"Jewish Congress heralds name change"

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toddsschneider
"Jewish Congress heralds name change"

http://tinyurl.com/cmqh3

The organization is now called the Congrès juif canadien, Région Québec. After July 1, it will be called the Congrès juif québécois ...

“We’ve been saying for years that we’re Québécois just like everyone else, so why shouldn’t our name say precisely that? To me, it’s very uncontroversial. And I don’t think a federalist Quebecer should feel any less represented by us because of this new name" ...

The Congress was founded 90 years ago in Montreal. It is based in Ottawa with chapters in Quebec, Ontario and B.C ...


Cueball Cueball's picture

What a stupid thread subject. Its not even worth posting in an existing thread. You mean you actually bothered to make links and add all the HTML, and type all this up for this?

Stockholm

If it bores you, don't read it.

It's Me D

On an appropriately unrelated note the new Babble no longer has any need for these tinyurls... perhaps we could ban them for the security of Babblers? I know I never click em' anyway. Use the link tool, post the real URL.

Cueball Cueball's picture

Stockholm wrote:

If it bores you, don't read it.

You are an expert at tautology, I will give you that.

Unionist

Swooossshhhhh!

 

fogbrella

it's noteworthy because the name change - from "Congrès juif canadien, Région Québec" i to "Congrès juif québécois" - I believe, is an attempt, by the Congress,  to garner some kinda solidarity among quebecois, with Jews (read Israel)

It's not that "Jews anywhere aren't worthy of support" - not my point at all - but it's a sneaky - but necessary - way to appear Quebec-based - in the largely "antiguerre" Quebec - as if anticipating the on-going US (and expanding NATO's) "remaking" of the Muslim Middle East.

 

accomplishing that would be significant... especially since Canada's - and Quebec's - role in AFghanistan and elsewhere is about to expand - despite the dulcet tones of Mr. Harper, re: "Canada's combat mission ending 2011"

 

They're about to reverse that policy - I predict - and it's timely - and strategic - that the "Congres juif quebecois" should appear "Quebec-friendly", in the lead-up to that military expansion.

fogbrella

what was that? something going over your head?

Stockholm

Its worth noting that because of immigration from places like Morocco, the Jewish community in Quebec is much less monolothically anglophone than it once was. you would be surprised at the proportion of Jews in Montreal who are francophone these days.

fogbrella

the strategy is for the Congress - ie Jews in general - to appear more - quebecois-friendly

French English or Yiddish-speaking, (practically ALL) Jews will tend to sympathize with Israel.

The so-called "War in Iraq" - whether anyone acknowledges it or NOT - was all about "greater Israel"  - AND "greater" Big Oil, of course - but THAT's the dirty little secret that needs to be completely aired out.

It wasn't (and isn't) about WMDs or the plight of Iraqis under the dictator Saddam OR "freedom" or any other "rationale" publicly applied... and Afghanistan is simply NATO's extension of that secret initiative

by the way, hope you know that Muslim women in Iraq - during Saddam's regime - were the most-liberated of ANY Muslim woman, anywhere in the Middle East

that's all changed now

Stockholm

"The so-called "War in Iraq" - whether anyone acknowledges it or NOT - was all about "greater Israel""

This is really starting to verge on the old anti-semitic canard that Jews control world events and that there is some sort of conspiracy. Like Mel Gibson going on about how "Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world". The crackpots in the Bush administration had plenty of bizarre reasons of their own for wanting to invade Iraq and they had little or nothing to do with Israel.

It's Me D

Fogbrella: Stockholm came in at the third sentence but sentences 1 and 2 were equally objectionable. You can't get away with saying jews = israel around here... thats already anti-semetic, without even dealing with the rest of your post.

Eliezer Zusken

With the attention paid to this Canadian Jewish Congress one would think its the most important entity in Canada.

fogbrella

It's Me D wrote:

Fogbrella: Stockholm came in at the third sentence but sentences 1 and 2 were equally objectionable. You can't get away with saying jews = israel around here... thats already anti-semetic, without even dealing with the rest of your post.

 

Please expand on what you find "objectionable"

Unless the truth has become "objectionable"...

Or what, you're arguing that Jews worldwide don't tend to sympathize with Israel? the answer - obviously - is that they DO - which  was my point - sorry if it's verboten to even hint at that - but that's not the same as saying Jews = Israel - those are YOUR words

and for Stockholm to have missed, completely, the FACT of the Project for a New American Century crowd's plans and implementation OF those plans, by George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, then he probably also believes that eventually WMDs will show up in Iraq

http://bit.ly/imperialism_or_apocolypse

 

oh don't tell me you're going to whip out the dead-tired "anti-semite" accusation as a weapon to shut me up, are you?

 

al-Qa'bong

Well, it does seem to have a hand in driving Canadian government policy these days.

 

Linda McQuaig has a good article on rabble about this right now.

contrarianna

I second what It's Me D said.

Those remarks are anti-semetic and bigoted.

It's Me D

Sure, as long as you continue making statements like this:

Quote:
French English or Yiddish-speaking, (practically ALL) Jews will tend to sympathize with Israel.

 

But the only thing I'd like you to shut up about is making statements like that.

 

lagatta

By the way, I can't use the link tool - I don't even see it on the board. There are a lot of people who have extreme restrictions like that with the new software. I can't add code such as underline, bold, italic etc either. All those things have disappeared for me with the new software, and I'm sure I'm not alone.

fogbrella

Stockholm wrote:

"The so-called "War in Iraq" - whether anyone acknowledges it or NOT - was all about "greater Israel""
This is really starting to verge on the old anti-semitic canard that Jews control world events and that there is some sort of conspiracy. Like Mel Gibson going on about how "Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world". The crackpots in the Bush administration had plenty of bizarre reasons of their own for wanting to invade Iraq and they had little or nothing to do with Israel.

Please
"the old () canard that Jews control world events and that there is some sort of conspiracy" needn't be "anti-semitic" if it's only reflecting reality, is it? Reality is now anti-semitic too?
http://bit.ly/2pJeT
also, please read this and refute it: http://bit.ly/imperialism_or_apocolyps
and, just out of curiosity, could you explain to us all why Irving "scooter" Libby would LIE to a grand jury commit perjury AND obstruction of justice? unless he had something enormous to hide?

here's a clue: it had something to do with phoney WMD "evidence", if you'll simply google it, or open a book and read about it you'd KNOW... he lied to protect the conspiracy behind the "Project" from becoming public! duh!

and further, also  out of curiosity, could you tell me - in reality - how many on the men pictured, in the group-shot, in the article, who were hired by George W. Bush, and who planned (and invented evidence to carry out) the "War in Iraq", also hold dual U.S./Israeli passports?

okay, how 'bout some fresh rebuttal on the tired old facts 

fogbrella

It's Me D wrote:

Sure, as long as you continue making statements like this:

Quote:
French English or Yiddish-speaking, (practically ALL) Jews will tend to sympathize with Israel.

 

But the only thing I'd like you to shut up about is making statements like that.

 

 

why, exactly?

 

you're saying that my "French English or Yiddish-speaking, (practically ALL) Jews will tend to sympathize with Israel." is either untrue, anti-Semitic, or both?

 

What? since when is stating fact-based opinion a criminal offence?

 

Here it is again: Jews worldwide, regardless of the language they speak, tend to sympathize with Israel!

dial 9-1-1

 

 

fogbrella

lagatta wrote:
By the way, I can't use the link tool - I don't even see it on the board. There are a lot of people who have extreme restrictions like that with the new software. I can't add code such as underline, bold, italic etc either. All those things have disappeared for me with the new software, and I'm sure I'm not alone.

do you see the "Disable rich-text" option? below the comments window? try clicking on that if it's there - might help with "tools"

It's Me D

lagatta: Sorry I had no idea some people were having that problem, I hadn't noticed it mentioned anywhere. I guess the tinyurls will have to go on then, although I'll keep ignoring them. I'm very sympathetic to problems with this software; this week I can hardly manage to make posts at all Frown

 

fogbrella

contrarianna wrote:

I second what It's Me D said.

Those remarks are anti-semetic and bigoted.

"those remarks" are factual, if a tad poorly-worded, given that, ALL Jews, regardless of their politics, or language, or where they are in the world, ARE potentially-Israeli citizens, and ANY country's citizens - "potentially" or actual - DO tend to sympathize WITH their own (potential) country.

and just how was the U.S. illegal, immoral invasion and occupation of Iraq a "War"?

Saddam had no army, no navy, and three aircraft.

the term "War" is a device used to garner support in the (esp. American) public FOR the action taken. "Call it a "War", and insist they "support our troops", and that if they don't they're traitors!" - and while THAT is as fascistic as it gets, it still doesn't make it a "War"

I note that Canada calls her action in Afghanistan a "mission" - however the term "War in Afghanistan" is freely bandied about by the walking unconscious.

It's against the Geneva Conventions - as everybody knows - to attack another nation without provocation. Nevertheless, that is what George W. Bush did, using 9/11 "terror!" as a cover.

If the residents, OF the nation so-attacked, KNOW about the Geneva Conventions, and realize the illegality of the invasion into their own country, their resistence TO that attack doesn't constitute a declaration OR an acknowledgment of "War" - it's a righteous resistence! the same resistence that almost every citizen. of any country in the world, would feel some just avoid eye-contact with the invaders. Others build roadside bombs.

that ain't "War"

toddsschneider

The TinyURL I posted just a few hours ago won't work. So much for "never breaking".

Here it is again, in two versions:

http://tinyurl.com/cg4mvk

http://www.montrealgazette.com/Life/Jewish+Congress+heralds+name+change/...

fogbrella

note: #9 post, above, I said "(practically ALL) Jews will tend to sympathize with Israel"

 

and you mistakenly take that to mean ALL Jews... now THAT would be untrue - had I actually SAID that, but I didn't - you wrong

 

it's also wrong - being either stupid (imho) or devious - to call that "anti-semitic"?

It's Me D

Good post Cueball; very patient.

Cueball Cueball's picture

fogbrella wrote:

contrarianna wrote:

I second what It's Me D said.

Those remarks are anti-semetic and bigoted.

"those remarks" are factual, if a tad poorly-worded, given that, ALL Jews, regardless of their politics, or language, or where they are in the world, ARE potentially-Israeli citizens, and ANY country's citizens - "potentially" or actual - DO tend to sympathize WITH their own (potential) country.

They do? Come on man get a grip. Some of the most active anti-Zionists on this board are Jewish. Sentimental appeal for ones "homeland" comes, more often than not, from the familiarity of being born and brought up in a certain place, not ideological conditions imposed by a country one has never visited. The logic you are applying is exactly the kind of logic used to justify the disenfranchisement, abuse and imprisonment of Canadian and American (Nisei) Japanese during WWII, and it is a flawed logic that results in bigotry.

Just because Israel says that it represents all Jews does not make it so.

I strongly recommend that you reconsider your remarks, and rethink you ideas on this issue, because you are a new voice on this board, and one with a lot to say, but if you continue with this line, your stay will certainly be a short one.

fogbrella

from the tinyurl article: (the soon-to-be leader of the newly-named Quebec Jewish Congress') "... The hope is the change will make some Quebecers less wary of the Congress.

"We hope it's no longer there, but there was a perception - particularly in the francophone communities - that the Canadian Jewish Congress was this staunchly federalist, parti pris organization, which is not the case. We are an apolitical organization

Yeah "apolitical" - unless you include the Likudnik element,  on whose behalf JDLC was acting, when they pressured Ottawa to bar George Galloway's entry to Canada. 

Letting Galloway speak, freely, to an already "war"-wary Canadian - and especially Quebec - audience, DID have the potential to blow the whole U.S- Middle East (and Canadian -  Afghanistan) policy(s) to smithereens, LIVE! but in dying colors.

And on that note, let's not forget Israel's recent bloody incursion into Gaza - and quebecois also have good memories

Softening their (Israel's) fairly-frazzled image - by any means imaginable, is appropriate, especially given the above,and is (imho) the primary reason this name-change happened and NOT because of some perception, on the part of Quebecers, of their (the Congrès juif canadien, Région Québec's) being "pro-federalist"

Quebecers need all the buttering-up that can be administered, but not for the reasons given.

fogbrella

Cueball wrote:

fogbrella wrote:

contrarianna wrote:

I second what It's Me D said.

Those remarks are anti-semetic and bigoted.

"those remarks" are factual, if a tad poorly-worded, given that, ALL Jews, regardless of their politics, or language, or where they are in the world, ARE potentially-Israeli citizens, and ANY country's citizens - "potentially" or actual - DO tend to sympathize WITH their own (potential) country.

They do? Come on man get a grip. Some of the most active anti-Zionists on this board are Jewish. (...)

Just because Israel says that it represents all Jews does not make it so.

(...)

and " I strongly recommend that you reconsider your remarks, and rethink you ideas on this issue, because you are a new voice on this board..."

last point first: While I'll agree that having wrong-headed - including "bigotted" - ideas might be grounds to disappear someone from these boards, I don't know why being "a new voice" should - unless I've stepped on a few toes, so to speak - upon entry - for that I apologize

Second point: I've never said that "Israel represents all Jews" - that's your wild interpretation - not what I meant at all

I also didn't say they (anyone) will sympathize FULLY with their perceived or real homeland, either. (your assumption)

I said that people "tend" toward sympathizing with their home country - whether by actual citizenship or (in the case of Israel visa vi Jews worldwide=) potential citizenship - "tend toward sympathizing" - get it?

but HEY! we're talking about "the Jewish people" and their relationship to Israel, here!

You're going to argue that practically everyone, of the Jewish faith, doesn't consider Israel with some particular "longing" or other?

 What?

And I can dig your "Sentimental appeal for ones "homeland" comes, more often than not, from the familiarity of being born and brought up in a certain place, not ideological conditions imposed by a country one has never visited."(sic)

But "Get a grip!"- again, we're talking about the Jewish people! who have suffered historic persecutions like practically no other group in the world and who all simply MUST have entertained some yearning for that geography - you're not going to simply ignore that are you?

That would be astonishing. Please do some research on Jewish history before answering.

It's about the deep-down connection that Jews anywhere - probably more than any other people - naturally feel  for their TRUE home - Israel!

I'll bet that a LOT of Jewish anti-Zionist activists entertain thoughts of retiring in Israel - just not in Israel's current political (ie Likudnik )configuration - and who could blame them!

it's the "promised land" - even despite Zionist-extremism raising - but not necessarily showing - it's ugly head? Come on!

and as to your first point, "Some of the most active anti-Zionists on this board are Jewish", Wonderful! I'm truly gratified BY that -

I hope I'll get to know and love them all - I DO personally know and love Jewish anti-Zionist activists - and for more than their "politics" - Shalom! to you all!

However, with all due respect, considering anything I've said above to be "bigotted" or "anti-Semitic" is completely without foundation

Cueball Cueball's picture

fogbrella wrote:

Cueball wrote:

fogbrella wrote:

contrarianna wrote:

I second what It's Me D said.

Those remarks are anti-semetic and bigoted.

"those remarks" are factual, if a tad poorly-worded, given that, ALL Jews, regardless of their politics, or language, or where they are in the world, ARE potentially-Israeli citizens, and ANY country's citizens - "potentially" or actual - DO tend to sympathize WITH their own (potential) country.

They do? Come on man get a grip. Some of the most active anti-Zionists on this board are Jewish. (...)

Just because Israel says that it represents all Jews does not make it so.

(...)

and " I strongly recommend that you reconsider your remarks, and rethink you ideas on this issue, because you are a new voice on this board..."

last point first: While I'll agree that having wrong-headed - including "bigotted" - ideas might be grounds to disappear someone from these boards, I don't know why being "a new voice" should - unless I've stepped on a few toes, so to speak - upon entry - for that I apologize

Second point: I've never said that "Israel represents all Jews" - that's your wild interpretation - not what I meant at all

I also didn't say they (anyone) will sympathize FULLY with their perceived or real homeland, either. (your assumption)

I said that people "tend" toward sympathizing with their home country - whether by actual citizenship or (in the case of Israel visa vi Jews worldwide=) potential citizenship - "tend toward sympathizing" - get it?

but HEY! we're talking about "the Jewish people" and their relationship to Israel, here!

You're going to argue that practically everyone, of the Jewish faith, doesn't consider Israel with some particular "longing" or other?

 What?

And I can dig your "Sentimental appeal for ones "homeland" comes, more often than not, from the familiarity of being born and brought up in a certain place, not ideological conditions imposed by a country one has never visited."(sic)

But "Get a grip!"- again, we're talking about the Jewish people! who have suffered historic persecutions like practically no other group in the world and who all simply MUST have entertained some yearning for that geography - you're not going to simply ignore that are you?

That would be astonishing. Please do some research on Jewish history before answering.

It's about the deep-down connection that Jews anywhere - probably more than any other people - naturally feel  for their TRUE home - Israel!

I'll bet that a LOT of Jewish anti-Zionist activists entertain thoughts of retiring in Israel - just not in Israel's current political (ie Likudnik )configuration - and who could blame them!

it's the "promised land" - even despite Zionist-extremism raising - but not necessarily showing - it's ugly head? Come on!

and as to your first point, "Some of the most active anti-Zionists on this board are Jewish", Wonderful! I'm truly gratified BY that -

I hope I'll get to know and love them all - I DO personally know and love Jewish anti-Zionist activists - and for more than their "politics" - Shalom! to you all!

However, with all due respect, considering anything I've said above to be "bigotted" or "anti-Semitic" is completely without foundation

I think its pretty bigotted. A lot of supposition, sweeping statements, and more. Not exactly racist, but extremely ignorant. Tell you what. Why don't you let Jews speak for themselves and leave the amateur "anthropology" alone.

Eliezer Zusken

al-Qa'bong wrote:

Well, it does seem to have a hand in driving Canadian government policy these days.

 

Linda McQuaig has a good article on rabble about this right now.

Really? Oh yes Linda's fiction about the Learned elders of Zion manipulating our government. It was a shameful piece of crap.

fogbrella

Eliezer Zusken wrote:

al-Qa'bong wrote:

Well, it does seem to have a hand in driving Canadian government policy these days.

 

Linda McQuaig has a good article on rabble about this right now.

Really? Oh yes Linda's fiction about the Learned elders of Zion manipulating our government. It was a shameful piece of crap.

Please Quote Linda McQuaig's use of "elders of Zion", to prove "manipulation" by Israel, in "our government", anywhere in her many articles.

And while you're there, would you also please deny the existence of the Project for the New American Century? and the involvement, in the Bush administration, of the men who are signatory to that "project", and then deny the effects that "project' has had on American AND Canadian governments, please.

 

 

al-Qa'bong

Eliezer Zusken wrote:

Really? Oh yes Linda's fiction about the Learned elders of Zion manipulating our government. It was a shameful piece of crap.

 

JDL leader Meir Weinstein bragged about how he convinced the government to bar MP George Galloway from entering Canada. Are you going to accuse him of being an Elder of Zion too?

 

Speaking of Weinstein:

 

 

Quote:
Terrorist organization that planned to bomb Concordia University advised Canadian government to ban MP George Galloway

 

The Jewish Defense League, is categorized by the FBI as a "right-wing Jewish terrorist group", founded in 1968 by ultra Zionist Meir Kahane. Kanahe then founded the terrorist group Khach in Israel. JDL leader Meir Weinstein (no relation to the author) boasts of getting the Canadian government to ban Galloway.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

1)I'm having images of Rhianna suddenly appearing in this thread singing "under my fogbrella-ella-ella-ella-ella"

2)The subject of the thread was a bit of a let-down.  I thought they were gonna change the Congress' name to Larry or Twinkletoes or something good like that.

3)fogbrella, you're new here.  You're already behind.  I'd suggest you consider staying off of this subject(and also, perhaps, the hard stuff)since you just seem to be digging yourself an even bigger hole with each post.  Just a thought, dude.

Eliezer Zusken

al-Qa'bong wrote:

Eliezer Zusken wrote:

Really? Oh yes Linda's fiction about the Learned elders of Zion manipulating our government. It was a shameful piece of crap.

 

JDL leader Meir Weinstein bragged about how he convinced the government to bar MP George Galloway from entering Canada. Are you going to accuse him of being an Elder of Zion too?

 

Speaking of Weinstein:

 

 

Quote:
Terrorist organization that planned to bomb Concordia University advised Canadian government to ban MP George Galloway

 

The Jewish Defense League, is categorized by the FBI as a "right-wing Jewish terrorist group", founded in 1968 by ultra Zionist Meir Kahane. Kanahe then founded the terrorist group Khach in Israel. JDL leader Meir Weinstein (no relation to the author) boasts of getting the Canadian government to ban Galloway.

And if Meir Weisnstein claimed to be Elvis Presley secretly hidden all these years as head of the JDL, would you believe that too?

And since when is the FBI operational in Canada? To the best of my knowledge we have not yet been annexed as an American state.

Cueball Cueball's picture

You just don't read the papers. FBI are now authorized to operate in Canada, and wear sidearms. They probably have to call the RCMP to make an arrest still.

That went down in 2002.

Maysie Maysie's picture

Okay Unionist, let's dial it down. 

fogbrella used some bad phrasing, that seems to be coming from a well-intended place. It isn't over the top. To me, it reads as someone who is a non-Jew trying to make sense of it all.

For the record, fogbrella, these two sentences:

"French English or Yiddish-speaking, (practically ALL) Jews will tend to sympathize with Israel."

"ALL Jews, regardless of their politics, or language, or where they are in the world, ARE potentially-Israeli citizens, and ANY country's citizens - "potentially" or actual - DO tend to sympathize WITH their own (potential) country."

...are used by people who are anti-semitic to further promote that hatred. As someone new, who we don't really know yet, I get that you're onside with pro-Palestinian ideas, all your posts on George Galloway have indicated this. You may not be up on right-wing phraseology, but most of us here are, on a wide range of issues.

I also need to say that such large scale generalizations such as those two quotes will tend to be inaccurate. I get that you've included "escape" words such as "practically all" and "tend to" but they clearly aren't strong enough to counter the overall statements, the truths of which are, in fact, debatable and not fixed.

Being new on the board means two things: you don't know the regular and long-term posters, and we don't know you. The only way to learn about each other is through posting. We've seen your posts. But I don't think you know how well-spoken and well-read both Unionist and Cueball are on the issues of Jews and Israel and Palestine.

So, no calls for fucking off and dying, okay? If we've learned anything in the past week isn't it that you notify a moderator when a babbler says something that you find counter to babble's policy? michelle(at)rabble(dot)ca or oldgoat(at)rabble(dot)ca. I'm at bigcitygal(at)rabble(dot)ca.

Is there any chance this thread can get back to the original topic?

Unionist

fogbrella wrote:

 

I'll bet that a LOT of Jewish anti-Zionist activists entertain thoughts of retiring in Israel - just not in Israel's current political (ie Likudnik )configuration - and who could blame them!

I'm not as polite as Cueball.

Go to the library and get some information while you still have your good health.

[amended after being scolded by Maysie for expressing my feelings]

 

Unionist

fogbrella wrote:
since when is stating fact-based opinion a criminal offence?

It doesn't make you a criminal.

It merely makes you something else.*

Quote:
Jews worldwide, regardless of the language they speak, tend to sympathize with Israel!

I'm Jewish, and I say you're mistaken. By the way, the translation of "you're mistaken" in the language I speak is literally "you're something else altogether"*. No offence intended, it's just a fact-based linguistic tidbit.

*[amended after having been admonished by Maysie to provide respect even where little or none is due.]

 

Unionist

Maysie wrote:

Okay Unionist, let's dial it down. 

fogbrella used some bad phrasing, that seems to be coming from a well-intended place. It isn't over the top. To me, it reads as someone who is a non-Jew trying to make sense of it all.

 

Maysie, I've dialed it down and amended my previous posts. However, you appear to have no problem with this sentence:

Quote:
I'll bet that a LOT of Jewish anti-Zionist activists entertain thoughts of retiring in Israel - just not in Israel's current political (ie Likudnik )configuration - and who could blame them!

Let me put it as plainly as I can. Unless fogbrella unconditionally retracts this monstrous anti-Jewish slander, I will call for his banning, and I'll do so through all the channels I can find.

Furthermore, I call upon you as a moderator to state, clearly, whether this comment is acceptable on this board. And I'm waiting.

Thank you.

 

 

oldgoat

fogbrella, I've read all your posts, and I get the strong impression you're trying cause trouble while hiding behind a fig leaf of plausable deniability through the use of weasel words.  It would appear that your fig leaf is inadequate.  Seeing as the mods are talking about this now, and it's one of those days when we're never together at once, I shall for the moment just close your account pending.

Unionist, thank you for amending your posts by deleting the more colourful Anglo-Saxonizms, in the spirit of our new and friendlier place.

 

fogbrella

amended for gutter language

Unionist wrote:

fogbrella wrote:
since when is stating fact-based opinion a criminal offence?

It doesn't make you a criminal.

It merely makes you an a-h.

Quote:
Jews worldwide, regardless of the language they speak, tend to sympathize with Israel!

I'm Jewish, and I say you're mistaken. By the way, the translation of "you're mistaken" in the language I speak is literally "GFY." No offence intended, it's just a fact-based linguistic tidbit.

 

God it's a minefield!

so because you're Jewish, you get to call me an "a-h"?

that's quaint!

and, for my totally-unbigotted,  totally-un-anti-Semitic - but logicaql assumption that "Jews worldwide tend to sympathize with Israel"? what? I'm also an "a-h"?

So you'd even deny there to be any truth in the statement that, "all Jewish people have some special place in their hearts for Israel" ?

What? even if, by "Israel" I meant solely the geographic locale? and NOT "sympathy" with the political entity, currently led by lunatic Likudists?

Because you'd be absolutely wrong, but I'd still be an "a-h"?

Yeeeooowwww!

TOUCH-EEEEE!

 

fogbrella

a;mended for language

Unionist wrote:

fogbrella wrote:

 

I'll bet that a LOT of Jewish anti-Zionist activists entertain thoughts of retiring in Israel - just not in Israel's current political (ie Likudnik )configuration - and who could blame them!

 

I'm not as polite as Cueball.

"FOAD!" 

"FOAD" for what? are you accusing me of anti-Semitism or bigotry? is that why you'd have me "FOAD"?

or is it that I should "FOAD" because I might have some proportionality wrong, in some sweeping statement I made?

youll have to clarify that, for me, for your "FOAD" request to truly have it's effect.

 

fogbrella

amended for language

Cueball wrote:

I think its pretty bigotted. A lot of supposition, sweeping statements, and more. Not exactly racist, but extremely ignorant. Tell you what. Why don't you let Jews speak for themselves and leave the amateur "anthropology" alone.

No it isn't "pretty bigotted"... or even close to "Not exactly racist" and "extremely ignorant"? you need to offer one example of why it's "extremely ignorant" - and include evidence to easily refute that "extreme"

You don't! In fact, all of THAT is "supposition" - along with at least one other conclusion you have unfortunately leapt to

Here's something you'll have to simply accept: I've never had a bigotted bone in my body - in fact I LOVE Semitic people - every last one of them - from Arabs to Israelis -  my heart swoons now as I think of them.

I mean, call me an a-h for not reading countless previous postings by which to know everybody's position of every little nuance, but - besides all that - we need to determine whether we agree that Israel IS the reason George Bush invaded Iraq - whoa! - temper that - Israel and Big Oil!

so, despite the whole operation being thought of - after the fact - as "evil U.S. Global Hegemony" it was undertaken, ultimately, to achieve "ultimate security" for Israel

Canada's "mission" in Afghanistan is an extension of that same U.S. "foreign policy", carried forward, if by another nomenclature, by Barack Obama.

It's all the same policy! - the same continuation of the same "project"! dreamt up by the same guys Bush hired into his cabinet immediately on entering the White House in early 2001

we DO agree on that, don't we?

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Unionist, I was speaking to the rather mild and seemingly onside earlier points that fogbrella used, I quoted them above. 

No I don't support the comment he made that you quoted.

Again, in the future, contact me by PM rather than disrupt another thread just to get my attention.