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Mighty Middle

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

His personality seemed very engaging and likeable.

"Sometimes I do feel like a well-read National Geographic running against the cover of Vanity Fair, but I think that next year, people are going to be voting for a Prime Minister."

-Tom Mulcair

And yet here is Jagmeet Singh throwing a diva tantrum less than 24 hours beings elected leader

Jagmeet Singh soon on , after threatening to cancel if not told the questions first. He reconsidered on being told no.

https://twitter.com/CBCTerry/status/914962745879121922

NorthReport

Wow!

The NDP has not seen such publicity in a long, long time!

Good on Singh as he is having an impact already!

NorthReport
NorthReport

Can NDP’s ‘cool’ new leader Jagmeet Singh resonate with millennials — and become PM?

Singh, only 38 and the first leader of a major federal party who is not white, brings an undeniable shift in style and leadership for the New Democrats.

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2017/10/02/can-the-ndps-cool-new-lea...

NorthReport

All the People Who Are Not Jagmeet Singh

A helpful guide for white people.

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/43abem/all-the-people-who-are-not-jag...

brookmere

pietro_bcc wrote:
just wait until the Liberal get to work on publicizing that Singh was against sex education in Ontario because it was against the religious beliefs of people in his community.

No they won't. They know perfectly well that this would offend the whole Sikh community - particularly the more conservative ones who are their own voters - and the Liberals want to keep as many Sikhs onside as they can.

But the Bloc doesn't have to worry about that. I think the upcoming byelection in Outremont will be very interesting. The NDP has to hold this seat to have any credibility in Quebec.

NorthReport
NorthReport

Singh moves off Brampton, Ont. dance floor and on to Parliament Hill

http://www.metronews.ca/news/canada/2017/10/02/singh-meets-mps-in-ottawa...

NorthReport

OCT 2 2017, 3:08 PM ET

Canadian Sikh Politician Wins Race to Lead Federal New Democrats

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/canadian-sikh-politician-wins...

Debater

I agree that Singh could be a tough opponent for Trudeau, but here's the dilemma for progressives:

Meanwhile, Andrew Scheer, the Conservative Party leader, can scarcely believe his luck. The more Mr. Singh divides the voters on the left, the better his shot at power will be.

Mighty Middle

Debater wrote:

I agree that Singh could be a tough opponent for Trudeau, but here's the dilemma for progressives:

Meanwhile, Andrew Scheer, the Conservative Party leader, can scarcely believe his luck. The more Mr. Singh divides the voters on the left, the better his shot at power will be.

Remember what the NDP said in 2015, "We are the only ones that can defeat the Conservatives", so all the Liberals have to do is poach that line.

WWWTT

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Debater wrote:

Jagmeet Singh on his plan for Quebec: "I'm absolutely confident we're not only going to maintain our seats in Quebec...we'll grow the party"

https://twitter.com/CPAC_TV/status/914606928009076736

Interesting -- seemed to be more in French than English and he seemed to do rather well. His language will improve no doubt. His personality seemed very engaging and likeable.

 

Agreed!

Jagmeet will eventually grow on the NDP members, or is it the other way around?

Another point I'm observing is the media attention Jagmeet is receiving. It actually sounds very positive! I'm surprised! Not sure how long it will last? But the NDP have some wind in it's sails and I predict some stronger polling numbers in the near future.

The true NDP members should take this little gift that landed unexpectingly on their lap and fucking run with it, build on it, expand on it right up to the election and it should result in greater seat count in parliament.

Still lots of hurdles, but uniting the party right now is job number #1

pietro_bcc

Mighty Middle wrote:

And yet here is Jagmeet Singh throwing a diva tantrum less than 24 hours beings elected leader

Jagmeet Singh soon on , after threatening to cancel if not told the questions first. He reconsidered on being told no.

https://twitter.com/CBCTerry/status/914962745879121922

Refusing to take questions without them being submitted to him beforehand... how Harper-esque.

He backed down because he's just the 3rd party leader, if he were prime minister do you really believe he would back down?

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Remember what the NDP said in 2015

Were you struck by lightning in 2015?  Or cursed by a witch in 2015, to foreverafter have to relive 2015?  Or have you just forgotten to hang a new calendar?

Why do so many of your posts seem to begin with "Remember when the NDP said..."?

WWWTT

Debater wrote:

I agree that Singh could be a tough opponent for Trudeau, but here's the dilemma for progressives:

Meanwhile, Andrew Scheer, the Conservative Party leader, can scarcely believe his luck. The more Mr. Singh divides the voters on the left, the better his shot at power will be.

LOL! From what I see, Canada ONLY has ONE major left wing party! And that's the NDP! However, Canada has TWO right wing parties, the conservatives and the liberals. Andrew is doing the NDP a huge favour dividing the right to help the NDP!

Mighty Middle

Mr. Magoo wrote:

Why do so many of your posts seem to begin with "Remember when the NDP said..."?

Because after being so puritanical insisting a party leader needs to be experienced, the NDP is showing they are just like every other party by electing Jagmeet Singh, who represents everything the NDP WAS AGAINST in a leader two years ago!

WWWTT

NorthReport wrote:

Wow!

The NDP has not seen such publicity in a long, long time!

Good on Singh as he is having an impact already!

Bang on brother!!!!

True NDP members will help unite the party now and stand with brother Jagmeet!

If something comes up real negative then the members will have to cross that bridge when/if it ever comes, but hoping for the "wheels to come off" attitude is going to have to be buried!

SeekingAPolitic...

WWWTT wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Debater wrote:

Jagmeet Singh on his plan for Quebec: "I'm absolutely confident we're not only going to maintain our seats in Quebec...we'll grow the party"

https://twitter.com/CPAC_TV/status/914606928009076736

Interesting -- seemed to be more in French than English and he seemed to do rather well. His language will improve no doubt. His personality seemed very engaging and likeable.

 

Agreed!

Jagmeet will eventually grow on the NDP members, or is it the other way around?

Another point I'm observing is the media attention Jagmeet is receiving. It actually sounds very positive! I'm surprised! Not sure how long it will last? But the NDP have some wind in it's sails and I predict some stronger polling numbers in the near future.

The true NDP members should take this little gift that landed unexpectingly on their lap and fucking run with it, build on it, expand on it right up to the election and it should result in greater seat count in parliament.

Still lots of hurdles, but uniting the party right now is job number #1

Every new federal leader gets some good media play at the beginning.  The traditional honeymoon period.  But don't much beyond the honeymoon period he is the leader of the 3 rd party.  Wait a few months he will doing the eqvilanet of Trudeau yoga hand stands and doing selfies with a random class graduations for press.  I don't Singh well but I would  suggests him doing matrial arts moves, it really dependent if he really any good.  

He is going to have to go on the rubber chicken tour of the country.  Let the public meet him and raise of bucks for the party.  I going to have check the election canada fiance party database to make next point.  The NDP needs the  money(hint).

Mighty Middle

In the scrum Jagmeet Singh said it was "cool" (his word) that Justin Trudeau called him personally to offer congratulations. And he said that Trudeau offered some advice to lead the third party, and that he (Jagmeet) appreciated it.

Sean in Ottawa

Mighty Middle wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

I wrote what I thought. You, on the other hand, seemed to have googled "snappy comeback" on google. I am fine with that.

That is what google is for, as you googled the rice crispies quote.

I did because I was sure that you would not be able to come up with it on your own.

Also I thought I had heard it before somewhere.

You may not like my wit but at least it is mine.

Mighty Middle

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

I did because I was sure that you would not be able to come up with it on your own.

Also I thought I had heard it before somewhere.

You may not like my wit but at least it is mine.

you have so many different positions, I feel like I'm reading the Joy of Politics.

Mine and original. Is that better?

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Because after being so puritanical insisting a party leader needs to be experienced, the NDP is showing they are just like every other party by electing Jagmeet Singh, who represents everything the NDP WAS AGAINST in a leader two years ago!

And that's a shame, MM.  A low-down, dirty shame.

But I think it's not clear what it is that you're waiting for, here?  A group self-flagellation?  A repudiation?  The swearing of an oath?

I feel like you've made your point.  So what do babblers need to do for you to stop repeating yourself?  Serious question.

NDPP

Perhaps it's high time for the NDP and their new fearless leader to re-examine their awful foreign policy and supporting debacles like NATO, the war on Libya, the coup inUkraine, regime change in Syria and last but not least,  Israel. 

https://t.co/6F0dbkXxcf

Mighty Middle

Mr. Magoo wrote:

But I think it's not clear what it is that you're waiting for, here?  A group self-flagellation?  A repudiation?  The swearing of an oath?

I feel like you've made your point.  So what do babblers need to do for you to stop repeating yourself?  Serious question.

Then the NDP cannot 1) claim the moral high ground 2) Cannot be so puritanical. Because with this election, the party and the grassroots has just proven they are like every other party.

They say one thing when they are at the top (official opposition) then do the opposite when they are the third party.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Then the NDP cannot 1) claim the moral high ground 2) Cannot be so puritanical.

No party is an exception to this.

So then what?

Mighty Middle

Mr. Magoo wrote:

Quote:
Then the NDP cannot 1) claim the moral high ground 2) Cannot be so puritanical.

No party is an exception to this.

So then what?

But the NDP said they were

Sean in Ottawa

Mighty Middle wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

I did because I was sure that you would not be able to come up with it on your own.

Also I thought I had heard it before somewhere.

You may not like my wit but at least it is mine.

you have so many different positions, I feel like I'm reading the Joy of Politics.

Mine and original. Is that better?

Oh yes. And after a while you might even be able to come up with one that fits the conversation.

Mighty Middle

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Mighty Middle wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

I did because I was sure that you would not be able to come up with it on your own.

Also I thought I had heard it before somewhere.

You may not like my wit but at least it is mine.

you have so many different positions, I feel like I'm reading the Joy of Politics.

Mine and original. Is that better?

Oh yes. And after a while you might even be able to come up with one that fits the conversation.

I would continue the conversation, but it would break my New Year's resolution of not engaging in people (like you Sean in Ottawa) that support policies that could fit on a bumper sticker.

And yes that is an original from me. Is that better as well?

Rev Pesky

From Mighty Middle:

I would continue the conversation, but it would break my New Year's resolution of not engaging in people (like you Sean in Ottawa) that support policies that could fit on a bumper sticker.

Which leads to the absolute best description of a certain type of politics (Trump, f'rinstance) as ​

'bumper sticker politics'!

Now that, I like. By the way, I googled that phrase, and the only thing I got close to it was for images of bumper stickers with the word politics on them. So this could very well be a world first.

Sean in Ottawa

Mighty Middle wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

Mighty Middle wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

I did because I was sure that you would not be able to come up with it on your own.

Also I thought I had heard it before somewhere.

You may not like my wit but at least it is mine.

you have so many different positions, I feel like I'm reading the Joy of Politics.

Mine and original. Is that better?

Oh yes. And after a while you might even be able to come up with one that fits the conversation.

I would continue the conversation, but it would break my New Year's resolution of not engaging in people (like you Sean in Ottawa) that support policies that could fit on a bumper sticker.

And yes that is an original from me. Is that better as well?

Well I hope you keep your resolution.

And no, not better. Mix and match insults that are disconnected from anything real in the conversation are meaningless. But I can see it is the best you can do. After all you have had only a couple rather pathetic points for many days and have to repeat those over and over. I guess you are waiting for the next press release from Liberal HQ to come up with something new.

 

Mighty Middle

Sean I didn't even read your response because it would be breaking my New Year's resolution, about people who support politics that can fit on a bumper sticker. I suggest you do the same and skip my responses. Will make both of us happier.

Meanwhile CBC Terry Milewski is being accused on twitter for asking a racist question to Jagmeet Singh earlier today. Watch at link below and decide for yourself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pECUO77djg

JKR

JeffWells wrote:

Maybe the most shocking number is that just 52% of members cared enough to vote. (And this was an improvement over the last time!) What does it say about a party if barely half its membership bothers to show up at a time like this? It's absurdly moribund.

If nothing else, the results have jolted me out of my own lethargy. As has been said, it's not just disappointment at my candidate's loss, but the years - decades, now - of the party taking a path I'm done travelling. I'm not a Liberal, and I don't care if your colours are orange or red. I want a party of the Left, and finally, obviously, the NDP ain't it.

Looking at the low turnout numbers, it seems that many members of the NDP care mostly about their provincial wing of the party.

SeekingAPolitic...

I am looking at the finance numbers of the party, in 2015 the party had 24 million dollars in rebates stored away.  I think rebates refers to the per voter payment that Harper did away with.  Does any one remember how much a party got per vote?

Found it--Rebates refer to something dffirent, Quarterly Allowance refers to the per vote subisty.

NorthReport

Some folks like to reincarnate themselves

Mighty Middle used to be terrytowel before he got booted from here

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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Because after being so puritanical insisting a party leader needs to be experienced, the NDP is showing they are just like every other party by electing Jagmeet Singh, who represents everything the NDP WAS AGAINST in a leader two years ago!

And that's a shame, MM.  A low-down, dirty shame.

But I think it's not clear what it is that you're waiting for, here?  A group self-flagellation?  A repudiation?  The swearing of an oath?

I feel like you've made your point.  So what do babblers need to do for you to stop repeating yourself?  Serious question.

Hunky_Monkey

Mighty Middle keeps missing the point about entry level... it was about a political dilettante jackoff that did little with his life who felt entitled to play prime minister because his daddy was prime minister.  When your life is pretty much a playboy joke, becoming prime minister is with little gravitas or life experience.  However, Canadians didn't care so we got Prime Minister Zoolander.  Our version of George W.  Bush... but at least Bush did something with his life for a bit before becoming governor and president.

Hunky_Monkey

Ken Burch wrote:

Niki Ashton should feel proud of her showing.  She more than doubled her raw vote totals and tripled her share of the vote from 2012.  This is especially impresssive when you factor the incredible level of irrational, dismissive, condescending hostility her campaign generated among the NDP Right.  And at this point, everyone who tried to dehumanize her by calling her "robotic" and who acted as if she had no business even running at all owes her a huge apology.  She grew immeasurably in stature in this campaign and has earned the respect of all for her performance and the strength of her message.  We have not seen the last of her.

Jesus... she got 17% of the vote and you think it's some big Ashton win?  Get a grip.  And sadly, she'll be around for awhile.  But I doubt she'll ever be leader.  Thank god.  Far too many New Democrats dislike her.

Hunky_Monkey

Mighty Middle wrote:

Jagmeet interviewed on CBC and he yet again brought up Electoral Reform as a major sticking point. If he does that, he will be like Mulcair where he spent too much time on C51. Both policies people don't care about, except the NDP base.

Do you think he's going to focus only on that issue, everyday, from now on until e-day in 2019?

BTW, Prime Minister Zoolander made a big deal out of electoral reform.  It was a lie of course.  Not a surprise.  But it's interesting you somehow think it's ok for Zoolander to stand for electoral reform but not ok for Singh?  Maybe it's because Singh isn't a liar like Zoolander?

Hunky_Monkey

pietro_bcc wrote:

On the topic of which candidate Trudeau was most scared of and whether he is scared of Singh.

He's not afraid of anyone in the NDP, the NDP is a spot of lint on his suit jacket as far as he's concerned. He sees his competition as the conservatives and to be fair we haven't earned fear from any party.

Since you were dead wrong in your predictions on this race... Singh would place third... I venture to guess you're wrong about this too.

I predict we're looking at a minority govenrnment in 2019.  The Liberals have around a 15 seat majority.  It's not much.  And Zoolander and his team know that.  Sooner than later, they'll go after Singh in some way to try not to lose seats to the NDP.

josh

Hunky_Monkey wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

Niki Ashton should feel proud of her showing.  She more than doubled her raw vote totals and tripled her share of the vote from 2012.  This is especially impresssive when you factor the incredible level of irrational, dismissive, condescending hostility her campaign generated among the NDP Right.  And at this point, everyone who tried to dehumanize her by calling her "robotic" and who acted as if she had no business even running at all owes her a huge apology.  She grew immeasurably in stature in this campaign and has earned the respect of all for her performance and the strength of her message.  We have not seen the last of her.

Jesus... she got 17% of the vote and you think it's some big Ashton win?  Get a grip.  And sadly, she'll be around for awhile.  But I doubt she'll ever be leader.  Thank god.  Far too many New Democrats dislike her.

Unlike Angus and Caron, she met, and actually exceeded, her poll numbers.  It wasn't a big win, and KB never claimed it was.  Only an arse such as yourself would read it that way.

no1important

Jagmeet signed up over 47,000 'new members' (Who really only signed up to vote for him and will never ever be involved with the party) received just over 35,000 to win first ballot. I dunno what to think of that....Does not seem in a way a swell of grass root support for him..... He will be just a third or fourth party leader anyway. The NDP has been the 4th party before and I believe will again if the BQ gain in Quebec...He also won't denounce poster of the matry who did Air India....He aint gettung my vote. he seems like a sleeze.  

 

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DLKmUyfXcAElBJH?format=jpg&name=large

 

 

pietro_bcc

Hunky_Monkey wrote:

pietro_bcc wrote:

On the topic of which candidate Trudeau was most scared of and whether he is scared of Singh.

He's not afraid of anyone in the NDP, the NDP is a spot of lint on his suit jacket as far as he's concerned. He sees his competition as the conservatives and to be fair we haven't earned fear from any party.

Since you were dead wrong in your predictions on this race... Singh would place third... I venture to guess you're wrong about this too.

I predict we're looking at a minority govenrnment in 2019.  The Liberals have around a 15 seat majority.  It's not much.  And Zoolander and his team know that.  Sooner than later, they'll go after Singh in some way to try not to lose seats to the NDP.

I changed my prediction to Singh placing second, just for the sake of clarity. In anycase, what evidence does anyone have that Trudeau is scared of Jagmeet Singh or anyone related to the NDP? It seems like just something people say, Trudeau's real competition will be Scheer.

pietro_bcc

Singh will gain seats in Ontario and BC, but lose all the marginal 3 way- 4 way races the NDP won in Quebec. The numbers are already bad in Quebec, they'll now get worse.

The NDP will lose the following seats in Quebec most likely: Jonquiere, Trois-Riviere, Drummond, Saint-Hyacinthe-Bagot, Beloeil-Chambly, Longueuil-Saint-Hubert, Salaberry-Suroit, Hochelaga and Outremont.

They might retain 5-6 seats on the strength of their incumbent members. The NDP will make up the 10 or so they lose in Quebec with gains elsewhere and at the end of the day the NDP might gain 10 seats in total if they're lucky.

But we'll be able to test my prediction soon, we'll see if they can hold Outremont when Mulcair retired at the end of the year.

 

Basement Dweller

The NDP seats in Quebec were in danger, regardless of who of the top three won. Singh will at least do better than Angus or Ashton would've.

Rev Pesky

From pietro_bcc:

Singh will gain seats in Ontario and BC...

Not necessarily in BC. There is an NDP government now in BC, and I suspect by the time of the next federal election the local electorate will have had enough NDP to last them for a while.

ctrl190

Anyone know what federal riding Singh will run in? His provincial riding Bramlea-Gore-Malton spills into four different federal ridings. 

pietro_bcc

He hasn't said, but if I had to guess as far as the general election is concerned Brampton East. Will he run in a by-election between now and then, impossible to know.

NorthReport

 

Do you mean like the disabled voters who received a disability income increase only to have to have their bus pass taken away at the same time by the Liberals? 

Rev Pesky wrote:

From pietro_bcc:

Singh will gain seats in Ontario and BC...

Not necessarily in BC. There is an NDP government now in BC, and I suspect by the time of the next federal election the local electorate will have had enough NDP to last them for a while.

NorthReport

What Singh Can Learn From Layton

New leader’s plan to stay out of Parliament until 2019 ‘a winning strategy,’ says Layton advisor Brian Topp.

 

 

https://thetyee.ca/News/2017/10/03/What-Singh-Can-Learn-from-Layton/

NorthReport

Singh Win a New Dawn for NDP, a Nightmare for Trudeau

Hip, new leader could erode Liberal urban base in Toronto and Vancouver, and Tories might pick up three-way splits.

 

https://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2017/10/03/Singh-Win-a-New-Dawn-for-NDP/

NorthReport

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