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Welcome to B.C., Premier Notley, or, does the NDP have a death wish?

NorthReport
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NorthReport
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Why nine Vancouver Island First Nations signed on with Kinder Morgan

http://www.theprovince.com/news/local+news/nine+vancouver+island+first+n...


NorthReport
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One thing we can always count on in Canadian politics is for the NDP federally and provincially to regularly shoot themselves in the foot.

By constantly running against jobs the NDP are continuing to assign themselves to the dustbin of political history.

And when the voters tire of the Trudeau juggernault the right-wing will be the main alternative.

When is the NDP going to wake up and realize that the party is over, and that their best chance of effectively creating change is from with the Liberal party. NDPers need to join forces with the Liberals to keep Harper's replacement at bay. 


Sean in Ottawa
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This is getting annoying: This one note message. I get that you, once the most partisan NDP member on the board have converted but you need to do more than remind us of this fact on a constant basis.

 


montrealer58
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Recent converts are always keen to prove their zeal


Basement Dweller
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We are talking no more than a few hundred permanent jobs and a few thousand temporary jobs in all of BC. And many of those won't be British Columbians. North Report, how could this possibly be worth it?


kropotkin1951
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WTF is this thread anyways. Another vanity project by one of the resident goofballs of babble. North Report we understand that the NDP is not your party because you believe in unrestrained capitalism and think climate change is irrelevant. Do you really need a new thread every day to say the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over.


quizzical
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the linked article has nothing to do with Rachel Notley.

 


Ken Burch
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North...why don't you lay out what YOU think would be an effective "jobs" strategy for the NDP.


Nobody here is against the idea of people getting the chance to work in some way for a living, y'know.


If you've got ideas(other than, apparently, telling environmentalists to eff off and First Nations people to, essentially, "take one for the team")

would you mind actually sharing them with us?

Resource extraction jobs are always going to be fairly short-lived, and at some point we either have to reckon with the climate issue or nobody's going to be alive to take the jobs.


Ken Burch
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quizzical wrote:

the linked article has nothing to do with Rachel Notley.

 

Not only that, but Rachel actually has made a significant effort to create and preserve jobs-to the point that she feels obligated to be vehemently anti-Leap on jobs grounds.

Premier Notley's popularity has ONLY plummeted because oil prices have plummeted globally due to Saudi overproduction.  There was nothing she could possibly have done to prevent that situation from happening.


Basement Dweller
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It will be interesting to see what Notley says to try to persuade British Columbians. If she sell Albertans on the NDP, who knows?

In the end, there is only so much a Provincial Government can do about jobs if Trudeau Junior has the corporate lobby whispering in his ear all the time. If he brings back Harper's TFW program, or worse, we are screwed.


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NorthReport wrote:

When is the NDP going to wake up and realize that the party is over, and that their best chance of effectively creating change is from with the Liberal party. 

Why stop there? Wouldn't it be even more awesome to join the Conservatives to stop the Christian Heritage Party? 


Mr. Magoo
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Our rigged "democracy" and beholden "media" are all we need to stop the Christian Heritage Party.

They never even stood a chance.


Ken Burch
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NorthReport wrote:

One thing we can always count on in Canadian politics is for the NDP federally and provincially to regularly shoot themselves in the foot.

By constantly running against jobs the NDP are continuing to assign themselves to the dustbin of political history.

And when the voters tire of the Trudeau juggernault the right-wing will be the main alternative.

When is the NDP going to wake up and realize that the party is over, and that their best chance of effectively creating change is from with the Liberal party. NDPers need to join forces with the Liberals to keep Harper's replacement at bay. 

The Liberals?  As in...the party with even LESS internal democracy than the NDP?


Geoff
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NorthReport wrote:

One thing we can always count on in Canadian politics is for the NDP federally and provincially to regularly shoot themselves in the foot.

By constantly running against jobs the NDP are continuing to assign themselves to the dustbin of political history.

And when the voters tire of the Trudeau juggernault the right-wing will be the main alternative.

When is the NDP going to wake up and realize that the party is over, and that their best chance of effectively creating change is from with the Liberal party. NDPers need to join forces with the Liberals to keep Harper's replacement at bay. 

It's too late to "keep Harper's replacement at bay". Harper's replacement is already in power. His name is Trudeau.


Martin N.
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The solution is for a separation between the leapers and loony left on one hand and the saner, pragmatic elements of the NDP on the other. The problem with that is that the leaper are like a middle aged offspring living in one's basement: they refuse to take responsibility but insist on drinking up the old age pension.

kropotkin1951
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Martin N. wrote:

The solution is for a separation between the leapers and loony left on one hand and the saner, pragmatic elements of the NDP on the other. The problem with that is that the leaper are like a middle aged offspring living in one's basement: they refuse to take responsibility but insist on drinking up the old age pension.

Nice drive by slur of a large portion of the regular posters on this forum. I hate to think of what you will be doing for an encore.  

 


JKR
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swallow wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

When is the NDP going to wake up and realize that the party is over, and that their best chance of effectively creating change is from with the Liberal party. 

Why stop there? Wouldn't it be even more awesome to join the Conservatives to stop the Christian Heritage Party? 

It seems to me that there is a difference in that the Christian Heritage Party has no chance of forming a government while the Conservatives are the current government in waiting to the Liberals and will most likely eventually replace the Liberals as government if we continue operating under our current two-party FPTP system. Like it or not, in our two-party FPTP system the Conservatives and the Liberals are the two big tent parties at the federal level representing the centre-right and the centre-left. Unfortunately once again FPTP has marginalized the federal NDP and other parties like the Greens. Many on the centre-left see how FPTP works so half of the people who voted NDP in 2011 are backing the Liberals since the federal Liberals are the party that is in position to actually implement some left of centre ideas.

I think NorthReport is a strong advocate for the working class and is not allowing partisan politics to override his support for that class even if it means criticizing the NDP, a party he has very strongly supported in the past. I agree that the NDP needs to be recognized as the strongest political party in representing the interests of the working class. Unfortunately in the last BC election Christy Clark and the BC Liberals were seen by very many in the working class as being their best bet. Hopefully the BC NDP prevents a repeat of this situation in the upcoming election here in 2017. Personally I think the BC NDP will be able to run a much better election this time around and I think they have an excellent shot at forming a government here in 5 months. My hunch is that the BC NDP will win a tiny phoney FPTP majority government in 5 months. I also hope they will establish some kind of electoral reform during their first term in time for the next BC election in 2021.


kropotkin1951
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JKR wrote:

I think NorthReport is a strong advocate for the working class and is not allowing partisan politics to override his support for that class even if it means criticizing the NDP, a party he has very strongly supported in the past. I agree that the NDP needs to be recognized as the strongest political party in representing the interests of the working class.

North Report is a strong advocate for the building trades. They are of course working class but they are not THE working class. Spewing the oil and gas industry's flat out lies about job creation with the pipelines and LNG does a disservice to the vast majority of the working class who want economies built locally where they live. A few years of some workers making big money in construction camps is not going to change anything for the vast majority of the working class who will still be facing with nothing except sales and service jobs. That is before you look at the climate change issue and sane people know that expanding the tars sands for export is the worst possible way of creating jobs.  


JKR
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kropotkin1951 wrote:

JKR wrote:

I think NorthReport is a strong advocate for the working class and is not allowing partisan politics to override his support for that class even if it means criticizing the NDP, a party he has very strongly supported in the past. I agree that the NDP needs to be recognized as the strongest political party in representing the interests of the working class.

North Report is a strong advocate for the building trades. They are of course working class but they are not THE working class. Spewing the oil and gas industry's flat out lies about job creation with the pipelines and LNG does a disservice to the vast majority of the working class who want economies built locally where they live. A few years of some workers making big money in construction camps is not going to change anything for the vast majority of the working class who will still be facing with nothing except sales and service jobs. That is before you look at the climate change issue and sane people know that expanding the tars sands for export is the worst possible way of creating jobs.  

I agree that the NDP should be seen as the party that best represents the entire working class. In the last election Christy Clark donned a hard hat, made unrealistic promises about LNG, and spent much of the election visiting work sites and presto she became the fighter for the working class. The BC Liberal campaign was based on smoke and mirrors but in the end it worked and the BC Liberals won from far behind because the NDP could not counter the false narrative that the NDP was the party of "no" to job creation. I think the NDP has to be seen in the eyes of the public as being better at creating good paying jobs than the BC Liberals. I think this includes jobs in areas the NDP is very strong in like health care, education, building green infrastructure, social housing, public transit, public recreation, social services, etc....


NorthReport
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Meanwhile back in the real world.........................but he did nothing to stop it.

Albertans chant 'Lock her up' about Rachel Notley at rally against carbon tax

Conservative leadership hopeful Chris Alexander said he felt 'uncomfortable' during chant

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/chris-alexander-lock-her-up-chant...


Ken Burch
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Neither did your hero Trudeau.

BTW...if you support the Liberals now, does that mean you support the BC Liberals as well?  You know, the people who've given that province fifteen years of environmental devastation while fanning anti-First Nations prejudice, ignoring violence against women & rape culture, AND driving up the jobless rate and homelessness?


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Sean in Ottawa
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NorthReport wrote:

Meanwhile back in the real world.........................but he did nothing to stop it.

Albertans chant 'Lock her up' about Rachel Notley at rally against carbon tax

Conservative leadership hopeful Chris Alexander said he felt 'uncomfortable' during chant

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/chris-alexander-lock-her-up-chant...

The suggestion he felt uncomfortable fits with the whole post truth lie at will environment we are seeing from the right.

He wagged his finger in time to the chant. Any public speaker knows that a palms out fingers-spread gesture means stop and conducting with your finger is encouragement.

Only those well past any desire for truth would go along with the uncomfortable bs.

He got caught, did a new political calculation and that is what made him feel uncomfortable.


josh
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The chant clearly shows that the NDP has a death wish.


Sean in Ottawa
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josh wrote:

The chant clearly shows that the NDP has a death wish.

Huh? What?

I can't imagine how one side's behaviour shows (clearly or otherwise) anything about the wishes of the other.

I certainly do not expect those who disagree with me to be the best representatives of my aspirations nor the reverse.


josh
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Just trying to get the thread back on topic. ;)


Sean in Ottawa
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josh wrote:

Just trying to get the thread back on topic. ;)

aahhh. Well okay.

But then we woudl have to determine if the OP is saying the NDP is dead or that it wants to be. I have been unclear on that. Why would you wish for what you already have?


josh
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Have no idea.  Just as I have no idea how NR went from NDP flack to NDP hater.


JKR
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josh wrote:

Have no idea.  Just as I have no idea how NR went from NDP flack to NDP hater.

I think it may have something to do with the 2013 BC provincial election and the 2015 federal election.


Basement Dweller
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No, it had to do with all the new LNG plants and the creation of 100,000 jobs.


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