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You're the one whose always telling us "the NDP can't do this because of this budget 15 years ago". You're the one who uses the failed right-wing ideology as an excuse to help neoliberals and divert people from their struggle.
I am still stuck on the comment that bringing Ontario schools in line with the rest of the country and securalizing their public school system in 2009 is somehow considered "bold". Ontario must be a strange place to live.
Are these Catholic schools overtly religious or just called Catholic? Are there prayer times, etc.?
No, I'm still blaming the two old line parties for racking-up one of the largest national debts in the history of the world in a country with unparalleled natural resource wealth, and then used it as an excuse for self-imposed impotence ever since Mulroney.
And you still have no clue. You think Gary Doer is a meany for not doing more than providing a 60% tax rebate on tuition fees in an NDP province with the lowest cost of living in the country.
No, I'm still blaming the two old line parties for racking-up one of the largest national debts in the history of the world in a country with unparalleled natural resource wealth, and then used it as an excuse for self-imposed impotence ever since Mulroney.
And you still have no clue. You think Gary Doer is a meany for not doing more than providing a 60% tax rebate on tuition fees in an NDP province with the lowest cost of living in the country.
In
No, I'm still blaming the two old line parties for racking-up one of the largest national debts in the history of the world in a country with unparalleled natural resource wealth, and then used it as an excuse for self-imposed impotence ever since Mulroney.
And you still have no clue. You think Gary Doer is a meany for not doing more than providing a 60% tax rebate on tuition fees in an NDP province with the lowest cost of living in the country.
In fact,
No, I'm still blaming the two old line parties for racking-up one of the largest national debts in the history of the world in a country with unparalleled natural resource wealth, and then used it as an excuse for self-imposed impotence ever since Mulroney.
And you still have no clue. You think Gary Doer is a meany for not doing more than providing a 60% tax rebate on tuition fees in an NDP province with the lowest cost of living in the country.
In fact,
youreNo, I'm still blaming the two old line parties for racking-up one of the largest national debts in the history of the world in a country with unparalleled natural resource wealth, and then used it as an excuse for self-imposed impotence ever since Mulroney.
And you still have no clue. You think Gary Doer is a meany for not doing more than providing a 60% tax rebate on tuition fees in an NDP province with the lowest cost of living in the country.
In fact, youre
No, I'm still blaming the two old line parties for racking-up one of the largest national debts in the history of the world in a country with unparalleled natural resource wealth, and then used it as an excuse for self-imposed impotence ever since Mulroney.
And you still have no clue. You think Gary Doer is a meany for not doing more than providing a 60% tax rebate on tuition fees in an NDP province with the lowest cost of living in the country.
In fact, youre
theNo, I'm still blaming the two old line parties for racking-up one of the largest national debts in the history of the world in a country with unparalleled natural resource wealth, and then used it as an excuse for self-imposed impotence ever since Mulroney.
And you still have no clue. You think Gary Doer is a meany for not doing more than providing a 60% tax rebate on tuition fees in an NDP province with the lowest cost of living in the country.
In fact, youre the
No, I'm still blaming the two old line parties for racking-up one of the largest national debts in the history of the world in a country with unparalleled natural resource wealth, and then used it as an excuse for self-imposed impotence ever since Mulroney.
And you still have no clue. You think Gary Doer is a meany for not doing more than providing a 60% tax rebate on tuition fees in an NDP province with the lowest cost of living in the country.
In fact, youre tha
No, I'm still blaming the two old line parties for racking-up one of the largest national debts in the history of the world in a country with unparalleled natural resource wealth, and then used it as an excuse for self-imposed impotence ever since Mulroney.
And you still have no clue. You think Gary Doer is a meany for not doing more than providing a 60% tax rebate on tuition fees in an NDP province with the lowest cost of living in the country.
In fact, youre tha
guyNo, I'm still blaming the two old line parties for racking-up one of the largest national debts in the history of the world in a country with unparalleled natural resource wealth, and then used it as an excuse for self-imposed impotence ever since Mulroney.
And you still have no clue. You think Gary Doer is a meany for not doing more than providing a 60% tax rebate on tuition fees in an NDP province with the lowest cost of living in the country.
In fact, youre tha
guy whoNo, I'm still blaming the two old line parties for racking-up one of the largest national debts in the history of the world in a country with unparalleled natural resource wealth, and then used it as an excuse for self-imposed impotence ever since Mulroney.
And you still have no clue. You think Gary Doer is a meany for not doing more than providing a 60% tax rebate on tuition fees in an NDP province with the lowest cost of living in the country.
In fact, youre tha
guy who wantNo, I'm still blaming the two old line parties for racking-up one of the largest national debts in the history of the world in a country with unparalleled natural resource wealth, and then used it as an excuse for self-imposed impotence ever since Mulroney.
And you still have no clue. You think Gary Doer is a meany for not doing more than providing a 60% tax rebate on tuition fees in an NDP province with the lowest cost of living in the country.In fact, youre the guy who wants Doer to drop everything in Manitoba and restore billions of dollars in core funding to PSE that was robbed from provincial governments since 1995!
But when it comes to Catholic students in Ontario, mr generosity for himself isnt so generous anymore.
And you're a fucking idiot.
No soup or lower tuition fees to you. And if Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, PEI and New Brunswick fund only one school system, then why isnt PSE more affordable in those provinces among all else that is lacking?
Well, that's bold alright. However, I'm concerned that it may be a career-limiting move.
Maybe I'm wrong ... maybe this is the time. However, a roughly split vote in Ontario, as I saw somewhere above, is a vote of Catholics vs non-Catholics and I do see that as a problem.
See demographics here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Ontario#Religious_groupsNot sure we want to go there ... but maybe as economic conditions worsen, sharing facilities may become feasible. Secularization won't, imo.
And you claim to know something about farming???
You appear to be conflating two important but generally separate (and private!) functions of livestock.
However, I'm ready to learn. Draw me a picture.
Did quite know where to post this but it just shows that separate schools problems are not restricted to Ontario.
Unionist is correct of course, and the ON NDP continue to pay the price of not adequately addressing the separate school issue.
Doesn't the NDP ever want to win an election again in Ontario?
Faith schools accused of 'backdoor selection'http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/education/article5835156.ece
Did not quite know where to post this but it shows that separate school problems are not restricted to Ontario.
Unionist is correct of course, and the ON NDP continue to pay the price of not adequately addressing the separate school issue.
Doesn't the NDP ever want to win an election again in Ontario?
Faith schools accused of 'backdoor selection'http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/education/article5835156.ece
As has been pointed out again and again and again, a majority of Ontarians support one system and only about 25% support the fund Catholics only status quo.
Oh that's baloney. It's an old line party legacy issue in Ontariario, and neither Liberals nor Tories have dealt with it properly. It was not the cause for Mike Harris exiting stage right before an election. And it did not prevent Pinocchio and his Liberals from winning a phony majority. Breaking over 50 of his election promises of 2003 didnt prevent Pinocchio and his Bay Street hirelings part deux from winning a 22 percent majority.
According to the federation of elementary school teachers in Ontario, the real issue is a chronic funding gap between primary and secondary schools in this province, persistent since Harris-Eves' and their uncommon nonsense revolution
Listen to Fidel. He's got the formula for getting the NDP back to power: Ignore the issues, attack the Liberals and Conservatives.
Especially when one of the issues is Ontarians' desire to stop paying for Catholic indoctrination.
It may not be a very original strategy, but at least it's ... ummm ... not very original.
unionist, we have a $100 billion dollar infrastructure deficit in Ontario, and the second-hand economic ideology for giving the country to the Yanks real cheap isnt working very well at all. You might think this is an issue that's going to catapult the NDP into 22 percent phony-baloney majority territory, but then I'd have to say you have no idea what youre talking about. And this is why this old line party legacy issue is not taken seriously by the ONDP right now.
If Pinocchio McGuilty wants to be seen and heard doing something progressive instead of the usual banning cell phones and chewing gum and the like, then let him and his Bay Street hirelings shoulder all of the risk for what could be an executive decision for a change. But leave the NEW Democrats out of it. We dont need this stale air wafting over on to our party. McGuinty's going to have a lot more on his plate than pandering to the anti-Catholic bigots next election.
"Anti-Catholic bigots!"
Is that a major problem in Ontario these days?
A lot of the street and TTC shootings attributable to those roving anti-Papist gangs?
Vandalizing Catholic cemeteries and ripping crucifixes off walls, are they?
Hang on while I check my calendar... whoops, it's 2009!
But thanks for the memories, Fidel!
I think that this "issue" would be better sold as a progressive leftist policy and not the election breaker that someone described above. In all likelihood, the 22 percent who voted Liberal last election will not be swinging NDP if our party relies on this one to put us over the top. Personally, I dont think the ONDP will be able to appeal to very many of those relentless voters in the large minority.
The ONDP needs to appeal to younger voters not the grey hairs whove voted old line party all their lives. This is not a fresh new idea in Ontario and therefore, I dont believe it will speak to those 4 million or so Ontarians who didnt vote last election.
Who said anything about running on "one school system"? That is a red herring Fidel. We have lots of policies on our books that do not see the light of day during the election - thus we pick in choose which ones we campaign on. It would be good to have a policy that the majority support but we don't have to give it top billing.
And you are right, young people don't care - hence the old "religious wars" are passe - they'd rather the "saved money in duplicate infrastructure" go to retrofitting school buildings and making them green friendly, and not having to do endless fundraising.
And as for ETFO, well they are in bargaining and that is their "pitch." But is the main problem - no!
______________________________________________________________________________________ Our kids live together and play together in their communities, let's have them learn together too!
Maybe if we "throw the priests and nuns out of our public schools", as unionist mentioned a while ago, and we pawn off the building of new schools with McGuinty's AFP's, money(and debt) will suddenly grow on private money trees for new infrastructure and public-private services. I dont want to be involved in this neoliberalized race to the bottom. We cant run public services according to a neoliberal business model, and I just think we shouldnt be helping rightwing ideologues in Pinocchio's Liberal government to do it either. This government already doesnt properly fund a slew of important public services.
Still obsessing over that image, eh?
Perhaps I was a bit hasty. Just turn off the money tap. They'll be gone of their own accord in no time flat.
We did have nuns in public schools when my dad and his brothers came to Northern Ontario from Montreal. But that was in the 1920s. I suppose they were still in schools for some time after that. My father liked telling the story about flipping a nun arse over tea kettle in the bowels of the school, all over an accusation and undeserved strapping. Three local boys ganged up on my dad, the new kid from Montreal, because he had nice clothes on. Appaerntly he beat hell out of them, too, and one of them retold the same story at dad's funeral. We couldnt believe it all those years.