Where is the coverage of the Toronto Mayoral race?

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Where is the coverage of the Toronto Mayoral race?

@dandmb50

Where is the coverage of the Toronto Mayoral race, there is a lot of interest in it, here in Toronto but I could find only one recent story (mid August) about Rob Ford.

He sure knows how to perk up our interest and the other candidates know how to shoot Ford down. His campaign is to cut taxes and the over spending at City Hall. But he doesn't explain how he will do that.

Ford

The campaign is coming to an end but it hasn't died down a bit yet in Toronto, and the mud slinging has only just begun with debates picking up in early September with the election in October.

He's (Ford) currently in the lead in the poles but that could change in the next month, with George Smitherman running in second place.

Daniel .. Toronto

nussy

Some days there is wall to to wall coverage on AM radio. 

The newspapers are covering it as well........

Maysie Maysie's picture

Please post any links that you find on this sad spectacle that makes me cry if I think about it too much.

Moving to central canada, where all the Toronto municipal election threads are and will be.

 

nussy

I don't want to make you cry. Enjoy the beautiful sunshine. In the end you may yet have tears of joy. 

edmundoconnor

It should be noted that those Ford supporters carrying signs behind him could be breaking the sign bylaw. As I was informed in no uncertain terms by the city, there should be no signs on public highways within 1.5m of the road, or within 15m of intersections. As the city acts reactively, call 311 when you see possible infractions. Just because it's being carried by a person doesn't make any less legal.

Cueball Cueball's picture

Of course it is legal. It's a public demonstration.

edmundoconnor

My understanding (gleaned at an information session on Thursday night at Metro Hall) is that signs advocating a specific candidate who has filed papers at City Hall, e.g. "Vote [Whoever]" cannot be displayed within 1.5m of the road, or within 15m of an intersection, and moreover, cannot be displayed anywhere outside of a candidate's campaign office until October 4. T-shirts, badges and stickers are fine, however.

If my understanding of the relevant bylaw is faulty, then I apologize.

 

Cueball Cueball's picture

You should be aware that the tendentious use of bylaws for frivilous political purposes is an underlying theme of the Ford Campaign. Obviously, the bylaw restricting use of signage is meant to prevent candidates from using market saturation through purchasing road side ads, and is meant to prevent wealthy candidates from being able to purchase public profile at the detriment to less wealthy candidates.

On the other hand, people carrying placards are not the same thing at all, and in my view, trying to go after Ford on this issue could easily be construed as a pernicious piece of political gamesmanship intended to limit the freedom of speech of individuals. Indeed I agree!

Why not argue that people must remove their "Ford" bumper stickers before they use the DVP? If you are really trying to hand more talking points to the Libertarian right, this one is perfect.

 

edmundoconnor

I shouldn't have used the Ford campaign as my example. I don't have much time for his ideas, but *any* campaign who does it shouldn't, and if they do, should be reported. What the City chooses to do then is up to them. They should actively go after *every* campaign that does it (and even the ones that I agree with have their halos pretty tarnished) just so one side's supporters can't cry foul. Or, rather, cry foul for a reason.

It may be an unintended consequence of the bylaw, but it is nevertheless a consequence.

And the signs I've seen supporters carry so far look exactly like campaign signs, to be put on lawns or fences or whatever. While there is a fuzzy area, I'd argue that any sign that could be placed in a window, hammered into a lawn, or stapled to a fence and used as a campaign sign is a campaign sign.

To take your example, I would never argue that. Bumper stickers are perfectly fine, according to the city.

Cueball Cueball's picture

All laws are viewed in the context of the purpose of the the law, not the "letter" of the law per se. If the bylaw prevented individuals from carrying signs and having bumper stickers on their car, it does not pass muster with the charter, which is superior law to the bylaw. I don't care if the bylaw says that "black people can't walk their dogs in public parks on Sundays" or not. Once a law is used in a manner that conflicts with basic rights, it is invalid.

Doug

Oh, it's getting serious now - the Globe and Mail has submitted the candidates' signatures to a graphologist. Undecided

 

We know she's incredibly accurate because she says Rob Ford likes culture.

 

 

nussy

Is Hockey and Football and beer culture? If so he likes it. 

Polunatic2

This campaign continues to get stranger by the day. At first I thought this was a joke. 

Smitherman’s brother runs for council, backs Ford

 

adma

Of course, the press is making more out of it than it is.  You might as well harp over the son of a Mulroney Tory heading the federal NDP...

Stockholm

To be fair - it would be more comparable if Jack layton's father was a current Tory cabinet minister under Harper and Jack was leading the NDP attacking his own father during question period.

adma

In any event, we're talking about a "rogue brother" situation here--the situation would have been no different 4 or 7 years ago.  It's just that it's "reportable" now, as if it were anything but a preexisting condition...

Stockholm

It's pretty common knowledge that Smitherman has a toxic personality and seems to have the book "how to lose friends and alienate people" as his inspiration. I don't know the man personally, but every single person I've met who has had any personal interaction with him - either when he was Hall's Chief of Staff in the 90s to during his time in provincial politics - has told me the same thing - that he is personally abusive, nasty and vindictive. He is apparently another one of those people (like Helena Guergis) who has a revolving door in his office of people who work him for two days and then quit because they can't take the abuse.

So, it should come as no surprise that his poor interpersonal skills extend to his family.

Polunatic2

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You might as well harp over the son of a Mulroney Tory heading the federal NDP...

Harping? I posted because I thought it was an interesting (side) story related to the topic at hand - the mayor's race in Toronto in 2010. Check the thread title. 

dandmb50 dandmb50's picture

dandmb50 - Nice try Rossi, that's your platform, scrap the arena (which we need desperately,) and the 5 cent bag fee? Not much of a platform.
I think things are getting worse and worser in this campaign for mayor.

Ford's been doing well in the "polls" but if he pushes this canceling streetcar strategy issue I think people will not respond well to it. I love my streetcars and now that the city has just built (over budget) streetcar ROW (right of ways) all over downtown, this may be the one issue that finishes Ford. It's "NOT" a plan to save money.
How do we "save" money if we throw away all those streetcars and ROW routes, it doesn't make sense, and what about the orders for the new streetcars, will we get our deposit back? We need a plan that works. All the kookie ideas are coming out now.

Daniel .. Toronto

 

nussy

I heard Ford on CFRB this morning. He is using the term "them socialists" . Is he taking lessons from Glen Beck? 

Cueball Cueball's picture

People should stop talking about Ford's popularity. He isn't popular. His opposition is devided that is all. Rossi has no ideas, he is a good speaker but no platform to speak of. He is running on personality alone. He seems to have one. Thompson's claim to fame is bringing potato chips to gas stations in Toronto -- perhaps she would like it if the folks who staff the Toronto Film Permit office, had a kiosk where they could sell pop, chips and juice to location scouts while they are doing their paper work? Smitherman is running on a campaign of decreased costs and increased services -- how he is going to turn this trick has not been explained, except that he intends to spend the first year as the city budget chief, and bring the city to a halt while he does a line by line budget review and terrorizes the staff at City Hall.

Pantalone is the only one who has a platform who isn't lying to the public and telling them they can get more services and better service for less money. Panatlone should speak louder or closer to the microphone, that is about the only criticism I have of him.

In fact, the whole campaign is basically being leveraged through the negative campaigning of Ford, on the false premise that the city is broken, and this has catalyzed the vote of a comprised of whiners who can't stand the idea of things like that they might be delayed for 2 minutes behind a streetcar once a week.

Ford's posse, looks like an unpleasant group of inner city gangbangers dressed in suits.

dandmb50 dandmb50's picture

Cueball wrote:

People should stop talking about Ford's popularity. He isn't popular. His opposition is devided that is all.

That's the nice thing about Toronto and Canada, people can talk/support anyone they want. The only poll that counts, is on election day and the people, not, Cue will make that decision.

Daniel .. Toronto

Cueball Cueball's picture

He is polling in the mid 30's. That isn't "popular". Popular is a vote share in the 40's at least. All that say is that he has managed to catalyze one particular voter group, not plurality of support.

Cueball Cueball's picture

DP.

St. Paul's Prog...

I wish Joe Mihevc or Shelley Carroll would have run.

Polunatic2

I was glad to hear Pantalone on the news yesterday refuting the "Toronto is broken" meme. In light of the fact that there's no run-off voting in municipal elections, let's hope Rocco stays in the race to help split the vote. 

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I wish Joe Mihevc or Shelley Carroll would have run.

I guess the consolation prize is that they'll likely be on the next council to give Pantalone the support he'll need. 

OldManActivist OldManActivist's picture

There are right now FORTY people running for Mayor.

I am hoping to gather links infos and photos of them all here:

 

http://davenportdemocracy.blogspot.com/2010/09/pick-mayor.html

The media pummels us with coverage of the 'front-runner' five, but there are others.

OldManActivist OldManActivist's picture

Sonny Yeung withdrew, some added, nominations now closed so the final slate is a choice of 41 for Mayor.

Yet our mainstream media only pays attention to their selected top 5.

Is this right or good for civic engagement? Or is it a mockery of democracy?

Cueball Cueball's picture

No. Indeed, it was very interesting being at the all candidates debate this tuesday, since the line up basically meant that the right wing agenda got 4 times the overall speaking time than the "left" view represented by Joe Pantalone -- not the Joe is any kind of radical, or anything. Thus we see how the media and its friends at the Board of Trade effectively set the agenda by default.

edmundoconnor

St. Paul's Progressive wrote:

I wish Joe Mihevc or Shelley Carroll would have run.

I think Carroll's keeping her powder dry for 2014.

Doug

Women don't matter.

Frontrunning Toronto mayoral candidate Rob Ford has suddenly dropped out of a "Women Matter" candidates' debate Friday night, an organizer says.

Ford's campaign had previously confirmed that he would attend the debate on "issues of gender representation and diversity in city politics", hosted by Equal Voice Toronto, the Toronto Women's City Alliance and the YWCA, said debate spokesperson Gabby Richichi-Fried.

Somebody from the Ford camp called one of the organizers at 2 a.m. Friday to say he can't attend because "he has to go to a barbecue," Richichi-Fried said.

 

 

 

OldManActivist OldManActivist's picture

My coverage of 4 person mayoral debate Sept 13 in ward18 (Smitherman didn't show):

 

 http://davenportdemocracy.blogspot.com/

 

They spoke of bedbugs, electric trains, affordable housing, panhandlers, inclusion/exclusion of other mayor candidates, school closings, whellchair accessibility, bike lanes.... and their love for each other (scratch that last one)

Cueball Cueball's picture

Thanks for that. Anyone know what that scurilous bunch of "arts" developers the active18 are on about?

writer writer's picture

How about that bold, visionary announcement by Rocco Rossi: take one killed expressway, shove it underground and [url=http://roccorossi.com/releases/%E2%80%9Cwelcome-to-the-toronto-tunnel%E2...

Doug

I was fully convinced Rob Ford would come up with the dumbest ideas of the campaign until that happened.

Lord Palmerston

I attended the Good Jobs for All forum (it wasn't a debate but in interview format) and I'm now even more convinced that Smitherman is the most dangerous candidate.

Cueball Cueball's picture

Someone asked him how much of Toronto he wanted to "sell to business" or something like that. I couldn't quite hear the question.

Lord Palmerston

Smitherman's statement about how "advisery committees" were "bullshit" seemed to get him a lot of applause.

He also tried to push his privatization if necessary but not necessarily privatization crap. 

OldManActivist OldManActivist's picture

Cueball asked "Anyone know what that scurilous bunch of "arts" developers the active 18 are on about?"

Rather wish I knew.  They held what they advertised as an "all candidates debate" with only 9 of the 12 people running. Ken Wood, also a candidate,  was there but told he was welcome to 'ask questions at the end of the debate'. He left. They initially tried to get only certain councillors there, but added a limited few after complaints were made.  There were about 50 or so people attending.

Didn't stay as it looked like platforms being given to candidates to spout predetermined lines.

Actibve18 website is: http://active18.org/about

 

Question for me is who is Active 18 - really? And "what are they on about?"

 

OldManActivist OldManActivist's picture

Hey Cueball... should have waited to post. Just found this about active18 debate:

http://www.torontoobserver.ca/2010/09/14/curbing-rowdy-revellers-in-ward...

 

Topics reported as complaints about rowdy bars, bad planning for development...

Cueball Cueball's picture

Ahh, I thought it was something other than it is.

Doug
Lord Palmerston

[url=http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/torontomayoralrace/article/861910--torie... back Smitherman[/url]

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Former provincial Liberal cabinet minister George Smitherman, trying to stop the Rob Ford mayoral juggernaut, has attracted endorsements from high-profile Tories, including Mike Harris-era cabinet ministers.

“We’re conservatives. He’s a Liberal,” begins an open letter titled “Why We Support George” that includes the names of almost 40 provincial and federal Conservatives, including former citizenship, culture and recreation minister Isabel Basset.

She circulated the email at the request of his campaign, said Stefan Baranski, a spokesman for the candidate and former Conservative communications aide who is himself a signatory. Others include Jamie Watt, a strategist and senior Smitherman campaign adviser.

“He’s tough. But he’s fair,” says the letter also signed by former ministers Charles Harnick (attorney-general) and Dan Newman (environment). He “is the only candidate who has said it’s the mayor’s job to create the climate where businesses will thrive and jobs will be created right here,” the signatories say.

Smitherman, an early frontrunner who is now trailing the penny-pinching Ford, recently promised conservative measures including a “war on waste” and a temporary freeze on property taxes.

takeitslowly

for someone who live in downtown (or whatever) who does not get why so many suckers are angry at the city hall, i know why even though i know it wont do me any good.

The scarborough rt is seriously dated. I was on it today going to my 12 dollar an hour job and the train just broke down, and we were trapped in there for like 45 mins and i had to walk out and take a bus to the kennedy station eventually..

I know we have transit city, but it seems like city hall just doesnt care that much for the longest time, and Rob ford is the one that is making the right noises , and he is a good choice for venting out our collective frustration with the relatively well paid TTC union members..due to what happened today, i was thinking back to the time when the york university union strike really cost me a job at the university, and i am still angry over that.

I must admit, i really want to vote for Rob Ford tonight, just out of my total bitterness and frustration and the fact that i dont give a shit anymore and i am going to get screwed anyways so i dont care what Rob Ford will do or not do.

Sometimes being angry is all i feel like i can be.

and if this doesnt convince you

check this out

 

The TTC has begun the first phase of the implementation of station managers at eight downtown subway stations.

why? we dont deserve it in scarborough just yet? do we get station managers after we decided to keep ford out?

 

edited* yeah and "solidarity" with the union, maybe one day after the union members finish giving their jobs to their friends, relatives, people like me will get to join their club..or i can wait for a leftist revolution and i will be set free from exploitation.

Cueball Cueball's picture

You get millions thrown out the window because some suburban drivers can't figure out that the streetcars that are blocking their way are stuck behind cars driven by suburbanites.

And you will still be taking the bus.

takeitslowly

speaking with so many newcomers and ethnic minorities living in scarborough (who might not be fluent in english) can be challenging, but city hall didnt pay enough attention, politicans of all stripes play to their own base and they dont take the time to try to reach out to those people who are different than them..whatever.

takeitslowly

 Robby left a robo call to me way back in May, i did feel somewhat special. Embarassed

I am actually educated and i am not stupid enough to think any of these fools will make my life any better. I will get one extra large cup of single single tim horton coffee and make a toss when PM Harpo is gone though.

I did talk to Joe Pentalone actually, he came to campaign at scarborough civic centre for some asian chinese event, he seemed to also think that the most important issues like job losses and provety are the responsibilities of the federal and provinical government, so who cares about the city hall? at least i can vote for robby and piss everyone off to get some psychological release.

 edited* do not undermine the self destructive nature of those who feel hopeless and cynical.

Cueball Cueball's picture

And Rob Ford is Mr. Equity now, I spose.

Cueball Cueball's picture

How about making it worse?

This is ridiculous really. We can't keep making plans, digging holes, and filling them in every time some new idealogue comes along with his brand of populism. Rob Ford's transit plan services half the area of Scarborough that Transit city does, throws millions down the toilet in already started construction, and more millions down the tube when he scraps streetcars that we are already on the hook for purchasing. 

Sometimes "vision" means finishing the job already started.

Edited to add. Of course job losses, and most social safety system are primarily the responsibility of the Federal and Provincial government. There is nothing that the city can do about that other than complain about it because the City is not allowed to tax anything other than property. Otherwise, they have to beg the province and the feds. End of story.

On this point, Joe Panatlone clearly said he would freeze property taxed on pensioners, so that the city tax bills don't end up forcing them to vacate their homes. And this tid-bit tells you everything you need to know about Joe Pantalone. As opposed to sky high crazy promises, obviously he has thought seriously about some issues, and about ways to solve them, as opposed to blowing smoke up everyones ass.

writer writer's picture

I'm volunteering for Pantalone's campaign this afternoon.

[url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/toronto/marcus-gee/progress... Pantalone loses his way in a sea of Ford sound-alike[/url], Marcus Gee, Globe and Mail

edmundoconnor

I'd go and help Joe, but I'm otherwise engaged.

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