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Three Byelections Called

jerrym
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Three byelections have been called on November 26th in order to replace: Denise Savoie (NDP - Victoria, BC); Lee Richardson (Con - Calgary Centre, Alberta); and (last and least) Bev Oda (Con- Durham, Ontario). While the NDP has a candidate chosen in Victoria, the nomination meeting in the other 2 ridings have not been held. Since Savoie won by 16,000 votes, this should be an easy NDP victory. However, the NDP, IMO, missed an opportunity to make its candidates in the other two ridings better known by having earlier nomination meetings and then starting campaigning before the official byelection call. It is obvious that Harper sees the rise of Trudeau and Liberal popularity (however long this bubble lasts) as an opportunity to split the opposition vote giving his candidates a better chance of winning. Nevertheless, byelections give the population a chance to send a message to a government that has been arrogant, extremely ideological, disrespectful of Parliament and scandal-ridden.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/inside-politics-blog/2012/10/by-election...

Murray Rankin, "a prominent Canadian environmental and aboriginal rights lawyer ... former President of the British Columbia interest Advocacy Centre (BCPIAC), former president of West Coast Environmental Law , and past Chairman of The Land Conservancy of British Columbia" is the candidate in Victoria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray_Rankin)

The NDP have set Oct.27th as the selection date for their candidate in Calgary Centre and have three candidates nominated: Brian Malkinson, Matthew McMillan, and Dan Meades. Scott Payne pulled out to support Meades.   

"Former MPP and Brock Township mayor Larry O’Connor announced earlier today on Twitter that he would be running for the NDP nomination in that riding. I don’t have it confirmed, but am hearing that October 30 is the likely date. If O’Connor is uncontested, he would join Conservative Erin O’Toole, Liberal Grant Humes, and a Green to be named later." (http://www.punditsguide.ca/2012/10/more-by-election-candidate-news/)


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jerrym
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Kyle Hatt has given six reasons why a Durham by-election might not be a conservative sure thing.

 "1. Bev Oda’s Personal Popularity - Okay, it seems odd to type that, but there is no way of knowing how many of Bev’s 2011 votes were for her personally. People from across Canada know Oda because of her scandals but people in her riding would know her a lot more personally. They would have seen her at local events, gotten her parliamentary mailers and read her often in the local paper. It’s possible some people voted for her and wouldn’t vote for just any other Conservative.

2. Money - Further to the above point, Oda has been out spending her opponents in all recent elections. In 2011 she spent $ $63,186.89 while the NDP only spent $3.5K and came in second (The Liberals spent 53). Campaigns matter in politics and if the opposition parties (or at least the NDP) are planning to spend the limit then it could change the dynamic. Extra money means extra leaflets, more staff, more advertising, etc. 

3. Durham hasn’t been targeted recently. - I guess there is no way to measure this objectively but it probably hasn’t been targeted by the NDP before (it wouldn’t make sense pre-exln41) and probably not by the Liberals for a while (probably not since 2006).

4. Any Conservative candidate could be tainted by Oda’s scandals – While it’s not a given, there is a possibility that the voters could reject any conservative candidate because of Oda’s scandals. Voters in her riding have been hearing about this for months (years) and have also been hearing Conservatives defend her… It could be a pox on their house.

5. Any Conservative could be tainted by the Budget - Personally, I think this could be a major factor. There was a widespread expectation in the punditry that the conservative government thought that the unpopular measures in the recent budget would be forgotten by the next federal election. Even if that is true (I don’t think it is), they won’t be forgotten by the time this by-election rolls around. I would bet that the cuts to environmental regulations, changes to the OAS, etc., will come up at the debates and the door steps.

6. The Polls have shifted since the last election – I’ve written previously about the NDPs polling gains …. But the short story here is that the Conservative numbers in Ontario are as much as a quarter lower than they were in May 2012, while the NDP numbers are a third higher. Although Oda had a majority of voters in exln41, this trend makes it a far less of a sure thing that those people would still vote CPC.

Bottomline: A strong opposition candidate and a full campaign team, a strong pre-election effort and a little luck and Durham could be moved out of the CPC column."

http://kaylehatt.ca/6-reasons-why-a-durham-by-election-might-not-be-a-co...

 


felixr
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Didn't the NDP have to remove a candidate in Durham a while back because of bigotted comments they had made? Larry O'Connor sounds like a massive improvement!


felixr
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Here it is: link

Larry O'Connor has the kind of CV the NDP should have been able to pull for a candidate in Calgary Centre. This is what a government in waiting looks like when it heads into a byelection. Well done Durham NDP!

Mulcair in Durham this September link


felixr
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Does anyone know if John O'Toole (Durham MPP) and Erin O'Toole (Durham Conservative MP candidate) are relatives?


jerrym
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Upon checking the 2011 election results, I found Denise Savoie won by "only" 13,745 votes, not the 16,000 quoted above from another article. Still sounds like a very safe NDP seat, especially with an outstanding candidate, Murray Rankin, running for the NDP. The 2011 election results for the Victoria ridings are shown below.

Denise Savoie (x) NDP 24,967 51.3%

Patrick Hunt CON 11,222 23.1%

Christopher Causton LIB 6,439 13.2%

Jared Giesbrecht GRN 6,050 12.4%

http://site.citytv.com/federalelections/304.html

 


David Young
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Any surprise that he called them before the Etobicoke Centre decision next week?

 


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felixr wrote:
Does anyone know if John O'Toole (Durham MPP) and Erin O'Toole (Durham Conservative MP candidate) are relatives?

Father and son. Which could actually be good for making the voters "forget Oda". (Of course, good for the Cons, as opposed to good for Babblers.)


jerrym
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David Young wrote:

Any surprise that he called them before the Etobicoke Centre decision next week?

 

Of course, the triple byelection call and campaign provides a distraction from the possible overturning of the election of Conservative MP Ted Optiz's election in Etobicoke Centre because of election irregulairities, followed by the question of why doesn't the government call this fourth potential byelection at the same time as the other three. Harper probably wants to delay this possible byelection call as long as possible in the hopes that, if he has to call a byelection, it is called when it is not as fresh in the minds of the ridings voters, nor affecting the voters in the other three byelections. 


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In case some are concerned that Murray Rankin might be a remote policy wonk academic from the above description of him as university professor, lawyer, and head of environmental organizations, let me alay any concerns in that regard with this description of his nomination meeting victory by Vaughn Palmer, who is definitely not an NDP partisan. He even defeated Elizabeth Cull, a former NDP provincial finance minister. 

Four candidates were in the running for a nod seen by New Democrats as the closest thing to a sure ticket to Ottawa. ...

Given the stakes, almost 600 party members including a who’s who of capital region New Democrats turned out Sunday, overwhelming organizers who’d not printed enough ballots or booked a big enough meeting room at the University of Victoria.

Once those shortcomings were supplemented with a second hall and a second printing, proceedings settled down for what was expected to be a long afternoon, with multiple rounds of balloting and a gabfest in between. 

So the outcome, when it came, was anticlimactic if decisive. Winning handily with 352 votes on the first ballot was Murray Rankin, a 62-year-old lawyer, civil libertarian, environmentalist and UVic professor.

He’d rounded up two-thirds of the votes over also-rans Elizabeth Cull, a former provincial cabinet minister; Charley Beresford, a former school board chair; and Ben Isitt, still in his first year as a member of city council.

Not surprising to see Beresford (51 votes) and Isitt (36) finish well out of the running. But I figured Cull to do better than her 96 votes. She was one of the better ministers in the Mike Harcourt NDP government, serving in health, environment, finance and as deputy premier. ...

Rankin, seeking office for the first time, arrived well-rehearsed with a strong delivery and some crowd-pleasing lines. “We do not want Canada to be the energy Walmart of the world,” he said, denouncing Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s bitumen-piping aspirations. “We have got to stop this man.”

He also showed himself to be relatively proficient in French compared to the other three candidates, an emerging point of qualification in a party where more than half of the caucus hails from Quebec.

He’d worked the riding like a first-timer learning on the job, too, bicycling to the homes of party members, soliciting their support in the ones and twos.

Necessary that, given complaints that the highfalutin lawyer and adjunct UVic professor hadn’t put in sufficient grunt work in a party where seniority and door-knocking still count.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Vaughn+Palmer+Lawyer+Murray+Rankin+easi...

My favourite line in the article was:

“You can tell it is an NDP meeting,” said one of the participants. “The halftime entertainment is more speeches.”


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jerrym wrote:

David Young wrote:

Any surprise that he called them before the Etobicoke Centre decision next week?

Of course, the triple byelection call and campaign provides a distraction from the possible overturning of the election of Conservative MP Ted Optiz's election in Etobicoke Centre because of election irregulairities, followed by the question of why doesn't the government call this fourth potential byelection at the same time as the other three. Harper probably wants to delay this possible byelection call as long as possible in the hopes that, if he has to call a byelection, it is called when it is not as fresh in the minds of the ridings voters, nor affecting the voters in the other three byelections. 

If so, this seems like foolish strategy.

If the Supreme Court upholds the lower court ruling and requires an Etobicoke Centre by-election, AND if Harper drags his feet as usual and delays the call for months, he will look ridiculously anti-democratic -- not only for leaving the residents of EC with no MP (or worse yet, appearing to prolong the term of an MP whose election has been voided) -- but also for appearing to defy the Supreme Court. The optics would be *terrible*, it would all but guarantee a major outcry among local residents, and make an Opitz victory nearly impossible.

I think Harper was near but not at the 6-month limit for calling Calgary Centre. If he could have waited and called EC alongside the other 3, that would have avoided some controversy, and would dilute the likely bad news of an EC loss with likely Conservative wins in the 2 ridings where they are favoured.

On the other hand, Opitz is overseas (for at least another week?), trying to ensure that Ukrainian elections are free and fair, meeting the standards that we claim to meet back home in Canada. He'll need to come back and campaign, while Wrzesnewskyj has been campaigning for months. So we may see a byelection call late enough to allow the Con campaign to ramp up, but soon enough to avoid the backlash mentioned above.

My money is on a ruling that requires a by-election, and a call for late January, right up against the Ontario Liberals' convention to pick a new Premier. But if Harper does drag it out, we can expect it alongside the *federal* Liberal leadership vote in April. It's just the way the guy operates.

 


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How many byelections do the Cons have to lose before they lose their majority? Anyone know?


Lou Arab
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Boom Boom wrote:

How many byelections do the Cons have to lose before they lose their majority? Anyone know?

Six


Boom Boom
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Thanks - much appreciated.


David Young
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Theoretically six, but since Goldring is an 'Independent Conservative' who always votes with the government on just about everything, I believe there would have to be seven Conservative seats go to opposition members.

But if that were close to happening, the Conservatives would roll out the patronage barrell and tempt at least one Liberal to cross to them, so there's absolutely no chance of that happening between now and the 2015(?) election!

 


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Dan Meades won the NDP nomination for Calgary Centre in an October 23rd meeting moved up from the original October 30th date because of the byelection call by Harper.

"Meades, executive director of Vibrant Communities Calgary, beat out Brian Malkinson and Matthew McMillan on Tuesday night as parties prepare for the Nov. 26 byelection.

Pundits have the byelection race favouring the Conservatives in a landslide, but Meades is confident he can knock off Tory nominee Joan Crockatt.

“This isn’t a conservative seat,” Meades said. “They act like no matter what they do, they’ll get elected. So they ignore the constituents until election time.”

He added: “There is lots of support in the community. The seat is ours, we just have to go and get it.”

He is also be facing Liberal nominee Harvey Locke, Green party candidate Chris Turner, and Progressive Canadian party representative Ben Christensen.

The byelection was prompted when former MP Lee Richardson resigned in May to become the principal secretary for Alberta Premier Alison Redford."

http://www.calgaryherald.com/Anti+poverty+campaigner+wins+Calgary+Centre...

 

"The NDP, which had been playing its cards close to its chest in the riding with a number of low-profile nomination contestants testing the waters, now appears to have recruited a candidate that has some party stalwarts in the province pretty excited. "Vibrant Calgary" executive director Dan Meades, originally from St. John's, Newfoundland and known for his work fighting poverty and as a advocate for the city's poorest citizens, will join diesel engineer Brian Malkinson and armed forces officer Matthew McMillan in the nomination race (social media expert Scott H. Payne having already withdrawn in Meades' favour)".

http://www.punditsguide.ca/2012/10/november-26-by-elections-the-full-run...


jerrym
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The NDP in Durham also moved up their nomination meeting to October 23rd because of Harper's calling of three byelections on November 26th.

Two candidates are running: Larry O'Connor and Kim King. O'Connor was an Ontario NDP member of the legislature elected in the 1990 election but defeated in 1995. He is also a former mayor of Brock Township and ran for vice-chair of the Metis Nation of Ontario. 

Kim King is a retired parole and probation officer who was Chair of the North Durham Social Development Council. 

http://www.punditsguide.ca/2012/10/november-26-by-elections-the-full-run...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_O'Connor_(politician)

http://durham2012.wordpress.com/about/


jerrym
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Larry O'Connor tweeted on October 23: 

"I am very pleased to be the Candidate for the #NDP#Durham Riding. By-election work now begins."

http://www.larryoconnor.ca/

Here is his platform as candidate for Vice-Chair of the Metis Nation of Ontario.

http://www.larryoconnor.ca/


Ippurigakko
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Larry on his website i saw his banner pic, metis red flag, is he metis?

aweosme i saw his twitter says he is metis.


Brachina
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Dan Meade sounds impressive, glad to hear it and he'll no doubt appeal to all the other martimers who moved out West :D Larry O'Connor is insanely qualified, for more so then the Tory candiate. I'm also sure he'll be getting alot of help from his provincial cousins given all the free time the Ontario NDP now has thanks to ExPremier Dalton :p I think if the NDP nets either of Durham and/or Calagary Centre it will be huge and when we keep Victoria will be fine at minium. Dan Meade is impressive and I'm happy to he's so confident, its sounds like he's got deep roots in the community and could pull in large amounts of people that don't normally vote, but I still think Durham is the more likely pickup. I mean we came in second last time and Larry is a former Mayor in the area and former NDP MPP and all around high achiever in a scandal ridden riding that will undoubtedly be getting the full force of NDP support? Chantal view of the bielection.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1275508--hebert-fede...

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Murray Rankin, the NDP candidate in the Victoria byelection on November 26,  in his press release today about the Cohen Commission report on the decline of the Fraser River sockeye salmon has shown his strong environmental bona fides: 

“It is unacceptable that the Harper government has sat idly by while sockeye salmon have nearly disappeared,” said Murray Rankin, NDP Candidate for Victoria. “Wild salmon are tremendously important to British Columbians - both culturally and economically.”
 
The Conservatives have been dismantling environmental protections and this report is further proof they are going in the wrong direction.
 
“At a time when we need fisheries science more than ever, the Conservatives areslashing scientific capacity in the Department of Fisheries and Oceans. Research, enforcement, monitoring and habitat protection are all on the chopping block – these short-sighted and reckless cuts are putting salmon at risk,” said Rankin.

http://murrayrankin.ndp.ca/


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Forum polls in the 3 ridings where the byelections have been called show the incumbent parties in strong leads in all three ridings. 

In Durham, Con Erin O'Toole leads Larry O'Connor of the NDP 46% to 24% with Lib Grant Humes third at 20%. Green Party candidate Edward Yaghledjian has 6%.

In Calgary Centre, Con Joan Crockett has 48%, Lib Harvey Locke at 28%, the Green's Chris Turner has 11% and the NDP's Dan Meades at 8%.

In Victoria, Murray Rankin has 47% while the Green candidate has jumped from fourth in the 2011 election with 12% to second with 20%. The Cons' Dale Gann and Libs' Paul Sommerville are tied at 16%. The Cons drop from second place suggests that BCers may not be happy with the Cons' anti-environment policies. 

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/incoming/article4753316.ece/BINARY/Byelec...


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Here is a comparison of the 2011 federal riding results with the results of the Forum poll for these by elections.

2011/2012  Durham       Victoria       Calgary Centre

Con%       54.5/46        23.6/16        57.7/48

Lib%        17.9/20        14/16          17.5/28

NDP%      21.1/24        50.8/47        14.9/8

Green%    5.4/6           11.4/20        9.9/11

(The federal results are from http://www.scribd.com/doc/54674886/2011-Federal-Election-Results-by-Riding)

 

Most of the result differences from year to year are within the margin of error of the Forum poll with the exception of the Cons who are down 7.6%, 8.5% and 9.7% in the three ridings reflecting their fall in the national polls compared to their results in the 2011 election.

The Libs have only made a significant gain in Calgary Centre, suggesting that Trudeau's coattails are not that strong.

The Greens have only made a significant gain in Victoria, suggesting that environmental issues, such as Northern Gateway pipeline, salmon depletion in the Fraser River, and other environmental issues are having an impact here.

The NDP's Murray Rankin's ability to stay within the margin of error difference in the 2011 election suggests that his strong environmental record and hard work in the riding have helped given him a huge margin and kept him close to Denise Savoie's 2011 numbers. Since Savoie was an incumbent who had been on Victoria city council from 1999 to 2005 and had defeated the mayor of Victoria for the nomination in 2006, this is a very strong showing for Rankin and his strong environmental record should keep him from losing support to the Greens. 

O'Connors slight increase in support over the 2011 results for the NDP in Durham suggest that his impressive record as a current mayor and former Ontario MPP and name recognition have helped him overcome the fact that he did not win the nomination until just last week.

On the other hand, Meades decline of roughly 7% in Calgary Centre suggests that this might be due in part to Mulcair's "Dutch disease" comments in the capital of oil industry, but may well be more a result of the equally late nomination of the NDP candidate, who is this riding, does not have the profile of O'Connor in Durham. This suggests to me that unless the NDP has a candidate who is already extremely well known and has a proven political record, the party should be getting their candidates nominated much earlier in the process in order to give them time to build up their name recognition and reputation. I think O'Connor would be doing even better if his nomination had been done earlier. However, he entered the race late as did Meades, which suggests the party has to beat the bushes for strong candidates much earlier, which the other parties in general have done. 


nicky
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I was at the NDP "Vision Dinner" last night in Toronto. Tom Mulcair, in a very strong and well-received speech, said he will be attending a fund-raiser in Durham at which money would be raised by selling 16 dolllar orange juice. It sounds like the Durham campaign may be fun.

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The fall to a last place tie for the Libs and Cons in the Forum poll in Victoria, behind the Greens, looks good on them and probably reflects a combination of the Cons anti-environmental and other policies' impact on BC, the great dislike of provincial Liberal leader Christry Clark, and the failure of Trudeaumania to take hold in BC. I can't think of two more deserving candidates for such a tie than the Cons and the Libs. 


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If you only read and listen to Canada's "national" media one would think that Trudeau mania had relevance to the whole country.  Trudeau got a one election bounce in BC and then lost it all in the next election.  Why would the Trudeau name mean anything in this province?  Only someone pontificating from Upper Canada could think Justin would have any effect on voters in BC.


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catherine fife helped kick off Larry's campaign in durham. which is good news beat conservative. of course 16 dollar orange crush juice.

i read all larry's facebook page many ppl will vote for him. they sounds like very exciting for durham by-election. And on Grant humes and Erin o'toole fb page pretty lame no one more active lol! I like Virginia Ervin, i hope NDP and Green beat them block con and lib.


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Ippurigakko wrote:

catherine fife helped kick off Larry's campaign in durham. which is good news beat conservative. of course 16 dollar orange crush juice.

i read all larry's facebook page many ppl will vote for him. they sounds like very exciting for durham by-election. And on Grant humes and Erin o'toole fb page pretty lame no one more active lol! I like Virginia Ervin, i hope NDP and Green beat them block con and lib.

Thanks for keeping us up to date Ippurigakko! I'm excited to see the Durham campaign develop.


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Twitter quotes and one CTV quote below tell the issues the NDP candidates plan to focus on if elected:

Murray Rankin (Victoria):  

National Research Council latest victim of Conservative science cuts (Nov 2)

Harper is way offside with #Enbridge, the Coast Guard, and issues like OAS. I will take these fights to Ottawa. (Oct 31)

From CTV (Vancouver Island)

"Rankin is campaigning to fill Denise Savoie’s shoes. He says voters here need to stand up for B.C., which he will do in Ottawa. 'I’m identified now with the anti-Enbridge campaign. I’ve worked for a year now advising the provincial NDP caucus on ways to stop the pipeline. On doorsteps it’s an issue that seems very important.' ” (http://www.ctvvancouverisland.ca/2012/11/victoria-by-election-the-candid...)

 

Larry O'Connor (Durham) Twitter:

Important to remember our Veterans and all they have done for us. Honoured to march along side so many (Nov 4)

Out with the #CAW picket line at the Lear plant! GM trying to force concessions on wrkrs despite record profits (Oct 29)

Former Lieutenant Governor of Ontario James Bartelman says Redskins name racist, calls for education (Sept 6)

A taste of my aboriginal heritage in this video of the Métis Voyageur Games, Sault Ste. Marie, 2012 (August 29)

The oldest Canadian patriotic flag: first used by Métis resistance fighters prior to the Battle of Seven Oaks in 1816. (August 27)

 

Dan Meades (Calgary Centre)

"Dan Meades has dedicated himself to building a better Calgary, working tirelessly in community development and poverty reduction.

For the past three and a half years Dan has been the Director of Vibrant Communities Calgary, a public policy advocacy organization focused on social, economic and political engagement.

The City of Calgary consulted with Dan on strategies for affordable housing, public transit and poverty reduction as part of the Municipal Budget Review process in 2011.

Dan was featured as a “Community Changer” at TEDx Calgary, where he spoke on community-building and civic empowerment.

With a degree in English and Business, Dan has worked throughout North America, Europe and West Africa. (http://www.1calgarycentre.com/candidates/dan-meades/)

 

"I grew up and went to university in St. John’s Newfoundland where I made a living as a professional musician.  After I graduated I started working in small communities in Newfoundland in order to help people stop relying on large processing companies for their economic success. Then I went to live in West Africa where I worked and travelled through Ghana, Cote d’Ivoire, Liberia and Sierra Leone working on agricultural projects as well as helping to develop HIV/AIDS clinics that would be run by the community.  

Three and a half years ago I moved to Calgary and started working as the Director of Vibrant Communities Calgary, an organization that works collaboratively to address the root causes of poverty in Calgary. This work has shown me that if communities work together we can make the lives of everyone in our communities better. That is why I want to go to Ottawa, to fight for the people of Calgary-Centre and to make the lives of everyone who lives here better." (http://danmeades.ndp.ca/)

Dan Meades Twitter: 

MP told his constituent he was against the #nexen deal. His office "sent the wrong response", PMO corrected. (Nov 5)

Hearing #cash4to talk about how people of #ab are against Bill C30 but that the silent Con backbenchers will vote for it anyway (nov 4)

Over 73,000 Canadians have told the Harper gov't to stop the secretive Canada-China trade deal. (Nov 4)

2/2 @pmharper prefers to negotiate deal in secret. I will not keep#yyccentre in dark. See complete release here: http://www.danmeades.ndp.ca (Nov 3)

What r cons hiding? Instead of using #byelexn41 as opportunity 2 discuss + consult on foreign investment (Nov 3)

Even more evidence that economic disparity is growing. I have & will cont to address these issues  (Nov 2)

w AUPE #seniors care workrs in longest labour dispute in AUPE history-128 days (Nov 1)

Big crowd at the Break The Silence launch event to kick off family violence prevention month# (Nov 1)

Great meeting small business owners in the west of the riding. (Oct 31)

We need federal leadership to address food insecurity in this country (Oct 31)

(http://twitter.com/meades4centre)


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It is interesting to note on the Victoria by-election.  On the ground, it feels a little like Elizabeth May is running for a seat here, not Donald Galloway.  Every time Mr Galloway has a moment at the media micro-phone, out come platitudes for his idol, and not what he plans on doing for Victoria.  She is also pulling out all the stops by inviting Suzuki here to help her campaign.  It might have been OK to campaign to beat a Conservative (Lunn), but it is not OK to put this much energy to go against a greener candidate than their own (Rankin).  I thought May liked the environment and was here to try and protect it.  Seems that is second place to ego after all. 

 


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May is for capitalist green environmental responses - let the market do it's green magic and she hates the NDP. I thought that she didn't like Jack but realize that she doesn't like the NDP - essentially that it gets in the way of her beloved liberals.


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