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Fidel
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quizzical wrote:

ya...well...not going to bash my head against the wall with this. just a couple quick things then i think i'm done.

fidel seems to not realize the courts finally agreed that 600,000 Peoples like me ARE in fact First Nations. it's ok though he and others like him will get it someday.

i hope someday fidel you understand just a glimour 'bout FN's and our aspirituality instead of trying to use it for your own reasins.

Well, unlike very many white people I've lived and worked with native people in remote regions of three different provinces. I don't claim to know native people inside out, but I have spent some time with them. And there are native people in my family tree and some fairly well known ones at that.

I am not using native spirituality for my own reasons. And even though I am not an expert on native affairs, you can not deny that traditional native culture, as in before whitey arrived,  is based in sprituality.  A lot.

And furthermore, I would never oppose funding for native religious studies i.e spirituality taught in FN schools. And why would I not oppose public funding in such a way? It's because I neither subscribe to neoliberal ideology nor am I a hypocrite. I think it should be about tolerance of others and inclusion. Cultural melting pots are for failed conservative nanny states south of the border.


kropotkin1951
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What native spirituality has to do with whether catholic schools in Ontario should receive public money is beyond me. 

In keeping with expertise based on family and friends I offer my own statistics.  Some of my friends and relatives are black so that must give me some cache as an expert on rap music. As well I have many FN's friends and some relatives so I must also be an expert on native affairs.  Then there are my Japanese friends and relatives so I must be able to fold paper well.  Most of my relatives and some of my friends are catholic and I grew up around them so clearly my views on all things catholic must be considered in that light.  So Fidel keep that in mind the next time you try to tell me I hate catholics.


Fidel
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Very bizarre, but thanks for sharing that.


Slumberjack
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I think the extent of my Mom's Catholicism is saying the Rosary every now and then.  My Dad isn't Catholic, but we'd go to the local Knights of Columbus for a pint when I was stationed in Gander.  I'm still not sure which Protestant denomination he fell under as a child, and I don't think he does either because he pretty much grew up without much religious influence, which is kind of peculiar in itself in a small town with 8 churches.  My aunt, who is only slightly more of a practicing Catholic than Mom, calls me a bloody heathen...only partly in jest I believe.  I certainly don't broach the subject of my views on religion with my Mom, mostly because she has no time for nonsense talk, either political or religious, except when she's cursing down the Conservative and Liberal party, which isn't really nonsense at all because for her it's the only way they can be spoken of.  But then as kids she'd send us off to Church every Sunday at 1100, which to us seemed like nonsense as we were hurried out the door, rain or shine.


Fidel
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And in Pakistan, most families can only afford to send their kids to Saudi and U.S. taxpayer funded madrasas while the better offs send their offspring to private U.S. and U.K. schools and universities. And their only other desire is for two meals a day instead of one on good days. And we think we had it tough, by gum!


Slumberjack
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As far as defenders of the faith go, there's the Queen of course, and the Pope.  What gives you the impression they need your help - or is the spirit of volunteerism taking hold, or something else perhaps?


Fidel
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As much as I dislike the Pope and obsolete Church doctrine, the Pope had nothing to do with bombing and marching armies into a number of sovereign countries since 1991. But his being a former Hitler youth is a slap in the face for humanity. I didn't vote for him.

As for the notorious mass murderers Henry VIII through Victoria and the currently idle "Windsors", they are the biggest welfare bums on earth and should get real jobs like everyone else. Liz and Phil should donate their billions to good causes and then set sail for the South Pole, or somethihg.


Slumberjack
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Fidel
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Slumberjack wrote:
I certainly don't broach the subject of my views on religion with my Mom, mostly because she has no time for nonsense talk, either political or religious, except when she's cursing down the Conservative and Liberal party, which isn't really nonsense at all because for her it's the only way they can be spoken of.

That sounds like what went on at our house. Mum, rest in peace, was a prolific basher of the royal family, Our Scottish neighbor got a kick out of that and befriended her early on. Mrs C and mum would sip gallons of tea and bash the blue bloods. She wanted to become a Catholic for dad's sake and our's. But when the priest told mum she couldn't be both a Catholic and a socialist, well, it wasn't a hard choice for mum. She shaped my political views over the years. I respected her views on politics and her sense of fairness etc. She loved life and people in general. I miss her dearly.


MegB
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Fidel, your "some of my best friends are FN" doesn't wash. Take a back seat and try listening and understanding.


quizzical
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Fidel wrote:
 But when the priest told mum she couldn't be both a Catholic and a socialist, well, it wasn't a hard choice for mum. She shaped my political views over the years. I respected her views on politics and her sense of fairness etc. She loved life and people in general. I miss her dearly.

i'd've thought you would've learned something from something  that falls off your own tongue.


Fidel
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Rebecca West wrote:

Fidel, your "some of my best friends are FN" doesn't wash. Take a back seat and try listening and understanding.

Hmm? Did I say that? And I thought what I actually wrote is even more unusual than what's between those scare quotes.  I'll try harder next time.


Fidel
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quizzical wrote:

Fidel wrote:
 But when the priest told mum she couldn't be both a Catholic and a socialist, well, it wasn't a hard choice for mum. She shaped my political views over the years. I respected her views on politics and her sense of fairness etc. She loved life and people in general. I miss her dearly.

i'd've thought you would've learned something from something  that falls off your own tongue.

Okay, then. Because it was the personal opinion of one single priest who decided that Catholicism and socialism are incompatible, we should therefore stop funding separate schools in Ontario. You're saying I want that guy to speak for the rest of us?

If you want two central ideas that are completely and utterly incompatible, I know of two offhand,  Neoliberal austerity and adequate levels of school funding.

"Neoliberal school funding"? Totally oxymoronic.

I have looked over Jordan and I have seen. Things are not what they seem! - Roger Waters, Shhhheep!


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Fidel
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So who do we see about having our tax dollars exempt from paying interest to banksters and allocated to corporate welfare payments? I don't want a single penny pf my hard-earned money going toward propping up a conservative nanny state.


6079_Smith_W
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I can't wait to hear the snappy comeback for this one... littering? gum chewing? Wearing white before Easter?

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/national-international/NJ-School-No-...

 


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