Jewish LGBT group Kulanu Toronto says it supports "free speech" and "diversity"

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Max Bialystock
Jewish LGBT group Kulanu Toronto says it supports "free speech" and "diversity"

...But there is no mention that you must be Zionist to be welcome.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvGRgpg_9kY&feature=player_embedded

Max Bialystock

Canadian Jewish Congress is proud to support Kulanu Toronto, the only Jewish LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender) delegation participating in the event.

Joining Kulanu at the parade will be friends from Canadian Jewish Congress, UJA Federation of Greater Toronto, Temple Sinai, Holy Blossom, First Narayever Congregation, Congregation Darchei Noam, Paul Penna Downtown Jewish Day School and Hillel of Greater Toronto.

But we want more! We want this to be the biggest and best Kulanu delegation ever.

Kulanu is not only marching for the LGBT community but is carrying the banner, literally, for Israel. Come join us! Bring your family, friends, and colleagues, your Israeli and Canadian flags, your Kulanu T-shirts (available for purchase by emailing Kulanu at kulanutoronto@gmail.com), your water bottles, hats, and sunscreen, and line up with Kulanu Toronto at 1pm at the corner of Bloor and Church St. (look for a Kulanu Toronto banner and Israeli flags) on Sunday, July 4

 

http://buycottisrael.ca/alerts/news/marching-with-kulanu-toronto-at-toro...

I guess they like to have it both ways. They support "free speech" and "diversity" as long as it's within acceptable Zionist bounds.

Michelle

Suddenly, they don't mind Pride being political. :D

I wonder what Bernie Farber's going to wear on his t-shirt this year.

Maysie Maysie's picture

"Nobody knows I'm gay, but don't make a joke and call me gay, because I'm really really not gay, okay? It's a joke! Ok, well, nobody knows I'm gay but everyone knows I'm confused and I don't make any sense. And I'm probably a bit of a homophobe. Stop reading my shirt!"

Michelle

Perhaps they should sell t-shirts that say, "Interested in Pride since 2009."

RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

Michelle wrote:

Perhaps they should sell t-shirts that say, "Interested in Pride since 2009."

 

:)

aka Mycroft

"Don't tell Reuven Bulka I'm gay"

Lord Palmerston

To be fair to CJC, I recall them being quite supportive of gay rights in the 1990s. 

Tim McCaskell has said that there were members of Kulanu Toronto that were also supproters of QuAIA.  Whether that was the case, it's pretty clear they're now an explicitly Zionist group.

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

On what basis do the organizers allow this particular political group to participate after having banned their direct counterparts?

The hypocrisy is absolutely astounding.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

I would vote for giving Farber a t-shirt that I saw at a Pride Parade in Vancouver and I got a great laugh out of it.  He would I am sure have many opportunities to discuss his gayness one way or the other.

"Mustache Rides 25 Cents"

Stockholm

Lord Palmerston wrote:

To be fair to CJC, I recall them being quite supportive of gay rights in the 1990s. 

Tim McCaskell has said that there were members of Kulanu Toronto that were also supproters of QuAIA.  Whether that was the case, it's pretty clear they're now an explicitly Zionist group.

That all depends on how you define being "Zionist". If its anyone who supports Israel's existence in any way shape or form - then count me in. If it means supporting the Netanyahu government count me out. If it means buying into the idea that ALL jews in the world should eventually move to Israel - count me out.

As far as I know Kulanu doesn't offer support groups for gay Jews on how to move to Israel and to encourage them to do so. THAT would be Zionism

Yiwah

Agreed, Stockholm.  I'm getting a little tired of the term 'Zionist' being applied so liberally to pretty much anyone who doesn't spend all their time wishing Israel out of existence.

Maysie Maysie's picture

Yiwah, I think you're overstating Max's use of the phrase "Zionist". He was the only one on this thread to use the term, aside from you and Stockholm.

And the "wishing Israel out of existence" is old and tired. I see you started a new thread about that. Let's bring this discussion there and leave this thread to its topic.

 

Gus Williams

I understood that CJC has regularly attended Pride parade. As for Farber suggesting he is a homophobe without the slightest bit of proof is really a defamation. I have never seen any indication that he is anything but gay-positive. Indeed he was behind the CJC's entry into the Delwyn Vriend case http://vueweekly.com/front/story/vriend_at_10/ as far back as the 1990s.

aka Mycroft

I certainly never suggested that Farber is a homophobe. Now CJC past co-president and current executive member Reuven Bulka, on the other hand, is an anti-gay bigot.

Gus Williams

Maysie certainly did.

Unionist

Farber has nothing against LGBTQ folks, but he does like to malign and suppress criticism of ethnic supremacists, mass murderers and aggressors.

Ok, do we have an agreement?

 

Engels

Is Farber maligning and suppressing "criticism of ethnic supremacists, mass murderers and aggressors" in Hamas and Hezbollah? That's Unionist's speciality. Do we have an agreement?

remind remind's picture

Mass murders?

oldgoat

Engels, personal attack and trolling.  You're gone.

Gus Williams

"...but he does like to malign and suppress criticism of ethnic supremacists, mass murderers and aggressors."

Respectfully this seems to be a personal attack as well.

Unionist

Yeah, Gus, it's a personal attack against Farber. He spends lots of time and money trying to suppress anyone who criticizes Israel, mentioned Israeli apartheid, slips a bit of truth into a schoolbook, etc. He likes to malign and suppress criticism of ethnic supremacists, mass murderers and aggressors. He does so in full view of the public, and he obscenely pretends to do so in the name of Canadian Jews. For that, he deserves nonstop personal attacks.

 

bagkitty bagkitty's picture

I think the title of this thread might be in need of a little editing... it seems to need a conditional clause - something along the lines of "so long as we get an absolute veto on the words".

In a what appears to be a "background" interview with Xtra following today's press conference by some municipal candidates and "representatives of the organized Jewish community" [and the description itself is in quotes in the original article], Justine Apple (apparently speaking on behalf of Kulanu) is quoted as saying:

Quote:
Justine Apple of the queer Jewish group Kulanu told Xtra later that she isn't opposed to policy discussions but that the QuAIA contingent in last year's parade crossed a line. One marcher wore a T-shirt with a crossed-out Swastika on it.

"Their use of the swastika, whether crossed out or not, is absolutely unacceptable to me," said Apple. "The minute any Jewish person - any informed person - sees that, you immediately want to leave that parade. It screams hate."

Somehow ANTI-Nazi iconography becomes hate speech?

Had her point been that the marcher who seems to be equating Israel with Nazism (which could be construed as a fair interpretation of that individual's intention) was indulging in tasteless hyperbole I would be quite willing to accept her position as a reasonable one. I might not agree with it, but it falls into the realm of reasonable. To make the suggestion that the iconography was used to intimidate and threaten, to promote hate (specifically against any Jewish participants) strikes me as Apple indulging in more than a little hyperbole herself. I think Ms. Apple should spend a little time "informing" herself of the history of the crimes of the Nazis against gays before trying to trot this particular argument out. I believe it is a "reasonable" assumption that Ms. Apple is trying to exploit the "uniformed" to peddle her argument here. Only someone woefully ignorant of the history of Nazism and gays in the XXth century would fall for her fallacious argument. I think enough gays were exterminated by the Nazis to make the use of ANTI-Nazi imagery something the gay community need not bend over backwards explaining.

Cookiebehbeh

A couple of things, QuAIA should never have been banned from the Pride parade. There are other ways to challenge their message that in my view would have been far more effective.

I do not like that Unionist appears free to personally attack Jewish leaders in the manner he does so. Take them on in their policy statements, suggesting they support mass murderers is hyperbole that turns many off. It is a personal and offensive attack that has no place here.

Finally this is in Today's Toronto Star http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/828917--opinion-pride-organizers-cave-in-to-politically-correct-bullies#article

 

 

Stargazer

Hyperbole? Really? Unionist certainly doesn't need me to defend him, so I'll leave that for him - but you are wrong.

oldgoat

Cookiebehbeh wrote:

A couple of things, QuAIA should never have been banned from the Pride parade. There are other ways to challenge their message that in my view would have been far more effective.

I do not like that Unionist appears free to personally attack Jewish leaders in the manner he does so. Take them on in their policy statements, suggesting they support mass murderers is hyperbole that turns many off. It is a personal and offensive attack that has no place here.

Finally this is in Today's Toronto Star http://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorialopinion/article/828917--opinion-pride-organizers-cave-in-to-politically-correct-bullies#article

 

 

 

Unionist doesn't need me to protect him either, but what the hell, it's in my job description.

 

Cookiebehbeh, Unionist has not attacked jewish leaders in the manner you describe.  You've been unable to prevail against Unionist in a battle of ideas, so you resort to lies and attacks.  This is your style, and I might add the style of a lot of your allies.  He has not said these leaders support mass murder, and to say what you've said is an odious and malicious attack.  He said some Jewish leaders suppress criticism of mass murderers. 

Your tactics do nothing to advance the level of debate here, and I'm suspending your account indefinitely pending consultation with other mods.

Maysie Maysie's picture

Hi Gus. Yeah I said Farber's a homophobe. 

My explanation will go beyond the usual 101 thing.

Anyone who doesn't identify as LGBTTIQQ2S and who calls themselves an ally, is an ally. Great, we need allies.

Any ally who freaks out at being called gay, or it's inferred that maybe they are gay and they rush to correct this "error" is holding onto old homophobic crap that we were all taught, given that we were all raised in a homophobic and heterocentric culture (speaking for those of us born and/or raised in Canada or the US specifically). Anyone who does this still has residual homophobia to unpack.

This in itself isn't a bad thing; we all have oppressive shit to unpack out of our heads.

The problematic part comes when a person publicly and loudly proclaims one's heterosexuality because of a feared association with gayness. See Eric McCormack's PR ouevre, he played Will on Will and Grace. He makes it into an art form. Such behaviour reinforces homophobia in others, and reaffirms one's own homophobia. 

Remember the Seinfeld episiode? "I'm not gay! ... Not that there's anything wrong with that!"

It's old, tired, and yeah, it's homophobic.

I'll end with one of my favourite slogans:

"I don't mind straight people as long as they act gay in public"

Laughing

Unionist

I'm not done. To call Farber a "Jewish leader" is to besmirch the dignity of the Jewish people. He may be a leader of the Canadian Jewish Congress - he may personally be Jewish - but he is no "Jewish leader", and I object to this characterization of him which one would expect from the mainstream media and various pandering politicians. "Jewish leader" is a noble title to be earned, not tossed around like litter.

 

Stockholm

"Any ally who freaks out at being called gay, or it's inferred that maybe they are gay and they rush to correct this "error" is holding onto old homophobic crap that we were all taught, given that we were all raised in a homophobic and heterocentric culture (speaking for those of us born and/or raised in Canada or the US specifically). Anyone who does this still has residual homophobia to unpack."

Well I guess that puts Adam Giambrone on your shit list as well. NOW magazine described him as being gay - he corrected them that we was not though he is ultra gay-positive. I don't see any problem with someone setting the record straight if there is a factual error. I'm sure there are people who are gay who would also want to set the record straight if they were mis-identified as straight!

Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

Hard to believe the Star could sink any lower, but there it is: the same hatemongers who attempted to suppress the free speech of the QuAIA activists were given a platform to spew even more lies about them.

...and that's supposed to be the country's leading progressive paper. One must laugh, or one might cry.

Skinny Dipper

I heard Antonia Zerbisias speak about a month or two ago at U of T.   She mentioned that The Toronto Star will publish anything Bernie Farber wants printed.

Unionist

This Star article - co-signed by Justine Apple of "Kulanu" and Bernie Farber of the CJC - is an indictment of both organizations. They are furious at Pride Toronto for not suppressing criticism of Israel. From their hysterical screaming, you would think Pride had banned them. In fact, all they're doing is implementing the Zionist guidebook on how to set LGBTQ folk against the Palestinians and other Arabs, by painting the latter as murderous homophobes. Because queers know what it means to marginalized and oppressed, the desperate efforts of Farber and Apple are bound to fail.

Star Spangled C...

Maysie wrote:

 

Any ally who freaks out at being called gay, or it's inferred that maybe they are gay and they rush to correct this "error" is holding onto old homophobic crap that we were all taught, given that we were all raised in a homophobic and heterocentric culture (speaking for those of us born and/or raised in Canada or the US specifically). Anyone who does this still has residual homophobia to unpack.

 

Is Farber married (to a woman)? I have nothing against gay people but I'd certainly be pretty quick to correct someone who publicly called me gay, if only to avoid an awkward conversation with my wife.

Gus Williams

Well this thread has most certainly deteriorated into the strange and bizarre. Farber is homophobic because he corrected the record after he was misidentified as Gay by a reporter with what seemed her own axe to grind against him. It is then inferred that this same Farber (not a Jewish leader according to unionist but clearly one of the most recognized jewish leaders in the country...go figure) can get whatever he wants printed in the Toronto Star this according to the same reporter who has this axe to grind against Farber.

Seems like Farber occupies the thinking of many here. That he is almost mythical in his power and can leap tall buildings at a single bound, my my the obsession continues and the legend grows.

remind remind's picture

hmmmm, never thought it weird until you entered and started talking about leaping tall buildings

jtleroy

Star spangled is proof positive that Mr. Farber's actions trying to correct the record was necessary. In jest or not one must show care in describing a person especially when it comes to sexuality and orientation. What business is it of anyone whether Farber is gay or straight? He should be rightly challenged on his policy statements and advocacy positions not who he chooses to have sex with.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

Seems to me anyone who is worried about others thinking they might be gay should not wear a t-shirt that says: "Nobody Knows I'm Gay"

I think he also needs to challenged on his right to appropriate a gay event for his personal political views.  He is either an ally or a poser.  His response to someone calling him gay after wearing his t-shirt convinced me he is a poser with a personal agenda.  Anyone disagree? 

remind remind's picture

which he is challenged on "roy".....however he made the brouhaha, no one else about "his" sexuality.

 

in answer to Kro's  query "nope".

Gus Williams

It seems that all you want to do is swim in waters already swam. There were dozens of people marching in last year's Pride parade with Kulanu wearing the same exact t-shirt. It was a fundraiser http://www.thestar.com/article/668141

remind remind's picture

huh?