Newly re-elected, Trudeau vows to build TMX pipeline

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robbie_dee
Newly re-elected, Trudeau vows to build TMX pipeline

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While Trudeau might have to rely in this minority Parliament on vote support from the NDP and Green caucuses — two entities that have expressed strident opposition to Trans Mountain — the project's future does not depend on any one vote in the House of Commons.

In Canada, major natural resources projects like pipelines go through a regulatory review process led by the Canadian Energy Regulator (or, as it was known until recently, the National Energy Board) . It falls to cabinet, and cabinet alone, to give the project a final "yea" or "nay." And while those decisions are subject to judicial review, it's not up to individual parliamentarians to decide whether a particular project is approved.


 

Trudeau extends olive branch to Western Canada, vows to build Trans Mountain despite opposition (CBC)

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Well Robbie this article is a perfect example of why I am in a very pissed off mood today. Not a single mention of BC or the voters around the Salish Sea who sent a very clear message about pipelines. A message that not only our chattering classes but even most people on this board don't seem to understand. Our VI MP's i.e "environmentalists" are already being marginalized by the Conservatives on the Prairies its good to see that Trudeau's Central Canadian MP's will be whipped into beating the crap out of my environment as well. But don't worry none of those pipelines will disturb voters in Ontario or Quebec. There will be no bitumen spills in Montreal or in Ottawa or Toronto but if it happens in Vancouver where a main industry is tourism that's just a minor irritant for most Canadians and it doesn't affect those worthy oil and gas workers. Eco tourism workers are just expendable peons that no one even thinks about in the national debate about workers and employment.

 

NDPP

"A reminder that no election is going to fix what is so deeply broken in Canada..."

https://twitter.com/NaomiAKlein/status/1186712623825469440

See also Stop TMX!

http://rabble.ca/babble/activism/stoptmx

Sean in Ottawa

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Well Robbie this article is a perfect example of why I am in a very pissed off mood today. Not a single mention of BC or the voters around the Salish Sea who sent a very clear message about pipelines. A message that not only our chattering classes but even most people on this board don't seem to understand. Our VI MP's i.e "environmentalists" are already being marginalized by the Conservatives on the Prairies its good to see that Trudeau's Central Canadian MP's will be whipped into beating the crap out of my environment as well. But don't worry none of those pipelines will disturb voters in Ontario or Quebec. There will be no bitumen spills in Montreal or in Ottawa or Toronto but if it happens in Vancouver where a main industry is tourism that's just a minor irritant for most Canadians and it doesn't affect those worthy oil and gas workers. Eco tourism workers are just expendable peons that no one even thinks about in the national debate about workers and employment.

 

Certainly I agree that the perception of the West as a single entity in the minds of many in Canada is worthy of anger. However, taking this out on everyone east of you is counter-productive since the people here actually can see the differences between the provinces and indeed the regions of BC itself.

That said, you could also try to acknowledge that Eastern Canada is also not just one single place as well. Then we make some progress.

Then go for the full realization that not EVERYBODY in any of these places agrees with the majority view or how the plurality of people vote. collective punishment is not practical - especially on this board where most of us did not vote for the one who won in our ridings.

If you want to make a difference perhaps reconsider screaming at the people who actually want to agree with you instead of alienating them. At least on this board you have a chance to make a difference between having people agree with your position or wanting to treat you exactly as you treat others.

robbie_dee

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Alberta barks about separation but it's completely irrational for them. They are landlocked. In order to get their oil to tidewater they need pipelines and unless their neighbours agree they also need the central government to push them through. Now B.C, on the other hand, has resources, population, and its own ports. You have enormous mountains along your eastern border to help protect you from invasion, if it really comes down to that. If you want to stop a pipeline from going through your territory over your objection, you are the ones who need to threaten to separate.

Pondering

robbie_dee wrote:

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Alberta barks about separation but it's completely irrational for them. They are landlocked. In order to get their oil to tidewater they need pipelines and unless their neighbours agree they also need the central government to push them through. Now B.C, on the other hand, has resources, population, and its own ports. You have enormous mountains along your eastern border to help protect you from invasion, if it really comes down to that. If you want to stop a pipeline from going through your territory over your objection, you are the ones who need to threaten to separate.

The new Wexit movement wants to include Saskachewan, Manitoba, and part of B.C. The northern part I assume. 

They seem to think indigenous peoples will accept Canada and Alberta brokering a deal and FNs will just go along with it. Fat chance of that. Any move to independence for any province would result in FNs demanding their independence. Their treaties are with Canada not provinces. 

It's all just a big hissy fit because they think they can force concessions from Canada by threatening to separate. The Constitution was not reopened for Quebec and it won't be reopened for Alberta because reopening it is a can of worms.

robbie_dee

Pondering I spotted some awful grammatical and autocorrect errors in my above post, caused in part by the fact that I had originally composed on a tablet rather than something with a physical keyboard. I think I've fixed them now and would appreciate if you could update the section you quoted from me. On the substance I agree with you that right wing Wexit is a crazed delusion. I do still think a left-leaning or at least "localist" separation movement on the West Coast could really find some legs, though, and I am surprised it is not being talked up more.

Policywonk

Pondering wrote:

robbie_dee wrote:

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Alberta barks about separation but its completely irrational for them. They are landlocked. In order to get their oil to tidewater they need pipelines and unless their neighbourhood agree they also the central government to push them through. Now B.C, on the other hand, has resources, population, and it's own ports. You have enormous mountains along your eastern border to help protect you from invasion, if it really comes down to that. If you want to stop a pipeline from going through your territory over your objection, you are the ones who need to threaten to separate.

The new Wexit movement wants to include Saskachewan, Manitoba, and part of B.C. The northern part I assume. 

They seem to think indigenous peoples will accept Canada and Alberta brokering a deal and FNs will just go along with it. Fat chance of that. Any move to independence for any province would result in FNs demanding their independence. Their treaties are with Canada not provinces. 

It's all just a big hissy fit because they think they can force concessions from Canada by threatening to separate. The Constitution was not reopened for Quebec and it won't be reopened for Alberta because reopening it is a can of worms.

Northeastern BC. The Northwest is more NDP. Much of the Interior is Conservative, but its really only the Peace Country that has the affinity to Alberta.

NDPP

I have aways thought that Vancouver Island could be separate and viable independent of Canada.  Some serious heads should come together there with the Indigenous title holders to discuss such a possibility.

Pondering

robbie_dee wrote:

Pondering I spotted some awful grammatical and autocorrect errors in my above post, caused in part by the fact that I had originally composed on a tablet rather than something with a physical keyboard. I think I've fixed them now and would appreciate if you could update the section you quoted from me. On the substance I agree with you that right wing Wexit is a crazed delusion. I do still think a left-leaning or at least "localist" separation movement on the West Coast could really find some legs, though, and I am surprised it is not being talked up more.

Done. I can't type on a tablet.

I agree it makes more sense for B.C. to have a separatist movement. I would hate for it to happen. I think BC and Canada are still better off together. There is strength in numbers in today's world. Even though I have never been to BC I value it greatly as a part of Canada. 

If we were to renegotiate our partnership I would want Canadians to have a much larger voice including what goes on the agenda. I think Canadians would support more national programs. I would want to see a consulting group from every region and city in Canada. I would want to see big cities get together to discuss needs and how best to meet them. I would want farmers from every province to have a voice. 

As far as I can tell all the bickering over power between the feds and the provinces is about who gets to screw us over the most.