Queen of Chaos, The Misadventures of Hillary Clinton

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Sean in Ottawa

josh wrote:

Trust NDPP to take the latest Republican Party line.  

He posted the article and it is on topic. I think many on the left have had frustration with Clinton and that was part of what was behind her loss. Worth hearing at least in hte US if they want to avoid repeaing the mistake -- or in Canada as we are not immune.

josh

Alexander Nix, who heads a controversial data-analytics firm that worked for President Donald Trump’s campaign, wrote in an email last year that he reached out to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange about Hillary Clinton’s missing 33,000 emails.

On Wednesday, Assange confirmed that such an exchange took place.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-data-guru-i-tried-to-team-up-with-julian-assange

 

Cody87

josh wrote:

Alexander Nix, who heads a controversial data-analytics firm that worked for President Donald Trump’s campaign, wrote in an email last year that he reached out to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange about Hillary Clinton’s missing 33,000 emails.

On Wednesday, Assange confirmed that such an exchange took place.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-data-guru-i-tried-to-team-up-with-julian-assange

For clarity:

Cambridge Analytica did not provide comment for this story by press time. But after publication, Assange provided this statement to The Daily Beast: ”We can confirm an approach by Cambridge Analytica and can confirm that it was rejected by WikiLeaks.”

So a company that worked for the Trump campaign tried to get info from Wikileaks that Wikileaks almost certainly did not and does not have, and Wikileaks turned them down? Scandalous.

What does this have to do with the topic, anyway, except to distract?

NDPP

"Russia is not 'sowing discord' - the US corporate establishment has by rebooting the Red Scare to marginalize activism that challenges power." - Abby Martin

https://twitter.com/AbbyMartin/status/923666518847524866

NDPP

The Jimmy Dore Show

"Clinton colluded with Russia to smear  Trump during election."

https://youtu.be/waGnHlRIsWM

 

CrossTalk: Who Really Colluded?

https://youtu.be/9pSrXA5IgrU

"For over a year we have heard non-stop that somehow, in some way Trump colluded with Russia to win the presidential election. We have yet to see the evidence of this. However it appears more likely that it was the Democratic Party that did the colluding."

bekayne

So Clinton colluded with Russia to lose the election. Got it.

josh

Conservative out fit originally hired dossier firm.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/28/560544607/conservative...

josh

NDPP wrote:

The Jimmy Dore Show

"Clinton colluded with Russia to smear  Trump during election."

https://youtu.be/waGnHlRIsWM

 

CrossTalk: Who Really Colluded?

https://youtu.be/9pSrXA5IgrU

"For over a year we have heard non-stop that somehow, in some way Trump colluded with Russia to win the presidential election. We have yet to see the evidence of this. However it appears more likely that it was the Democratic Party that did the colluding."

The whole post reads like a bunch of Trump tweets.

josh

Cody87 wrote:

josh wrote:

Alexander Nix, who heads a controversial data-analytics firm that worked for President Donald Trump’s campaign, wrote in an email last year that he reached out to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange about Hillary Clinton’s missing 33,000 emails.

On Wednesday, Assange confirmed that such an exchange took place.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-data-guru-i-tried-to-team-up-with-julian-assange

For clarity:

Cambridge Analytica did not provide comment for this story by press time. But after publication, Assange provided this statement to The Daily Beast: ”We can confirm an approach by Cambridge Analytica and can confirm that it was rejected by WikiLeaks.”

So a company that worked for the Trump campaign tried to get info from Wikileaks that Wikileaks almost certainly did not and does not have, and Wikileaks turned them down? Scandalous.

What does this have to do with the topic, anyway, except to distract?

What doyou mean Wikileaks didn't have?

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/john-podesta-wikileaks-hacked-ema...

josh

bekayne wrote:

So Clinton colluded with Russia to lose the election. Got it.

At the nexus of RT and Fox.

NDPP

Hillary Clionton Keeps Pointing Fingers

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/10/28/hillary-clinton-keeps-pointing-fin...

"We should be enlightening people as to the corrupt and very violent nature of individuals such as Hillary Clinton..."

JKR

bekayne wrote:

So Clinton colluded with Russia to lose the election. Got it.

That's actually what happened according to the "journalists" at Fox News, Breitbart, The Drudge Report, Infowars, etc....

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

The incredible irony is that with her shrewish nature, her war criminal past and her rapist husband, SHE DIDN'T EVEN NEED THEIR HELP!

bekayne

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

The Left: notice how Clinton is too cowardly to even be on her own Monopoly Community Chest card!  She has to enlist one of her many billionaire donors to pose for the picture!!

NDPP

Debbie Lusignan: The Real Story of Election Fraud in 2016

https://youtu.be/cbhDYBY_qzI

"The real power-players were all with Hillary Clinton."

Mobo2000

Cody:  Thanks for the long responses at posts 247 and 248.   Hope you don't think the leading question was unfair... it was leading but upfront on my own position first, so I thought it fair.  I largely agree with your comments and where I don't you've given me some stuff to think about.   So thanks.  Especially appreciate this point:

"Further than this. The right believes that individual racism against minorities has fallen so far that it is now less prevalent than racism against the majority. And the right believes that structural or "institutionalized" racism exists - but only exists against white people and sometimes Asians.

It should be so easy for the leaders of the left to deconstruct this narrative and yet it seems that they are deliberately trying to add fuel to these perceptions instead."

I'm not as optimistic that the leaders of the left can combat this narrative easily, but I hope they get better at it.  

NDPP

Fusion, Collusion & Modern Feudalism (E591 - and vid)

https://www.rt.com/shows/watching-the-hawks/407811-media-hysteria-econom...

"RT's Ed Schultz dissects the developing story behind Hillary Clinton's funding of the Fusion GPS Trump dossier."

Cody87

josh wrote:

Cody87 wrote:

josh wrote:

Alexander Nix, who heads a controversial data-analytics firm that worked for President Donald Trump’s campaign, wrote in an email last year that he reached out to WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange about Hillary Clinton’s missing 33,000 emails.

On Wednesday, Assange confirmed that such an exchange took place.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-data-guru-i-tried-to-team-up-with-julian-assange

For clarity:

Cambridge Analytica did not provide comment for this story by press time. But after publication, Assange provided this statement to The Daily Beast: ”We can confirm an approach by Cambridge Analytica and can confirm that it was rejected by WikiLeaks.”

So a company that worked for the Trump campaign tried to get info from Wikileaks that Wikileaks almost certainly did not and does not have, and Wikileaks turned them down? Scandalous.

What does this have to do with the topic, anyway, except to distract?

What doyou mean Wikileaks didn't have?

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/john-podesta-wikileaks-hacked-ema...

Hillary's 33000 missing emails are the emails from her home server. Wikileaks released John Podesta's emails (originally obtained by unidentified "hackers" because he fell for a phishing scam and passed to Wikileaks) and the DNC's emails which were either hacked by Russia (*eye roll*) or given to Wikileaks by an insider. These are three different sets of emails. Wikileaks has never released nor claimed to have the emails from Hillary's home server.

josh

NDPP wrote:

Fusion, Collusion & Modern Feudalism (E591 - and vid)

https://www.rt.com/shows/watching-the-hawks/407811-media-hysteria-econom...

"RT's Ed Schultz dissects the developing story behind Hillary Clinton's funding of the Fusion GPS Trump dossier."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/25/fox-news-first-trump-dossier-funded-by-clinton-campaign-dnc-close-hillary-allies-at-center-russia-probe.html

The real fusion going on here is the fusion of RT and Fox.  Bot the Russians and the Trumpites are sweating bullets.  As their election duplicity comes closer and closer to being fully revealed.

josh

The conservative media sphere, fueled by an orchestrated White House public relations campaign, has a theory for the biggest legal and national security question facing Washington, and it has nothing to do with the Trump-Russia scandal.

Instead, it has to with a thoroughly debunked and verifiably false charge: that Hillary Clinton gave Russia “20 percent of our uranium” as secretary of state.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/31/16581234/hillary-clinton-uranium-one-russia-scandal-trump

NDPP

Democrats, Class and Russia-gate Magic

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/10/31/democrats-class-and-russia-gate-ma...

"It must take hours of dedicated practice to become such virtuosos of self-deception..."

SeekingAPolitic...

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks...

This pretty crazy story on how Hillary Clinton bailed out DNC before the nomination in exchange for controlling the party.  I am a Bernie fan so maybe I read this through that lens please fell free to educate me otherwise about the opening statement sentence.

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“Gary, how did they do this without me knowing?” I asked. “I don’t know how Debbie relates to the officers,” Gary said. He described the party as fully under the control of Hillary’s campaign, which seemed to confirm the suspicions of the Bernie camp. The campaign had the DNC on life support, giving it money every month to meet its basic expenses, while the campaign was using the party as a fund-raising clearing house. Under FEC law, an individual can contribute a maximum of $2,700 directly to a presidential campaign. But the limits are much higher for contributions to state parties and a party’s national committee.

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 “Wait,” I said. “That victory fund was supposed to be for whoever was the nominee, and the state party races. You’re telling me that Hillary has been controlling it since before she got the nomination?”

"Gary said the campaign had to do it or the party would collapse.

“That was the deal that Robby struck with Debbie,” he explained, referring to campaign manager Robby Mook. “It was to sustain the DNC. We sent the party nearly $20 million from September until the convention, and more to prepare for the election.”"

josh

The situation was really DWS's and Obama's fault.  But Clinton took advantage of it.  Didn't change the outcome.

SeekingAPolitic...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3W2GIZ8rN0

The Young Turks, I have been waiting all day to get there response to DNC story. Not disappointed.

NDPP

TRNN: Donna Brazile Confesses That DNC Rigged Primaries (and vid)

https://t.co/YfeK338RiR

"Former DNC Interim Chair Donna Brazile confirms money-laundering scheme between the Democratic National Committee and the Hillary Clinton campaign..."

SeekingAPolitic...

BREAKING 

I don't want to call anyone strong words but (namely Brazile/) seems to be trying to sell more books.  Someone just leaked the document to NPR.

Lets compare Brazile to the leaked document. Part of leaked contract.  Sorry I lost link but its NPR website. If I can find again I will post the link. find it.

http://www.npr.org/2017/11/03/561976645/clinton-campaign-had-additional-...

HFA's obligations under this agreement, and the release of the Base Amounts each month are conditioned on the following:

  1. With respect to the hiring of a DNC Communications Director, the DNC agrees that no later than September 11, 2015 it will hire one of two candidates previously identified as acceptable to HFA.
  2. With respect to the hiring of future DNC senior staff in the communications, technology, and research departments, in the case of vacancy, the DNC will maintain the authority to make the final decision as between candidates acceptable to HFA.
  3. Agreement by the DNC that HFA personnel will be consulted and have joint authority over strategic decisions over the staffing, budget, expenditures, and general election related communications, data, technology, analytics, and research. The DNC will provide HFA advance opportunity to review on-line or mass email, communications that features a particular Democratic primary candidate. This does not include any communications related to primary debates – which will be exclusively controlled by the DNC. The DNC will alert HFA in advance of mailing any direct mail communications that features a particular Democratic primary candidate or his or her signature.

4.If asked by a State Party, the DNC will encourage the State Party to become a participant in the Victory Fund

"Nothing in this agreement shall be construed to violate the DNC's obligation of impartiality and neutrality through the Nominating process. All activities performed under this agreement will be focused exclusively on preparations for the General Election and not the Democratic Primary. Further we understand you may enter into similar agreements with other candidates

 

Brazile 

The agreement—signed by Amy Dacey, the former CEO of the DNC, and Robby Mook with a copy to Marc Elias—specified that in exchange for raising money and investing in the DNC, Hillary would control the party’s finances, strategy, and all the money raised. Her campaign had the right of refusal of who would be the party communications director, and it would make final decisions on all the other staff. The DNC also was required to consult with the campaign about all other staffing, budgeting, data, analytics, and mailings.

Warren is going have egg her face over this.  She doubled down the rigged part.

Weaver is going look bad too.

Bernie was silent for a reason and above is the reason.

josh

It was not money laundering.  I suggest you and Donnie look up the definition. Although Donnie doesn't need to.  And the primary wasn't rigged.  That she controlled the DNC had no impact on how people voted. 

JKR

josh wrote:

It was not money laundering.  I suggest you and Donnie look up the definition. Although Donnie doesn't need to.  And the primary wasn't rigged.  That she controlled the DNC had no impact on how people voted. 

You mean Bernie wasn't disqualified from running?!?!?!

NDPP

Secret Clinton DNC Agreement Proves Donna Brazile Right.

https://twitter.com/JulianAssange/status/926689591939256320

 

Tulsi Gabbard: DNC Rigged The Presidential Primary 

https://youtu.be/K0a5t5XeMfU

 

josh

Thankfully, as can be seen by his reaction to the news then and now, Sanders has more perspective and maturity than some of his supporters.

NDPP

The Truth About Bernie Sanders

https://twitter.com/zachaller/status/926527757487546368

"...His call to his delegates to face 'reality' and support Clinton was an insulting repudiation of the reality his supporters, mostly young men and young women, had overcome by lifting him from an obscure candidate polling at 12 percent nto a serious contender for the nomination. Sanders not only sold out his base, he mocked it. This was a spiritual wound, not a political one. For this he must ask forgiveness." - Chris Hedges

It Was Election Fraud Ultimately..

https://youtu.be/AWHCNDxYdLU

Hillary & her 'sheep-dog' Bernie...

SeekingAPolitic...

Nature of Bernie's relationship with the DNC personal thoughts.  

Bernie is wedded to the DNC, once I thought that Bernie could run independently of Dems or at least a tiny chance.  But I have reconsidered that position, he try to change the DNC through primary challenges. Bernie plays his role well in the kabuki dance that DNC and Bernie perform but they are joined at the hip.  Both these entities want something the other wants.  Bernie wants the resources that DNC controls and the DNC covets Bernie donor list and far more importantly wants Bernie supporters.  From all friction between these 2 parties they will continue to dance that mysterious kabuki dance. 

But beyond what Bernie does above he also provides a very important role of being a democratic safety value.  Imagine a steam boiler the DNC and Bernie is the safety valve on that boiler.  As frustration raises because the inept nature DNC people get frustrated and pressure builds.  What Bernie represents is relive valve people can leave the party and can safely picked up by the Bernie ideas.  Bernie harnesses the frustration many people have with the DNC builds a force that can used in the next election to help the democratics win.  That is steam generated is focused rather than turning to apathy, anger, trumpism, etc it will safely be recycled and used for democratic party purposes as long as Bernie message is implemented to some extent. 

NDPP we similar ideas but I am not as negative, but maybe more cynical though, i am slow typer you beat to the punch

 

josh

NDPP wrote:

The Truth About Bernie Sanders

https://twitter.com/zachaller/status/926527757487546368

"...His call to his delegates to face 'reality' and support Clinton was an insulting repudiation of the reality his supporters, mostly young men and young women, had overcome by lifting him from an obscure candidate polling at 12 percent nto a serious contender for the nomination. Sanders not only sold out his base, he mocked it. This was a spiritual wound, not a political one. For this he must ask forgiveness." - Chris Hedges

It Was Election Fraud Ultimately..

https://youtu.be/AWHCNDxYdLU

Hillary & her 'sheep-dog' Bernie...

Putin and his poodle Donnie.

Cody87

josh wrote:

It was not money laundering.

Right, so we have josh on record defending the evasion of campaign finance law because it's not technically money laundering, and...

Quote:
And the primary wasn't rigged.  That she controlled the DNC had no impact on how people voted. 

Also on record defending political candidates controlling their parties before they've even won leadership, as well as on record claiming that wielding such power has no benefit in influencing voters.

 

One question: If controlling the DNC provided no advantage to Clinton against Bernie, then why did she bother?

NDPP

The Democratic Money Behind Russia-gate   -   by Joe Lauria

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/10/29/the-democratic-money-behind-russia...

"...The Democratic Party-led Russiagate offensive was intended not only to explain away Clinton's defeat but to stop Trump - possibly via impeachment or by inflicting severe political damage - because he had talked, insincerely it is turning out, about detente with Russia. That did not fit in with the plan at all."

JKR

This all seems to be a huge diversion from the worst US presidency since the Civil War era.

NDPP

"Add to the list of things Putin has weaponized against Hillary Clinton, her own party's leadership. Only thing left to weaponize - HRC herself. If you were waiting for the Clinton people to accuse Donna Brazile of being in league with Russia - wait no more!"

https://twitter.com/russiaexplainer/status/927053972271239169

josh

Cody87 wrote:

josh wrote:

It was not money laundering.

Right, so we have josh on record defending the evasion of campaign finance law because it's not technically money laundering, and...

Quote:
And the primary wasn't rigged.  That she controlled the DNC had no impact on how people voted. 

Also on record defending political candidates controlling their parties before they've even won leadership, as well as on record claiming that wielding such power has no benefit in influencing voters.

 

One question: If controlling the DNC provided no advantage to Clinton against Bernie, then why did she bother?

It was not a breach of campaign finance laws.  What was unusual is that it usually occurs when there is an issue incumbent in the White House.  The DNC needed the money to keep afloat.  I'm no fan of Clinton's, but while it would have been better had her campaign not done this, it did not affect the outcome of the race.  

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josh wrote:

It was not a breach of campaign finance laws.  What was unusual is that it usually occurs when there is an issue incumbent in the White House.  The DNC needed the money to keep afloat.  I'm no fan of Clinton's, but while it would have been better had her campaign not done this, it did not affect the outcome of the race.  

So it wasn't illegal, it still doesn't pass the smell test. It is anti-democratic corruption for one candidate to literally own the refs, and it looks very bad on HRC and the DNC. They appear more like Tammany Hall than a modern, allegedly democratic, political organization.

This disgusting, if not illicit, behaviour may or may not have affected the result. We certainly heard plenty of complaints from Sanders supporters during the campaign that the DNC was favouring Clinton in any number of ways. The most obvious was the number and timing of debates, clearly intended to provide minimal national exposure for any challenger to HRC.

I think it is perfectly clear that Sanders would have gotten more votes in the primaries if Clinton had not been controlling the DNC. The only question is whether the increase would have been enough to change the overall outcome of the race. I'd set the odds at about 2-1 in favour of Clinton still winning, but 2-1 shots come in at the race track every day of the year.

epaulo13 epaulo13's picture

AFL-CIO calls for a break with “lesser of two evils” politics

The AFL-CIO convention here passed yesterday a political resolution that calls for a break with “lesser of two evil politics” but came up short when it comes to projecting a clear path to how that will be accomplished.

“The time has passed when we can passively settle for the lesser of two evils,” reads the main political resolution passed Tuesday by the AFL-CIO convention delegates. Lee Saunders, chair of the AFL-CIO’s political committee and president of AFSCME, and Randi Weingarten, president of the American Federation of Teachers, introduced the resolution. They lead the labor federation’s two largest unions. Convention managers yoked the resolution to another measure it also approved discussing a labor party, though not by name.

“For decades the political system has failed working people,” Weingarten said. “Acting on behalf of corporations and the rich and powerful, the political system has been taking away, one after another, the pillars that support working people’s right to good jobs and secure benefits.”

The two measures, adopted October 24, followed a late Monday-evening meeting of supporters of reviving the Labor Party idea. It attracted about 50 delegates to an upstairs meeting room at the convention’s lead hotel. Their contention: Both the Democrats and the Republicans are under corporate domination.

The prime mover of a Labor Party motion at the convention, Postal Workers President Mark Dimondstein, has been calling for such a new formation since the passage of NAFTA in 1993, which he said showed both Democrats and Republicans were in the pockets of the corporate class.....

JKR

FairVote USA has a solution to ending the two party system and introducing more choices, namely "ranked choice voting." It would be used for electing one person or many persons.

http://www.fairvote.org/rcv

NDPP

Yes, criticizing Hillary Clinton is now anti-Semitic. I kid you not.

https://twitter.com/AmirAminiMD/status/927969926849155073

"Is Hillary Clinton the Jewish Scapegoat of Our Time?"- Forward

voice of the damned

I checked the Forward piece. I don't agree with their overall viewpoint(which is anti-Sanders, among other things), but the general thrust of the article is that anti-Hillary sentiment is similar to anti-semitism, not that it is an example of it.

I'm also not entirely comfortable with that thesis either, but just thought I should set the record straight.

NDPP

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/8EHlkAgWk6w

"Journalists caught lying to protect Clinton over DNC."

 

'It's Never Too Late To Escape The Cult...' - Abby Martin

https://twitter.com/AbbyMartin/status/928409665158881280

"It's never too late to escape the cult. Hillary lost b/c of DNC's extreme hubris in pushing the most unlikeable, corrupted warmonger to run b/c it was 'her turn', expecting progressives to fall in line while catering only to GOP. Russia didn't do that, Hillary's campaign did that."

NDPP

Rigged Election Confirmed... (and vid)

https://www.rt.com/shows/redacted-tonight-summary/409544-election-leak-b...

"Host Lee Camp discusses Donna Brazile's admission that the 2016 Democratic primary was rigged in favor of Hillary Clinton..."

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