Coalition government - who gets which roles?

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Adam T
Coalition government - who gets which roles?

I don't mean to be putting the cart before the horse here, but it does seem likely the 'coalition' will actually form the government.

 

I'm surprised they decided on a 24 member cabinet since the present senior cabinet has about 28 members, which is also divisible by 4 (which portfolios will they eliminate?).

 

I'd think the NDP will lean towards westerners since the Liberals have so few of them in the Parliament.

I'd go with:

1.Jack Layton (duh :D)

2.Thomas Mulcair

3. Dawn Black

4.Linda Duncan

5.Judy Wasylcia Leis or Charlie Angus

6.Joe Comartin.

 

I'd put Linda Duncan at Environment, Dawn Black at Defence and Joe Comartin at Attorney General.  Have to think about the rest. 

Star Spangled C...

Is Comartin a lawyer?

Mulcair is the msot talented guy they've got (including Layton). He should get the top economic portfolio given to the NDP. Or possibly environment since I think that's what he held in Quebec..

Papal Bull

The NDP needs to be careful about what they pick up. I can't imagine the defence portfolio going over well with the Armed Forces, particularly given the NDP's stance on Afghanistan and what I would imagine is a proclivity to put reigns on spending and additional oversight.

Adam T

1.Yes Comartin is a lawyer. He worked for the CAW.  I'd say he's a rather brilliant lawyer too.

 

2.How do I edit here?  It's Judy Wacylycia Leis.

 3.I agree on Mulcair.  

 

4.Industry, Thomas Mulcair. 

 

Adam T

Papal Bull wrote:
The NDP needs to be careful about what they pick up. I can't imagine the defence portfolio going over well with the Armed Forces, particularly given the NDP's stance on Afghanistan and what I would imagine is a proclivity to put reigns on spending and additional oversight.

The decision has already been made that Canada will pull out of Kandahar in 2011.

I think what you write is a good thing.  The last thing we need is ministers 'going native'.  (I have no idea where that phrase comes from, I don't think it's meant to be racist, it refers, for anybody who doesn't know, to a minister who becomes an appologist for their department.) 

 

Dana Larsen

I'd love to see Libby Davies as Minister of Health. 

The Minister of Health has the power to reschedule any substance in the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act at his or her discretion. Thus the Minister of Health can legalize marijuana or any other substance without a vote in Parliament.

If we got an NDP Minister of Justice, they would be able to stop the Marc Emery extradition without a vote in Parliament. My understanding is that the Minister of Justice can declare the extradition attempt invalid and end it at any time.

But would NDP ministers be bold enough to take such steps on these issues? 

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I understood that Dion was choosing the cabinet with advice from Layton.  I wonder what the political consideration will be.  Will Dion veto Mulcair to avoid raising the NDP profile in Quebec.  I also cannot see Judy W. due to her role in the Goodale RCMP investigation (not that she did anything wrong, but because Liberals have created a myth about her being part of their fall from power).

Star Spangled C...

Dana Larsen wrote:

If we got an NDP Minister of Justice, they would be able to stop the Marc Emery extradition without a vote in Parliament. My understanding is that the Minister of Justice can declare the extradition attempt invalid and end it at any time.

I'm still a Canadian citizen despite living south of teh border for a long time. I can still vote and I can still contribute. This is my pledge: if they stop the extradition of Marc Emery, they will get a cheque from me that same day for the maximum donation allowed under the law and my vote in every election for as long as I remain a citizen.

theleftyinvestor

How about Linda Duncan for Natural Resources rather than Environment?

Given six positions, and a need to represent the whole country through the cabinet, it would be prudent to pick NDPers from regions where the NDP has really broken through or done way better than the Liberals. That gives us BC, Alberta (Duncan), Manitoba, Quebec (Mulcair). With Layton in the mix, we only have one spot left for all of (Ontario + Atlantic Canada). Comartin's a good pick but he'd be a second Ontario guy... maybe Jack Harris from Newfoundland, who's also a lawyer and a party veteran?

Sunday Hat

Adam T wrote:
How do I edit here?  It's Judy Wacylycia Leis.
Just so we're clear. It's spelled Judy Wasylycia-Leis on her website. And she'd be strong in Cabinet.

 While I agree with folks about these picks in terms of talent and regional representation I'll propose an additional consideration. People should also consider the party's next generation and grooming some younger leaders. I think that's a case for Chris Charlton, Brian Masse, Peter Julian, Nathan Cullen, Megan Leslie, Charlie Angus, Paul Dewar. Though, for all I know, these folks could be older than I think.

It would be fun to get Jack Harris in Cabinet too. In terms of building on our Newfoundland beachead.

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1.Jack Layton

2.Thomas Mulcair

3.Charlie Angus

4. Linda Duncan

5. Judy Wasylycia Leis/Jack Harris?

6. Olivia Chow

House Leader Libby Davies

Deputy Speake Denise Savoie

And 9-12 SoS positions for the NDP and 6 for the Liberals.

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Vansterdam Kid

I think a lot of NDP members could make become Cabinet Ministers. But, I'm not really sure why they've settled on 6 of 24 Cabinet Ministers, the relative caucus sizes of the Liberals and NDP would dictate more like 8 or 9 NDP Ministers. Then again, aren't these numbers rumours still?

Anyhow, assuming 6 Ministers.

I'd guess something along the lines of

Jack Layton, Thomas Mulcair, Charlie Angus, Judy Wasylycia-Leis, Linda Duncan, Libby Davies and possibly Nathan Cullen.

I know that's seven, but I'm assuming Davies would be Government House Leader, which isn't a minister per se.

Because the Liberals are so weak out west (other than Dosanjh and Goodale, the only other potential Minister I could imagine is Murray - and bleh to that), I could imagine seeing Angus dropped, in favour of another westerner. Though I coud imagine that the NDP would want to add someone from the east, which could mean Godin gets in and either Angus or Cullen would be dropped.

If there are more like 8 or 9 NDP Ministers I'd add Christopherson, Harris, Julian, Chow or Leslie as potential extras.

 ETA: Sunday Hat, Cullen is in his early to mid 30's.

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Sunday Hat wrote:
While I agree with folks about these picks in terms of talent and regional representation I'll propose an additional consideration. People should also consider the party's next generation and grooming some younger leaders. I think that's a case for Chris Charlton, Brian Masse, Peter Julian, Nathan Cullen, Megan Leslie, Charlie Angus, Paul Dewar. Though, for all I know, these folks could be older than I think.

It would be fun to get Jack Harris in Cabinet too. In terms of building on our Newfoundland beachead.

I think Secretary of State positions would be suitable to some new comers as well as long term NDP MP's. 

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Doug

Dana Larsen wrote:

The Minister of Health has the power to reschedule any substance in the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act at his or her discretion. Thus the Minister of Health can legalize marijuana or any other substance without a vote in Parliament.

Not quite. The change has to be approved by cabinet. That's usually just a formality, but in a coalition situation it'll be different. I doubt this cabinet would go for that approach - and I don't think in my opinion that they should. Marijuana legalization needs to be a bit more complicated than just descheduling it - such as creating a regulation to prevent its sale to minors.

Michelle

Actually, no.  Let's leave this open, but we'll do ALL predictions/preferences about positions in a new coalition government here.  So that includes leadership, cabinet, etc.

vaudree

It is not just important who the NDP Ministers are (and we do have a lot of talent) but that there are NDP members working in conjunction with the Liberal Ministers - to make sure that the specifics of the deal are being honoured.

Jack Layton's goal is to make any external visit look like that of the Three Wise Men - that he and Duceppe get invites to the SPP meetings and all meetings with foreign dignitaries.

Although the critic portfolios no longer officially exist - their purpose under the present situation is still important.  It would be important that those NDP members not in cabinet each still have a task of keeping track of certain types of information.  We will need skill on both sides (Minister and pseudo backbencher).

Can't say Jack did not warn Harper in his pre Budget speech.   Never underestimate a guy with a reputation for negotiation!

Linda Duncan I think will be in there.  I will look at who gets to ask questions today and tomorrow (excluding Jack) - and rank them that way. 

Dana Larsen - I would think that you would rather see Libby Davies as Minister of Justice - though, if extradition has already taken place, it may be too late.  Actually, I am surprised that Warner Bros hasn't tried to sue you or your publisher Marc Emery yet - they are pretty protective of property rights.  If you didn't toke and drive (and only toked) then you would be part of history right now. But then again, you have to keep a show interesting for others to watch.

The problem with this "Three Wise Men" set up is that the agreement is to only focus on what they all agree with and ignore dealing with that which they cannot agree on.  I think that we will see action concerning handguns (what all three campaigned on) before we see action on pot.

Will S

Considering the Liberals only have 1 MP in Northern Ontario (Anthony Rota of North Bay), it's a pretty safe bet that one of the NDP MPs from Northern Ontario will have to be named to cabinet for regional considerations. Probably Angus. Maybe another will be a parliamentary secretary.

Duncan is a shoo-in. I doubt Harris will be in because there are so many Nfld Libs. Nova Scotia is going to be interesting. I figure Brison will be in, but who else? If Bill Casey is as pro-coalition as Layton says, they might try to get him in to appease right-leaning voters. If not, maybe an NDPer? Godin will probably get in for New Brunswick, or maybe as a parliamentary secretary.

Mulcair might get in, but the Liberals will probably take all Quebec cabinet seats. I'm thinking a lot of NDPers will be from the West. Plus, what about the North? Is Bagnell or Bevington going to be in cabinet or will one or the other be parliamentary secretaries? I think Northerners might be miffed that Leona Aglukkaq was dumped so soon since there was a lot of pride in her appointment (although considering she was part a consensus style government in Nunavut, maybe they'll try to convince her to cross the floor and stay in Health - I know, it's crazy, but I don't think we can rule anything out after what's transpired over the past few days). I'm really interested to see which Liberals get left out and what this might do to the Liberal leadership race/internal party dynamics. It's hard enough to satisfy regional considerations and egos in one party, but two? It's going to be tough.

As great as it'll be to see the back end of Harper, this coalition is going to be difficult to sustain.

Stockholm

Is anyone planning any festivities for the moment Harper is really dead as a doornail? I know i will dust off my soundtrack from the Wizard of Oz and blast "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead" and then dance a jig.  But it would be nice to have some bonfires where people can ceremoniously burn effigies of Harper.

Interested Observer Interested Observer's picture

I think y'all are wrong about Charlie Angus as he seemed quite against the coalition in the leaked audio tapes. I doubt with that stance he could stomach a cabinet position. 

 

Brian Topp: Our friends on the blue team seem to mostly focus on sticks, and not so much on carrots. ;)

Sean in Ottawa

The best way to honour harper's memory is to forget him. I can't wait for the day when I have to explain who that guy was.

David Young

I'd love to see Jack Layton with responsibilities for Municipal relations.

Mulcair as a cabinet minister should be a given, with his past experience in Quebec.

David Christopherson has experience as a Cabinet Minister during the Rae government, so I think he should be a consideration for a cabinet post.

Jack Harris should also be a consideration, as should Judy Wasylycia-Leis and Linda Duncan.

Should the new coalition go through, does it also mean a new Speaker?

Dana Larsen

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Marijuana legalization needs to be a bit more complicated than just descheduling it - such as creating a regulation to prevent its sale to minors.

That could be done by the provinces, in the same way as alcohol and tobacco are dealt with. Neither one of them is scheduled at the federal level.

Indeed the issue is going to be forced upon whoever holds power. A court decision in BC ruled that the feds have until July 2009 to rewrite the drug laws to incorporate legal possession and trafficking by doctors and nurses for health purposes and to legally allow supervised injection sites and so on, then the whole section of possession and trafficking in all substances is struck down.

If the federal government loses their appeal and also does nothing to write a new law, which is possible, then the responsibility for regulating the situation will fall on the provinces and cities.

Parliament was unable to write a new abortion law after the existing law was struck down in 1988, and so there is no criminal abortion law in Canada. The same thing could be happening to our drug prohibition laws.

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Dana Larsen - I would think that you would rather see Libby Davies as Minister of Justice - though, if extradition has already taken place, it may be too late.

Marc's extradition hearing keeps getting set back for a variety of reasons. Previously there had been an advance hearing for motions planned for December, with a week set aside for the actual extradition hearing in February. But a scheduling conflict on the part of the judge delayed the motions hearing until February, with the extradition hearing currently planned for June 2009.

My understanding is that an NDP Justice Minister would be able to stop the extradition process at any time.

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Actually, I am surprised that Warner Bros hasn't tried to sue you or your publisher Marc Emery yet - they are pretty protective of property rights.

It's too late for a lawsuit now, the book has been out almost a year. Actually it has just been released in the UK as a paperback book, it was just printed a few weeks back. I am working on the sequel, "Hairy Pothead and the 420 Code" due out in Spring of next year. 

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If you didn't toke and drive (and only toked) then you would be part of history right now. 

Well I was unlikely to win my seat even if I had made it through the election. The NDP gets usually 20% in my riding.

However, my resignation was actually done before the TV clips were even aired, and had nothing to do with the "one rolled for the road" clip. I actually resigned hours earlier, after queries from the Globe and Mail over the previous sale of coca leaves and seedlings at the Vancouver Seed Bank. But really in retrospect I see that my candidacy was doomed from the start without me and especially the rest of the NDP having a plan and messaging to deal with a controversial candidate like myself.

 

Centrist

Don't forget that its Stephane Dion that will select the 6 cabinet ministers from the NDP caucus. This is how I see it playing out:

BC - 1 (either Cullen or Julian)

AB - 1 (Duncan - No other NDP or Lib representation in province)

ON - 2 (Layton + one other)

PQ - 1 (Mulcair)

NS - 1 

NorthReport

I think Layton will have some say about this, don't you agree?

 

Centrist wrote:

Don't forget that its Stephane Dion that will select the 6 cabinet ministers from the NDP caucus. This is how I see it playing out:

BC - 1 (either Cullen or Julian)

AB - 1 (Duncan - No other NDP or Lib representation in province)

ON - 2 (Layton + one other)

PQ - 1 (Mulcair)

NS - 1 

nogoodboyo

I may be drunk on false hope but this is how I would like to see the six dipper seats go:

Charlie Angus, Aboriginal Affairs (ratify the UN convention on indigenous rightsl, general decolonization)

Linda Duncan, Environment (issuing tar sands pink slips)

Jack
Layton, Infrastructure (building epic subway systems in every city
except Halifax, which will have a japanese monorail whipping around the
bedford basin, reboot the federal housing program)

Libby Davies, Health (expand InSite to every major city, actually enforce the Canada Health Act, decriminalize it all)

Meaghan
Leslie, Attorney General (Khadr home, Emery keeps his Canadian dope
layer, s. 213 repealed, young offenders act restored and liberalized)

Olivia Chow, Citizenship and Immigration (declaring Canada a Sanctuary Country, recognizing credentials like a machine)

 

of
course, I would trade all six to have Nash in National Defence, which
would shortly thereafter be converted to the Minister of International
Solidarity and run peace exercises with the Bolivarian militaries of
the south.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Doug

Sean in Ottawa wrote:
The best way to honour harper's memory is to forget him. I can't wait for the day when I have to explain who that guy was.

Oh yeahhhh...the guy who used to wear all the sweaters!

Bookish Agrarian

I have a sneaking suspicion (based on nothing) that Layton won't be in the cabinet, but will instead maintain a role as Leader of the NDP and some other kind of spokesperson role.

Politics101

As I posted in an earlier thread - I don't beleive that Libby Davies is a lawyer so I don't see her getting the Justice position - she would do a good job in Health

Lord Palmerston

I really doubt Peter Julian will be in Cabinet.  His big focus is deep integration and that is an issue where the Libs and NDP are very far apart.   I think Libby Davies will most likely be the BC NDPer in Cabinet. 

Besides Davies, I'd think it would be Angus, Comartin, Layton, Mulcair and Wyslycia-Leis.

I don't think Comartin is likely to be Justice Minister either.  I think that will most likely go to Irwin Cotler from the Liberals.

genstrike

I wonder who will represent Manitoba?  The only Liberal in the province is Anita Neville, and while not the least talented MP around, she isn't exactly a superstar.  If Bill Blaikie was still around, he would be a shoe-in.  So it's between Neville, Pat Martin, Jim Maloway and Niki Ashton.

Edit:  forgot the obvious choice, Judy W-L.

Webgear

nogoodboyo wrote:

of course, I would trade all six to have Nash in National Defence, which would shortly thereafter be converted to the Minister of International Solidarity and run peace exercises with the Bolivarian militaries of the south.

I hope you get your wish.

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I had sort of assumed that Layton would take a Cabinet role as well but I am intrigued by the optics of NOT taking one.  How do you accuse someone of self-serving politics when you are so obviously not being self-serving - delicious.

Mulcair should be a given (and while not stated in the Accord, I have to believe that his inclusion around the table was a red-line in the negotiations).  He is, even more than Layton, our "star" and he simply has to be included.  Industry, Inter-governmental relations or Foreign Affairs.

Duncan gets in because of the regional considerations (only Alberta non-Tory MP) and while Environment seems obvious she is a lawyer by profession and Justice is a possible.  I would really like to see her in an Energy portfolio promoting Alberta's wind-power leadership while finding a means of developing the Oil Sands in a more environmentally manner - sorry folks, the Oil Sands are not going to be shut down by anyone.

Comartin is another Justice/Attorney General option.  I like the idea of an economic portfolio, though obviously Finance is out - my guess there is that they go with Goodale, he's done it before and will calm the markets because of his familiarity.

Libby in Health is a good call and will be a great minister whatever her portfolio.

Interesting times to be sure.

Sunday Hat

Another question is WHICH 6 ministries and which 6 PAs. The accord doesn't indicate but I assume NDP PAs for NDP Ministers.... If Dion wants a larger Cabinet (and most Cabinets are larger) there will be more NDP Ministers.

We know for sure Finance is out - which makes me think Industry is in.

I don't the NDP can get Health, Environment, Justice, Indian Affairs AND Immigration.

Which six will they get?

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Lord Palmerston wrote:
I really doubt Peter Julian will be in Cabinet.  His big focus is deep integration and that is an issue where the Libs and NDP are very far apart.   I think Libby Davies will most likely be the BC NDPer in Cabinet. 

Besides Davies, I'd think it would be Angus, Comartin, Layton, Mulcair and Wyslycia-Leis.

Nope. There is no way Linda Duncan will not be part of a cabinet she is the only coalition MP from AB. Nor should there be more males than females. 6 spots 3 females in both the 6 cabinet and 6 SoS positions.

Libby will be House Leader.

 

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I don't that Layton should assume a cabinet position, frankly I will be disappointed if he does take one. This is a coalition, not a merger, and I think Layton should be a stepped removed from the cabinet. Likewise, I think Davies might do better as NDP house leader and not in cabinet. It is not as if the talent pool isn't sufficient to fill the cabinet. Also, where is the "Dion is going to choose his cabinet" coming from. I would think that the composition of the cabinet is something that is going to have to be agreed upon by the caucuses... not the PM dictating... I thought this was, at least in part, motivating the coalition... trying to get away from an executive PM.

I do hope Comartin is one of those in cabinet... I didn't vote for him during the leadership race because I didn't think he had the persona to be chief spokesperson for the party... but I definitely think he has what it takes to be a valuable cabinet minister.

Stockholm

I'd like to see an NDP MP as Minister of HRSDC (Human Resources and Social Development Canada) since that department is in charge of child care, EI and all other social programs.

longtime lurker

 Given that the proceedings of cabinet meetings are supposed to be confidential Layton needs to be involved to be fully up to speed on what is happening.

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Layton, will be a part of any cabinet meeting, regardless of his having a cabinet position or not.

 EI is to become a separate entity, under the coalition agrerement.

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V. Jara

Don't forget that in addition to 6 ministers, the NDP would get 6 parliamentary secretaries.

V. Jara

Double post.

natas

Angus for heritage!

If he gets teeth, he influences the copyright bill.

Setting sights low compared to 'general decolonization', I admit Smile

V. Jara

Dana Larsen wrote:

I'd love to see Libby Davies as Minister of Health. 

The Minister of Health has the power to reschedule any substance in the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act at his or her discretion. Thus the Minister of Health can legalize marijuana or any other substance without a vote in Parliament.

If we got an NDP Minister of Justice, they would be able to stop the Marc Emery extradition without a vote in Parliament. My understanding is that the Minister of Justice can declare the extradition attempt invalid and end it at any time.

But would NDP ministers be bold enough to take such steps on these issues? 

 

I'd love it if the government would have the balls to do that. I HIGHLY doubt it though (no pun intended). As for legalizing marijuana, rescheduling would not be good enough IMO. There would need to be consultations and recommendations on bringing in a proper regulatory structures like the governments have for tobacco and alcohol. I also like the attitude you've taken to your resignation. Hopefully future pro-legalisation candidates can be saved the troubles you were put through. 

longtime lurker

 

General decolonization would be very bad news for most of us given Canada is a product of colonialism.

Policywonk

Duncan would be good in either Energy or Environment. I think there should be a Climate Change portfolio, but it seems unlikely with only 24 members of the cabinet.

tostig

Dion should pull a Stephen Harper and hire John Baird to cross the floor and be Government House leader.  That should shut Harper up.

madmax

Elizabeth May= Senate

Dion Patronage appointment 

 

Quote:
 

And Green Party Leader Elizabeth May is endorsing the proposed coalition government and says she has spoken with Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion about the possibility of her being appointed to the Senate.

Your thoughts..... before mine.

 

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Canada misses Peggy Nash

Le T Le T's picture

"General decolonization would be very bad news for most of us given Canada is a product of colonialism."

 

This is a profound misunderstanding of how colonialism affects us all. You should really check your head if you are comfortable with the status quo.

 

remind remind's picture

madmax wrote:

Elizabeth May= Senate Dion Patronage appointment

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And Green Party Leader Elizabeth May is endorsing the proposed coalition government and says she has spoken with Liberal Leader Stéphane Dion about the possibility of her being appointed to the Senate.

Your thoughts..... before mine.

Pffft,  scared to say? I am not and I have written a note to Jack and the NDP, as well as Dion, saying "no way" to that little ditty.

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JeffWells

tostig wrote:

Dion should pull a Stephen Harper and hire John Baird to cross the floor and be Government House leader. That should shut Harper up.

 

I don't know about Baird, and I don't think it would shut Harper up, but it may be possible to pry loose one or two Conservatives who are tired of drinking Harper's bathwater. It would be essential that they retain their party designation, or at least sit as "independent conservatives," to maintain the optics of a broad cooperative effort. (However, in such event, I would expect the NDP to get a seventh cabinet post.) 

Glavic

The coalition is good, only 36% voted for the Conservatives....

58% voted for the ndp/liberals/BQ

 The coalition DOES represent the majority of Canadians.

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