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Video game's gay love scene stirs controversy
December 9, 2009 - 12:45pm
Ive got this game and its awesome. Haven't got to that scene yet though
I think I'll avoid that one...
Not really into the dudes doin' dudes
Don't knock it 'til you try it, welder.
You might want to reflect on your candidness here welder.
Nobody said you had to - and that's the point. It's an option - something you can choose in the relationship with that character.
It's about time. Really, what year is this?
1984
Not to be confused with real life where orientation is a fact not a choice.
No chance...
I like girls and at least one likes to hold still for me...
Well welder, you have very little to worry about. The type of slack jawed, mouth breathing, knuckle dragging attitude you represent would have only minority fetish appeal anyway. So avert your eyes, or move on to someplace like Free Dominion where you would probably feel more at home. Oh, and the next time you feel the need to demonstrate your 100% hetero male credentials, unzip and try writing your name in the snow... and here is hoping the windchill at the time exceeds -30.
welder, while this personal disclosure is oh so touching, it is, in fact homophobic. The fact that you just had to take up space in this thread with your homophobia tells me that the best advice to give you regarding this topic is to simply not post about it. Consider this a friendly warning. If this continues, the choice to post here will no longer be yours to make.
Oh, and welder, this?
Don't go there. Dude. Wafer-thin ice.
bagkitty. You know how much I respect and value your voice on babble. And your oblique references to fetishes.
But you can't refer to another babbler in this manner. Even if I agree with you in principle if not in execution. Thanks.
Huh? The guy's making a self-deprecating joke.
Put away the cudgel, please.
But Maysie, I thought that was slightly more clever than just out and out accusing him of being a Neanderthal who had somehow figured out how to jockey a keyboard. I will try to be more concise in the future, and make more use of the flag as offensive button.
Actually, no, that's not what the guy was doing. Sorry you don't like the moderation here, al-Q, but you're just going to have to lump it, and it sure would be nice if you wouldn't keep making snarky comments at Maysie, a volunteer moderator, every time she calls someone on writing something oppressive on babble. You don't have the best track record for recognizing that sort of thing yourself, so perhaps just keep your snark to yourself when the mods are doing their job here, please.
What snark? The guy made a joke about how unattractive he is. This is oppressive?
Um, yeah, gals, a wee tad over-reactive here. Chill already. Or maybe ask him to clarify, if you feel the comment was too cryptic - but how is it oppressive? Is he suggesting that women should submit to him? I didn't see that.
I also fail to see how what welder said was actually homophobic. He didn't say the male-on-male sex scene was sick or shouldn't be there or anything, just that it wasn't his cup of tea. So what?
WTF!?!?
[ETA: I self-censored. Let's just say I am not really enamoured of the diminutive "gals" being employed in the current setting, and suspect that some posters' inability to see cannot be corrected with prescription lenses or laser surgery and is more likely treatable by removing their heads from the anatomically improbable setting it finds itself in. And yes, this is the self-censored version]
I was'nt aware that being heterosexual was a homophobic stance?'l let my gay friends know this...
I'm not really interested in watching men have sex with other men.I'm just not sexually attracted to other men.Sorry if that makes some here think me a knuckle dragging neanderthal!
And as far as the hold still comment..I'm punchin' wwwaaayyy above my weight with my wife...She's quite hot!And let's just say I clean up well...
Nothing wrong with being heterosexual welder, being heterosexist is, however, a problem.
In the context of the current thread, the OP refers to controversy in the gaming community over the existence of a gay-positive portion of a video game (and from what can be gleaned from the linked article, a very small and optional portion of it rather than part of the main progression of the game). Almost immediately you have jumped into the discussion stating your intention to avoid the game... the only reason you give for avoiding it is that you will be exposed to "dudes doin' dudes" -- pretty much the base line definition of a homophobic reaction. There is always the possibility that you were attempting to be funny. You weren't. Your "gay friends" may have enough knowledge about your past actions and attitudtes to not be offended by what Maysie has characterized as your "personal disclosure". We don't have that information, and your posting does offend.
Sorry you're easily offended....I don't agree with you...Some of us are'nt interested in homosexual behaviour(not hateful,just indifferent)...You'll have to accept that,as I have to accept your "thin skin" on the subject.
Have a nice evening...
What bagkitty said at #21.
......
Ok. Looks like it's 101 Time.
Let's start with homophobia. No, it's not homophobic to be heterosexual, but going out of one's way to point out one's heterosexuality in a thread that describes the teensiest (first?) gay content in a mainstream video game, well, it sure doesn't seem like the work of a straight ally, hm? Also, repeated and deliberate distancing of oneself from anything to do with anything queer (or non-straight
) can't be anything but homophobic. If one really sees gay folks as regular folks one has no need to do such blatant emotional distancing.
And "my gay friends"? Really? Um, dude, that's like, so 1980s. And it was BS then too, by the way. See "my Black friends".
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Sexism. Gawd. I didn't think I'd have to break it down, but here goes.
"I like girls"..... (just in case we didn't already get that welder is heterosexual, see homophobia, above)
"at least one"..... while silly, kinda reeks of interchangeability. Also known as.... wait for it.... sexism.
"likes to hold still".... Um, WTF?
"for me" ...... really, do I have to continue?
Oh, ok, it's done. So much in a sentence so short, ill-informed and chock-full with unexamined sexism. Self deprecation notwithstanding. Men can be self-deprecating and still be sexist. Don't make me link to Woody Allen now.
First. bagkitty, having read "The Clan of the Cave Bear", I would ask you to keep an open mind about Neanderthals. I think they've gotten a bad rap.
Second. Maysie, thanks for the 101. I always find it enlightening and grounding when you take the time to do that. It serves to remind people what the Babble Policy statement we all signed means in real day to day posting terms. I trust that for most it will be seen as a learning moment (productive) and not a defensive moment (unproductive).
Don't be so quick to judge me oldgoat, I've had Neanderthal friends...
"See,"my black friends","....I'll talk that over with my wife...She's from Cameroon...
As for the rest...I'll have to chock it up to someone being far too sesnsative to understand a self-depricating joke.
Here's a tip for 'ya'...
Don't ever purchase tickets for a Don Rickles or Russel Peter's show.You don't have the intestinal fortitude...
welder! You're a winner!!!
Damn, social gatherings chez welder must be like half of Noah's Ark... one of everything. The whole diverse human family is represented, and because they continue to be willing to deal with him, no need for him to ever examine what he says or thinks or "man-up" and acknowledge when he has crossed any line. If I write a real nice letter to Santa, do you think he will bring me a world just like that so I can inhabit the high ground too? I've been a moderately good boy all year and a nice little universe like that would really top things off for me.
You left out the "k".
It turns out he's bisexual. Does that make it better?
http://gaygamer.net/2009/12/romancing_zevran.html