Stйphane Dion dumps candidate for article on 9/11

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Unionist, it wasn't only Lesley Hughes comments about Israel that got Hughes dumped, it was her specific reference to an Israeli business having advance warning of WTC attacks:

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"Israeli businesses, which had offices in the Towers, vacated the premises a week before the attacks, breaking their lease to do it."

Its unfortunate Hughes made this statement because its not supported by the evidence. One of the many things to avoid in this minefield of an issue.

Further though, there was more to her being dropped than that comment. It was about her entire take on 9/11. As an example of the thing the Dion and the Libs seek to avoid aligning themselves, take the National Post's caustic [url=http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/09/27/...

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Stйphane Dion was right to jettison Lesley Hughes, the Liberal candidate in the Winnipeg riding of Kildonan-St. Paul. Her poisonous views have no place in a major Canadian party.

Ms. Hughes, a former CBC radio host who until recently edited the socialist magazine Canadian Dimension, is sympathetic to the so-called 9/11 Truth Movement.

Ms. Hughes then went on to repeat a variation of the Internet canard that legions of Jews avoided death in the Twin Towers because the Mossad knew the attacks were coming and warned them: “Israeli businesses, which had offices in the Towers, vacated the premises a week before the attacks, breaking their lease to do it.”


This hit piece from NP also brought Bev Collins into the matter:

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Even more damning was Collins’ participation in a creepy 2007 9/11 “truth” conference in Vancouver,..

Yet unlike Stйphane Dion, NDP leader Jack Layton has so far refused to cleanse his candidate ranks of a 9/11 conspiracy theorist.

If Mr. Layton wants to convince Canadians that the NDP is a truly mainstream party, he must strike Bev Collins from his candidate list.


I give Jack Layton full marks for his support of Bev Collins. In fact, I am aware of scores of people who may be changing their vote to NDP as a result.

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The Cons are asking for Collins dismissal:

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Ottawa NDP continue to flirt with fringe
September 30, 2008

Jack Layton must renounce past links to 9/11 conspiracy movement and fire his candidate

Jack Layton and the Ottawa NDP must immediately renounce their links to the repugnant extremism of the so-called “9/11 Truth” conspiracy movement and fire candidate Bev Collins for her radical views, Conservative candidate James Moore said today.

Jack Layton is also a self-professed ‘friend’ of notorious 9/11 conspiracy theorist Barrie Zwicker, a self-styled documentary filmmaker who continues to advance the theory that the United States government was complicit in the 9/11 terrorist attacks.


[url=http://www.conservative.ca/EN/1091/106644]Conservative site[/url]

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blogbart

Unionist, it wasn't only Lesley Hughes comments about Israel that got Hughes dumped, it was her specific reference to an Israeli business having advance warning of WTC attacks:

quote:

"Israeli businesses, which had offices in the Towers, vacated the premises a week before the attacks, breaking their lease to do it."

Its unfortunate Hughes made this statement because its not supported by the evidence. One of the many things to avoid in this minefield of an issue.

Further though, there was more to her being dropped than that comment. It was about her entire take on 9/11. As an example of the thing the Dion and the Libs seek to avoid aligning themselves, take the National Post's caustic [url=http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/09/27/...

quote:

Stйphane Dion was right to jettison Lesley Hughes, the Liberal candidate in the Winnipeg riding of Kildonan-St. Paul. Her poisonous views have no place in a major Canadian party.

Ms. Hughes, a former CBC radio host who until recently edited the socialist magazine Canadian Dimension, is sympathetic to the so-called 9/11 Truth Movement.

Ms. Hughes then went on to repeat a variation of the Internet canard that legions of Jews avoided death in the Twin Towers because the Mossad knew the attacks were coming and warned them: “Israeli businesses, which had offices in the Towers, vacated the premises a week before the attacks, breaking their lease to do it.”


This hit piece from NP also brought Bev Collins into the matter:

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Even more damning was Collins’ participation in a creepy 2007 9/11 “truth” conference in Vancouver,..

Yet unlike Stйphane Dion, NDP leader Jack Layton has so far refused to cleanse his candidate ranks of a 9/11 conspiracy theorist.

If Mr. Layton wants to convince Canadians that the NDP is a truly mainstream party, he must strike Bev Collins from his candidate list.


I give Jack Layton full marks for his support of Bev Collins. In fact, I am aware of scores of people who may be changing their vote to NDP as a result.

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The Cons are asking for Collins dismissal:

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Ottawa NDP continue to flirt with fringe
September 30, 2008

Jack Layton must renounce past links to 9/11 conspiracy movement and fire his candidate

Jack Layton and the Ottawa NDP must immediately renounce their links to the repugnant extremism of the so-called “9/11 Truth” conspiracy movement and fire candidate Bev Collins for her radical views, Conservative candidate James Moore said today.

Jack Layton is also a self-professed ‘friend’ of notorious 9/11 conspiracy theorist Barrie Zwicker, a self-styled documentary filmmaker who continues to advance the theory that the United States government was complicit in the 9/11 terrorist attacks.


[url=http://www.conservative.ca/EN/1091/106644]Conservative site[/url]

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Fidel

ALL [b]FOUR[/b] big money Liberal and Conservative parties in the U.S. and Canada support the phony war on terror.

And very few warmongering plutocrats in Canada or the U.S. dare question the validity of the reasons for military occupations in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Canadian Michel Chossudovsky talks about [url=http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10144]9-11 and the "American Inquisition"[/url]:

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The legitimacy of the inquisition is not questioned. The "Global War on Terrorism" justifies a mammoth defense budget at the expense of health, education, and virtually every single category of (civilian) public expenditure.

The "Global War on Terrorism" requires "going after" the terrorists, using advanced weapons systems. It upholds a preemptive religious-like crusade against evil, which serves to obscure the real objectives of military action.

The lies underlying 9/11 are known and documented. The American people's acceptance of this crusade against evil is not based on any rational understanding or analysis of the facts.

America's inquisition is used to extend America's sphere of influence and justify military intervention, as part of an international campaign against "Islamic terrorists". Its ultimate objective, which is never mentioned in press reports, is territorial conquest and control over strategic resources.


Fidel

ALL [b]FOUR[/b] big money Liberal and Conservative parties in the U.S. and Canada support the phony war on terror.

And very few warmongering plutocrats in Canada or the U.S. dare question the validity of the reasons for military occupations in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Canadian Michel Chossudovsky talks about [url=http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=10144]9-11 and the "American Inquisition"[/url]:

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The legitimacy of the inquisition is not questioned. The "Global War on Terrorism" justifies a mammoth defense budget at the expense of health, education, and virtually every single category of (civilian) public expenditure.

The "Global War on Terrorism" requires "going after" the terrorists, using advanced weapons systems. It upholds a preemptive religious-like crusade against evil, which serves to obscure the real objectives of military action.

The lies underlying 9/11 are known and documented. The American people's acceptance of this crusade against evil is not based on any rational understanding or analysis of the facts.

America's inquisition is used to extend America's sphere of influence and justify military intervention, as part of an international campaign against "Islamic terrorists". Its ultimate objective, which is never mentioned in press reports, is territorial conquest and control over strategic resources.


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Pffft, the CPC are only worried that she might beat out Dickie Harris and she must be close ort hey would not be screaming from a position that is legless considering they believe: 'crime is linked to "immigration" and that in order to prevent these "immigrants" from being even more heinious criminals we need to start locking them up at 14'.

I was actually quite disappointed that this connection was not made in the leader's debates. As it is quite obvious that these life sentences for the 14 year olds committing "serious" crimes is actually a racially based policy.

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Pffft, the CPC are only worried that she might beat out Dickie Harris and she must be close ort hey would not be screaming from a position that is legless considering they believe: 'crime is linked to "immigration" and that in order to prevent these "immigrants" from being even more heinious criminals we need to start locking them up at 14'.

I was actually quite disappointed that this connection was not made in the leader's debates. As it is quite obvious that these life sentences for the 14 year olds committing "serious" crimes is actually a racially based policy.

Fidel

Collins and Hughes have ovarios. Big ones.

Stephane Harper and Steven Dion radiate impotence. Weak and ineffective leaders propped up by big money.

And I must admit I was surprised by Liz May's comments on the phony war in Afghanistan. We need more women in Ottawa for sure.

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Originally posted by unionist:
[b] I do, however, have my own views about those who dedicate their lives to the pursuit of the notion that the U.S. is all-powerful.[/b]

If you do have the answers, unionist, then there are several 9-11 Commission panelists and god knows how many other people around the world will want to hear from you. Because apparently neocons and embedded shadow gov officials were so powerful as to stymie a public enquiry, and 9-11 panelists and German high court justices not powerful enough to overrule U.S. "national security." Americans and Canadians have been told by several people involved that there were legitimate questions which went unanswered by the slip-shod 9-11 investigation leading to a highly questionable report. Justice delayed is justice denied. Millions of Canadians and Americans just want to know the truth, and that the reason for a global war on terror has more merit and legal substance than just the [url=http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=WRI20070... of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed[/url], tortured out of him after five years in an American military gulag. KSM is a mysterious man rumored to have held out under torture longer than any other alleged members of "al Qa'eda" held illegally at Guantanamo. Do you believe it, unionist? They will likely do a Jack Ruby on him, and then it really won't matter. False flag op complete and check mate.

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Fidel

Collins and Hughes have ovarios. Big ones.

Stephane Harper and Steven Dion radiate impotence. Weak and ineffective leaders propped up by big money.

And I must admit I was surprised by Liz May's comments on the phony war in Afghanistan. We need more women in Ottawa for sure.

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Originally posted by unionist:
[b] I do, however, have my own views about those who dedicate their lives to the pursuit of the notion that the U.S. is all-powerful.[/b]

If you do have the answers, unionist, then there are several 9-11 Commission panelists and god knows how many other people around the world will want to hear from you. Because apparently neocons and embedded shadow gov officials were so powerful as to stymie a public enquiry, and 9-11 panelists and German high court justices not powerful enough to overrule U.S. "national security." Americans and Canadians have been told by several people involved that there were legitimate questions which went unanswered by the slip-shod 9-11 investigation leading to a highly questionable report. Justice delayed is justice denied. Millions of Canadians and Americans just want to know the truth, and that the reason for a global war on terror has more merit and legal substance than just the [url=http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=viewArticle&code=WRI20070... of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed[/url], tortured out of him after five years in an American military gulag. KSM is a mysterious man rumored to have held out under torture longer than any other alleged members of "al Qa'eda" held illegally at Guantanamo. Do you believe it, unionist? They will likely do a Jack Ruby on him, and then it really won't matter. False flag op complete and check mate.

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Wilf Day

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Originally posted by unionist:
[b]The real anti-Semites are those who identify the Jewish people with the crimes of the state of Israel.[/b]

Then what do you call[url=http://www.cjnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=14538&It... your friend Tom Mulcair:[/url]

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Thomas Mulcair revealed one reason why he is very supportive of the Jewish people and of the State of Israel.

"My wife, Catherine Pinhas, born in France and whose family is of Turkish origin, is a descendant of the Sephardic Jews expelled from Spain in 1492. When we think about 1492, we think of Christopher Columbus and his arrival in America. But for Sephardic Jews, 1492 refers to their expulsion from Spain by the Catholic Monarchs. One of the most graceful acts I've seen in politics in my lifetime occurred in 1992 when King Juan Carlos I of Spain went to ask forgiveness from the Jews in a synagogue in Madrid. My wife's parents are Holocaust survivors. Their story is part of my daily life. That is why I am an ardent supporter of all the bodies and all the circumstances of Israel."


Unionist

I don't know, Wilf. You tell me what that last sentence means. And I don't mean the opening sentence by the CJN reporter. I mean the direct quote from Mulcair (which looks to me rather like a garbled sentence, doesn't it?).

Mulcair is entitled to his private opinions. If he publicly supports the crimes of the Israeli state, I will condemn him as a false friend of the Jews (besides whatever other terms come to mind at the time).

What about you?

Fidel

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[b]The real anti-Semites are those who identify the Jewish people with the crimes of the state of Israel[/b]

But doesn't this also apply to 9-11 perpetrators? If we accept the American inquisition that al Qaida is solely responsible, then doesn't that contribute to U.S. justification for holy old jihad against an unseen enemy in far away lands rich in energy potential and possessing strategic value to the U.S. military?

Wilf Day

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Originally posted by unionist:
[b]You tell me what that last sentence means.[/b]

"C’est pourquoi je suis un ardent supporter de toutes les instances et de toutes les circonstances d’Israлl.” My translation may be inadequate. You tell me.

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Originally posted by unionist:
[b]If he publicly supports the crimes of the Israeli state, I will condemn him as a false friend of the Jews (besides whatever other terms come to mind at the time).

What about you?[/b]


Not being Jewish, I would not presume to say who is a true friend or false friend of the Jews.

But I see no heroes in the pretty well unbroken tragedy of the Middle East. Whether Rabin might have become the exception we will, unfortunately, never know. It would be nice to think there was, and is, some hope. Not this year, likely.

Fidel

[url=http://www.opednews.com/articles/9-11-And-War-On-Terror-Q-by-Heinrich-Bu... And "War On Terror" Questioned In Japan's Parliament[/url] again!

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On October 22, 2008, Yukihisa Fujita, Congressman for the Democratic Party of Japan made a 20 minute speech on the floor of the Japanese Diet or House of Representatives. For the third time this year he directly questioned the official version of 9/11.

At the same time he called on the government to stop all support for the US-led military operations. After presenting reports of heavy civilian and military losses in Iraq and Afghanistan he went on to describe the Kucinich impeachment debate in US-Congress and its wide support by representatives of the House.


Yay Kucinich!

Unionist

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Originally posted by Wilf Day:
[b]"C’est pourquoi je suis un ardent supporter de toutes les instances et de toutes les circonstances d’Israлl.” My translation may be inadequate. You tell me.[/b]

Mulcair supports Israel. He always has. I think he's dead wrong. But he also is a smart politician. He supports a "two-state solution", says he supports the rights of all to live in peace and enjoy their national rights, etc. All in all, his position sucks. But the only close-to-decent words I've heard on the subject from the federal NDP have been from Svend Robinson (no longer around) and Alexa McDonough (during the invasion of Lebanon, for example). Otherwise, there's nothing much to distinguish any of them.

Look, what can I say? I voted for Mulcair, twice, because he took an unabashed stand on a few issues, including Afghanistan. I prefer a Canadian politician who says "withdraw from Afghanistan" and "I love Israel" to the opposite. Pretty feeble, I know, but I don't want to spoil my ballot.

Fidel

How does every second thread turn into a discussion about a tiny Middle Eastern frontline state in the colder war on democracy? They bring up 9-11 and the phony war on terror surrounding it, and then refuse to discuss it! [img]confused.gif" border="0[/img]

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Fidel

[url=http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/10/27/... Kay on the humbling frustrations of debating 9/11 "Truthers"[/url] Jonathan Kay knows what's up about 9-11. He's a writer for the Irrational Ghost, and he finds it a lot easier to write "Whatever Crazy George's team said goes, called it -stamped it" instead of doing some actual investigative news journalism himself. Never mentions the Pilots for 9-11 Truth, nor the U.S. Military officers for 9-11 Truth. No mention of the 9-11 Commission whistle blowers calling it a sham. Whatever our American friends and Crazy George the Second say must be considered gospel. Case closed!!

Unionist

[i]Canadian Dimension[/i] defends their staffer, Lesley Hughes:

[url=http://canadiandimension.com/articles/2008/11/06/2169/]Hughesgate - The Ugly Truth[/url]

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Does it surprise us that some blogger deliberately distorted a column Lesley Hughes wrote in 2002 in his zealous efforts to embarrass her by proving that she is an anti-Semite? Hardly. Bloggers can lie. Some are desperate to be noticed. And they are unaccountable to any publication or organization. ...

Does it surprise us that my-Israel-right-or-wrong organizations like the B’nai Brith and the Canadian Jewish Congress would shout “anti-Semite” based on a blogger’s lying account? Hardly. When it comes to Israel, their first priority is to silence any opposition — or, in Lesley’s case, any questioning — by acts of intimidation and ridicule. Surely it is obvious by now that confusing criticism of Israel with anti-Semitism only allows the political Right to silence legitimate questions about Israel’s place in the crumbling imperial order. ...

What did she actually write in her newspaper column back in 2002? She reported a story circulated in five mainstream publications and networks: Fox News, the Telegraph (U.K.), Agence France-Presse, the Israeli daily Haaretz, the Jerusalem Post and the German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung. The story claimed that Mossad had warned the U.S. government, including the CIA, that an attack on the Twin Towers was imminent; that it had also warned Israel nationals with offices in the Towers. Hughes commented that unfortunately they were the only ones to take these warnings seriously as they vacated the premises.

The blogger who originally found the Hughes column neglected to report that she was merely passing on this account. Instead, he made it appear that it was her invention or one she had adopted from so-called conspiracy theorists. From this emerged all the name-calling that has likely ruined the reputation of a thoughtful and respectful journalist, someone who has spent the better part of her life writing and standing up for the rights of the downtrodden — a journalist and activist who has vehemently defended freedom of speech for others, and now finds it is lacking to defend herself.


Stockholm

I'd still like to know how a columnist for a far left magazine like Canadian Dimensions ended up running as a candidate for the rightwing Liberal Party? Maybe she can write an article for the next issue of CD telling us all about how incredibly progressive Paul Martin was as Finance Minister.

Lord Palmerston

I've wondered why a radical journalist would run for the Libs as well.

Fidel

from unionist's link:

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The story claimed that Mossad had warned the U.S. government, including the CIA, that an attack on the Twin Towers was imminent; that it had also warned Israel nationals with offices in the Towers. Hughes commented that unfortunately they were the only ones to take these warnings seriously as they vacated the premises.

I've read similar elsewhere, and now I can't find it. But it said the Israeli's gave warnings to the CIA, which were said to deliver those warnings to the Bush WhiteHouse. They were ignored. The Israeli's claimed to have then appealed to the Russians to send warnings, hoping that country would add to the credibility of the warnings. Then, warnings were delivered from intel agencies from around the world. Still no response from the White House. The NSA and CIA have very many bloggers and internet spooks in their hire, too.

This wouldnt be the first time that the CIA-NSA ignored, or were told to stand down, while foreign operatives and assassins were sent to do dirty work on U.S. soil. They knew Pinochet's DINA agents were crawling all thru Washington leading up to Orlando Letelier's murder. Ruthless motherfuckers they are.

And boo-hiss to Ken Dryden

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Unionist

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Originally posted by Lord Palmerston:
[b]I've wondered why a radical journalist would run for the Libs as well.[/b]

Why don't you write to her and ask? The editorial says she will have to answer for this decision herself.

But my purpose in opening this thread was to deplore the lynch-mob mentality against a progressive journalist. I would have done the same had she been a Conservative candidate. What I find disturbing in some of the posts here is the willingness of some to weigh her Liberal candidacy in the balance when deciding if she is an anti-Semite or not. I find that truly frightening - don't you?

Fidel

They think they can scare away anybody with the simple smear of anti-semitism. This is bigger than the Liberal Party. That party is all about not bucking our imperial masters, and certainly their's is not to question the American inquisition surrounding 9-11. The bad brown people did it, and that's all the world needs to know for the purpose of carrying on with a phony war on terror. Not now John we've got to get on with the film show!!

janfromthebruce

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You’ve left out the fluoride-zombie public, whose mindless acquiescence to this sort of ‘journalism’ is as much to blame as the action of any right-wing christo-fascist.

That right-wing christo-fascist would be [url=http://jasoncherniak.blogspot.com/]Cherniak on Politics[/url] and since after this election (where the horse he backed lost big time - Dion) said he lost interest in blogging.

He his seal to smear NDP candidates he ended up inadvertently taking out Lesley Hughes a lib candidate.

Fidel

Here's a new one [url=http://www.l911t.com./]Lawyers for 9/11 Truth[/url]

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[b]Why Lawyers for 9/11 Truth?[/b]

Lawyers are trained to value the Constitution and the rule of law.

We are trained to examine evidence and to spot cover-ups or inconsistencies in the evidence and bias in witnesses or decision-makers.

Attorneys are also experts in weighing conflicting evidence.

For all of the above reasons, many lawyers have concluded that the 9/11 Commission and other government examinations were wholly inadequate, and did not follow proper rules of evidence or procedure.

We are demanding an end to the 9/11 cover-up, and a full investigation by unbiased people with subpoena power . . . and the courage to demand that the Constitution and rule of law are followed, and all guilty persons held accountable for their actions.


Fidel

[b]9/11: ATTACK ON THE PENTAGON - Official Release[/b]

[url=http://investigate911.se/9-11ATTACKONTHEPENTAGON-OfficialRelease.html]ht...

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Pilots For 9/11 Truth brings you analysis never seen before regarding the Attack On The Pentagon. Highly technical analysis presented in a way that the layman will appreciate and understand. A 757 reported to have caused the damage at the Pentagon on September 11, 2001 is analyzed based on topography, obstacles, flight data, physics, and witness statements

Where does "Popular Mechanics"(long-time CIA front) stand now?

Unionist

For the second time, can't this thread be about Lesley Hughes and phoney charges of anti-semitism? There are plenty of open 9/11 conspiracy threads, like [url=http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=1&t=006638]this one[/url], if you're tired of talking about Lesley Hughes.

Fidel

Perhaps you should put in a request to yourself for a change of thread title to read:

[b]Party hardliners crack down on dissenting member[/b](and any rif raf daring to discuss Hughes' views on 9/11 will be dealt with!)

Hughes and Dion have been blackballed by Liberal Party brass. What's to discuss about that old line party and their undemocratic methods?

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Fidel

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Originally posted by unionist:
[b]
What I find disturbing in some of the posts here is the willingness of some to weigh her Liberal candidacy in the balance when deciding if she is an anti-Semite or not. I find that truly frightening - don't you?[/b]

But at the same time, you refuse to entertain any notion that Leslie Hughes may actually have tapped into a news story worthy of an investigative news journalists' pursuit of the truth.

[url=http://www.cmvt.com/]This is a subsidiary of an Israeli telecommunications company[/url] operating in the U.S. They sell high tech spying equipment to US law enforcement agencies for purposes of doing sophisticated wiretaps. No more alligator clips and some creepy guy on a phone poll outside, or even "Joe Turner" sneaking into a Bell central office switching centre to pull a caper. CIA-NSA spooks can now setup in any building in the country, and with a few keystrokes on a PC listen in to any phone conversation any where any time.

I don't know if Leslie Hughes mentions this company, but this is real scary stuff, unionist. "Conspiracy theorists" as you refer to thousands of people demanding and working pretty hard to force a legitimate enquiry, have claimed that 9-11 terrorists enjoyed intelligence contacts inside the U.S. leading up to 9-11. That was entirely feasible. The 9-11 Commish acknowledged that the apparently well organized terrorists had accessed security codes for communication for several U.S. state departments as well as Airforce One. That's amazing considering that no one U.S. government official had access to more than one of those classified departmental security codes at any given time. The countries Israel and Pakistan had classified status wrt the 9-11 investigation and but was never publicized until 9-11 truthers uncovered that themselves. Comverse Infosys.

[url=http://www.amdocs.com/Site/AmdocsCom.htm]amdocs[/url], another telecom company operating in the U.S. and with ties to the Israeli government, does the billing for over 90 percent of telephone companies in the U.S. and more worldwide. It is impossible to make a telephone call and not leave a record of it with amdoc. Telephone call records of the type amdocs produces were suspected of falling into the hands of foreign governments, specifically Israel, in the recent past. I don't care what anyone says, those are deregulation induced giant conflicts of interest, and it smells pretyy bad even without mentioning 9-11.

Michelle

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