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I count NINE MPs for Mulcair so far
MP support for Mulcair rolls in has yet to declare candidacy; Politician is now using the line: 'When I'm ready to announce'Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/support+Mulcair+rolls/5410785/story.html#ixzz1Y6cDVl9v
Robert Aubin - 3 Rivieres
Francois Lapointe - Montmagny etc.
Jamie Nicholls -Vaudeuil-Soulanges
Tarik Brahmi - St Jean
Marc-Andre Morin -Laurentides =Labelle
Claude Patry --Jonquiere
Pierre Nantel -Longueil
Alexandrine Latendresse - Louis St Laurent
Marie-Claude Morin - St Hyacinthe=Bagot
I expect the McGill Four to follow suit soon and then a few surprises from the ROC.
If Megan Leslie cannot get the support- even if not right now- of even any of the young Quebec MPs, then I would not think she is not going to consider hersekf in the race. Which would be unfortunate, so maybe I should not be voicing such doubts.
And the idea of a Topp juggernaut was ridiculous even before hard evidence to the contrary.
I expect the McGill Four to follow suit soon and then a few surprises from the ROC.
You may be right, but I was hoping the "McGill Four" would show McGill's diversity by each backing one of, say, Leslie, Ashton, Julian and Mulcair.
But it may be that the thought of avoiding a "Quebec caucus juggernaut" will be lost as MPs jump a bit quickly onto Mulcair's bandwagon.
It's kind of ironic reading Muclair supporters complaining about the media and party insiders annointing frontrunners.
It saddens me to see the negativity of the last leadership thread. Glad to see a new one has opened up!
I have no idea who I am supporting yet but it is unfair to discount the work the Brian Topp has done. He has been a loyal New Democrat and is perfectly entitled to run...just like any other New Democrat. No he hasn't been elected before which obviously is going to be a major impediment but shouldn't disqualify him from running. We have a solid six months to see how he can handle the life of a politician.
Do I think that there has been some form of insider putsch towards coronation of Brian Topp as leader? I can't imagine that would be even possible...especially with OMOV. If you think that MPs are being discouraged from running for leadership because Topp is running, I would say that you aren't giving nearly enough credit to our MPs and their ability to make their own decisions.
I really like Mulcair and think he would make mincemeat out of the Conservatives on a daily basis. I also really like the cerebral Peter Julian. Romeo Saganash is a remarkable person who would make a great leader as well. Robert Chisholm has experience as opposition leader that could prove invaluable.
I'd be sad to hear that Peggy Nash or Megan Leslie have decided not to run. Every voice brings something valuable to the debate but the reality is that not everyone has leadership ambitions and running in a leadership race is a very taxing task and it can be difficult to be a strong constituency MP in the meantime.
It is early...only a week after federal council formalized the rules. In 2003 at this time, everyone assumed it was going to be a Blaikie v. Nystrom showdown. So much can (and likely will) happen before the election and I, for one, am really excited to see how it all unfolds!
BTW, I'd really love to see Hoang Mai run. He might not have the organization yet but one can build an organization in 6 months.
Here's the timeline from the last leadership race:
2002- June 5: Alexa McDonough announces she will step down as leader.
- June 5 - 7: The NDP Federal Council convenes.
- June 6: The leadership race begins.
- June 17: Bill Blaikie declares his candidacy.
- June 25: Pierre Ducasse declares his candidacy.
- July 22: Jack Layton declares his candidacy.
- July 30: Bev Meslo declares her candidacy.
- July 31: Lorne Nystrom declares his candidacy.
- August 13: Joe Comartin declares his candidacy.
- November 26: Final day for candidates to declare candidacy.
- December 10: Last day to become an NDP member who can vote.
2003- January 24: The convention begins in Toronto, Ontario.
- January 25: Ballots are counted, Layton declared victorious.
And here is what babblers were discussing back then: Topic: NDP leadership. The jockeying begins.I'm impressed by prescience of so many babblers in 2002.
That old babble thread is fantastic! Thanks, Krago.
So was it assumed that say James Carville should run for President someday after rescuing Clinton's nomination in 1992 and getting him into the White House? lol
thread drift/Anyone making book on how many rounds of this thread we will have before the convention?/end thread drift.
200.
It's going to be hard for me to sustain my current level of foreboding over six months and 200 threads, so I'll try to pace myself occasionally with optimism. I expect that to be too much to expect today, though, if as expected Saganash says he's out. Besides the loss of a quality candidate, I'm afraid it's indicative of a much smaller field than I'd expected just a few days ago, which would be a shame. The NDP has a lot of talent that needs showcasing to Canadians, regardless of who wins. Someone mentioned in the previous thread word that Broadbent is discouraging entries. Let's hope that's wrong, because I believe that would be a terrible self-inflicted wound for the party.
I hope Broadbent isn't doing that. I was told that he talked Boivin out of running. Whether that is true or not, I don't know. We all know she talked publicly about the possibility of running and was waiting to see what the rules would be.
That sounds just wrong on so many levels. Can't be true.
I can't remember the exact quote but I recall Broadbent saying that only Topp had the qualities to lead the party... and only Topp. I found that odd for him to say that.
I hope Mulcair is not intimidated by the recent goings on ..If Broadbent said what some claim , that isn’t good. If the disouragment from the power panel on CBC last nite wasn’t bad enough. Conservatives are scared shitless of Mulcair because he is the ONE that can beat their ass! It’s so obvious..just watch the misleading cons in action and laugh.
One thing is for certain ..Canada wants a strong leader..one that can stand up to the likes of a Harper, a fight fire w/ fire type…Mulcair fits the bill…gone are the whimpy “I’m a carpet , scrub yer feet on me days”…of the NDP..I HOPE!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0eQgUpkJ1Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns8LD5Q8ecc
thread drift/Anyone making book on how many rounds of this thread we will have before the convention?/end thread drift.
Well this is round 11 in the first week of a six month long campaign. So at least 250.
It saddens me to see the negativity of the last leadership thread. Glad to see a new one has opened up!
I have no idea who I am supporting yet but it is unfair to discount the work the Brian Topp has done. He has been a loyal New Democrat and is perfectly entitled to run...just like any other New Democrat. No he hasn't been elected before which obviously is going to be a major impediment but shouldn't disqualify him from running. We have a solid six months to see how he can handle the life of a politician.
Do I think that there has been some form of insider putsch towards coronation of Brian Topp as leader? I can't imagine that would be even possible...especially with OMOV. If you think that MPs are being discouraged from running for leadership because Topp is running, I would say that you aren't giving nearly enough credit to our MPs and their ability to make their own decisions.
I really like Mulcair and think he would make mincemeat out of the Conservatives on a daily basis. I also really like the cerebral Peter Julian. Romeo Saganash is a remarkable person who would make a great leader as well. Robert Chisholm has experience as opposition leader that could prove invaluable.
I'd be sad to hear that Peggy Nash or Megan Leslie have decided not to run. Every voice brings something valuable to the debate but the reality is that not everyone has leadership ambitions and running in a leadership race is a very taxing task and it can be difficult to be a strong constituency MP in the meantime.
It is early...only a week after federal council formalized the rules. In 2003 at this time, everyone assumed it was going to be a Blaikie v. Nystrom showdown. So much can (and likely will) happen before the election and I, for one, am really excited to see how it all unfolds!
You are right we shouldn't discount the work Brian Topp has done. Like when he worked for the most right-wing govt the NDP has ever had under Romanow here in Sk where they cut health care and education so bad that people here still hate the NDP. Or maybe we should consider his work like when leaks of him being the front runner came out the day after Jack Layton's funeral from the G and M the paper he writes for!
Now that Topp is on the outside, perhaps we will hear about his views on changing the party name to the Democratic Party or removing the word socialist from the constitution, but I doubt it. Also, if he tells us his views (unlikely), what were they before? did they change? Perhaps we will hear why the Federal NDP supported carbon taxes then opposed them, how the BC NDP supported carbon taxes then opposed them and now supports them again, but I doubt it. Perhaps we will hear why the costing of the last NDP platform (Topp co-chaired the committee that wrote it) was derided as science fiction, particularly because of the funny numbers on revenues from carbon permits, but I doubt it. Generally speaking, the next NDP leader is going to have to articulate some policies that give the party some economic cred. I see that this is going to be a focus of the new caucus. I look forward to seeing the positions of the candidates for leader, particularly on trade.
During the last federal NDP leadership contest, there were so many threads started that a new forum was created, the NDP. It lasted from June 2002 to January 2006.
They hated Romanow and the NDP so much they booted them out of office in 1995! Oh, wait... nope. They booted them out of office in 1999! Oh, wait... wrong again. Must have booted them out of office in 2003? Er...
The only reason the NDP kept getting elected because there was no real opposition after the decline of Grant Devine and the pC's. ANd people here don't like the Sask Party either. But the NDP is not a socialist party here. They crowded the center and now they have no identity.
That old babble thread is fantastic! Thanks, Krago.
Yes, and much of it was very prescient.
However:
There’s that urban myth again.
The 2006 census indeed showed 80% of Canadians living in an "urban area" as defined by Stats Can. That is, an area with urban density, and at least 1,000 people. Yes, 1,000 population. So it includes the 1,156 people of the urban area of "Hillsburgh" and the 2,831 people of the urban area of "Erin," in Erin Township north of Halton Hills which is therefore 64% "rural" and 36% "urban," according to Stats Can.
Stats Can requires census metropolitan areas to have an urban core with a population of at least 50,000. Indeed, 50,000 is a good cut-off number for "urban."
That makes Canada 64.2% urban, 35.8% small-town and rural, in the 2006 census.
In fact Layton’s NDP swept Northern Ontario and did well in all northern ridings.
Umm . . .
By-passed by history?
Although we do have some rural support and we should continue to stand up for rural issues the bulk of NDP support is in the cities and cultural centers.
You are right we shouldn't discount the work Brian Topp has done. Like when he worked for the most right-wing govt the NDP has ever had under Romanow here in Sk where they cut health care and education so bad that people here still hate the NDP. Or maybe we should consider his work like when leaks of him being the front runner came out the day after Jack Layton's funeral from the G and M the paper he writes for!
Brian is a strategist. I assume that he would realize the optics of leaking so shortly after the funeral. Unless I can see anything from him to prove that he was responsible, I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
That old babble thread is fantastic! Thanks, Krago.
Yes, and much of it was very prescient.
However:
There’s that urban myth again.
The 2006 census indeed showed 80% of Canadians living in an "urban area" as defined by Stats Can. That is, an area with urban density, and at least 1,000 people. Yes, 1,000 population. So it includes the 1,156 people of the urban area of "Hillsburgh" and the 2,831 people of the urban area of "Erin," in Erin Township north of Halton Hills which is therefore 64% "rural" and 36% "urban," according to Stats Can.
Stats Can requires census metropolitan areas to have an urban core with a population of at least 50,000. Indeed, 50,000 is a good cut-off number for "urban."
That makes Canada 64.2% urban, 35.8% small-town and rural, in the 2006 census.
FASCINATING POINT ...
However:
There’s that urban myth again.
The 2006 census indeed showed 80% of Canadians living in an "urban area" as defined by Stats Can. That is, an area with urban density, and at least 1,000 people. Yes, 1,000 population. So it includes the 1,156 people of the urban area of "Hillsburgh" and the 2,831 people of the urban area of "Erin," in Erin Township north of Halton Hills which is therefore 64% "rural" and 36% "urban," according to Stats Can.
Stats Can requires census metropolitan areas to have an urban core with a population of at least 50,000. Indeed, 50,000 is a good cut-off number for "urban."
That makes Canada 64.2% urban, 35.8% small-town and rural, in the 2006 census.
FASCINATING POINT ...
You are right we shouldn't discount the work Brian Topp has done. Like when he worked for the most right-wing govt the NDP has ever had under Romanow here in Sk where they cut health care and education so bad that people here still hate the NDP. Or maybe we should consider his work like when leaks of him being the front runner came out the day after Jack Layton's funeral from the G and M the paper he writes for!
Brian is a strategist. I assume that he would realize the optics of leaking so shortly after the funeral. Unless I can see anything from him to prove that he was responsible, I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
No proof just suspicion because of the way he answered the question in this interview, if you believe him fine. Sorry it wasn't the day after the funeral that is what leaked it was the day after HIS DEATH(now that i have watched the clip again)
http://watch.ctv.ca/news/#clip530760
It is pretty clear to me the events of the last few weeks show that he is trying to manipulate our reality
However:
There’s that urban myth again.
The 2006 census indeed showed 80% of Canadians living in an "urban area" as defined by Stats Can. That is, an area with urban density, and at least 1,000 people. Yes, 1,000 population. So it includes the 1,156 people of the urban area of "Hillsburgh" and the 2,831 people of the urban area of "Erin," in Erin Township north of Halton Hills which is therefore 64% "rural" and 36% "urban," according to Stats Can.
Stats Can requires census metropolitan areas to have an urban core with a population of at least 50,000. Indeed, 50,000 is a good cut-off number for "urban."
That makes Canada 64.2% urban, 35.8% small-town and rural, in the 2006 census.
FASCINATING POINT ...
Newest reports say that Saganash is in! Great news!!!
Whoa! Hold everything:
Quebec MP Romeo Saganash running for NDP leader's posthttp://www.montrealgazette.com/news/montreal/Quebec+Romeo+Saganash+runni...
How the hell did that happen? I thought he was supporting Topp!
Apparently Saganash will run for the leadership after all!
Now this is truly a day for optimism!
Whoa! Hold everything:
Quebec MP Romeo Saganash running for NDP leader's posthttp://www.montrealgazette.com/news/montreal/Quebec+Romeo+Saganash+runni...
Of couse we cannot preclude the possibility that Saganash is in the race as a bit of a "stalking horse" for Topp and that he will get lots of FN people to become members to vote for him - but he might send out word to preference Topp 2nd...just a possibility.
Great News. It makes you wonder why the media was reporting that he was suppporting Topp.
Fantastic news! If we get more candidates, this leadership race is going to be so amazing.
I just discovered this on Facebook and I am not endorsing or bashing this page, but I just wanted to pass it along (people here are either going to love/hate it):
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Brian-Topp-for-NDP-leader/214185208641755
In fact Layton’s NDP swept Northern Ontario and did well in all northern ridings.
Except the Yukon.
Fantastic news! If we get more candidates, this leadership race is going to be so amazing.
I just discovered this on Facebook and I am not endorsing or bashing this page, but I just wanted to pass it along (people here are either going to love/hate it):
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Brian-Topp-for-NDP-leader/214185208641755
Wow I didn't start that I swear! But it does echo my concerns.
Quebec MP Romeo Saganash running for NDP leader's posthttp://www.montrealgazette.com/news/montreal/Quebec+Romeo+Saganash+running+leader+post/5413799/story.html
Ladies and gentlemen, that sound you hear is the jaws of Western Canadian Conservative MPs dropping to the floor, knowing that the number of safe Conservative seats in Western Canada has now dropped considerably.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/second-reading/bruce-anders...
Of couse we cannot preclude the possibility that Saganash is in the race as a bit of a "stalking horse" for Topp and that he will get lots of FN people to become members to vote for him - but he might send out word to preference Topp 2nd...just a possibility.
Hmm.
Update on the Gazette link:
"Excellent news to see Romeo Saganash enter the race," Topp wrote. "What a team. I am anxious to debate and work with him."
There was no immediate response from Outremont MP Thomas Mulcair, widely believed to be another possible leadership contender.
Saganash's putative bid for the leadership comes as a surprise. On Thursday, there were reports he would back Topp.
Whatever may have transpired behind the scenes, I'm still excited to see him in.
Tweeted: "Saganash says his constituents who elected him deserved to be told first, gets a standing ovation"
As a supporter of Tom Mulcair, this is great news! Why? I care more about the health of the party than any one person/candidate. Having great candidates like Saganash in the race will showcase the great talent we have in the NDP.
I don't quite buy this stalking horse theory. It takes money, time, and a lot of energy to run a national leadership campaign. I can't see anyone wanting to do that just to benefit someone else.
Great News. It makes you wonder why the media was reporting that he was suppporting Topp.
According to the reporter himself on Twitter, Topp's people thought Saganash had agreed to endorse him, but Saganash changed his mind overnight.
I guess we'll see. But you can't say this race hasn't had drama, and it's only a few weeks old!
I can't resist..."Oh Romeo, Romeo. Wherefor art thou Romeo?"
Great News. It makes you wonder why the media was reporting that he was suppporting Topp.
According to the reporter himself on Twitter, Topp's people thought Saganash had agreed to endorse him, but Saganash changed his mind overnight.
I guess we'll see. But you can't say this race hasn't had drama, and it's only a few weeks old!
Should be showcased on Power and POlitics and maybe mentioned on Power Play
I think its all good. I WANT to see lots of strong candidates in the race and if 5 different people asked me to sign their nomination papers to run for leader - i would sign for every single one of them!
Generally speaking, the next NDP leader is going to have to articulate some policies that give the party some economic cred.
That's merely perpetuating a stereotype which is belied by the facts. But what it really means is . . . move to the right.
So Wilf do you have any sexual innuendo for Saganash.
I am so thrilled to hear this news! I haven't decided who I'm supporting yet, but it is wonderful to see an excellent First Nations candidate like Saganash enter the race and simultaneously overthrow all expectations of how it might transpire. He might even act as a wild card and win.
It's also somewhat satisfying that the media were wrong yet again.
Wow! Great news! And if he wins... holy toledo!!!
I want to see who Mathieu Ravignat supports. As far as I can tell he is the most left-wing MP we have. I base this on his house criticism of the budget, a nice video of him doing martial arts and the third link is him campaigning in the election and the last one shows him in his more radical days when he ran for the communist party
http://openparliament.ca/hansards/2375/24/only/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW1ZRtBkkCo
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Video+Mathieu+Ravignat+Candidate+Ponti...
http://www.montrealmirror.com/ARCHIVES/1997/052297/news7.html
Quote:
Ravignat is 24, a once-homeless political philosophy student who, at 19, planned to be a monk. He's eating better these days because the owner of Milos restaurant downstairs, an ex-communist, is feeding him free for the entire campaign. ("Sometimes these ex-communists make a lot of money and get guilty," Ravignat says.) He's solidly versed in communist theory, but interesting and very likeable. Embarrassingly, he looks like Chris O'Donnell. Imagine: Chris O'Donnell discussing American imperialism and the Albania-China split.
We go out door-to-door campaigning in the Hochelaga-Maisonneuve district. We meet an older man with statues of the Virgin Mary in his living room who tells us Jesus was the first Marxist, and then begins something approaching a tirade on immigrants, the Holocaust and the ills of foreign aid. We say a friendly goodbye. Ravignat tells me later he felt we'd got out of there just in time.
Ravignat talks to a youth sitting on his front stoop. The young man doesn't have a job or a phone. Ravignat tell him that the CP's plan for a 32-hour workweek will boost job creation and, in turn, consumption; humbly, the young chômeur replies, "I'm not a consumer. I'm a human being." He says he's found a way to live on welfare and is content with it. "When I want to eat, I buy potatoes and onions. I don't buy such-and-such a frozen brand-name dinner." His anarchism is so natural, so Montreal, that we are all at a bit of a loss. What's a workers' party to do, after all, when there is no work?
Ladies and gentlemen, that sound you hear is the jaws of Western Canadian Conservative MPs dropping to the floor, knowing that the number of safe Conservative seats in Western Canada has now dropped considerably.
My favourite post of the day!
Racy Toledo.
(just down the road)
(there is your sexual innuendo)
A Canadian Love Story: Say Yes!
Quebec MP Romeo Saganash running for NDP leader's posthttp://www.montrealgazette.com/news/montreal/Quebec+Romeo+Saganash+running+leader+post/5413799/story.html
Ladies and gentlemen, that sound you hear is the jaws of Western Canadian Conservative MPs dropping to the floor, knowing that the number of safe Conservative seats in Western Canada has now dropped considerably.
What's the % of the population in Western Canada that is FN?
Racy Toledo.
(just down the road)
(there is your sexual innuendo)
TheArchitect wrote:
According to CTV, Rathika is backing Peter Julian.
http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110915/NDP-caucus-retre...
Considering his admiring gazes at her during her maiden speech in Tamil and English, I'd say it's mutual.
I am hoping that moderate NDP'ers can keep the tone civil. Or is it only Topp and Mulcair that need to be shown respect. I was surprised that someone like Wilf would post such sexist claptrap and no one else seems to think it was inappropriate.
Just a little sexist joke about two NDP MP's. I'm sure if I had said it I would have been attacked by many on this board.
http://www4.hrsdc.gc.ca/.3ndic.1t.4r@-eng.jsp?iid=36
I can't answer that question off the top of my head, but I can tell you that the percentage of FN who vote is very low. If FN voters turn out in larger numbers, that's enough to put Desenethe-Misinippi-Churchill River, Palliser, and Saskatoon-Rosetown-Biggar over the top. Winnipeg North would also be in play, as well as Peace River, Fort McMurray-Athabasca, and Prince George-Peace River. Not to mention several medium-sized city Prairie seats that would come into play, like North Battleford, Prince Albert, Yorkton, Dauphin, Brandon, Selkirk, and maybe even Portage la Prairie. Maybe even a few more Alberta seats could be thrown into the mix.
I can't answer that question off the top of my head, but I can tell you that the percentage of FN who vote is very low. If FN voters turn out in larger numbers, that's enough to put Desenethe-Misinippi-Churchill River, Palliser, and Saskatoon-Rosetown-Biggar over the top. Winnipeg North would also be in play, as well as Peace River, Fort McMurray-Athabasca, and Prince George-Peace River. Not to mention several medium-sized city Prairie seats that would come into play, like North Battleford, Prince Albert, Yorkton, Dauphin, Brandon, Selkirk, and maybe even Portage la Prairie. Maybe even a few more Alberta seats could be thrown into the mix.
I can see seats that were extremely close. But you'd have to take into account a number of racist voters as well sadly.
But places like Fort McMurray-Athabasca where the Tories won with over 70% of the vote? Um...
Racy Toledo.
(just down the road)
(there is your sexual innuendo)
TheArchitect wrote:
According to CTV, Rathika is backing Peter Julian.
http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20110915/NDP-caucus-retre...
Considering his admiring gazes at her during her maiden speech in Tamil and English, I'd say it's mutual.
I am hoping that moderate NDP'ers can keep the tone civil. Or is it only Topp and Mulcair that need to be shown respect. I was surprised that someone like Wilf would post such sexist claptrap and no one else seems to think it was inappropriate. Just a little sexist joke about two NDP MP's. I'm sure if I had said it I would have been attacked by many on this board.
The mind boggles at the number of sstereotypes you have engaged in. Just about everything except sexist.
Dont remember having seen that post of Wilf's. You should never assume people read everything in threads or know what is being obliquely referred to.
You are making assumptions about both 'moderates'- who is one and what that is.... and some weird notion of the connection between that and demands of civility.
Personally, I havent seen ANY pattern- let alone a political/ideological one to straying from civility, pleas for it, whatever.
Hooray for Romeo! Even if he is a stalking horse, at least he is running and people will have a broader choice. With Topp, Mulcair, and Romeo there is a real race, where anyone could win if they run a good enough campaign. Now hoping that Leslie, Julian, and Nash (please reconsider) enter the race. Cullen would also be great (although I have some reservations).
A Harris -Decima poll on the leadership: http://www.harrisdecima.com/sites/default/files/releases/2011/09/09/hd-2011-09-09-en1224.pdf
One in five feels Olivia Chow would be the best leader for the NDP.
Nationally, 19% express this view, while 14% feel the best choice would
be MP Thomas Mulcair (of note Mr. Mulcair enjoys the support of 41%
of those in Quebec). Others garnering support were Gary Doer (6%),
Paul Dewar (3%), with Libby Davies, Brian Topp, Peter Julian and Robert
Chisholm receiving 2% apiece.
• Among New Democrats, 22% support Ms. Chow, 21% Mr. Mulcair, 7%
Mr. Doer, 4% Mr. Dewar, 4% Ms. Davies, 3% Mr. Julian, and 2% apiece
for Mr. Topp and Mr. Chisholm
It shows very similar results to an earlier Leger poll:http://www.torontosun.com/2011/09/12/ndp-leader-race-still-wide-open-poll
Seconding that.
It's a great day again to be a New Democrat.
I wanted to share this link as widely as possible:
They are hoping to get to 1000 likes. Now around 800. If you want Saganash to run you can like the facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Romeo-Saganash-For-NDP-Leadership/19243830...
(Doesn't mean I am back to post any opinions here but hopefully some will find the link useful)
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1055203--walkom-jack...
Quote:
If the NDP is to be more than an imitation Liberal Party, it will have to follow suit — not by mimicking the Conservatives but by rediscovering its own inner socialist self. So far, it’s not clear that the party Jack built is prepared to do that.
What's the % of the population in Western Canada that is FN?
I know Lewis Cardinal's campaign did some number crunching and decided there were 10,000 First Nations voters in Edmonton Centre. A riding I would have never guessed as having a signifigant First Nations population.
What's the % of the population in Western Canada that is FN?
I know Lewis Cardinal's campaign did some number crunching and decided there were 10,000 First Nations voters in Edmonton Centre. A riding I would have never guessed as having a signifigant First Nations population.
http://www4.hrsdc.gc.ca/.3ndic.1t.4r@-eng.jsp?iid=36
The 2006 (most recent available) census data is available at the pundits guide. Aboriginal (which includes first nations, metis and inuit) population has no doubt increased (esp. in Western Canada) since 2006.
Here are the top 50 ridings by % aboriginal. Edmonton Centre had 8,400 in 2006, so it could be 10,000 by now. It is surprising that Edmonton Centre has more aboriginal people than the Yukon does.
http://www.punditsguide.ca/census
Aborignal
% Count 2011 Election Margin
85.0% 24,920 Nunavut, NU Cons-Lib 21.2% 69.9% 52,405 Churchill, MB NDP-Cons 24.9% 66.4% 44,910 Desnethé - Missinippi, SK Cons-NDP 3.6% 50.3% 20,635 Western Arctic, NT NDP-Cons 13.7% 41.0% 26,180 Kenora, ON Cons-NDP 19.2% 38.0% 9,965 Labrador, NL Cons-Lib 0.7% 32.9% 26,300 Abitibi - Baie-James, QC NDP-Cons 22.0% 31.6% 28,930 Skeena - Bulkley Valley, BC NDP-Cons 20.8% 25.1% 7,580 Yukon, YT Cons-Lib 0.8% 24.9% 17,345 Prince Albert, SK Cons-NDP 30.3% 24.8% 24,895 Fort McMurray - Athabasca, AB Cons-NDP 58.6% 24.2% 17,915 Dauphin - Swan River, MB Cons-NDP 37.0% 20.7% 13,580 Regina - Qu'Appelle, SK Cons-NDP 15.1% 20.1% 17,930 Selkirk - Interlake, MB Cons-NDP 38.6% 19.3% 15,150 Winnipeg North, MB Lib-NDP 0.2% 19.0% 13,365 Battlefords - Lloydminster, SK Cons-NDP 39.8% 17.8% 14,150 Winnipeg Centre, MB NDP-Cons 26.0% 17.0% 11,670 Saskatoon - Rosetown, SK Cons-NDP 1.8% 16.2% 12,460 Algoma - Manitoulin, ON NDP-Cons 21.4% 14.2% 19,515 Peace River, AB Cons-NDP 59.6% 14.0% 11,560 Manicouagan, QC NDP-BQ 17.7% 13.6% 14,375 Cariboo - Prince George, BC Cons-NDP 26.0% 13.5% 13,515 Westlock - St. Paul, AB Cons-NDP 65.7% 12.4% 13,835 Chilliwack - Fraser Canyon, BC Cons-NDP 31.4% 12.4% 10,420 Thunder Bay - Rainy River, ON NDP-Cons 21.5% 12.2% 9,720 Timmins - James Bay, ON NDP-Cons 18.7% 11.5% 12,125 Prince George - Peace River,BC Cons-NDP 36.5% 11.4% 12,155 Wetaskiwin, AB Cons-NDP 70.0% 11.1% 9,040 Thunder Bay-Superior North,ON NDP-Cons 20.3% 10.8% 8,420 Elmwood - Transcona, MB Cons-NDP 0.9% 10.7% 11,470 Macleod, AB Cons-NDP 67.1% 10.4% 9,095 Provencher, MB Cons-NDP 52.7% 10.1% 10,340 Yellowhead, AB Cons-NDP 64.0% 9.8% 8,655 Sault Ste. Marie, ON Cons-NDP 4.2% 9.6% 6,915 Saskatoon - Wanuskewin, SK Cons-NDP 27.0% 9.3% 6,055 Yorkton - Melville, SK Cons-NDP 47.1% 9.0% 11,145 Nanaimo - Cowichan, BC NDP-Cons 10.6% 9.0% 7,520 Saint Boniface, MB Cons-Lib 19.5% 8.9% 7,950 Nickel Belt, ON NDP-Cons 27.0% 8.9% 10,065 Vancouver Island North, BC Cons-NDP 3.1% 8.4% 7,025 Brandon - Souris, MB Cons-NDP 38.6% 8.2% 5,825 Random - Burin-St. George's,NL Lib-Cons 17.7% 8.1% 6,820 Portage - Lisgar, MB Cons-NDP 66.2%7.9% 8,955 Kamloops-Thompson-Cariboo, BC Cons-NDP 15.3% 7.8% 9,855 Edmonton East, AB Cons-NDP 15.4% 7.8% 4,810 Souris - Moose Mountain, SK Cons-NDP 55.3% 7.7% 5,790 Wascana, SK Lib-Cons 4.0% 7.4% 7,285 Pontiac, QC NDP-Cons 16.2% 7.1% 8,400 Edmonton Centre, AB Cons-NDP 22.7% 7.0% 8,150 Simcoe North, ON Cons-NDP 34.6%
http://xfer.ndp.ca/leadership2012/NDP_Rulebook_EN.pdf
Here are the rules set by the party for the campaign.
A few things of note:
1. membership cut off date is Feb 18, 2012.
2. memberships need to be submitted "no later than the friday of the week following the day they have been signed up"
3. membership lists will be provided to candidates "upon receipt of the same from provincial/territorial sections" !!
4. if registered provincially, and membership runs annually, "the CEO shall determine eligibility of members to vote in the instance of lapsed membership"
5. you can opt to vote online "in real time on convention day for sequential ballots or prior to convention day by preferential ballot" ie we will have a real convention with floor movements being potentially key only this time we all get a vote.
Tweet from Megan Leslie this afternoon:
Glad to see @RomeoSaganash in the #ndpldr race. It's going to be an amazing race full of surprises, despite pundit predictions & write-offs!
Knownothing, I told everyone not to trust the media on Saganash - there was something about the way it was presented that did not add up - as if the story was more to discourage Saganash from running than something that was actually true when it was written. Glad he's in!
OttawaObserver - probably what happened is that the reporter asked Saganash's opinion on Topp and Saganash did not diss him.
Aristotleded24 thumbs up!
RE Topp: It does not surprise me that a person who wants to follow in the footsteps of Jack will try to appear loving, hopeful and optimistic - and willing to work with others - even one's opponents. Same would be true of Saganash - since one of his strengths is experience at negotiation.
I don't think one needs sexual innuendo. The Bloc brought up Saganash during The Apology:
"Roméo Saganash, himself a survivor of residential schools, told me the story of his brother, who died within a year of entering the school. His family never found out why he died, and it took 40 years-40 long years-for his mother to find the place where he had been buried. It is impossible to erase these indelible scars, impossible to heal the souls shattered by these memories."
http://www.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?Language=E&Mode...
His short speech, delivered with emotion, about how he wrestled with his decision, ended with his announcement that he will run.
Cheers of “bravo!” broke out from the crowd.
Saganash said the decision was difficult to make, the “hardest decision” he’s taken in 25 years.
And, acknowledging that he’s not Jack [Layton], he said he wants to realize Layton’s dreams for Canada.
Saganash later told reporters that he had only reached his decision late Sept. 15 — which explains why several earlier reports, including a widely-circulated report on the website of the magazine Actualité, suggested that Saganash would not run.
http://www.nunatsiaqonline.ca/stories/article/65674nunavik_mp_saganash_t...
Power and Politics was underwhelming on Saganash and Power Play didn't even mention him.
Bastards!
Of couse we cannot preclude the possibility that Saganash is in the race as a bit of a "stalking horse" for Topp and that he will get lots of FN people to become members to vote for him - but he might send out word to preference Topp 2nd...just a possibility.
Rather condescending piece of drivel . Is that Chief Stalking Horse to you? Stockholm why do you think it is right to suggest that Saganash is possibly just trying to do a bait and switch on his own constituency. Everything I have read about the man says he has far too much integrity to even contemplate such a gutter stunt.
Who are you supporting Stockholm?
Of couse we cannot preclude the possibility that Saganash is in the race as a bit of a "stalking horse" for Topp and that he will get lots of FN people to become members to vote for him - but he might send out word to preference Topp 2nd...just a possibility.
Rather condescending piece of drivel . Is that Chief Stalking Horse to you? Stockholm why do you think it is right to suggest that Saganash is possibly just trying to do a bait and switch on his own constituency. Everything I have read about the man says he has far too much integrity to even contemplate such a gutter stunt.
Who are you supporting Stockholm?
Besides, Greg Weston just said Saganash might possibly throw his support behind Mulcair.
I see that Saganash has received his first caucus endorsement from Abitibi—Témiscamingue MP Christine Moore.
This brings the caucus endorsement tally (not including the candidates themselves) to:
Mulcair — 9 (Robert Aubin, Tarik Brahmi, François Lapointe, Alexandrine Latendresse, Marc-André Morin, Marie-Claude Morin, Pierre Nantel, Jamie Nicholls, Claude Patry)
Julian — 3 (Brian Masse, Rathika Sitsabaiesan, Kennedy Stewart)
Saganash — 1 (Christine Moore)
Topp — 1 (Françoise Boivin)
Those numbers make me think that the media's narrative of Topp as an unstoppable juggernaut is frankly ridiculous. If he were really dominating the race as some seem to claim, he wouldn't be running tied for third (and actually fourth if we were to include the candidates themselves) in MP endorsements.
It's worth noting, by the way, that Julian is the only candidate to have been endorsed by any non-Quebec MPs; all the MPs endorsing Mulcair, Saganash and Topp are from the Quebec caucus. Julian is also the only candidate to have an endorsement from anyone who has been in the caucus for more than a few months.
Did anyone see Pat Martin's press conference calling for the Senators to stop campaigning in the provincial elections?
The best part was when he accidentally called Pamela Wallin Pamela Anderson lol
Did anyone see Pat Martin's press conference calling for the Senators to stop campaigning in the provincial elections?
The best part was when he accidentally called Pamela Wallin Pamela Anderson lol
Lol. Martin is on a roll lately!
Wonderful article about Paul Dewar in the Ottawa Citizen -
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/education%2BPaul%2BDewar/5415319/story.html
This is exactly the kind of person we need in the race in my view.
Excellent article on Dewar. I wish he was fluently bilingual. I'm hoping for a miracle and that Saganash becomes leader. I just think he would be awesome.
There's a piece in L'Actualite on Saganash's sudden change of mind. It says 15-20 Quebec MPs urged him to enter the race. Some because they want to support his candidacy, and some for the good of the party in order to avoid a Topp/Mulcair battle.
http://www.lactualite.com/politique/pourquoi-saganash-fait-volte-face?pa...
thread drift/Anyone making book on how many rounds of this thread we will have before the convention?/end thread drift.
Had James Carville decided to run, he'd have been a perfectly credible candidate. Do you actually have a point?
You are right we shouldn't discount the work Brian Topp has done. Like when he worked for the most right-wing govt the NDP has ever had under Romanow here in Sk where they cut health care and education so bad that people here still hate the NDP. Or maybe we should consider his work like when leaks of him being the front runner came out the day after Jack Layton's funeral from the G and M the paper he writes for!
Know nothing indeed. He worked for a government that had no alternative but to address the sea of red ink bequeathed to us by the hard right - and the only government in Canada that addressed the fiscal crisis by demanding tha the wealthy and privileged also pay their share.
The rationalization of health care administration (where the home care, the care home and the hospital in the same town would each have a sepaate board and bureaucracy) was long overdue to ensure that the various agencies and institutions coordinated their work to the benefit of patients.
It was also the Romanow government that introduced - even in the midst of the fiscal crisis - a community schools program that targetted extra support to schools in the most deprived area of the major cities.
So, as I say, "know nothing" is an accurat assessment of your knowledge of Saskatchewan politics.
Sold the gold share of the potash corp , Page 3
http://www.nfu.ca/press_releases/2010/potash_history.pdf
There is more than cutting services to get out of financial trouble you can raise taxes on the rich
Sold the gold share of the potash corp , Page 3
http://www.nfu.ca/press_releases/2010/potash_history.pdf
There is more than cutting services to get out of financial trouble you can raise taxes on the rich
Perhaps you noticed the adjective "cash-strapped." Clearly you have no clue about what was happening in Saskatchewan in the early 1990s.
Or would you have preferred Romanow just keep spending and borrowing and sending interest to your pals in the banks.
Those numbers make me think that the media's narrative of Topp as an unstoppable juggernaut is frankly ridiculous.
Yes. The media is ridiculous. The media's naratives are ridiculous.
The media is ridiculous. The media's naratives are ridiculous.
The media is ridiculous. The media's naratives are ridiculous.
The media is ridiculous. The media's naratives are ridiculous.
The media is ridiculous. The media's naratives are ridiculous.
If you find yourself reading one of these stranges stories that are damning with faint praise, remember:
The media is ridiculous. The media's naratives are ridiculous.
The media is ridiculous. The media's naratives are ridiculous.
The media is ridiculous. The media's naratives are ridiculous.
The media is ridiculous. The media's naratives are ridiculous.
If you start feeling angry or sick after reading media coverage of a particular candidate, remember:
The media is ridiculous. The media's naratives are ridiculous.
The media is ridiculous. The media's naratives are ridiculous.
The media is ridiculous. The media's naratives are ridiculous.
The media is ridiculous. The media's naratives are ridiculous.
And they are not our friends. The Toronto Star is doubting that the NDP will find its socialist heart? Yeah, funny that.
We have six months. There will be provincial elections in half the country. There will be all kinds of opportunity to see the candidates. None of them will be "untested". You think this isn't going to get into policy? You think this is going to be bland as opposed to competitve?
It's one member one vote across the board. No labour carve out, no weighted riding, and no delegates. Six months to the vote. I'm feeling good about everything I'm seeing. We're all used to having our complaints about the NDP--but do they match the reality?
At first people were talking about the need for an anybody-but-mulcair candidate. Then people were talking about Topp anointing himself. Newsflash--anyone who wants to be the next NDP leader is going to have to earn it.
And one last time,
The media is ridiculous. The media's naratives are ridiculous.
Exactly. We ourselves know very well what will resonate with regular Canadians because that's who we are, that's who our party represents. So don't listen to the media, or polls or whatever. We need to just get down to work.
This is a really good profile of Paul Dewar. If only his French was better - I would back him in a flash!!
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/education%2BPaul%2BDewar/5415319/story...
I would back him in a flash!!
And I would flush him for a buck!
Hey, how come I never noticed this before:
I trust Ed's judgement. From the beginning Ed backed a person for leadership of the party who not many felt had what it takes at the Federal level. That person was Jack Layton.
Although we do have some rural support and we should continue to stand up for rural issues the bulk of NDP support is in the cities and cultural centers.
Yes and no. Of the NDP's 103 seats, 56 are entirely urban, yes. (I'm using the definition of an urban area with 50,000 or more people.) And another 11 are more than two-thirds urban.
That leaves 36, not a trivial number. Of these, 17 are partly urban: two in Thunder Bay about 62% urban, Vaudreuil-Soulanges (60% in Montreal urban area), Jonquiere-Alma (54%), Chicoutimi – Le Fjord (57%), Riviere-du-Nord (57% in urban area of Saint-Jerome), Shefford (57% in urban area of Granby), Montcalm (47% in Montreal urban area), Chambly-Borduas (40%), Argenteuil-Papineau-Mirabel (13%), Beauharnois-Salaberry (10% in Chateauguay urban area), Compton-Stanstead (36% in Sherbrooke urban area), Berthier-Maskinonge (30% in Trois-Rivieres urban area), Portneuf - Jacques-Cartier and Montmorency-Charlevoix-Haute-Cote-Nord (both 24% in urban Quebec region); Nickel Belt (about 28% in Sudbury urban area) and Nanaimo-Cowichan (about 28% in Nanaimo urban area.)
The non-urban 19 are 12 in Quebec, 7 in the ROC: Saint-Hyacinthe-Bagot, Brome-Mississquoi, Joliette, Laurentides-Labelle, Saint-Maurice-Champlain, Montmagny—L'Islet—Kamouraska—Rivière-du-Loup, Rimouski-Neigette—Témiscouata—Les Basques, Gaspésie-Iles-de-la-Madeleine, Manicouagan, Pontiac, Abitibi—Témiscamingue, Abitibi—Baie-James—Nunavik—Eeyou, Acadie-Bathurst, Timmins-James Bay, Algoma-Manitoulin-Kapuskasing, Churchill, British Columbia Southern Interior, Skeena-Bulkley Valley and Western Arctic.
Considering his admiring gazes at her during her maiden speech in Tamil and English, I'd say it's mutual.
I was surprised that someone like Wilf would post such sexist claptrap and no one else seems to think it was inappropriate.
Nothing sexist about it. Look at the video of her maiden speech, on U-Tube. She's awesome. His admiring gazes are very obvious, and have nothing to do with sexual attraction. I'd have been gazing admiringly too, if I was sitting right beside her; Julian no doubt felt the same way.
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I trust Ed's judgement. From the beginning Ed backed a person for leadership of the party who not many felt had what it takes at the Federal level. That person was Jack Layton.
I like Topp, too, but if Ed really did say that only he can lead the party, well, that's ridiculous (and no better than all the people who are tearing him down, frankly). There are lots of good potential candidates. The point is to pick what you think is the best direction, not the only direction.
There's a piece in L'Actualite on Saganash's sudden change of mind. It says 15-20 Quebec MPs urged him to enter the race. Some because they want to support his candidacy, and some for the good of the party in order to avoid a Topp/Mulcair battle.
http://www.lactualite.com/politique/pourquoi-saganash-fait-volte-face?pa...
There's some more information in a piece in Le Devoir, including a Saganash quote saying that everybody in the party (including Topp) knew that his mind was not completely made up on Thursday.
Hey, how come I never noticed this before:
Same upper class, white, privilaged background as well. He could use McCain's version of Barbara Anne as his theme song. Its nice to see at least one candidate that doesn't fit that profile.
Curse you Olof Palme, for being born into an upper class and white background!
CURSE YOU 1000 TIMES!
Sold the gold share of the potash corp , Page 3
http://www.nfu.ca/press_releases/2010/potash_history.pdf
There is more than cutting services to get out of financial trouble you can raise taxes on the rich
When we win the next federal election we will be in a similar situation to Romanow after Devine and I hope you don't recommend similar measures. It will ruin the NDP's reputation for generations.
Continued here.