Trudeau calls Quebec byelection in Chicoutimi-Le Fjord for June 18

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Trudeau calls Quebec byelection in Chicoutimi-Le Fjord for June 18

By: Lee Berthiaume, The Canadian Press

05/13/2018

OTTAWA - Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has called a byelection for the Quebec riding of Chicoutimi-Le Fjord, only days after pledging $60 million in federal funding for an aluminum-smelting project in the area.

Voters there will head to the polls on June 18 to elect a new member of Parliament, after first-term Liberal MP Denis Lemieux announced his resignation due to family reasons late last year.

Federal parties have been waiting for the byelection as the riding has changed hands several times and was hotly contested in the last election, as Lemieux narrowly beat out incumbent NDP MP Dany Morin by 600 votes.

That equated to a 1.37 per cent margin of victory.

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The Conservatives have nominated popular junior hockey coach Richard Martel to carry their flag in the byelection, whom Deltell described as the right person to reverse the Tories' fortunes in the riding after placing fourth in 2015.

The Liberals have nominated local businesswoman Lina Boivin, while trade unionist Eric Dubois will represent the NDP.

Former NDP national director Karl Belanger said the byelection has special importance for New Democrats, given that the party held the seat before, but has struggled to make any waves in Quebec since the last federal election.

"There is a need for a good showing by the federal NDP if we are to be taken seriously in the next federal election," Belanger told The Canadian Press on Sunday.

"It's a seat we held. So symbolically, we need to regain some of our electoral footing. It seems unlikely for the Liberals to lose given the poll numbers and the fact that they held the seat, but you have to be competitive."

 

https://www.brandonsun.com/national/breaking-news/trudeau-calls-quebec-byelection-days-after-visit-funding-pledge-in-riding-482485763.html

josh
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It's a bit surprising to see the Conservatives ahead in this riding poll.

It looks like the collapse of the Bloc may be benefitting the Cons.

It also may be that the Conservatives have a stronger candidate this time.

bekayne

Debater wrote:

It also may be that the Conservatives have a stronger candidate this time.

Longtime coach of the junior hockey team there. The Liberals won with only 31% in 2015. They could increase that and still lose.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Jesus, what are they STILL mad at the NDP about?  It can't still be THAT big a deal to have opposed the niqab ban.  

NorthReport

The Conservatives have a popular candidate and the pollster says that is the main reason the Conservatives have such a massive lead over the Liberals. Also it's a non-changing government by-election, and voters love to use by-elections to express their displeasure with the current government, without toppling the government, so it doesn't mean that much. 

brookmere

Ken Burch wrote:

Jesus, what are they STILL mad at the NDP about?  It can't still be THAT big a deal to have opposed the niqab ban.  

Well the NDP now has a religious nationalist as a leader. As the BQ leader put it, it's not the turban, but what it represents. By the way did he make it up there to do any campaigning?

bekayne

brookmere wrote:

By the way did he make it up there to do any campaigning?

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-trudeau-scheer-and-sing...

gadar

NorthReport wrote:

The Conservatives have a popular candidate and the pollster says that is the main reason the Conservatives have such a massive lead over the Liberals. Also it's a non-changing government by-election, and voters love to use by-elections to express their displeasure with the current government, without toppling the government, so it doesn't mean that much. 

Go NDP. 

progressive17 progressive17's picture

You also have to factor that the CAQ is now up to 37% in Quebec, well ahead of the Liberals. Seeing Ford's victory in Ontario as well, it would not be surprising for the Tory vote to be high there, especially if it has been high there at some time in the past.

Pondering

Looking at the history of the riding it is an excellent example of the fickleness of Quebec voters. To me it looks like the popularity of the local candidate is the deciding factor not ideology or party preference. I like that. It gives the local candidate more power if they are delivering  the votes not the party leader. It puts the onus on the party to get strong local candidates. 

progressive17 progressive17's picture

Still, once the 'strong candidate' gets into the House, they are just an infinitessima like the rest of them. The authority will come from the leader and his or her cabal.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

gadar wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

The Conservatives have a popular candidate and the pollster says that is the main reason the Conservatives have such a massive lead over the Liberals. Also it's a non-changing government by-election, and voters love to use by-elections to express their displeasure with the current government, without toppling the government, so it doesn't mean that much. 

Go NDP. 

Stop trying to imitate and parody North.  It's inappropriate and mean.  North's done nothing to deserve that from you.

WWWTT

If this riding doesn’t go liberal, then look for the liberals to lose the 2019 general election(or a strong chance of that outcome at this point).

 

Sean in Ottawa

I do not think that individual byelections are much of an indication of federal results to come.

bekayne

WWWTT wrote:

If this riding doesn’t go liberal, then look for the liberals to lose the 2019 general election(or a strong chance of that outcome at this point).

 

You're doing a parody too, right?

progressive17 progressive17's picture

However grim, I think we are in a massive shift to the right.

WWWTT

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

I do not think that individual byelections are much of an indication of federal results to come.

Possibly? However a strong argument can be made that they’re the shape of things to come. 

We’re getting closer to the general election. Canada is now into a trade war with the US. And I suspect there’s going to be Canadian politicians that are going to fall victim to the on going trade war. 

Status quo would not hurt the government that got elected during the last free trade deal. And it doesn’t look like Trump is in any way interested in returning to status quo. In fact he seems to be delaying and delaying. Applying more and more barriers.  

If there’s no new NAFTA deal than it’s very possible that the liberals are toasted  

And this makes sense  It wasn’t the socialists that elected the liberals. It was the materialistic me me me voters that got the liberals in   Don’t count on their vote when the US dollar(carrot on the stick) vanishes   

When that carrot is gone, so are the liberals  

 

gadar

Ken Burch wrote:

gadar wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

The Conservatives have a popular candidate and the pollster says that is the main reason the Conservatives have such a massive lead over the Liberals. Also it's a non-changing government by-election, and voters love to use by-elections to express their displeasure with the current government, without toppling the government, so it doesn't mean that much. 

Go NDP. 

Stop trying to imitate and parody North.  It's inappropriate and mean.  North's done nothing to deserve that from you.

Why do you think mine is a parody and his is not. I am as enthusiastic about NDP and Jagmeet Singh as the next guy. It is no parody, I have just been enlightned by a million one line posts about how the NDP is the only path to salvation.

So Go NDP

NorthReport

Agreed

 

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

I do not think that individual byelections are much of an indication of federal results to come.

progressive17 progressive17's picture

No, I think it is pretty well over for the left for the next few years. The Trumps and the Fords now have the working class and poor, because the left did not do anything for them in decades. Wages fell, prices went up, and housing became unaffordable. Unions did not organize, where they had plenty of opportunity to do so. If the unions in Ontario did not want Ford in, they could have organized in election campaigns. But the union members did not care, because they are doing fine. Many of them probably voted for Ford anyway.

The left has not listened to the people, and instead chose to speak for them instead. The CAQ is on track for 80 seats in Quebec, and it looks like Trudeau is done for a few reasons. 

It's every person for themselves now. If the left ever wants to win back the hearts of its traditional constituencies, it needs to stop with the talk talk talk and start doing things. Only actions will give credibility now.

Back to slavery. Thanks, left!

Sean in Ottawa

WWWTT wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

I do not think that individual byelections are much of an indication of federal results to come.

Possibly? However a strong argument can be made that they’re the shape of things to come. 

 

Except history really says the complete opposite.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

gadar wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

gadar wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

The Conservatives have a popular candidate and the pollster says that is the main reason the Conservatives have such a massive lead over the Liberals. Also it's a non-changing government by-election, and voters love to use by-elections to express their displeasure with the current government, without toppling the government, so it doesn't mean that much. 

Go NDP. 

Stop trying to imitate and parody North.  It's inappropriate and mean.  North's done nothing to deserve that from you.

Why do you think mine is a parody and his is not. I am as enthusiastic about NDP and Jagmeet Singh as the next guy. It is no parody, I have just been enlightned by a million one line posts about how the NDP is the only path to salvation.

So Go NDP

Supporting the NDP in election campaigns is not the same thing as saying "the NDP is the ONLY path to salvation".   North has done nothing to deserve this from you, and neither have the rest of us. 

WWWTT

Except history really says the complete opposite.

Actually, in this comment you made, really=sometimes 

Pondering

Ken Burch wrote:

Supporting the NDP in election campaigns is not the same thing as saying "the NDP is the ONLY path to salvation".   North has done nothing to deserve this from you, and neither have the rest of us. 

What else would you expect from a Conservative?

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Pondering wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

Supporting the NDP in election campaigns is not the same thing as saying "the NDP is the ONLY path to salvation".   North has done nothing to deserve this from you, and neither have the rest of us. 

What else would you expect from a Conservative?

Which one of them are you calling a Conservative?  If you don't feel comfortable responding in the thread, feel free to message me.

Pondering

Ken Burch wrote:

Pondering wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

Supporting the NDP in election campaigns is not the same thing as saying "the NDP is the ONLY path to salvation".   North has done nothing to deserve this from you, and neither have the rest of us. 

What else would you expect from a Conservative?

Which one of them are you calling a Conservative?  If you don't feel comfortable responding in the thread, feel free to message me.

Gadar.  The "go NDP" thing is so mocking. I figure he must be a Conservative who wants a split vote. 

Cody87

Was this just called on the 13th? Did they call a byelection with 5 days notice? What am I missing?

cco

May 13th, not June 13th.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Pondering wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

Pondering wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

Supporting the NDP in election campaigns is not the same thing as saying "the NDP is the ONLY path to salvation".   North has done nothing to deserve this from you, and neither have the rest of us. 

What else would you expect from a Conservative?

Which one of them are you calling a Conservative?  If you don't feel comfortable responding in the thread, feel free to message me.

Gadar.  The "go NDP" thing is so mocking. I figure he must be a Conservative who wants a split vote. 

Thanks.   

gadar

progressive17 wrote:

If the unions in Ontario did not want Ford in, they could have organized in election campaigns. But the union members did not care, because they are doing fine. Many of them probably voted for Ford anyway.

I think it is a myth that union members vote for left wing policies. I have noticed that higher the wages and benefits more likely  a union member to vote for a right wing party. Ignoring the fact that it is a left wing ideology that got them to that level. But selfishness is not only for the corporate types.

I have acquanitances that are longshoremen, and every single one of them, hates taxes, hates Horgan, hates Trudeau, hates refugess, are against welfare raises, are against minimum wage increases, are climate change deniers. Most are homophobes and bigots. But they dont want outsiders to be able to get a longshoreman job, they love the fact that they can just hand their job down to a family member when they retire from a unskilled labour job that pays well over a 150 thousand an year. A thankless bunch.

A vast majority of membership at my work supports right wing parties, one can consistently hear people ranting about taxes and refugees and bums and immigrants etc.

The myth that union membership votes for the left, or even remotely supports progressive policies needs to be shattered. Their progressiveness ends after a cba is signed and ratified.

gadar

Pondering wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

Pondering wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

Supporting the NDP in election campaigns is not the same thing as saying "the NDP is the ONLY path to salvation".   North has done nothing to deserve this from you, and neither have the rest of us. 

What else would you expect from a Conservative?

Which one of them are you calling a Conservative?  If you don't feel comfortable responding in the thread, feel free to message me.

Gadar.  The "go NDP" thing is so mocking. I figure he must be a Conservative who wants a split vote. 

Hahaha. I a conservative lol. 

So cheering for the NDP is cheering for a vote split that leads to a Con win. 

I have been trying to make a similar point for a decade. But since I didnt pledge my allegiance to a single Non Con party, I have been called a Liberal often. So I decided to start explicitly  stating my preferred Con alternative, that has led to me being called a Conservative sympathiser.

Cheering for a NDP official opposition over a Liberal govt would qualify as wanting the Cons to win. You would never see me do that. I could cheer for a NDP govt, NDP official opposition to the Liberals, but not an NDP official opposition to a Con majority over a Liberal govt. I think thats enough information for somebody to decide which one I am an NDPer, a Liberal or a Con.

But I think there could be others in the same category you put me in tho. Good luck figuring that out.

NorthReport

Longshoremen’s days are numbered There already is a port in Holland that is so automated there is not one Longshoreman working there any more

gadar

Ken Burch wrote:

Supporting the NDP in election campaigns is not the same thing as saying "the NDP is the ONLY path to salvation".   North has done nothing to deserve this from you, and neither have the rest of us. 

But making it a two way competetion between Liberals and NDP while not even mentioning the Cons sure does qualify as hoping for a vote split. It seems like the Cons dont even exist. They are not to be criticised. The criticism is reserved for another Con alternative. At least I have criticised both the NDP alternatives.

What does my posting have to do with North, or the rest of you (whoever they are). Recently I have tried not to guess people's motivation. I have done that in the past, but I have decided to stop doing that.

This has nothing to do with any other poster. I am cheering for my preffered political party and my preferred federal leader. Please stop making it out to be a grudge between two posters. My posts reflect the same viewpoint as NR's. I am sure NR deserves my agreement.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

gadar wrote:

A vast majority of membership at my work supports right wing parties, one can consistently hear people ranting about taxes and refugees and bums and immigrants etc.

The myth that union membership votes for the left, or even remotely supports progressive policies needs to be shattered. Their progressiveness ends after a cba is signed and ratified.

I've always been self-employed, so not a union member, but my wife is a retired nurse who spent over 40 years as a union member, and most of her co-workers that I've met over the years have been quite progressive, and self-identified as either Liberal or NDP supporters. So it must depend on the particular group of workers, not the fact of unionization.

gadar

NorthReport wrote:

Longshoremen’s days are numbered There already is a port in Holland that is so automated there is not one Longshoreman working there any more

While it is unfortunate that people lose jobs to automation, but nobody deserves it more that this group imo.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

gadar wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

Supporting the NDP in election campaigns is not the same thing as saying "the NDP is the ONLY path to salvation".   North has done nothing to deserve this from you, and neither have the rest of us. 

But making it a two way competetion between Liberals and NDP while not even mentioning the Cons sure does qualify as hoping for a vote split. It seems like the Cons dont even exist. They are not to be criticised. The criticism is reserved for another Con alternative. At least I have criticised both the NDP alternatives.

What does my posting have to do with North, or the rest of you (whoever they are). Recently I have tried not to guess people's motivation. I have done that in the past, but I have decided to stop doing that.

This has nothing to do with any other poster. I am cheering for my preffered political party and my preferred federal leader. Please stop making it out to be a grudge between two posters. My posts reflect the same viewpoint as NR's. I am sure NR deserves my agreement.

People here have constantly talked about the Cons.  They haven't been in power for two-and-a-half-years now in Ottawa, so there's been less reason to talk about them.

And people were talking about the PC's all through the Ontario campaign.

And in Ontario this year, there was never any possibility of keeping the Liberals in power.  They were doomed to defeat from the start.  So the only progressive choices were to campaign all out for the ONDP or to give up on stopping Ford.  It simply wasn't possible to keep the OLP in power.  At some point, you're going to have to accept that. 

gadar

Michael Moriarity wrote:

I've always been self-employed, so not a union member, but my wife is a retired nurse who spent over 40 years as a union member, and most of her co-workers that I've met over the years have been quite progressive, and self-identified as either Liberal or NDP supporters. So it must depend on the particular group of workers, not the fact of unionization.

True. I was also trying to say the same thing. Being unionised doesnt automatically make one a supporter of progressive policies.

gadar

Ken Burch wrote:

And in Ontario this year, there was never any possibility of keeping the Liberals in power.  They were doomed to defeat from the start.  So the only progressive choices were to campaign all out for the ONDP or to give up on stopping Ford.  It simply wasn't possible to keep the OLP in power.  At some point, you're going to have to accept that. 

Oh man. I dont know how to say this. Its not like I have not mentioned it before. But I will do it one more time.

I DID NOT WANT THE OLP TO WIN THE ELECTION.

Please please please sir, I beg you to please accept that.

I wanted the NDP to win and they lost. I wanted the Cons to lose and they won. I do not see anything to cheer about the results. I dont know how me being upset at a Con, and most of all Doug freaking Ford, winning somehow leads to the conslusion that I wanted the OLP to win.

Election is over. Doug is the premier of Ontario for four years. Why are we still quiblling over this.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

gadar wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

And in Ontario this year, there was never any possibility of keeping the Liberals in power.  They were doomed to defeat from the start.  So the only progressive choices were to campaign all out for the ONDP or to give up on stopping Ford.  It simply wasn't possible to keep the OLP in power.  At some point, you're going to have to accept that. 

Oh man. I dont know how to say this. Its not like I have not mentioned it before. But I will do it one more time.

I DID NOT WANT THE OLP TO WIN THE ELECTION.

Please please please sir, I beg you to please accept that.

I wanted the NDP to win and they lost. I wanted the Cons to lose and they won. I do not see anything to cheer about the results. I dont know how me being upset at a Con, and most of all Doug freaking Ford, winning somehow leads to the conslusion that I wanted the OLP to win.

Election is over. Doug is the premier of Ontario for four years. Why are we still quiblling over this.

Then why are you talking about how you supported a Liberal government over an NDP official opposition?  It wasn't a choice between those things in Ontario this year, and it wasn't a choice between those two things federall in 2015.

gadar

Ken Burch wrote:

Then why are you talking about how you supported a Liberal government over an NDP official opposition?  It wasn't a choice between those things in Ontario this year, and it wasn't a choice between those two things federall in 2015.

I am not discussing Ontario election when I was talking about preference. 

Given a choice between plausible alternatives.

I would like an NDP govt with Liberal opposition

Different minority scenarios involving NDP and Liberals that includes coalitions if possible

A Liberal govt with NDP opposition

An NDP govt with Con opposition

A Liberal govt with Con opposition

I dont want a Con govt and who is opposition doesnt matter to me. Some would disagree but thats my opinion.

And this post has nothing to do with Ontario elections.

And yes if the best that NDP gets is official opposition then I would rather they be official opposition to a Liberal govt than a Con govt.

I dont know how this is confusing.

Pondering

gadar wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

Then why are you talking about how you supported a Liberal government over an NDP official opposition?  It wasn't a choice between those things in Ontario this year, and it wasn't a choice between those two things federall in 2015.

I am not discussing Ontario election when I was talking about preference. 

Given a choice between plausible alternatives.

I would like an NDP govt with Liberal opposition

Different minority scenarios involving NDP and Liberals that includes coalitions if possible

A Liberal govt with NDP opposition

An NDP govt with Con opposition

A Liberal govt with Con opposition

I dont want a Con govt and who is opposition doesnt matter to me. Some would disagree but thats my opinion.

And this post has nothing to do with Ontario elections.

And yes if the best that NDP gets is official opposition then I would rather they be official opposition to a Liberal govt than a Con govt.

I dont know how this is confusing.

I get it and I am in pretty much the  same situation now. The  only exception is that I did support Trudeau in 2015 and I think I did the right thing then because I think Mulcair would have been a disaster and doomed the NDP federally for at least 30 years. I support Singh. 

gadar

Pondering wrote:

gadar wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

Then why are you talking about how you supported a Liberal government over an NDP official opposition?  It wasn't a choice between those things in Ontario this year, and it wasn't a choice between those two things federall in 2015.

I am not discussing Ontario election when I was talking about preference. 

Given a choice between plausible alternatives.

I would like an NDP govt with Liberal opposition

Different minority scenarios involving NDP and Liberals that includes coalitions if possible

A Liberal govt with NDP opposition

An NDP govt with Con opposition

A Liberal govt with Con opposition

I dont want a Con govt and who is opposition doesnt matter to me. Some would disagree but thats my opinion.

And this post has nothing to do with Ontario elections.

And yes if the best that NDP gets is official opposition then I would rather they be official opposition to a Liberal govt than a Con govt.

I dont know how this is confusing.

I get it and I am in pretty much the  same situation now. The  only exception is that I did support Trudeau in 2015 and I think I did the right thing then because I think Mulcair would have been a disaster and doomed the NDP federally for at least 30 years. I support Singh. 

I support whoever is in the best position to beat a Con in my riding. I prefer Singh over Trudeau but I will also take Trudeau over Scheer any day.

WWWTT

Election is over. Doug is the premier of Ontario for four years. Why are we still quiblling over this.

Because this is the Quebec federal bi election thread. That’s how thread drift logic works. 

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

OK...so how bad do we think the Con will win tonight?

I'm predicting he takes 58% and that neither the Green, NDP, Bloc or Liberal candidates come within 30 percentage point of him.

josh

gadar wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

Longshoremen’s days are numbered There already is a port in Holland that is so automated there is not one Longshoreman working there any more

While it is unfortunate that people lose jobs to automation, but nobody deserves it more that this group imo.

No group of workers deserve to lose their jobs.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

josh wrote:

gadar wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

Longshoremen’s days are numbered There already is a port in Holland that is so automated there is not one Longshoreman working there any more

While it is unfortunate that people lose jobs to automation, but nobody deserves it more that this group imo.

No group of workers deserve to lose their jobs.

I think our society would take a step forward if we fired everyone, in any job, who has an MBA.

NorthReport
Sean in Ottawa

Ken Burch wrote:

OK...so how bad do we think the Con will win tonight?

I'm predicting he takes 58% and that neither the Green, NDP, Bloc or Liberal candidates come within 30 percentage point of him.

Close you are -- the Liberals are just barely within that range and the NDP Green and BQ very very low.

NorthReport

If this keeps up it will be basically 2 to 1, quite a blowout against our Pipeline King PM!

http://enr.elections.ca/ElectoralDistricts.aspx?lang=e

robbie_dee

The Conservatives also support pipelines.

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