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terrytowel

Debater wrote:

Former Liberal MP Borys Wrzesnewskyj nominated in Etobicoke Centre, ON.

This is the riding that the Conservatives only won by 25 votes in 2011 under suspicious circumstances.  They only held onto it because of a 5-4 decision at the Supreme Court that stopped the by-election from going forward.  Polls at the time showed Borys Wrzesnewskyj leading by 10 points.

https://twitter.com/BorysWrz/status/535946140697362432

How was he able to be nominated when he is pro-life on the abortion issue.

UPDATE; It was just explained to me on twitter that a candidate can be pro-life, but any vote on abortion is a whipped vote. All Liberal MPs have to vote to support a woman's right to choose.

Rokossovsky

Gerrard Kennedy? Now where is he? He is one of those truly "progressive" Liberals, who tries to put teeth into the word once in a while. I am surprised not to see him entering into the fray? Now more than ever would be a chance for him to win a seat, but for some reason I don't see his name anywhere?

What's up with that?

sherpa-finn

Twitter tells me this is from the Liberal nomination meeting in Laval. But to be fair, it could just be a run of the mill drunken brawl at some corporate convention or family reunion.  Good times.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152404745865685

sherpa-finn

Rokossovsky wondered where Gerard Kennedy is these days.  I seem to recall reading that he was working in some role for a private health services company after the 2011 ekection  ... but after at least four defeats that I can remember  (2 ON leadership races; 1 federal leadership race; and losing to Peggy Nash in Parkdale) I would say that the bloom has been knocked rather resoundingly off this rose.

That said, my bet is that if Trudeau makes it to Sussex Drive next year, Kennedy will get a career re-boot with a seat on assorted Commissions, or maybe even a seat in the Senate - where he can grow gracefully old as an irrelevant voice of progressive liberalism. And with new found job security, brand himself as "the social conscience of the party".

Adam T

Warren Kinsella ran for the Federal Liberals in North Vancouver (British Columbia) in 1997.

Debater

sherpa-finn wrote:

Twitter tells me this is from the Liberal nomination meeting in Laval. But to be fair, it could just be a run of the mill drunken brawl at some corporate convention or family reunion.  Good times.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152404745865685

Laval-Les-Iles was a long-time Liberal seat until the 2011 Layton wave.  It's a seat that the Liberals can win back in 2015, so there are about 5 or 6 people who want the nomination and it sounds like it got a little intense.  These things happen.

The CPC nomination in Oakville North-Burlington got pretty heated earlier this year, too, and both Eve Adams & her competitor were ordered to drop out of the race by CPC HQ.  It also cost Dimitri Soudas his job in the PMO.

Adam T

These are the Liberal M.Ps who have announced they won't be running again in 2015:

1.Gerry Byrne, Humber-St Barbe-Baie Verte, New Foundland, leaving to run provincially
2.Irwin Cotler, Mount Royal, Quebec
3.Ted Hsu, Kingston and the Islands, Ontario
4.Lise St. Denis, St. Maurice-Champlain, Quebec
5.Frank Valeriote. Guelph, Ontario

 

Adam T

Federal Liberal Candidates for nomination in B.C

1.Abbotsford

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2.Burnaby South

A.Adam Pankratz, Coast Capital Credit Union Business Banking Officer, B.A-French Linguistics and Modern Languages, M.A-Foreign Languages (French and Spanish), MBA

3.Cariboo-Prince George

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4.Central Okanagan-Similkameen-Nicola

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5.Coquitlam-Port Coquitlam

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6.Cowichan-Malahat-Langford

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7.Delta

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8.Esquimalt-Saanich-Sooke

A.Luke Krayenhoff, Self Employed Management Consultant, former RCMP Officer and former Ministry of Labour Mediator, former RBC Investment Advisor, BBA, M-Public Management

9.Fleetwood-Port Kells

A.Arne Gulstene

10.Kootenay-Columbia

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11.Langley-Aldergrove

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12.Nanaimo-Ladysmith

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13.New Westminster-Burnaby

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14.Pitt Meadows-Maple Ridge

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15.Port Moody-Coquitlam

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16.Prince George-Peace River-Northern Rockies

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17.Richmond Centre

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18.Saanich-Gulf Islands

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19.Skeena-Bulkley Valley

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20.South Surrey-White Rock

A.Joy Davies, Director Medical Cannabis Partners, former Grand Forks City Councillor

21.Steveston-Richmond East

A.Wendy Yuan,53. President Bradley Pacific Enterprises (Resource Export Company), B.A-English and Economics, M.A-International Management, Vancouver-Kingsway Federal Liberal Nominee 2008 and 2011

B.Joe Peschisolido?, Self Employed Lawyer and former Company Director of Legal and Corporate Affairs, B.A(Hons)-Political Science, former M.P 2000-2004 Conservative 2000-2002 (not sure if running)

22.Surrey Centre

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23.Surrey-Newton

A.Sukh Dhaliwal,54, Land Surveying Company Owner, B.Sc-Engineering and Civil Engineering, Former M.P 2006-2011

B.Randeep Singh Sara,39, Lawyer and former Property Developer

24.Vancouver East

A.Jodie Emery,29, Owner Cannabis Culture Headquarters, 2005 Provincial Marijuana Party Candidate, 2009 and 2013 Provincial Green Party Candidate in Vancouver-Fraserview

B.Richard Jacques,49, Retired Police Officer, B-Ed Student

25.Vancouver-Kingsway

A.John Bolduc Arthur, Business Consultant, Retired Navy Intelligence Veteran/Lieutenant, B.A(Hons)-International Development, M-Public Management, Violinist

B.Mary Pynenburg,58, Self Employed Planning and Policy Research Consultant, Former New Westminster Director of Planning, B.A-Architecture, M-Urban Planning, President National Women's Liberal Commission, 2004 and 2006 Liberal Candidate in Burnaby-New Westminster

26.Vancouver South, Nomination Date: December 12

A.Harjit Singh Sajjan, Army Reserve Lieutenant Colonel, former Police Officer

B.Barj Dhahan, President and CEO Sandhurst Group (Owner of a Chain of Esso Stations and Tim Horton's Franchises and Real Estate Development),  Past Chair Canada-India Foundation, Yoga Teacher, B.A-Sociology and History

27.Victoria

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Debater

Nov 27, 2014

Tom Allen, former Lennoxville councillor, university football commissioner & chief organizer of Sherbrooke's Canada Games was chosen as Liberal candidate for Sherbrooke, QC.

http://www.cbc.ca/player/Radio/Local+Shows/Quebec/ID/2618125273/

sherpa-finn

Here in Hull-Aylmer the Liberals will have a contested nomination to select their candidate to run against Nicole Turmel, the NDP incumbent.  It will be between a Liberal party-insider / local community 'activist' Greg Fergus (relatively young, from an immigrant family) with little public profile. And an old school municipal politician -a past mayor of Gatineau - Yves Ducharme. Ducharme certainly has the higher political profile but has the disadvantage of having been badly defeated five years back at the municipal level, - and also the whiff or possible scandal that hovers about all big city mayors in Quebec these days.

The vote is December 11.   

Adam T

26.Vancouver South, Nomination Date: December 12

A.Harjit Singh Sajjan, Army Reserve Lieutenant Colonel, former Police Officer

B.Barj Dhahan, President and CEO Sandhurst Group (Owner of a Chain of Esso Stations and Tim Horton's Franchises and Real Estate Development),  Past Chair Canada-India Foundation, Yoga Teacher, B.A-Sociology and History

Decorated Sikh Army Man Sajjan Most Likely To Be Acclaimed In South Vancouver Liberal Nomination

Challenger Barj Dhahan Tells LINK He Withdrew From Race But Most Likely Told To Go By Party Brass!

http://thelinkpaper.ca/?p=42565

I understand that Dhahan's business headquarters is in Richmond. Hopefully, if he is not too disgusted with the Liberals he will consider running for them in the federal riding of Richmond Centre.

 

Debater

Liberal MLA Kent Hehr (Calgary-Buffalo) was nominated in Calgary Centre this weekend.  Could be the best chance of an Alberta seat for the Liberals.  Joan Croackatt is a weak CPC MP, and only narrowly won the Calgary Centre by-election in 2012.  Even Conservatives admit that the Liberals have a chance at this seat, particularly now that the Liberal nominee is an MLA and is better-known than the Liberal from the 2012 by-election.

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Hehr sets off Calgary Centre battle with Liberal nomination

November 29, 2014

http://calgaryherald.com/news/politics/hehr-to-get-liberal-nomination-se...

Centrist

Adam T wrote:

25.Vancouver-Kingsway

A.John Bolduc Arthur, Business Consultant, Retired Navy Intelligence Veteran/Lieutenant, B.A(Hons)-International Development, M-Public Management, Violinist

B.Mary Pynenburg,58, Self Employed Planning and Policy Research Consultant, Former New Westminster Director of Planning, B.A-Architecture, M-Urban Planning, President National Women's Liberal Commission, 2004 and 2006 Liberal Candidate in Burnaby-New Westminster

That`s the race that I am keeping my eye on and no nomination date has been set AFAIK.

Have always wondered whether Van City VV councillor Raymond Louie will throw his hat into the ring (ie. being convinced to run). Louie attended Iggy events back in 2011, was rumoured to be candidate here back then, endorsed Ujjal Dosanjh in Van South back in 2011, and relatively recently provided glowing reviews in the Van Sun about Trudeau`s city plans. All reported via media outlets back then (Google).

If the Libs only have the 2 no-name contenders listed then Don Davies will keep his seat for the NDP. If someone like Louie throws his hat into the ring, will likely be a helluva race after seeing the silly Trudeau swarming in Van City.

 

Debater

What is a "silly Trudeau swarming"?

Adam T

Centrist wrote:

That`s the race that I am keeping my eye on and no nomination date has been set AFAIK.

Have always wondered whether Van City VV councillor Raymond Louie will throw his hat into the ring (ie. being convinced to run). Louie attended Iggy events back in 2011, was rumoured to be candidate here back then, endorsed Ujjal Dosanjh in Van South back in 2011, and relatively recently provided glowing reviews in the Van Sun about Trudeau`s city plans. All reported via media outlets back then (Google).

If the Libs only have the 2 no-name contenders listed then Don Davies will keep his seat for the NDP. If someone like Louie throws his hat into the ring, will likely be a helluva race after seeing the silly Trudeau swarming in Van City.

 

Don Davies got 50.1% of the vote last time, it would take quite a lot to defeat him.

Debater

Mayor of Cote Saint-Luc Anthony Housefather chosen as Liberal nominee for Mount Royal, QC

http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/housefather-wins-coveted-liberal-nomination-i...

Adam T

Debater wrote:

Mayor of Cote Saint-Luc Anthony Housefather chosen as Liberal nominee for Mount Royal, QC

http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/housefather-wins-coveted-liberal-nomination-i...

 

This is Housefeathers!

sherpa-finn

Another damn Marxist...

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Debater

Former mayoral candidate Robert-Falcon Ouellette to run for Liberals in Winnipeg Centre

Dec 3 2014

WINNIPEG - An aboriginal candidate who won praise for his mayoral campaign in Winnipeg wants to become a Liberal member of Parliament.

Robert-Falcon Ouellette said Wednesday he is seeking the Liberal nomination in Winnipeg Centre, a seat currently held by New Democrat Pat Martin.

Ouellette, 38, was something of a Cinderella candidate in October's mayoral race. With no organization, name recognition or party backing, he finished a strong third with 16 per cent of the vote and gained attention for speaking about poverty and race issues.

Ouellette had been eyeing other political parties, but said the Liberals reflect his vision for the country.

"I just felt that the Liberal party was the party that really represented, and was speaking to, me more as an individual, talking about their vision for the country."

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More:

http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/2014/12/03/former-mayoral-candidate-to-...

terrytowel

There is absolutely no way Robert-Falcon Ouellette would ever knock off Pat Martin in Winnipeg Centre.

Debater

Pat Martin isn't going to be around forever.  At some point voters will get tired of a loudmouthed MP who will only ever be in Opposition.

So maybe Ouellette won't win on his first attempt since the Liberals have a lot of re-building to do in that riding, but he's a young man with some great potential for the future.

Aristotleded24

I have to agree with Debater on this one. The NDP machine in Manitoba is not in top shape, and there is a sense that Martin is arrogant and that he takes for granted the riding. Falcon-Ouelette will at least give Martin a strong challenge.

I just hope Falcon-Ouelette doesn't go on about how important it is to Stop Harper given the choice of where he decided to run.

janfromthebruce

Pat Martin shines in his riding and in the House.

janfromthebruce

Incidently, since Liberals like to say that 2011 election outcome was a blib in outcomes. Just to remind that the Liberals had been losing vote share and seats starting in 2003. It was ten long years of descend in vote share and seats.

Pondering

janfromthebruce wrote:

Incidently, since Liberals like to say that 2011 election outcome was a blib in outcomes. Just to remind that the Liberals had been losing vote share and seats starting in 2003. It was ten long years of descend in vote share and seats.

The decline in seats was natural.The Liberals had been in power from 1993 to 2005. Losing vote share in 2003 was to be expected. The NDP's sudden rise was in large part due to the Bloc's collapse and the ineptitude of the Liberal executive not any massive shift in political loyalty.

During Trudeau's leadership campaign he said something to the effect of pulling solutions from both the left and the right. In the selection of Liberal candidates it's evident to me that he is applying the same principle. The candidates in conservative ridings lean right and the ones in more progressive ridings lean left. This fits in with Trudeau's theme that representatives should represent their communities to Ottawa, not just be messengers from Ottawa to the communities.

 

nicky

Just shows that Justin really doesn't believe in anything.

Debater

janfromthebruce wrote:

Pat Martin shines in his riding and in the House.

Jan, you are an NDP partisan - you aren't exactly objective.  You ran for the NDP in the provincial election in Ontario this year, as did your daughter.  And you are on Twitter every day posting good things about the NDP and bad things about the Liberals.

Pat Martin has been an embarassment to the NDP on many occasions.

1.  He had to shut down his Twitter account a couple of years ago because he had trouble controlling his temper and was constantly getting into fights with people.  Kady O'Malley discussed this in an interview last year about social media use by politicians.

2.  He blurted out inaccurate comments about the Racknine company a couple of years ago during the robocalls scandal and got sued and ended up having to settle the lawsuit outside of court.

janfromthebruce

Most races starting in northern Ontario and moving to the west coast were basically straight up NDP/Con races. NDP, unlike the Liberals had been taking seats from Conservatives. The NDP also won more seats in Ontario than the Liberals did. Liberals lost to both the NDP and Cons.

However, I agree that "In the selection of Liberal candidates it's evident to me that he is applying the same principle". Note you said he is applying which shows that you too don't believe that bull of "open nominations".

But I disagree about the left and right when the Liberal candidate Bill Morneau for a downtown Toronto Centre (a progressive area) is anything related to "progressive".

Bill Morneau, Chair Of C.D. Howe Institute, Steps Down After Partisan Speech To Liberals

The head of a conservative think tank is stepping down after the Huffington Post Canada reported he intends to run for the Liberal party in the next federal election.

Bill Morneau was chair of the C.D. Howe Institute when he took the stage Saturday to speak to delegates at the Liberal party's convention in Montreal. He delivered a partisan speech that irked at least one member of the Institute's board of the directors.

Of course, he doesn't live in that riding and had preferred to run in "Don Valley West, but was told to run in Toronto Centre after the former Liberal MP Rob Oliphant put up a strong internal fight."

Again shows liberals nominations aren't open but who goes where is directed from above, and that selection of left/right candidates as actually representing their communities is such more Liberal hooey.

Noted on his endorsement page that nobody was lauding his CD howe chairmanship. Funny that. It is the most prominent aspect of his candidacy, funny they are hiding it.

And about Bill page, it's down the food chain about C.D.Howe with prevalence given to charity boards. One would think that "president" and just stepping down from C.D. Howe would be prominent, giving creed to his conservative, right leaning credentials.

http://www.billmorneau.ca/endorsements

Debater

Aristotleded24 wrote:

I have to agree with Debater on this one. The NDP machine in Manitoba is not in top shape, and there is a sense that Martin is arrogant and that he takes for granted the riding. Falcon-Ouelette will at least give Martin a strong challenge.

I just hope Falcon-Ouelette doesn't go on about how important it is to Stop Harper given the choice of where he decided to run.

Well, although it's true that the Conservatives aren't a threat in Winnipeg Centre, it is important to have as many Liberal seats as possible in 2015 in order to beat Harper.  Since the NDP cannot beat Harper in Ontario or Nationally, if NDP seats go Liberal, it would give the Liberals a better chance of stopping the Conservatives, even if they aren't a factor in this particular riding.

As for Falcon-Ouellette, I'm not predicting he will necessarily win the seat.  He has to start from fairly far back after the weak Liberal results in in recent elections.  But since the Liberals are ahead of the NDP in Manitoba (eg. yesterday's Ipsos poll) and since Falcon-Ouellette received a lot of positive reaction in the recent Mayoral race, he has the potential to at least finish 2nd if he doesn't win and to build a strong foundation for the future.

Anyway, rather than getting into the usual Liberal vs. NDP arguing on this thread, one thing I think we can all agree on is that this is a young man with a lot of positive qualities and whose values are those that the NDP respects, too.  Mulcair & the NDP had been courting him to run for them, so that shows he's a good candidate!

Pondering

janfromthebruce wrote:
However, I agree that "In the selection of Liberal candidates it's evident to me that he is applying the  same principle". Note you said he is applying which shows that you too don't believe that bull of "open nominations".

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Again shows liberals nominations aren't open but who goes where is directed from above, and that selection of left/right candidates as actually representing their communities is such more Liberal hooey.

No but all of the parties are actively seeking people to run none more so than the Liberals because they have the fewest seats. All parties have green light committees. All parties make sure there are no skeletons in the closet and that they reflect the party's values. Open nominations means multiple people can run.

janfromthebruce wrote:
Noted on his endorsement page that nobody was lauding his CD howe chairmanship. Funny that. It is the most prominent aspect of his candidacy, funny they are hiding it.

And about Bill page, it's down the food chain about C.D.Howe with prevalence given to charity boards. One would think that "president" and just stepping down from C.D. Howe would be prominent, giving creed to his conservative, right leaning credentials.

http://www.billmorneau.ca/endorsements

It is here http://www.billmorneau.ca/meet_bill not under endorsements and where it is on the page doesn't matter it's there not hidden. It's not a secret. It's on his wiki page too.

trotwood73

Debater wrote:

janfromthebruce wrote:

Pat Martin shines in his riding and in the House.

Jan, you are an NDP partisan - you aren't exactly objective.  You ran for the NDP in the provincial election in Ontario this year, as did your daughter.  And you are on Twitter every day posting good things about the NDP and bad things about the Liberals.

Pat Martin has been an embarassment to the NDP on many occasions.

1.  He had to shut down his Twitter account a couple of years ago because he had trouble controlling his temper and was constantly getting into fights with people.  Kady O'Malley discussed this in an interview last year about social media use by politicians.

2.  He blurted out inaccurate comments about the Racknine company a couple of years ago during the robocalls scandal and got sued and ended up having to settle the lawsuit outside of court.

You see.... that's where you are WRONG Debater. We LOVE Pat Martin because he speaks his mind, you always know what he thinking and you know you can trust him!

Sure, he might not be strong on parliamentary protocol, but frankly I think he did just fine this time! "Freaking" is not a curse word.

Need I remind you that your leader , The Annointed One, was once called out for saying "b*llsh*t" in the House?.

KenS

"All parties have green light committees" is a relativistic dodge.

Trudeau made a big deal about how things would be different with open nominations. Thay have been anything but. There have been several people at least booted out of the way with one mechanism of another, because the brain trust wanted to reserve the seat for someone else, not because the prospect gfailed to pass a green light committee.

All parties have green light committees. And in all parties, at least in some cases, the centre uses some formal mechanisms to favour who they want and/or sideline the competition. But the Liberals do it the most. They always have. The number of instances of that MAY have come down, but Trudeau promised open nominations. Period.

Even control freak Harper has done far better at making the open nominations promise mean something.

terrytowel

Pat Martin has his seat for as long as he wants it. The Liberals have parachuted other high profile candidates to oppose him, but Pat always emerged victorious.

I love Pat Martin, and wish he would ask more questions in HOC.

He isn't going anywhere, and has that seat for as long as he wants it.

addictedtomyipod

I love Pat Martin, he's the real deal, unlike some elites with silver spoons in their mouth.

Debater

trotwood73 wrote:

You see.... that's where you are WRONG Debater. We LOVE Pat Martin because he speaks his mind, you always know what he thinking and you know you can trust him!

Sure, he might not be strong on parliamentary protocol, but frankly I think he did just fine this time! "Freaking" is not a curse word.

Need I remind you that your leader , The Annointed One, was once called out for saying "b*llsh*t" in the House?.

I didn't say Freaking was a curse word.  I wasn't referring to that.  You ignored the other 2 issues concerning Pat Martin that I raised.

1.  Inability to control himself on Twitter and having to close his account.

2.  Getting into a lawsuit with Racknine because of his big mouth.

The point is that Mulcair can't ever give him a high-profile role, and Martin couldn't ever be a party leader or a cabinet minister because he flies off the handle so easily.  He has a major anger management problem.

As for Justin Trudeau, the one time he swore in the House was under his breath when he thought the microphone was off, and it was to defend NDP MP Megan Leslie when Peter Kent was being patronizing to her!

sherpa-finn

The suggestion that Trudeau was being gallant in defending Megan Leslie is a rather aggrandizing manpiulation of what actually happened that day in the House. 

It was 2011, and Megan Leslie was asking Kent about the Gov'ts decision to officially withdraw from the Kyoto accord. In responding, Kent sarcastically responded that Leslie should have been in Durban for the UN meeting. However, as everyone well knew, the then-minister had banned all oppostion MPs from the delegation, including Libs + Greens.

Of course in Hansard, the contribution from the Hon member for Papineau to the debate is recorded with the usual discretion: 

Some hon. members: Oh, oh!

Just for the record, Trudeau did not say 'Bullshit' under his breath / off-mike. He shouted out to Kent across the aisle "You're a piece of shit!"

And Megan Leslie doesn't need defending. That damsel was not in distress.

Aristotleded24

janfromthebruce wrote:
Pat Martin shines in his riding and in the House.

Oh please. The man is an arrogant, verbally abusive, loudmouth bully who has only held on because of the relative strength of the NDP in his riding. His memorable moments include not only a [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7OO-mUh3W8]passionate plea to remove the word "socialism" from the NDP constitution,[/url] he also managed to make [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJkOmatBS-I]Candice Bergen[/url] and [url=http://www.ctvnews.ca/senate-leader-defends-harper-s-appointments-1.6473... Lebreton[/url] look good by comparison.

Rokossovsky

It was still a good moment, and good for the NDP in the prairies I should think.

terrytowel

addictedtomyipod wrote:
I love Pat Martin, he's the real deal, unlike some elites with silver spoons in their mouth.

The HOC is a better place with Pat Martin asking questions. We need more like him.

 

trotwood73

sherpa-finn wrote:

Just for the record, Trudeau did not say 'Bullshit' under his breath / off-mike. He shouted out to Kent across the aisle "You're a piece of shit!"

Thanks for the correction.

trotwood73

Debater wrote:

I didn't say Freaking was a curse word.  I wasn't referring to that.  You ignored the other 2 issues concerning Pat Martin that I raised.

1.  Inability to control himself on Twitter and having to close his account.

2.  Getting into a lawsuit with Racknine because of his big mouth.

The point is that Mulcair can't ever give him a high-profile role, and Martin couldn't ever be a party leader or a cabinet minister because he flies off the handle so easily.  He has a major anger management problem.

As for Justin Trudeau, the one time he swore in the House was under his breath when he thought the microphone was off, and it was to defend NDP MP Megan Leslie when Peter Kent was being patronizing to her!

Funny. The way you describe Pat Martin (flying off the handle, getting sued for things he said) reminds me a lot of this guy.
Canadians want more sincere politicians who speak their minds. No more BS!

I'd rather have more politicans like this, than some clueless pretty-boy with a silver spoon so far up his rectum, you can actually see it at the back of his throat when he talks! ;-)

Debater

trotwood73 wrote:

I'd rather have more politicans like this, than some clueless pretty-boy with a silver spoon so far up his rectum, you can actually see it at the back of his throat when he talks! ;-)

These sort of comments display a total lack of objectivity, not to mention class.

PrairieDemocrat15

Debater wrote:

Aristotleded24 wrote:

I have to agree with Debater on this one. The NDP machine in Manitoba is not in top shape, and there is a sense that Martin is arrogant and that he takes for granted the riding. Falcon-Ouelette will at least give Martin a strong challenge.

I just hope Falcon-Ouelette doesn't go on about how important it is to Stop Harper given the choice of where he decided to run.

Well, although it's true that the Conservatives aren't a threat in Winnipeg Centre, it is important to have as many Liberal seats as possible in 2015 in order to beat Harper.  Since the NDP cannot beat Harper in Ontario or Nationally, if NDP seats go Liberal, it would give the Liberals a better chance of stopping the Conservatives, even if they aren't a factor in this particular riding.

As for Falcon-Ouellette, I'm not predicting he will necessarily win the seat.  He has to start from fairly far back after the weak Liberal results in in recent elections.  But since the Liberals are ahead of the NDP in Manitoba (eg. yesterday's Ipsos poll) and since Falcon-Ouellette received a lot of positive reaction in the recent Mayoral race, he has the potential to at least finish 2nd if he doesn't win and to build a strong foundation for the future.

Anyway, rather than getting into the usual Liberal vs. NDP arguing on this thread, one thing I think we can all agree on is that this is a young man with a lot of positive qualities and whose values are those that the NDP respects, too.  Mulcair & the NDP had been courting him to run for them, so that shows he's a good candidate!

Nice try, Debater.

If someone is so obsessed with "Stopping Harper," and replacing him with a PM who has the exact same vison and policies as Harper but has a nicer smile and better haircut, it makes sense for people to vote Liberal strategically in ridings that are clear Lib-Con contests.

However, Winnipeg Centre is not one of those ridings. If opposing the Conseravtives is a voter's priority, it is clear electing as many NDP MPs as possible is the way to do this (along with voting Liberal - in ridings where the NDP are weak). The voting record of the parties clearly shows the Liberals side with the Conservatives and support the Harper agenda quite often, so electing an NDP MP where ever possible is clearly the best option for the anti-Harper crowd.

Regardless, it would be pretty shameful and hypocritical for Ouellette to support any kind of strategic voting given he spent the last week of his mayoral campaign opposing strategic voting and imploring his supporters to "vote with your hearts."

terrytowel

Pat Martin runs ahead of the NDP.

He will get re-elected without breaking a sweat

trotwood73

Debater wrote:

trotwood73 wrote:

I'd rather have more politicans like this, than some clueless pretty-boy with a silver spoon so far up his rectum, you can actually see it at the back of his throat when he talks! ;-)

These sort of comments display a total lack of objectivity, not to mention class.

BOUAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH! A comment about objectivity coming from you, that's rich!!!!

As for the comment about class, I am reminded of an expression my wise old grand-mother, God rest her soul, used to say in such circumstances. I'm a little fuzzy on how it starts, but  believe it ends with ".. and the horse you rode in on."  I am certain you've heard it before! Wink

Debater

You seem to only be able to engage in name-calling when it comes to Justin Trudeau, and that doesn't display much analytical ability.

I could call Mulcair names, but I usually stay away from that and focus on his political weaknesses such as his poor campaign results against Trudeau in the last 11 by-elections, rather than focusing on his personal attributes.

Aristotleded24

PrairieDemocrat15 wrote:
If someone is so obsessed with "Stopping Harper," and replacing him with a PM who has the exact same vison and policies as Harper but has a nicer smile and better haircut, it makes sense for people to vote Liberal strategically in ridings that are clear Lib-Con contests.

However, Winnipeg Centre is not one of those ridings. If opposing the Conseravtives is a voter's priority, it is clear electing as many NDP MPs as possible is the way to do this (along with voting Liberal - in ridings where the NDP are weak). The voting record of the parties clearly shows the Liberals side with the Conservatives and support the Harper agenda quite often, so electing an NDP MP where ever possible is clearly the best option for the anti-Harper crowd.

Regardless, it would be pretty shameful and hypocritical for Ouellette to support any kind of strategic voting given he spent the last week of his mayoral campaign opposing strategic voting and imploring his supporters to "vote with your hearts."

Not to mention that even with Liberal nominations in Kildonan, St. Boniface, and Winnipeg South Centre decided, there still wouldn't have been a shortage of Conservative MPs Ouelette could have taken on if he'd wanted to. All he had to to was say the word and any party would have bent over backwards to accomodate him.

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Aristotleded24 wrote:

PrairieDemocrat15 wrote:
If someone is so obsessed with "Stopping Harper," and replacing him with a PM who has the exact same vison and policies as Harper but has a nicer smile and better haircut, it makes sense for people to vote Liberal strategically in ridings that are clear Lib-Con contests.

However, Winnipeg Centre is not one of those ridings. If opposing the Conseravtives is a voter's priority, it is clear electing as many NDP MPs as possible is the way to do this (along with voting Liberal - in ridings where the NDP are weak). The voting record of the parties clearly shows the Liberals side with the Conservatives and support the Harper agenda quite often, so electing an NDP MP where ever possible is clearly the best option for the anti-Harper crowd.

Regardless, it would be pretty shameful and hypocritical for Ouellette to support any kind of strategic voting given he spent the last week of his mayoral campaign opposing strategic voting and imploring his supporters to "vote with your hearts."

Not to mention that even with Liberal nominations in Kildonan, St. Boniface, and Winnipeg South Centre decided, there still wouldn't have been a shortage of Conservative MPs Ouelette could have taken on if he'd wanted to. All he had to to was say the word and any party would have bent over backwards to accomodate him.

Really? Where else could ha have run. Rebbecca Blaikie said in the media that the NDP had only offered him St. B, which, lets face it, will not be won by the NDP, even with a good candidate like RFO.

RFO did best in the municipal election in polls that are part of Martin's riding, its not surprsing he would want to run there. However, I'm pretty sure he did not even win that area of the city. I haven't canculated all the returns, but I would bet he still came in third there.

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Yes, that's a valid point, PrairieDemocrat.  Why was the NDP only willing to let R-FO run in Saint Boniface?  A riding with no strong NDP history where even in a good year like 2011 the NDP finished 3rd.  He would have been a good candidate for the NDP in Winnipeg North, for example.  A potentially winnable riding.  Why not let him run there?  Or has Blaikie reserved that riding for someone else, or maybe even herself again?

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PrairieDemocrat15 wrote:
Where else could ha have run. Rebbecca Blaikie said in the media that the NDP had only offered him St. B, which, lets face it, will not be won by the NDP, even with a good candidate like RFO.

Assuming Blaikie's remarks are correct, then it is one more demonstration of the sorry state of the NDP in Manitoba. The only non-incumbent NDP candidate chosen so far is Daniel Blaikie, so it's not like the NDP is in a position to turn down other candidates. Falcon-Ouelette may not have won St. B, but he has star power and respect beyond the vote total he received, and he would have been an asset to the NDP anywhere he ran. Do you think Mulcair would turn down a chance to campaign with him during the federal election?

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