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Rokossovsky

sherpa-finn wrote:

Yes, - and that's exactly where the expression "I'm entitled to my entitlements!" comes from.  And why it has become a catch-phrase descriptor of Liberals.

Google Dave Dingwall, for goodness sake.  Then Google Joe Cimino.

Just accept it and move on. If you run with dogs you get fleas.

What an entertaining exchange. More please.

Cool

Pondering

terrytowel wrote:

The only hope the Libs have in winning Vancouver East is if Jodie Emery is the candidate.

If they pass her over, they might as well put in a placeholder as Vancouver East is the safest NDP seat in the country. Even with Libby Davies retiring in 2015

Jodie Emery says she wouldn't expect to win against Libby Davis.

Adam T

As I said in the NDP thread. Jodi Emery got 11.2% of the votes for the Green Party in the 2013 election in Vancouver-West End.  Hardly a start candidate.

Justin Trudeau was on the Vancouver CBC Early Edition today bobbing and weaving over the supposedly open nomination in Vancouver South.

Pondering

Rokossovsky wrote:

sherpa-finn wrote:

Yes, - and that's exactly where the expression "I'm entitled to my entitlements!" comes from.  And why it has become a catch-phrase descriptor of Liberals.

Google Dave Dingwall, for goodness sake.  Then Google Joe Cimino.

Just accept it and move on. If you run with dogs you get fleas.

What an entertaining exchange. More please.

Cool

Government pensions are also an entitlement.

I see you have both bought into the conservative propaganda demonizing people for accepting what they have earned.

sherpa-finn

Debater wrote: John Ivison is being roundly criticized on Twitter today for this latest piece of pro-Conservative spin, and rightly so.

Well not quite. Perhaps we are on different Twitter feeds. Can't imagine why.

All the citiations I have seen of the Ivison article have been quite laudatory. Of course, there was this one killer-comeback from Gerald Butts.

@gmbutts: #TeamTrudeau was in YOW for 3 days of work & training, not an Xmas party. One of many mistakes in this @IvisonJ piece.

Oooooh! Devastating critique!

sherpa-finn

Rokossovsky wrote: What an entertaining exchange. More please.

Like shooting fish in a barrel. There oughta be a law against it.

Adam T

sherpa-finn wrote:

Debater wrote: John Ivison is being roundly criticized on Twitter today for this latest piece of pro-Conservative spin, and rightly so.

Well not quite. Perhaps we are on different Twitter feeds. Can't imagine why.

All the citiations I have seen of the Ivison article have been quite laudatory. Of course, there was this one killer-comeback from Gerald Butts.

Hardly

@nationalpost Oh yes they are awful human beings. And you are the judge of what? Appointed by who?

@nationalpost interesting. Could @IvisonJ name one who fits the picture he paints: ie, 'one w/o purpose or principle & just padding resume'?

@nationalpost @IvisonJ So sick of this sort of lazy generalizing.Had 9 yrs of seeing what a so called principld govt can do.Not buying John.

@nationalpost @IvisonJ not your best john- generalized aspersions on 100 or so people based on small talk with a couple of them 1/2

@nationalpost @IvisonJ John, why did you write that?

Ivison is a dishonest hack. But, what would you expect from a columnist for the Nazi Post?

 

Adam T

Mr. Ivison cautions us on the dangers of generalizations but insists on making a few observations of his own; namely on the vacuity of the Liberal party and its CV padding, careerists candidates.

And from a Liberal candidate

As the federal Liberal candidate for York-Simcoe, having just arrived home from three days of intensive Team Trudeau training in Ottawa, I can assure you that this does not reflect my experience at all (sadly, I did not make it to the Christmas party he mentions).

So, I respectively heed your warning Mr. Ivison, but I will make a few observations of my own.

First, I was amongst a group of over 150 dedicated individuals from all across our country who came to Ottawa to learn. We came to educate ourselves on how we, as federal Liberal candidates, can best serve our regions, our communities, and our country.

Team Trudeau reflects the Liberal commitment to building a group of representatives that are as diverse as our great nation. There are 59 female candidates to date, with a strong percentage of women of colour. In Ontario, British Columbia, and Newfoundland and Labrador there are almost as many women running as men. There are federal Liberal candidates from the Aboriginal community, the LGBT community, the Francophone community, and various other cultural, ethnic, religious, and social communities.

My second observation also follows from the first. I met individuals that are positive, passionate, and ready for change. I met a nurse, an executive director of a homeless shelter, a veteran, a retired grandmother, an Olympian, a Member of Parliament, a Leader of the Liberal party, and yes, a handful of lawyers. While we did spend long hours in sessions and strategy, we were also building an incredibly strong and inclusive team. There was not a sense of destiny or entitlement. There was a sense of hope and hard work.

I wholeheartedly agree that we are an impressive crop, but one that will only continue to grow. The seeds of change have been sown, and the crop is one that is going to change Canada for all the right reasons.

Shaun Tanaka

 

sherpa-finn

As I said, AdamT we follow different folks. You want me to copy and paste the other side, too?

Get real. Let's not reduce a Babble thread to the cutting and pasting of opposing tweets.  NDPers and lefties at large (the folks I tend to follow) - and no doubt Tories - consider Ivison's characterisation of the Liberal candidate pool as insightful and politically useful. While Libs are into heavy spin and damage control.

No surprises here.

Adam T

sherpa-finn wrote:

As I said, AdamT we follow different folks. You want me to copy and paste the other side, too?

Get real. Let's not reduce a Babble thread to the cutting and pasting of opposing tweets.  NDPers and lefties at large (the folks I tend to follow) - and no doubt Tories - consider Ivison's characterisation of the Liberal candidate pool as insightful and politically useful. While Libs are into heavy spin and damage control.

No surprises here.

 

I quoted from the only thread on the topic I could find.  

What exactly is 'spin' about pointing out correctly that Ezra Ivison's enormous generalized observation was based on talking to a handful of Liberal candidates for a few minutes.  As I said, garbage in garbage out. If you want to use the quote of a dissembling hack for political purposes, I think it says all anybody needs to know about your ethics and morality, or lack thereof.  Oh, but hey, you're a New Democrat, so you must be morally superior. In your mind anyway.

sherpa-finn

And the reason of course the Liberals are so concerned about this article, - and are responding so aggressively on Twitter, in the media and evenm here on Babble of all places - is because it is so dangerous as it plays to a prevailing narrative .... one that says that Libs tend to be self-serving dilletantes.  

And shoudl that message gets wind in its sail once again ("Paging Prime Minister Ignatieff!") - and Justin is personally hugely exposed on thsi front as well, - it could be difficult sledding indeed for the LPC.

But in the meantime, let's hear some more irate tweets from LPC operatives!

Adam T

sherpa-finn wrote:

And the reason of course the Liberals are so concerned about this article, - and are responding so aggressively on Twitter, in the media and evenm here on Babble of all places - is because it is so dangerous as it plays to a prevailing narrative .... one that says that Libs tend to be self-serving dilletantes.  

And shoudl that message gets wind in its sail once again ("Paging Prime Minister Ignatieff!") - and Justin is personally hugely exposed on thsi front as well, - it could be difficult sledding indeed for the LPC.

But in the meantime, let's hear some more irate tweets from LPC operatives!

Maybe in your mind. I don't know anybody who thinks that, and I used to volunteer for the NDP.

Debater

sherpa-finn wrote:

Rokossovsky wrote: What an entertaining exchange. More please.

Like shooting fish in a barrel. There oughta be a law against it.

2 partisan NDPers applauding one another's supposed cleverness.

janfromthebruce

Dinsdale won't seek Liberal nomination for Brandon-Souris

Latest in list of nomination complaints

Dinsdale is the latest in a string of Liberals to complain about the national Liberal office meddling in local nominations. Although Trudeau has repeatedly promised to hold open nominations in every riding, the complaints about his team meddling in them have been raised across the country. He did say in February he would not promise not to get involved in nominations, or to publicly support all candidates. But there is a growing anger among some Liberals that Trudeau’s team will stop at nothing to get their candidates in place.

Note the nasty liberal backlash against Dinsdale thus to back up Trudeau selling out the former Liberal candidate who came close to winning. Dinsdale basically blames the national Liberal office for his loss in the byelection by getting the former beaten Conservative candidate to run for the liberal nomination (can't resist: liberal/tory same old story & like two peas in the same pod).

Liberals sure do like to eat their own!

Insiders also say Dinsdale was not high on the list of preferred candidates for a number of reasons, including that he has lived in Toronto for most of the past few years, and there are concerns about his close friendship with columnist and former Liberal staffer Warren Kinsella. Kinsella wrote his own missive today saying he wasn’t going to run for the party this time because he is a contrarian and he’s not wanted by Trudeau.

of note, is the Liberals really try to attract military types to run for them - sounds like we'll be getting more involved in more wars if Liberals are militarizing up their MP ranks.

 

sherpa-finn

Debater wrote: 2 partisan NDPers applauding one another's supposed cleverness.

.... in the face of the usual insipid, self-serving arguments of a couple of apologists for a Liberal Party that has taken Canada through its greatest austerity program and largest political scandals in living memory.  And yet they have no shame showing up on a progressive discussion board to spout their party's line, suggesting that somehow, miraculously, the party has been re-born in a more progressive light.  

Damn straight, Debater. Damn straight.

Brachina

 

 "Are you now or have you ever been friends with Warren" : Aka more liberal nomination corruption/Bullshit. I'm loving it!

 

http://warrenkinsella.com/2014/12/are-you-now-or-have-you-ever-been-frie...

http://warrenkinsella.com/2014/12/my-friend-rolf-dinsdale-on-why-hes-not...

 

 

Pondering

Adam T wrote:

sherpa-finn wrote:

And the reason of course the Liberals are so concerned about this article, - and are responding so aggressively on Twitter, in the media and evenm here on Babble of all places - is because it is so dangerous as it plays to a prevailing narrative .... one that says that Libs tend to be self-serving dilletantes.  

And shoudl that message gets wind in its sail once again ("Paging Prime Minister Ignatieff!") - and Justin is personally hugely exposed on thsi front as well, - it could be difficult sledding indeed for the LPC.

But in the meantime, let's hear some more irate tweets from LPC operatives!

Maybe in your mind. I don't know anybody who thinks that, and I used to volunteer for the NDP.

It's interesting how much Trudeau's enemies are playing into his hands. All Trudeau has to do is stay out of the mud pit and continue focusing on Canadians.

The article insults the NDP even more than the Liberals but in their haste to praise Ivison's insight they completely overlook it. At least he considers Liberal candidates accomplished which apparently means they must feel entitled.

Rokossovsky

Debater wrote:

sherpa-finn wrote:

Rokossovsky wrote: What an entertaining exchange. More please.

Like shooting fish in a barrel. There oughta be a law against it.

2 partisan NDPers applauding one another's supposed cleverness.

I would likely be far better disposed to the Liberal cause, were you to ever once discuss policy, or even your own throughts and feelings about the benefits of Liberal governance, as opposed to running down the NDP, supposedly in the cause of atacking the Conservatives.

I see nothing in your posts but the attempt to build "confirmation bias" in favour of Liberal strategic voting, in the name of who knows what because you never expose what supposed policy benefits are the consequence of Liberal government.

sherpa-finn

Pondering wrote: It's interesting how much Trudeau's enemies are playing into his hands. All Trudeau has to do is stay out of the mud pit and continue focusing on Canadians.

Oh, Pondering, I can't tell if you are being disingenuous or are simply naive. How in the world can Justin stay out of the mudpit, - when he's been elected to lead it!?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/justin-trudeau-denies-forcing-sikh-candidate-from-nomination-race-1.2871455

And for the record, I do not consider myself one of Trudeau's "enemies". Trudeau-skeptic and Trudeau-cynic, absolutely.

Pondering

sherpa-finn wrote:

Pondering wrote: It's interesting how much Trudeau's enemies are playing into his hands. All Trudeau has to do is stay out of the mud pit and continue focusing on Canadians.

Oh, Pondering, I can't tell if you are being disingenuous or are simply naive. How in the world can Justin stay out of the mudpit, - when he's been elected to lead it!?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/justin-trudeau-denies-forcing-sikh-candidate-from-nomination-race-1.2871455

And for the record, I do not consider myself one of Trudeau's "enemies". Trudeau-skeptic and Trudeau-cynic, absolutely.

The guy withdrew from the race because he knows he can't win against the other candidate and now he is complaining. He didn't want to run against the other guy.

P.S.

enemy = One who opposes or is hostile to an idea or cause.

 

Rokossovsky

Quote:
Rolf Dinsdale, who lost the byelection in November 2013 by just 391 votes, issued a scathing letter on Facebook today, saying he won’t be seeking the nomination for the riding again and that "the Liberal Party has made deciding not to run an easy choice for me to make."

The Liberals came within 391 votes of defeating Conservative Larry Maguire, in large part because of a party nomination dispute among the Conservatives. Because of alleged meddling in the Conservative nomination, Killarney-Turtle Mountain Mayor Rick Pauls announced he was going to run as an independent.

Dinsdale, already seeking the Liberal nomination, was thrilled at the prospect of seeing Pauls split the vote with Maguire, leaving the Liberals to come through the middle with a win.

Instead, he says everything went haywire when the Liberals decided to lure Pauls in to run against Dinsdale for the Liberal nomination.

Dinsdale won't seek Liberal nomination for Brandon-Souris

Pondering

Rokossovsky wrote:

Quote:
Rolf Dinsdale, who lost the byelection in November 2013 by just 391 votes, issued a scathing letter on Facebook today, saying he won’t be seeking the nomination for the riding again and that "the Liberal Party has made deciding not to run an easy choice for me to make."

The Liberals came within 391 votes of defeating Conservative Larry Maguire, in large part because of a party nomination dispute among the Conservatives. Because of alleged meddling in the Conservative nomination, Killarney-Turtle Mountain Mayor Rick Pauls announced he was going to run as an independent.

Dinsdale, already seeking the Liberal nomination, was thrilled at the prospect of seeing Pauls split the vote with Maguire, leaving the Liberals to come through the middle with a win.

Instead, he says everything went haywire when the Liberals decided to lure Pauls in to run against Dinsdale for the Liberal nomination.

Dinsdale won't seek Liberal nomination for Brandon-Souris

So Dinsdale wanted to be aclaimed and had his plans all worked out. He doesn't want to compete for the nomination.

Rokossovsky

If I were a Liberal partisan I would be deeply concerned about the effect all these nomination scandals are having on the prospect of rebuilding that grass roots Liberal organization.

While it is all well and fine to have choice candidates, they seem to be missing the mark on developing the foot soldiers needed to bring home the vote. In these rural ridings the Conservatives really dominate in terms of grass roots organization, but after the devastation of the last election, the Liberal Party is probably pretty sparse on the ground, and rebuilding.

Not being able to convert voter "preference" into actual votes, despite a hefty lead in the polls, is almost certainly why Dinsdale likely didn't take Brandon-Souris in the by election.

Now, once again, all the work of building the local party apparatus has to be done again.

Its one thing to have "star" candidates, its another thing to convert that into votes on Eday.

Adam T

Pondering wrote:

sherpa-finn wrote:

Pondering wrote: It's interesting how much Trudeau's enemies are playing into his hands. All Trudeau has to do is stay out of the mud pit and continue focusing on Canadians.

Oh, Pondering, I can't tell if you are being disingenuous or are simply naive. How in the world can Justin stay out of the mudpit, - when he's been elected to lead it!?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/justin-trudeau-denies-forcing-sikh-candidate-from-nomination-race-1.2871455

And for the record, I do not consider myself one of Trudeau's "enemies". Trudeau-skeptic and Trudeau-cynic, absolutely.

The guy withdrew from the race because he knows he can't win against the other candidate and now he is complaining. He didn't want to run against the other guy.

P.S.

enemy = One who opposes or is hostile to an idea or cause.

 

That is simply not true. Dhahan had signed up 4,000 members and Sajjan signed up 1,000.

Pondering

Adam T wrote:

Pondering wrote:

sherpa-finn wrote:

Pondering wrote: It's interesting how much Trudeau's enemies are playing into his hands. All Trudeau has to do is stay out of the mud pit and continue focusing on Canadians.

Oh, Pondering, I can't tell if you are being disingenuous or are simply naive. How in the world can Justin stay out of the mudpit, - when he's been elected to lead it!?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/justin-trudeau-denies-forcing-sikh-candidate-from-nomination-race-1.2871455

And for the record, I do not consider myself one of Trudeau's "enemies". Trudeau-skeptic and Trudeau-cynic, absolutely.

The guy withdrew from the race because he knows he can't win against the other candidate and now he is complaining. He didn't want to run against the other guy.

P.S.

enemy = One who opposes or is hostile to an idea or cause.

 

That is simply not true. Dhahan had signed up 4,000 members and Sajjan signed up 1,000.

Then he should have stayed in the race.

Marco C

Adam T wrote:

That is simply not true. Dhahan had signed up 4,000 members and Sajjan signed up 1,000.

 

Exactly right, and these kind of shenanigans have been going on ever since JT announced his so-called open nomination policy. I've heard it personally from 3 liberal hopefuls who were either pushed out, "encourage” too step aside or had the rules change on them so that the approved candidate would run unopposed.

 

Mind you I don't really care that much as it's the old story of Liberals fighting Liberals for a chance at entitelment.

sherpa-finn

Oh, dear. Now more dissension in the Liberal ranks. This is so unseemly. Who's running this Gong SHow?

This time its our local former Liberal MP in Hull-Aylmer - who has just publicly denounced the newly-selected LPC candidate to challenge Nycole Turmel in 2015.  In a nutshell, he says that Greg Fergus is an unknown who will never unseat Nycole.

Haven't I heard that somewhere before? Oh, yeah. That was me, upthread. Smile

Dissensions au PLC après la désignation de Greg Fergus dans Hull-Aylmer

Pour la seconde fois en l'espace d'une semaine, des dissensions sont apparues dans les rangs du Parti libéral du Canada (PLC) au sujet de l'issue d'une soirée d'investiture, dans la région de la capitale nationale. Dimanche dernier, les esprits s'étaient échauffés dans la circonscription d'Ottawa-Orléans lors de la soirée d'investiture de l'ex-chef d'état-major Andrew Leslie. David Bertschi avait qualifié de « dégueulasse », le fait qu'on ne lui ait pas laissé le droit de participer à la course.    

Cette fois, c'est un éminent membre d'une section locale du parti qui a exprimé son mécontentement sans la moindre retenue. L'ancien député fédéral de la circonscription de Hull-Aylmer, Marcel Proulx, a déploré que le choix des militants se soit porté sur André Fergus, au détriment d'Yves Ducharme.    

« J'ai peur que la famille libérale vienne de donner à Mme Turmel la victoire dans la prochaine élection », a déclaré M. Proulx, qui avait publiquement apporté son appui à l'ancien maire de Gatineau.  Marcel Proulx estime que M. Fergus n'est pas suffisamment connu à Gatineau pour rallier la population. Il a affirmé par ailleurs qu'il ne lui apporterait son soutien que si celui-ci le lui demandait.

http://ici.radio-canada.ca/regions/ottawa/2014/12/12/009-dissensions-parti-liberal-du-canada-greg-fergus.shtml

 

bekayne

Rokossovsky wrote:

Quote:
Rolf Dinsdale, who lost the byelection in November 2013 by just 391 votes, issued a scathing letter on Facebook today, saying he won’t be seeking the nomination for the riding again and that "the Liberal Party has made deciding not to run an easy choice for me to make."

The Liberals came within 391 votes of defeating Conservative Larry Maguire, in large part because of a party nomination dispute among the Conservatives. Because of alleged meddling in the Conservative nomination, Killarney-Turtle Mountain Mayor Rick Pauls announced he was going to run as an independent.

Dinsdale, already seeking the Liberal nomination, was thrilled at the prospect of seeing Pauls split the vote with Maguire, leaving the Liberals to come through the middle with a win.

Instead, he says everything went haywire when the Liberals decided to lure Pauls in to run against Dinsdale for the Liberal nomination.

Dinsdale won't seek Liberal nomination for Brandon-Souris

Dinsdale has his timeline wrong, as his huge lead in the polls appeared well after this.

Rokossovsky

He is talking about what is happening now, not during the by-election.

bekayne

Rokossovsky wrote:

He is talking about what is happening now, not during the by-election.

Nope

The Liberal candidate who almost staged a major political upset in Brandon-Souris last year says he only lost the 2013 byelection because of meddling by the national Liberal office

Rokossovsky

Reading it again, I see that you are right.

Centrist

If the fed Libs can't properly organize a nomination meeting, how the hell can they run the country?! I am referring to tonight's Surrey-Newton fed Lib nomination contest, which was won by dreg Sukh Dhaliwal with 4,600/6,800 votes cast. Even after their 8 pm voting deadline they still didn't have enough voting booths with people still in line:

 

And then the RCMP was called in at about 9 pm.

 

What a friggin' mess that was.

Debater

Considering that it was apparently the biggest nomination race in history, it didn't go too badly under the circumstances.  There were THOUSANDS of people voting.  You just don't see that at the average nomination.  It was a huge number of people to sign up, and it bodes well for Sukh Dhaliwal's chances of winning back the riding.  He only narrowly lost to Jinny Sims in 2011, and re-distribution only gives the NDP a lead of a few hundred votes.

If Dhaliwal can mobilize that many voters again in 2015, Sims is in trouble.

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Redistribution for Surrey Newton:

NDP - 11,459 (35.3%)     

Lib - 11,066 (34.1%)

Cons - 8,903 (27.4%)

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http://www.punditsguide.ca/riding/?riding=2162

Centrist

Sorry, but the fed Libs were aware of potential problems going in. Were well publicized. And fist fights outside the nomination station is just another example of the problems that they face politically.

BTW, I have already conceded Surrey-Newton to the fed Libs. The Cons will take the 3 other Surrey seats and the NDP will hopefully retain  and hang onto Surrey-Centre (formerly Surrey North). But frankly I am not sure of that anymore with vote splits and the narrow '11 margin. May even fall back into the Cons lap again.

Rokossovsky

The organizational task of building a whole new party based on the name recognition factor of one of Pierre Elliot Trudeau's sons is immense. I suspect there will be a lot of lost votes due to shoddy organization on the ground in the upcoming election.

The Liberals ability to convert polled "voter preference" into the commensurate number of votes on Eday is very much in doubt. The results in Brandon-Souris says no, given that it should have been a walk based on the polls. Same in the recent Oshawa contest, where they polled higher than they returned.

Now they have to do this trick country wide. Big question mark there.

Pierre's son is not showing signs of building a fervent movement of support like his father. His support seems to be shaped more in the form of a "hold your nose" placeholder, than someone building a groundswell of enthusiasm.

George Smitherman with hair.

Adam T

Debater wrote:

Considering that it was apparently the biggest nomination race in history, it didn't go too badly under the circumstances.  There were THOUSANDS of people voting.  You just don't see that at the average nomination.  It was a huge number of people to sign up, and it bodes well for Sukh Dhaliwal's chances of winning back the riding.  He only narrowly lost to Jinny Sims in 2011, and re-distribution only gives the NDP a lead of a few hundred votes.

 

Robert Wenman's conservative nomination race in Fraser Valley West (British Columbia) in 1984 more have had a higher turnout. I count find the numbers online. I believe that was the previous high.

Stockholm

The Liberals in Surrey-Newton are also very divided after a bloody nomination fight and Sukh Dhaliwal is a VERY flawed candidate who was barred from running for the BC Liberals because of criminal activities he has been involved in. There are also a low of controversies in Newton about how He apparently had his people pay for everyone's membership fees with gift cards...

Surrey Centre will be interesting but kep in mind that the CPC vote there was likely inflated because Dona Cadman was running for re-election as an incumbent. With her out of the picture the CPC vote may drop back to its more traditional (low) levels in that seat.

Debater

Rokossovsky wrote:

The organizational task of building a whole new party based on the name recognition factor of one of Pierre Elliot Trudeau's sons is immense. I suspect there will be a lot of lost votes due to shoddy organization on the ground in the upcoming election.

The Liberals ability to convert polled "voter preference" into the commensurate number of votes on Eday is very much in doubt. The results in Brandon-Souris says no, given that it should have been a walk based on the polls. Same in the recent Oshawa contest, where they polled higher than they returned.

Now they have to do this trick country wide. Big question mark there.

Pierre's son is not showing signs of building a fervent movement of support like his father. His support seems to be shaped more in the form of a "hold your nose" placeholder, than someone building a groundswell of enthusiasm.

George Smitherman with hair.

I see you're back to your usual way of interpreting numbers in a most peculiar way.

First of all, if you're referring to a couple of Forum by-election polls to make your case, I'm not sure how wise that is.  Forum overestimated Liberal support in a couple of ridings, but I'm not sure what that tells us.  The fact that the Trudeau Liberals almost won Brandon-Souris is remarkable considering that it has voted Conservative in almost every election since Confederation.

Secondly, it's not the Liberals who are having trouble building support right now - it's the NDP.  The NDP needed to maintain and build on its support from 2011, and so far it is down in every region of the country, and in some places down by a large margin.  It has dropped in almost every by-election and has not been able to build the support in between elections that it needed if Mulcair is going to succeed in 2014.  As Chantal Hébert, Andrew Coyne & others have said recently, the NDP is in serious trouble right now.

swallow swallow's picture

Debater wrote:
The fact that the Trudeau Liberals almost won Brandon-Souris is remarkable considering that it has voted Conservative in almost every election since Confederation.

If Confederation had been in the 1950s, sure. But prior to that, Brandon voted Liberal most often, Progressive (or Progressive-Liberal) the second most often, and Conservative the remaining times. 

nicky

The Liberals won B-S under Chretien

Debater

We're kind of getting off-track here.  The bottom line is that it's remarkable how well the Liberals did in that riding last year considering that it's a riding that has only voted Liberal in modern history in 1993 when there was a right-wing split.

The bigger question is why the NDP vote collapsed in that riding, and in Provencher.  The NDP had finished ahead of the Liberals in both those ridings under Layton.

Rokossovsky

So, no problem reconstituting a nation wide political operation nation wide, after almost complete collapse in 2011? K....

sherpa-finn

The Liberals have nominated tonight another party-insider for an Ottawa area riding. This time its Steve MacKinnon in Gatineau - where he will take on Francoise Boivin, the NDP incumbent. (Nomination meeting tomorrow.)

The Gatineau riding has not been hugely fertile Liberal territory at the federal level. The Libs have come third behind the NDP and Bloc in both of the last two elections. (In 2011 MacKinnn got 13% for the Libs, just pipped at teh post by Boivin with 61%.)  And of course the last Liberal to hold Gatineau was actually Boivin herself, who shifted over to the NDP when the LPC headed right under Ignatieff.

Not quite sure what it is with the Libs preferring to nominate back-room boys in local ridings here, rather than candidates with legitimate community roots and profiles. (MacKinnon's nomination comes a few days after Greg Fergus of similar political pedigree won the LPC nomination in adjoining Hull-Aylmer.) My sense is that the national capital region has been awash with under-employed Liberal hacks for a decade now, and these folks are hoping to ride a Trudeau campaign back into another back-room post. And running as a candidate - even in a losing local cause - is one way to score points with The Boss. So the careerist / "not in it for the people" angle observed by John Ivison this past week continues to play out here.

Just FTR, Mackinnon was described as follows in the local paper pre-the 2011 election: An experienced behind-the-scenes figure in the Liberal Party, Steven MacKinnon is moving into the public eye by running for the Gatineau seat. After graduating from the University of Moncton, MacKinnon worked in New Brunswick Liberal premier Frank McKenna’s office. He was named national director of the Liberal Party of Canada in 2003 and directed Michael Ignatieff’s successful campaign for the Liberal leadership in 2009. The bilingual 42-year-old is currently the vice president of marketing and communications firm Hill and Knowlton.

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Rokossovsky wrote:

So, no problem reconstituting a nation wide political operation nation wide, after almost complete collapse in 2011? K....

That's not what I said.  Of course there's still a lot of party infrastructure work to do across the country for the Liberals.  That's the whole point.  It shows how skilled Justin Trudeau is that he's been able to make so many improvements so fast to a party that was in bad shape when he got it.  He wasn't given a party that had just had it's best result ever like Tom Mulcair.

Glad to see you are acknowledging that Justin Trudeau was not handed any crown and that he's had to work hard at re-building a party rather than getting one at the height of its popularity.

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Anyway, on to Nova Scotia for a minute. . .

Here's an article this week from the Chronicle Herald by Paul Mcleod discussing the head start the Federal Liberals could have in this province going into 2015.  (David Akin also said recently that he predicts good results in Nova Scotia for the Liberals in 2015.)  Nothing is guaranteed for the Liberals, but it appears things are off to a good start.

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N.S. Grits get early start in federal campaign

December 9, 2014

http://thechronicleherald.ca/novascotia/1256748-n.s.-grits-get-early-sta...

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We're kind of getting off-track here. 

Hey, you're the one who brought up "since Confederation"! 

The presumptive Liberal nominee in my riding (in rural Quebec) reports that the local riding assocation has 80 members, down from its height of 2,000. 

Adam T

Karley Scott is the Liberal candidate for Central Okanagan-Similkameen-Nicola. Won by acclamation.

https://www.facebook.com/centralokanaganliberals

https://ca.linkedin.com/pub/karley-scott/49/734/641

janfromthebruce

Stockholm wrote:

The Liberals in Surrey-Newton are also very divided after a bloody nomination fight and Sukh Dhaliwal is a VERY flawed candidate who was barred from running for the BC Liberals because of criminal activities he has been involved in. There are also a low of controversies in Newton about how He apparently had his people pay for everyone's membership fees with gift cards...

Surrey Centre will be interesting but kep in mind that the CPC vote there was likely inflated because Dona Cadman was running for re-election as an incumbent. With her out of the picture the CPC vote may drop back to its more traditional (low) levels in that seat.

B.C. Liberal candidate Sukh Dhaliwal, wife plead guilty to tax charges, pay minimum fines Published: March 11, 2014

Convicted tax cheat, Sukh Dhaliwah joings Team Trudeau! Funny because the green light rules sure seem inconsistent under the Liberals. The former Liberal leadership candidate barred from running in Ottawa and one Liberal head office excuse is about legal lawsuit that was dismissed. Meanwhile while this guy is a criminal. 

Former Liberal MP and B.C. Liberal candidate Sukh Dhaliwal and his wife have pleaded guilty to failing to file tax returns for their consulting company.

Dhaliwal pleaded guilty Tuesday in B.C. provincial court in Surrey to three charges of failing to comply with the Income Tax Act.

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On Monday, Roni Dhaliwal pleaded guilty to five charges of failing to comply with the Income Tax Act. She was also fined $1,000 for each charge — a total of $5,000 — and paid the fine Monday. She was initially facing 14 charges.

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According to court documents, it was alleged that Dhaliwal “did unlawfully direct, authorize, assent to acquiesce in or participate in” the failure of Genco Consultants Inc. — for which Dhaliwal is listed as president and director and his wife as secretary — to file a completed corporate income tax return on Form T2 for the taxation years 2004, 2005, 2007, 2008, 2009 and 2010.

A notice of requirement was served personally on Dhaliwal on Aug. 24, 2011, however tax returns were not filed by the 120-day deadline. Charges were sworn in October 2012.

I see he supported Michael Ignatieff for the Leadership so he's an Martinite and thus right leaning Liberal and a crock!

Adam T

janfromthebruce wrote:

 

I see he supported Michael Ignatieff for the Leadership so he's an Martinite and thus right leaning Liberal and a crock!

He was going to be the candidate for the provincial Liberals but had to drop out when the tax charges came up.  He also was an organizer for a right leaning civic group in Surrey.

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Former Calgary anchor Nirmala Naidoo nominated as Liberal candidate in Calgary Rocky Ridge.

http://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/nirmala-naidoo-nominated-as-feder...

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