet your not a NDP communications officer.  

"In the real world, nothing is perfect. We have to go for the lesser of evils. Singh may not be perfect, but he is the leftmost of the three major alternatives. As is the NDP. "

I hope the NDP does not use the above to part for vote messaging:)

But on more serious note, voting for something you believe in should not dimissed as "entitled menatilty."  I cancelled my Green membership and bought NDP membership becasue I thought that just maybe the NDP would be open to new ideas. How disappointing.  Don't worry I will speak for leftist causes but being a NDP loyalist is an excerise in chasing fools gold.

Debater

Justin Trudeau has met his match in Jagmeet Singh

Tom Parkin

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/10/01/justin-trudeau-has-met-his-match-in...

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Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Mighty Middle wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

This is a sick and absurd post.

What is absurd and sick about the parrells between Audrey & Jagmeet?

The fact that there really aren't any and you are grasping at straws to make them up. That.

And the twisted cosmic fluke of massacres occurring when both were elected leader, as if those occurrences had anything to do with each other.

pietro_bcc

progressive17 wrote:

Some people seem to want a Party which is 100% in line with how they think and feel about politics, and when it does not turn out that way, they leave in a huff. This is an entitled mentality. 

In the real world, nothing is perfect. We have to go for the lesser of evils. Singh may not be perfect, but he is the leftmost of the three major alternatives. As is the NDP. 

How is the NDP going to reflect your wishes if you leave in a huff? Isn't it better to stay in and fight for what you believe in? If you have any political experience at all on the progressive side of things, you should be used to being defeated. I certainly am. That doesn't stop me from talking to my friends and coworkers about progressive issues...

If Caron or even Angus would've won I would still retain my NDP membership even though I disagree with both on some issues.

I don't support Singh because he doesn't actually have any principles, he has an image and focus tests any stand he takes, rather than standing on his principles. "don't ask me about that, wait for my plan", the only difference I see between Singh and Trudeau is that the NDP caucus is further to the left, the leadership is pretty much the same. If this were the US perhaps there would be merit to the lesser of two evils, but I have a choice between 5 parties with seats in the house and at least with the Greens I have no doubt as to their committment to fighting climate change which is the issue I care most about. Even though I disagree with May being anti-democratic when it comes to her party's position on BDS and her attacking the Quebec provincial Greens because they're too left.

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Ken Burch wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Mighty Middle wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

This is a sick and absurd post.

What is absurd and sick about the parrells between Audrey & Jagmeet?

The fact that there really aren't any and you are grasping at straws to make them up. That.

And the twisted cosmic fluke of massacres occurring when both were elected leader, as if those occurrences had anything to do with each other.

Foreshadowing is an advance sign or warning of what is to come in the future.

Parallel - similar, analogous, or interdependent in tendency or development
(2) :exhibiting parallelism in form, function, or development e.g. evolution

Jagmeet election as leader seems to be a rehash of Audrey election as leader. Celebrating the election of a visible minority the same as electing the first woman as leader. I think their paths will follow the same road. That is my only point.

WWWTT

Mighty Middle wrote:

pietro_bcc wrote:
Let the attacks begin, but this is nothing just wait until the Liberal get to work on publicizing that Singh was against sex education in Ontario because it was against the religious beliefs of people in his community. I know "quoting what he said in Ontario's provincial legislature is unfair and racist", but I guess we'll see what the Liberals do right?

Some, including fellow NDP MPP Cheri DiNovo, accuse Singh of pandering to the religious right during Ontario’s bitter debate over sex education. “Jagmeet lost me long ago,” she said in an email, referring to Singh’s support of those critical of teaching sex ed in schools.

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/commentary/2017/08/02/its-cha-ching-for-...

When I ask DiNovo about Jagmeet Singh, currently considered the front-runner for the NDP leadership, her eyebrows raise ever so slightly. 

She says she’s concerned about the MPP’s original stance opposing the updated sex ed curriculum and calling for more parental input, which to DiNovo comes off as “code for religious fundamentalists who objected to the pro-queer content.” 

“He’s now sounding very positive, so I hope that continues. I live in hope that people can change.” 

https://nowtoronto.com/news/cheri-dinovo-erects-new-steeple/

So all the Liberals have to do is direct the media Cheri DiNovo way if they have questions about Jagmeet Singh sex-ed stance.

One person who wears their religion telling us to watch out for another person who wears their religion.

I couldn't move to communist athiest China soon enough when I read stuff like this! LOL!

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Mighty Middle wrote:

Foreshadowing is an advance sign or warning of what is to come in the future.

Parallel - similar, analogous, or interdependent in tendency or development
(2) :exhibiting parallelism in form, function, or development e.g. evolution

Jagmeet election as leader seems to be a rehash of Audrey election as leader. Celebrating the election of a visible minority the same as electing the first woman as leader. I think their paths will follow the same road. That is my only point.

Why not also consider the astrological signs at the times that the victories of Audrey and Jagmeet were announced? Or perhaps the entrails of chickens slaughtered by druids immediately following the events?

You are fully entitled to your opinion that Jagmeet's leadership will parallel that of Audrey, but you have presented no evidence, only your unsupported belief.

josh

Debater wrote:

Justin Trudeau has met his match in Jagmeet Singh

Tom Parkin

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/10/01/justin-trudeau-has-met-his-match-in...

Yes, Singh is a nattier dresser.

WWWTT

Ken Burch wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Mighty Middle wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

This is a sick and absurd post.

What is absurd and sick about the parrells between Audrey & Jagmeet?

The fact that there really aren't any and you are grasping at straws to make them up. That.

And the twisted cosmic fluke of massacres occurring when both were elected leader, as if those occurrences had anything to do with each other.

One massacre was in Canada related to womans issues and the other was the "latest" massacre in the US. 

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Michael Moriarity wrote:

You are fully entitled to your opinion that Jagmeet's leadership will parallel that of Audrey, but you have presented no evidence, only your unsupported belief.

Audrey theme song was "Talkin' About A Revolution".

WWWTT

Michael Moriarity wrote:

Why not also consider the astrological signs at the times that the victories of Audrey and Jagmeet were announced? Or perhaps the entrails of chickens slaughtered by druids immediately following the events?

You just had to bring the "chickens" into this didn't you?

How about you do those "chickens" a big favour and leave them out of this hey? They have enough to worry about!!

LOL!

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progressive17 wrote:

Some people seem to want a Party which is 100% in line with how they think and feel about politics, and when it does not turn out that way, they leave in a huff. This is an entitled mentality. 

In the real world, nothing is perfect. We have to go for the lesser of evils. Singh may not be perfect, but he is the leftmost of the three major alternatives. As is the NDP. 

How is the NDP going to reflect your wishes if you leave in a huff? Isn't it better to stay in and fight for what you believe in? If you have any political experience at all on the progressive side of things, you should be used to being defeated. I certainly am. That doesn't stop me from talking to my friends and coworkers about progressive issues...

Jagmeet could be proactive on this  He could easily say "the days when the Left is totally out in the cold in this party are done with.  Now that I'm leader, activists, for the first time in this party's history, will decide policy and riding associations will have total control over candidate selection".   Those two things, plus a housecleaning at party HQ, would do a lot to keep people in the tent, while not driving anyone else away.

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WWWTT wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Mighty Middle wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

This is a sick and absurd post.

What is absurd and sick about the parrells between Audrey & Jagmeet?

The fact that there really aren't any and you are grasping at straws to make them up. That.

And the twisted cosmic fluke of massacres occurring when both were elected leader, as if those occurrences had anything to do with each other.

One massacre was in Canada related to womans issues and the other was the "latest" massacre in the US. 

And neither massacre had anything to do with the result of the NDP leadership vote.

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Quote:
And neither massacre had anything to do with the result of the NDP leadership vote.

When someone says "X happened, and then Y happened!  Coincidence???" the proper response is "Isn't that pretty much the definition of a coincidence?"

WWWTT

Ken Burch wrote:

progressive17 wrote:

Some people seem to want a Party which is 100% in line with how they think and feel about politics, and when it does not turn out that way, they leave in a huff. This is an entitled mentality. 

In the real world, nothing is perfect. We have to go for the lesser of evils. Singh may not be perfect, but he is the leftmost of the three major alternatives. As is the NDP. 

How is the NDP going to reflect your wishes if you leave in a huff? Isn't it better to stay in and fight for what you believe in? If you have any political experience at all on the progressive side of things, you should be used to being defeated. I certainly am. That doesn't stop me from talking to my friends and coworkers about progressive issues...

Jagmeet could be proactive on this  He could easily say "the days when the Left is totally out in the cold in this party are done with.  Now that I'm leader, activists, for the first time in this party's history, will decide policy and riding associations will have total control over candidate selection".   Those two things, plus a housecleaning at party HQ, would do a lot to keep people in the tent, while not driving anyone else away.

Ya actually I live in Brampton! Lived here since 2003 and Toronto and Caledon before that. Also was on the E board for the Brampton West NDP riding association. And from my experience with the dominant region of Peel riding association held by the NDP (B-G-M) don't expect the aforementioned events to ever materialize into reality. If anyone wants to see the NDP party do well in seat counts, don't be a ideological/intellectual dreamer. Just get behind brother Jagmeet, knock on doors, renew your membership, donate and volunteer whenever you can.

If you want to be an intellect/ideological dreamer? Move to Portugal and stop wasting your time in Canada! Weather is nicer too!

WWWTT

Ken Burch wrote:

WWWTT wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Mighty Middle wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

This is a sick and absurd post.

What is absurd and sick about the parrells between Audrey & Jagmeet?

The fact that there really aren't any and you are grasping at straws to make them up. That.

And the twisted cosmic fluke of massacres occurring when both were elected leader, as if those occurrences had anything to do with each other.

One massacre was in Canada related to womans issues and the other was the "latest" massacre in the US. 

And neither massacre had anything to do with the result of the NDP leadership vote.

Actually I disagree!

Audrey won December 2 1989, Montreal massacre was about a sexist killing women on Dec.6. Four days after Audrey's historic pro woman win!

Either way, this is way off topic and should be discussing in it's own thread

 

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Jagmeet just said his four pillars he is focusing on is

Inequality

Climate Change

Reconcillation

Electoral Reform

The last one (Electoral Reform) is his top mind issue and he'll use that as a wedge against the Liberals.

That's all he has? If he goes into an election with those four issues, look for another Liberal majority in 2019.

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Double Post

Sean in Ottawa

Mighty Middle wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Mighty Middle wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

This is a sick and absurd post.

What is absurd and sick about the parrells between Audrey & Jagmeet?

The fact that there really aren't any and you are grasping at straws to make them up. That.

And the twisted cosmic fluke of massacres occurring when both were elected leader, as if those occurrences had anything to do with each other.

Foreshadowing is an advance sign or warning of what is to come in the future.

Parallel - similar, analogous, or interdependent in tendency or development
(2) :exhibiting parallelism in form, function, or development e.g. evolution

Jagmeet election as leader seems to be a rehash of Audrey election as leader. Celebrating the election of a visible minority the same as electing the first woman as leader. I think their paths will follow the same road. That is my only point.

Please refrain from calling a serving of gibberish with a sauce of Liberal propaganda a point. It's annoying.

Sean in Ottawa

Mighty Middle wrote:

Michael Moriarity wrote:

You are fully entitled to your opinion that Jagmeet's leadership will parallel that of Audrey, but you have presented no evidence, only your unsupported belief.

Audrey theme song was "Talkin' About A Revolution".

Please go complain to Tracey Chapman. I am sure she woudl like to take responsibility.

McLaughlin did not present a sell-out of a campaign. She was just not effective and running in a terrible context.

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Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Please go complain to Tracey Chapman. I am sure she woudl like to take responsibility.

You could play Talkin' About A Revolution over images of Jagmeet's win and Audrey's win. And the narrative is the same. First woman elected leader, first visible minority leader elected.

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Please refrain from calling a serving of gibberish with a sauce of Liberal propaganda a point. It's annoying.

You are not a moderator or webmaster of this forum. So you have no right to tell posters here what they can and cannot say.

Debater

Video clip of Jagmeet Singh on Power & Politics:

https://twitter.com/PnPCBC/status/914968317508558849

Sean in Ottawa

Mighty Middle wrote:

Jagmeet just said his four pillars he is focusing on is

Inequality

Climate Change

Reconcillation

Electoral Reform

The last one (Electoral Reform) is his top mind issue and he'll use that as a wedge against the Liberals.

That's all he has? If he goes into an election with those four issues, look for another Liberal majority in 2019.

Thank you so much for clarifying that these issues are nothing to you. Now what the hell are you here for?

For the record for me the word equality includes all the others and a lot more. But if inequality is not important to you I think you should head on over to rebel media and have some quality time with your friends.

If Singh makes these his pillars and does a good job of it in the next election Trudeau will be seriously challenged.

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Sean in Ottawa wrote:

If Singh makes these his pillars and does a good job of it in the next election Trudeau will be seriously challenged.

Except nobody cares about Electoral Reform, and in the minds of most voters they think Trudeau has tackled the other three pillars.

Sean in Ottawa

Mighty Middle wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Please go complain to Tracey Chapman. I am sure she woudl like to take responsibility.

You could play Talkin' About A Revolution over images of Jagmeet's win and Audrey's win. And the narrative is the same. First woman elected leader, first visible minority leader elected.

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Please refrain from calling a serving of gibberish with a sauce of Liberal propaganda a point. It's annoying.

You are not a moderator or webmaster of this forum. So you have no right to tell posters here what they can and cannot say.

I am asking.

I am not telling you to stop slinging your crap - just asking. And yes, you do not have to be a mod to ask.

I even said please.

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Sean in Ottawa wrote:

 

 

I am not telling you to stop slinging your crap - just asking. And yes, you do not have to be a mod to ask.

I even said please.

Sorry you have no right to try to muzzle my speech, and quite frankly it is shocking you would even think of suggesting it. This is a DISCUSSION board not a love-in. Why not just do this. When you see my posts, just skip them. It would make both of us happy.

Sean in Ottawa

Mighty Middle wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

If Singh makes these his pillars and does a good job of it in the next election Trudeau will be seriously challenged.

Except nobody cares about Electoral Reform, and in the minds of most voters they think Trudeau has tackled the other three pillars.

No Liberals do not care. Quite a few others do. Also more will when the Liberals come winning that the Conservatives might win if they do not convince the NDP supporters to "vote strategically."

The Liberals might even face a strategic vote against them in the next election.

Debater

Jagmeet Singh's 1st Ottawa scrum as NDP leader:

http://www.cpac.ca/en/programs/headline-politics/episodes/53144374

Sean in Ottawa

Mighty Middle wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

 

 

I am not telling you to stop slinging your crap - just asking. And yes, you do not have to be a mod to ask.

 

I even said please.

Sorry you have no right to try to muzzle my speech, and quite frankly it is shocking you would even think of suggesting it. This is a DISCUSSION board not a love-in. Why not just do this. When you see my posts, just skip them. It would make both of us happy.

Muzzle? Now I am not sure whether I should laugh at you or feel sorry for you.

Maybe a bit of both.

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Sean in Ottawa wrote:

No Liberals do not care. Quite a few others do. Also more will when the Liberals come winning that the Conservatives might win if they do not convince the NDP supporters to "vote strategically."

The Liberals might even face a strategic vote against them in the next election.

It is not a vote getter. NDP Strategist Robin Sears is on record saying it is a complete waste of time to make Electoral Reform an election issue.

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Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Muzzle? Now I am not sure whether I should laugh at you or feel sorry for you.

Maybe a bit of both.

I've heard snappier comebacks from a bowl of Rice Crispies.

Debater

Jagmeet Singh on his plan for Quebec: "I'm absolutely confident we're not only going to maintain our seats in Quebec...we'll grow the party"

https://twitter.com/CPAC_TV/status/914606928009076736

Sean in Ottawa

Mighty Middle wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Muzzle? Now I am not sure whether I should laugh at you or feel sorry for you.

Maybe a bit of both.

I've heard snappier comebacks from a bowl of Rice Crispies.

I wrote what I thought. You, on the other hand, seemed to have googled "snappy comeback" on google. I am fine with that.

Sean in Ottawa

Debater wrote:

Jagmeet Singh on his plan for Quebec: "I'm absolutely confident we're not only going to maintain our seats in Quebec...we'll grow the party"

https://twitter.com/CPAC_TV/status/914606928009076736

Interesting -- seemed to be more in French than English and he seemed to do rather well. His language will improve no doubt. His personality seemed very engaging and likeable.

 

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Sean in Ottawa wrote:

I wrote what I thought. You, on the other hand, seemed to have googled "snappy comeback" on google. I am fine with that.

That is what google is for, as you googled the rice crispies quote.

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