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Top Ten Conservative MP we need to defeat!

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Winston
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adma wrote:

Oh, and I find it funny I'm thus far the only person to name-drop Rob Anders in this thread.

Yeah really!  He is easily the most odious creature that has set foot in the House in generations!!!


Malcolm
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While we're on about Conservative MPs that deserve to be defeated, how about Ray Boughen in Palliser?  Admittedly he hasn't done anything to distinguish himself, but that's mostly because he hasn't really donemuch at all.  For example, he is at or near the bottom of the list for interventions in Parliament, so even as a trained seat for the HarperCons he still underperforms.


bekayne
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Winston wrote:

What about Bramalea-Gore-Malton, where the incumbent Liberal came third, and the Tory beat the New Democrat by less than 500 votes?  This type of situation repeated all through Ontario (esp SW Ontario).

Where?

http://www.punditsguide.ca/parties/?party=4&province=6&elec_event=26&qry=2


bekayne
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adma wrote:

Oh, and I find it funny I'm thus far the only person to name-drop Rob Anders in this thread.

Ssshh (you'll wake him)

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2011/11/25/rob-anders-sleeping-video_n_1113337.html


Winston
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bekayne wrote:

Winston wrote:

What about Bramalea-Gore-Malton, where the incumbent Liberal came third, and the Tory beat the New Democrat by less than 500 votes?  This type of situation repeated all through Ontario (esp SW Ontario).

Where?

Not by 500 votes...I should have been more clear.  What I was trying to get at was that the NDP had as many 1st and 2nd place finishes throughout Ontario as did the Liberals.  Two things worked in the Tories' favour - 1) Unlike in Québec, the Orange Crush did not have as much time to ripen, leading to the NDP and Liberals splitting the opposition votes down the middle instead of decisively in the NDP's favour 2) The Tories' line to Liberals to vote strategically for them was quite effective.


Orangutan
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I had meant this to be a discussion on who we NEED to defeat because of their bigoted views - not who CAN we defeat (as there are numerous other discussions that have focused on that).

 

Who, based on their views, should be targeted to defeat?   


Stockholm
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I find Dean DelMasturbate of Peterborough to be one of the Tories with the most repulsive views.


Winston
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Orangutan wrote:

I had meant this to be a discussion on who we NEED to defeat because of their bigoted views - not who CAN we defeat (as there are numerous other discussions that have focused on that).

Who, based on their views, should be targeted to defeat?   

Anders

Toews

Poilievre (just because he is soooo obnoxious!!!)

That's my top 3.

Edited to add:

Plus any MP that is too chicken-shit to come out of the closet, while telling the rest of us that "it gets better".

Oh...and Kevin Lamoureux, whose first vote in the House was AGAINST a woman's right to choose!


adma
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Malcolm wrote:

While we're on about Conservative MPs that deserve to be defeated, how about Ray Boughen in Palliser?  Admittedly he hasn't done anything to distinguish himself, but that's mostly because he hasn't really donemuch at all.  For example, he is at or near the bottom of the list for interventions in Parliament, so even as a trained seat for the HarperCons he still underperforms.

Of course, there's no guarantee that Boughen'll run again, given that he's going to be pushing 80 come the next election,


Slumberjack
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The problem with such an exercise is that no matter where you start from with this gang...ten from the top down starting with Harper, ten from the bottom of the pile and up, or ten selected at random, all your work is still ahead with the ones who remain.


Lachine Scot
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Heh, why Royal Galipeau?

He was my old boss when he was on the library board in Ottawa, totally arrogant guy. He also jumped from being a sleazy liberal to being a sleazy conservative without batting an eyelash when the fortunes of the liberals changed.


theleftyinvestor
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Debater wrote:

theleftyinvestor wrote:

We need to defeat Wai Young (Conservative, Vancouver South), who bumped Ujjal Dosanjh out of the riding. Say what you want about Liberals and turncoats, but I thought Dosanjh was a really good MP. He's not returning to politics so now there is an opportunity for the NDP to move in without anyone appealing to vote "strategically" for the incumbent. Let's shut the Conservatives out of Vancouver again.

Unfortunately, as Robert Fife said on CTV on the night of the election, the increase in the NDP vote in that riding split the vote and allowed the Conservatives to take it.

Hopefully the Liberal vote will come back in the next election and we will be able to take it back.

Regardless of who said it, the numbers don't bear out the "NDP vote split" explanation for Vancouver South 2011.

Conservative: 16090 -> 19504 (+3414)
Liberal: 16110 -> 15604 (-506)
NDP: 7376 -> 8552 (+1176)
Green: 2065 -> 1151 (-914)
M-L: 211 -> 222 (+11)

Total valid votes: 41852 -> 45033 (+3181)

A cursory overview of the numbers would suggest that most Conservative votes came from people who didn't go to the polls at all in 2008. The Liberals kept most of theirs but failed to get out the vote. The Green vote collapsed by almost as many votes as the NDP gained. Certainly the NDP gains did not suggest any significant vote shift away from the Liberals - this was all about the Conservatives mobilizing voters.

In 2004 the NDP nearly tied the Conservative candidate for 2nd place. It's not unthinkable that this riding could be an NDP target with no incumbent Liberal effect left.


The Analyst
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ottawaobserver wrote:

While the politics of a number of those folks are very very right-wing, I still would not advocate wasting resources trying to defeat the ones in non-winnable seats. There are probably 60 other seats we should be looking at first.

While - from what I've heard - Rod Bruinooge in awash in religious right lunacy, getting back Elmwood-Transcona would probably be a better goal for the Federal NDP when it comes to Winnipeg. It's still very ironic how, what's an Orange Fortress Provincially, has so many Conservative MPs Federally.


adma
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theleftyinvestor wrote:

In 2004 the NDP nearly tied the Conservative candidate for 2nd place. It's not unthinkable that this riding could be an NDP target with no incumbent Liberal effect left.

*And*, with a favourable redraw.


theleftyinvestor
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Right, I almost forgot about the boundary change...

Of course a big factor for the NDP in any BC riding will be, if Dix indeed becomes premier, can he keep the public happy long enough to avoid spoiling NDP ridings in the next federal election? :P

After all, the only time in decades that a stronghold like Vancouver East was snapped up from the NDP was in 1993, two years into a BCNDP government. Mind you that was also the year after the Charlottetown Accord. 


adma
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Another name thus far missing in this thread: David "Promise Keepers" Sweet.  (Even if his seat's likely to be redrawn in his favour, away from Westdale or even Dundas, etc)


Howard
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Peter Goldring and Deepak Obhrai: I don't know if they get more sleep at home or in the House of Commons.

Jim Hillyer. His unexcused absences make Vegas girl seem like a saint.


laine lowe
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Perhaps it would be easier to identify the top ten Conservatives that are the least repugnant or useless or both.


adma
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laine lowe wrote:

Perhaps it would be easier to identify the top ten Conservatives that are the least repugnant or useless or both.

Mike Chong?


laine lowe
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He seems benign enough. Good start adma.

ETA: Joyce Bateman hasn't done anything offensive so far.


Howard
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laine lowe wrote:

Perhaps it would be easier to identify the top ten Conservatives that are the least repugnant or useless or both.

James Moore voted in favour of same sex marriage. Royal Galipeau has a rep as more of a Red Tory.


Wilf Day
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I'd start with five Conservative MPs from Saskatchewan who I hope would not be in the House if we had a fair voting system. Let's say Brad Trost (Saskatoon-Humboldt), Maurice Vellacott (Saskatoon-Wanuskewin), Tom Lukiwski (Regina—Lumsden—Lake Centre), Ray Boughen (Palliser), and Randy Hoback (Prince Albert).

Then eight from Alberta. Let's say Rob Anders (Calgary West), Jason Kenney (Calgary Southeast), Peter Goldring (Edmonton East), Jim Hillyer (Lethbridge), Kevin Sorenson (Crowfoot), Mike Lake (Edmonton--Mill Woods--Beaumont), Chris Warkentin (Peace River), and Rob Merrifield (Yellowhead).

Then pick your own: 11 from the GTA, five from Eastern Ontario, five from West Central Ontario, four from southwestern Ontario, two from the Lower Mainland, two from the rest of BC, three from Manitoba, and three from New Brunswick.

laine lowe wrote:
Perhaps it would be easier to identify the top ten Conservatives that are the least repugnant or useless or both.

That's easy: the ten least repugnant women. There are so few women in the Conservative caucus, that I'd hate to wish most of them out of parliament.


Winston
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Wilf Day wrote:

I'd start with five Conservative MPs from Saskatchewan who I hope would not be in the House if we had a fair voting system. 

Which of our Québec MPs (who benefitted as much from FPTP) would you get rid of?  :P

PS: Don't answer that: it was a rhetorical question!


Ryan1812
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I find Del Mastro repulsive and the worst kind of politician. In the worst sense of the worst, he is offensive and biggoted. For a man who is against abortions, his support for the death penalty illudes me.


theleftyinvestor
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Wilf Day wrote:

That's easy: the ten least repugnant women. There are so few women in the Conservative caucus, that I'd hate to wish most of them out of parliament.

Hmm... tough job.

       Diane Ablonczy    Calgary—Nose Hill
         Eve Adams    Mississauga—Brampton South
         Leona Aglukkaq     Conservative     Nunavut
         Stella Ambler    Conservative     Mississauga South
         Rona Ambrose     Conservative     Edmonton—Spruce Grove
       Joyce Bateman    Conservative     Winnipeg South Centre
        Kelly Block     Conservative     Saskatoon—Rosetown—Biggar
        Lois Brown     Conservative     Newmarket—Aurora
      Pat Davidson     Conservative     Sarnia—Lambton
    Kerry-Lynne Findlay     Conservative     Delta—Richmond East
         Diane Finley     Conservative     Haldimand—Norfolk
       Cheryl Gallant     Conservative     Renfrew—Nipissing—Pembroke
         Shelly Glover     Conservative     Saint Boniface
         Nina Grewal     Conservative     Fleetwood—Port Kells
        Candice Hoeppner     Conservative     Portage—Lisgar
       Roxanne James    Conservative     Scarborough Centre
        Kellie Leitch    Conservative     Simcoe—Grey
       Cathy McLeod     Conservative     Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo
      Bev Oda     Conservative     Durham
         Tilly O'Neill-Gordon     Conservative     Miramichi
       Lisa Raitt     Conservative     Halton
       Michelle Rempel    Conservative     Calgary Centre-North
       Gail Shea     Conservative     Egmont
       Joy Smith     Conservative     Kildonan—St. Paul
         Susan Truppe    Conservative     London North Centre
         Alice Wong     Conservative     Richmond
         Lynne Yelich     Conservative     Blackstrap
         Wai Young     Conservative     Vancouver South

I would say most who are in cabinet or have been are fair game. Perhaps Diane Ablonczy gets spared for independent thought because she supported funding for Toronto Pride before being quietly shuffled away. I can't think off the top of my head on who else has enough redeeming characteristics to be off the focus list.


adma
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theleftyinvestor wrote:
I would say most who are in cabinet or have been are fair game. Perhaps Diane Ablonczy gets spared for independent thought because she supported funding for Toronto Pride before being quietly shuffled away. I can't think off the top of my head on who else has enough redeeming characteristics to be off the focus list.

Rempel and Leitch both seem to have a "Conservative as winning option" moderate-ish cast to them.


adma
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Wilf Day wrote:
Then eight from Alberta. Let's say Rob Anders (Calgary West), Jason Kenney (Calgary Southeast), Peter Goldring (Edmonton East), Jim Hillyer (Lethbridge), Kevin Sorenson (Crowfoot), Mike Lake (Edmonton--Mill Woods--Beaumont), Chris Warkentin (Peace River), and Rob Merrifield (Yellowhead).

Yeah, principle is principle, but going from a Jason Kenney target to a Kevin Sorenson target is like, well, gong from wanting a pony to wanting a unicorn as a Christmas gift.

OTOH of rural Alberta MPs, I suspect the one who'd most likely merit a token free Babble pass is Ted Menzies (ex-PC, Joe Clark-endorsed, etc)


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adma wrote:

theleftyinvestor wrote:
I would say most who are in cabinet or have been are fair game. Perhaps Diane Ablonczy gets spared for independent thought because she supported funding for Toronto Pride before being quietly shuffled away. I can't think off the top of my head on who else has enough redeeming characteristics to be off the focus list.

Rempel and Leitch both seem to have a "Conservative as winning option" moderate-ish cast to them.

Both dyed-in-the-wool backroom Conservatives before running. I'd cut some slack to Pat Davidson for speaking out against the overseas sale of asbestos, but I still think her seat of Sarnia should be one of our targets.


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laine lowe wrote:

He [MP David Sweet] seems benign enough. Good start adma.

I respectfully disagree that he is "benign."  He is a very active and virulent anti-abortion activist (too bad he does not show such touching concern for the children who are already here -- you know, like poor kids, foster children, kids in Attawapiskat --- seems they only merit action while in utero).

Sweet is also aggressively anti-feminist and believes women have no place in leadership. And on the lazy side, except for attending prayer breakfasts with the PM, it's hard to pin down anything he has done for the riding.

asma, I'm interested in what you say about the riding boundary proposed changes. There could be room for improvement here. Provincially, the PC candidate sank like a stone even in my very conservative part of the riding.


adma
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infracaninophile wrote:
I respectfully disagree that he is "benign."  He is a very active and virulent anti-abortion activist (too bad he does not show such touching concern for the children who are already here -- you know, like poor kids, foster children, kids in Attawapiskat --- seems they only merit action while in utero).

Sweet is also aggressively anti-feminist and believes women have no place in leadership. And on the lazy side, except for attending prayer breakfasts with the PM, it's hard to pin down anything he has done for the riding.

asma, I'm interested in what you say about the riding boundary proposed changes. There could be room for improvement here. Provincially, the PC candidate sank like a stone even in my very conservative part of the riding.

If you go back in the thread, you'll notice that the "benign enough" comment referred to my immediate-previous-post reference to Mike Chong, not my earlier reference to David Sweet.  (You're forgiven.)

As for Sweet, the changes could actually work to his benefit if it gave him a more strictly rural/exurban seat (it isn't as if he'd go on a suicide mission by opting for wherever the Dundas/Westdale chips will fall)


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