Federal NDP Candidates 2015

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Stockholm

I wonder who would run for the NDP nomination in Vancouver East. What about Patti Bacchus? She was a very popular vancouver School Board chair and topped the polls in the recent elections, but losty her position as chair thanks to an "unholy alliance" between the lone Green party trustee and the 4 rabidly rightwing NPA trustees. She may be looking for greener (as in the colour) pastures!

Debater

It's not a huge surprise that Libby is retiring.  It's been speculated that she doesn't enjoy serving under Mulcair and I saw it speculated here on Babble a couple of years ago that Libby might not run again in 2015.  She has made an impact in Parliament as one of the most conscientious & caring MP's there is and has always had a good heart and advocated on behalf of her constituents in Vancouver East.

Interestingly, Vancouver East is apparently the riding where Jodie Emery wants to run for the Liberals.  With Libby retiring this might give her the opportunity to improve her score.  She wouldn't have had much of an opening campaigning against Libby.

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Libby Davies, NDP deputy leader, won't run in 2015

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/libby-davies-ndp-deputy-leader-won-t-run...

Stockholm

There is ZERO chance that even someone as dumb as Justin Trudeau would allow a loose cannon like Jodi Emery anywhere near a Liberal nomination. Apparently he wants to run some billionaire industrialists daughter 

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Yep. Let's hope Jodi wins the nomination, though. That would be a beautiful thing.

ctrl190

Terrible to see both Libby Davies and Chris Charlton going. Both were incredibly intelligent, grassroots-oriented MPs who were always so well-versed in their porfolios. 

Adam T

Stockholm wrote:

I wonder who would run for the NDP nomination in Vancouver East. What about Patti Bacchus? She was a very popular vancouver School Board chair and topped the polls in the recent elections, but losty her position as chair thanks to an "unholy alliance" between the lone Green party trustee and the 4 rabidly rightwing NPA trustees. She may be looking for greener (as in the colour) pastures!

Even though Libby Davies retiring is obviously a new thing. I don't think it would go over so well to have somebody just reelected leave office to run for something else.  Not that it hasn't been done before but I think the public is increasingly annoyed by it.  I could see any of the (narrowly) defeated Vision Vancouver Parks Board Comissioners or School Trustees run though, especially if they live in Vancouver East.  Trevor Loke or Ken Clement would both be excellent candidates.

Adam T

Stockholm wrote:

There is ZERO chance that even someone as dumb as Justin Trudeau would allow a loose cannon like Jodi Emery anywhere near a Liberal nomination. Apparently he wants to run some billionaire industrialists daughter 

 

The two announced Liberal candidates for nomination in Vancouver East, Jodie Emery and Richard Jaques are both damaged goods.  Jaques is a former police officer who was reprimanded twice and Emery is a both a former provincial Green Party nominee and allegedly an Ayn Rand devotee. Anybody who takes Ayn Rand seriously is clearly too stupid to be involved in anything.

Rokossovsky

The problem for the NDP in this case is much broader than simply losing a candidate, because the NDP election strategy depends not on the profile of a single leadership candidate, but a broader team based on regional leaders. Moreover Davies represents the "left" wing of the party, and so represents a specific constituency in the party.

Rokossovsky

Did I say something wrong?

Adam T

Snark: I wonder if former Vancouver East area (and former Vancouver East constituency) MLA Glen Clark is interested.

Debater

Stockholm wrote:

There is ZERO chance that even someone as dumb as Justin Trudeau would allow a loose cannon like Jodi Emery anywhere near a Liberal nomination. Apparently he wants to run some billionaire industrialists daughter 

Justin Trudeau is not stupid - it's because the NDP keeps underestimating him that he's been beating Mulcair so handily for the past 2 years.  He is very smart at politics in many ways.  He's not an intellectual or a constitutional law professor, but that doesn't make him stupid.  It's that type of snobbery that got Ignatieff into trouble, and that is also hurting Mulcair.

Debater

Catchfire wrote:

Yep. Let's hope Jodi wins the nomination, though. That would be a beautiful thing.

Are you not supportive of the issue of marijuana legalization?  I would have thought people here would be supportive of Jodie Emery.

And do you know what, Libby Davies just said at her Live Press Conference that she's a supporter of Jodie & Marc Emery!

So there you go.  Even Libby says Jodie Emery is someone with a noble cause. Smile

Adam T

Jodie Emery was a supporter of Libby Davies as well.

Debater

Yes, that's what I'm getting at.  Jodie Emery has many progressive qualities.  So I don't get why some here are putting her down.  The only people that have a real problem with Jodie Emery are conservatives.

Stockholm

Jodie Emery will be barred from running for the Liberal nomination. You heard it here.

Debater

Rokossovsky wrote:

The problem for the NDP in this case is much broader than simply losing a candidate, because the NDP election strategy depends not on the profile of a single leadership candidate, but a broader team based on regional leaders. Moreover Davies represents the "left" wing of the party, and so represents a specific constituency in the party.

You are right.  One of the few times I agree with you on something. Wink

Libby Davies was the heart & soul of the left-wing of the NDP.

She came from the British Labour tradition of being focused on the concerns of the poor & the disadvantaged, rather than the Tony Blair/Tom Mulcair "Third Way" doctrine.

http://www.macleans.ca/uncategorized/veteran-ndp-mp-libby-davies-bows-ou...

Stockholm

Adam T wrote:

Even though Libby Davies retiring is obviously a new thing. I don't think it would go over so well to have somebody just reelected leave office to run for something else.  

What's also a new thing is the Green Party joining forces with the reactionary NPA to remove a progressive like Patti Bacchus as school board cair. Who would have seen that coming?

Municipal and school board politicians are not obliged to nor do they typically resign to run federally or provincially. If Bacchus wanted to run for the NDP nomination she wouldn't have to resign from the school board until after she won the nomination AND won the election and was sworn in as MP (in other words about a year from now)

Stockholm

Debater wrote:

She came from the British Labour tradition 

FYI, Libby davies is actually originally from New Zealand not the UK - hence her "mid-Pacific" accent

Adam T

Stockholm wrote:

Jodie Emery will be barred from running for the Liberal nomination. You heard it here.

 

She has already been green lit.

Regarding Patti Bachus. Municipal office terms have just been increased in B.C from 3 to 4 years. Leaving office 1 year into a 4 year term for another office likely wont go over well.

I wonder if Constance Barnes wishes Libby Davies had announced her retirement before she won the Vancouver Centre nomination.  Im sure Barnes would have much preferred to have run in Vancouver East.

 

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

If the Liberals decided to hike national minimum wage to $20/h,people here would find some way to belittle not only the promise but minimum wage in general simply because it's all about hating the Liberals while they echo conservative narrative and talking points and give the CPC a free ride.

However,I don't see Emery as running for the Liberals. She has a better shot with the NDP.And if and when she runs for the NDP watch the attitude do an about face on both Emery and the issue.

Marijuana legalization equals jobs,new business,new revenue and would eliminate wasted spending to the tune of tens of millions of dollars.

It's an idea that is long overdue and the fact that the NDP are centrist (at best) on this issue,maybe this is one of the reasons Libby Davies is leaving the NDP.

 

Stockholm

I saw Emery being interviewed on Sun News yesterday and it was still an open question whether she would be "green lit"...and even if she is green lit you can be sure that Trudeau will put maximum pressure on her to quit and make way for one his millionaire friends to run.

Adam T

Libby Davies is coming up on cknw right now

www.cknw.com

Also Justin Trudeau was on the CBC Vancouver Early Edition earlier today.

Debater

Stockholm wrote:

I saw Emery being interviewed on Sun News yesterday and it was still an open question whether she would be "green lit"...and even if she is green lit you can be sure that Trudeau will put maximum pressure on her to quit and make way for one his millionaire friends to run.

Stockholm, I doubt a 'millionaire friend' of Trudeau's is going to be running in Vancouver East.  That wouldn't be the right type of candidate for the constituency, and the history of the riding still favours the NDP even without Libby Davies running again.

It's not as if the Liberals are guaranteed to elect someone there just because Libby isn't running again.  They still have a lot of ground to make up.

terrytowel

Really upset to hear about Libby Davies, cause she is FABULOUS.

Who will be the champion now for InSite and for legalizing sex work?

Debater

Stockholm wrote:

Debater wrote:

She came from the British Labour tradition 

FYI, Libby davies is actually originally from New Zealand not the UK - hence her "mid-Pacific" accent

Really?  I didn't know that Libby was originally from New Zealand.  I don't think Libby knew that, either.

Apparently Libby thinks she was born in England in 1953.  Please let her know so that she can correct her website:

Born in 1953 in England, Libby came to Canada in 1968. She moved to Vancouver in 1969 

http://www.libbydavies.ca/about-libby-davies-mp-vancouver-east#.VIuBKSimMls

terrytowel

The only way the Liberals could still Vancouver East from the NDP is to have Jodie Emery run as the candidate.

Stockholm

The core Liberal vote (such that it exists) in Vancouver East is from the Chinese community and they would (to put it mildly) be very unenthusiastic about supporting a single issue pro-marijuana candidate. 

Stockholm

I don't know where i read that Libby had some connection to New Zealand - oh well i stand corrected.

Apparently the daughetr of wealthy industrialist Arthur Griffiths is being groomed to be parachuted in as the Liberal candidate in Vancouver East. Jodie Emery will be "Christine Innesed"

Brachina

terrytowel wrote:

Really upset to hear about Libby Davies, cause she is FABULOUS.

Who will be the champion now for InSite and for legalizing sex work?

 

 Maybe they'll pick a sex worker to run? Or at least a sex worker advocate.

Brachina

 Holy fuck is this getting insane even by Liberal standards, how corrupt can that party get, its one thing for a leader to well lead, but Trudeau is treating the Liberal Party as his own personal club. Or cult.

terrytowel

If the Libs don't choose Jodie Emery, they will lose Vancouver East to the NDP.

The Libs have tried to capitalize on their Chinese vote numerous times with several Asian Canadian cxandidates. All to knock off Libby, but to no avail.

The only way to win this riding is to go after Libby's coalition she has built up. Jodie Emery would be the only one that could swing that coalition to their side.

If not, the Libs might as well drop a place holder in Vancouver East, because they will not beat the NDP no matter who they nominate.

The only person who even has a chance of winning that riding is Jodie Emery. If they reject her, then they only have themselves to blame for losing that riding.

BTW at the press conference today Libby waas asked about Jodie Emery and she said she is a big supporter of both Jodie & Marc Emery.

That being said she says she will not endorse anyone for Vancouver East, but is confident that the NDP will retain the seat in 2015.

Stockholm

IMHO, the Liberals know that Emery might be a good candidate for Vancouver East but would be a huge liability in the country as a whole. Its one thing to support marijuana legalization but another to run a candidate who is a sinhgle issue Dana Larsen-style pot advocate. It would be gold to the Conservatives who would have a field day digging up stuff from Emery's record and statements and tar the whole Liberal party and Trudeau. I think the Liberals feel they have done enough on marijuana and now want to get away from the image of being "the marijuana party"

terrytowel

Stockholm wrote:

IMHO, the Liberals know that Emery might be a good candidate for Vancouver East but would be a huge liability in the country as a whole. Its one thing to support marijuana legalization but another to run a candidate who is a sinhgle issue Dana Larsen-style pot advocate. It would be gold to the Conservatives who would have a field day digging up stuff from Emery's record and statements and tar the whole Liberal party and Trudeau. I think the Liberals feel they have done enough on marijuana and now want to get away from the image of being "the marijuana party"

Stock you also saw her interview on Sun News. She was asked about being a single issue candidate. She said many people run for government on an issue they care about. Why should she be any different?

besides she also said she and Libby share the same idealogy on the issues from homelessness to InSite to sex workers to poverty.

The Cons can dig all they want in Jodie Emery record, but from what I've seen from past interviews she is very well spoken on the issues and has no skeltons. Nothing that can be used against her.

Now if we are talking about Marc Emery background, the spouses of candidates are usually off-limits by Canadian standards.

Unfortunately for us, the Cons never play by Canuk standards. Only US tea-party style attacks.

If the Libs reject Jodie, then this will be an easy pick-up for the NDP.

Stockholm

terrytowel wrote:

Now if we are talking about Marc Emery background, the spouses of candidates are usually off-limits by Canadian standards.

Spouses of candidates are not "off limits" when the spouse is a public figure in their own right and when a large part of the candidate's fame comes from advocating on behalf of their spouse etc... Of course Emery will try to claim she is not just a one issue candidate - but she would be tarred and feathered regardless.

BTW: I wonder if she agrees with the Liberal party policy of enthusiastic support for building the Keystone XL pipeline and for expanding the Kinder Morgan pipleline into Vancouver

Debater

terrytowel wrote:

If the Libs reject Jodie, then this will be an easy pick-up for the NDP.

It would be a hold for the NDP, not a pick-up.  But I get what you mean.

I sent a suggestion to Gerald Butts earlier today that Jodie Emery be allowed to be Green Lit, but whether or not he's open to feedback from people such as myself, I don't know.  I am the Policy Chair for my riding and I've talked with Butts in the past, but he can be difficult to read.

Stockholm

Here is what Marc Emery has posted on facebook

"The contest for the Liberal nomination in Vancouver East features Jodie Emery, who has an extensive and nearly flawless political and public profile over several years; a former RCMP officer, Richard Jaques, with several damning reprimands in his record and has never expressed a political opinion in any media; Chinese-Canadian lawyer Edward Wong who, when googled, has never expressed a political opinion or been involved in any political activity in his entire life; and Team Trudeau's choice for the nomination, Joanne Griffiths, an extraordinarily wealthy scion of Arthur Griffiths (former Canucks owner), whose entire life has been giving away money and has never had to struggle a day in her life, nor has she ever expressed a political opinion in the media. Now, of these four, which one is most likely to bring appropriate political representation to the citizens of Vancouver East? Which one can best compete against the very popular MP Libby Davies in one of Canada's most working class ridings? Which one has paid her dues in the political trenches to deserve a nomination? Jaques, Wong, Griffiths are all political dilettantes with absolutely no credibility seeking a nomination, but curiously, Jodie has been the only one being stone-walled by Liberal Party brass."

terrytowel

Stockholm wrote:

terrytowel wrote:

Now if we are talking about Marc Emery background, the spouses of candidates are usually off-limits by Canadian standards.

Spouses of candidates are not "off limits" when the spouse is a public figure in their own right and when a large part of the candidate's fame comes from advocating on behalf of their spouse etc... Of course Emery will try to claim she is not just a one issue candidate - but she would be tarred and feathered regardless.

Please name an example where failings of a candidate spouse was used to attack their campaign

I can name two MP who were single issue candidates.

Joy Smith ran on a single issue against human trafficking

Chuck Cadman ran on a single issue of the victims' rights

But these points are moot, If the Libs deny Jodie the nomination, the NDP will win this riding hands down. Safest NDP seat in the country.

Stockholm

terrytowel wrote:

I can name two MP who were single issue candidates.

Joy Smith ran on a single issue against human trafficking

Chuck Cadman ran on a single issue of the victims' rights

Those are single issues that are also "motherhood issues" - who exactly is in favour of human trafficking? who is against victims rights? NO ONE. Marijuana legalization is more controversial 

terrytowel

Like I said the Libs will only have themselves to blame by not nominating Jodie.

They might as well put in a place holder in Vancouver East, because they will NOT win that riding.

Only Jodie would have made Vancouver East competitive.

terrytowel

Stockholm wrote:

terrytowel wrote:

I can name two MP who were single issue candidates.

Joy Smith ran on a single issue against human trafficking

Chuck Cadman ran on a single issue of the victims' rights

Those are single issues that are also "motherhood issues" - who exactly is in favour of human trafficking? who is against victims rights? NO ONE. Marijuana legalization is more controversial 

Have you read the polls lately? Anyways let's cease this conversation because this is an NDP thread not Libs thread.

Debater

ctrl190 wrote:

Terrible to see both Libby Davies and Chris Charlton going. Both were incredibly intelligent, grassroots-oriented MPs who were always so well-versed in their porfolios. 

Jean Crowder, as well.  Another MP with a lot of integrity.

sherpa-finn

Question to Debater:  Could you give an example of a good NDP MP?

Answer: One who has resigned.

Adam T

For what its worth, Arthur Griffiths actually isnt all that wealthy.  He spent a lot of money to build Rogers Arena.

terrytowel

sherpa-finn wrote:

Question to Debater:  Could you give an example of a good NDP MP?

Answer: One who has resigned.

I couldn't agree more.

Adam T

I.Jodie Emery got 11% of the vote for the Green Party in Vancouver-West End in the 2013 Provincial election. Hardly a 'star' candidate.

2.Vancouver East has been competitive between the NDP and the Liberals whenever the Liberals do well nationally (except when Libby Davies made it her own in the 2000s.)

I would expect at least 1 or 2 more Liberal candidates for the nomination will step forward now that it is an open riding.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vancouver_East

Stockholm

sherpa-finn wrote:

Question to Debater:  Could you give an example of a good NDP MP?

Answer: One who has resigned.

 

I have variation on that applicable to any Liberal

Question to Liberal:  Could you give an example of a good NDP leader?

Answer: One who is dead or who lost the party official party status.

 

 

sherpa-finn

AdamT: For what its worth, Arthur Griffiths actually isnt all that wealthy.  He spent a lot of money to build Rogers Arena.

Well, duuh. From the archives of "The only thing worse than a bloodsucking capitalist is a failed bloodsucking capitalist".

Former Canucks owner Arthur Griffiths tries to avoid declaring bankruptcy One-time sports mogul owes more than $2 million

http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Former+Canucks+owner+Arthur+Griffiths+tries+avoid+declaring+bankruptcy/9812791/story.html

Arthur Robert Griffiths, the former owner of the Vancouver Canucks, has filed for creditor protection in an attempt to reach a settlement with creditors and get out of debt without declaring bankruptcy. According to documents filed Monday with the Office of the Superintendent of Bankruptcy Canada, Griffiths, the former local sports mogul and scion of a famed B.C. business family, has liabilities of $2,092,577 and total assets of $36,970.

On Tuesday, Griffiths told The Province that his current situation was largely the result of bad business deals. “It’s mostly associated with a company I was involved with,” Griffiths said. “The directors of that company left me holding the bag, and they left the country...”

terrytowel

Adam T wrote:

I.Jodie Emery got 11% of the vote for the Green Party in Vancouver-West End in the 2013 Provincial election. Hardly a 'star' candidate.

yes but we are talking about the Liberal machine that would be behind her. What type of big machine does the Green party have?

Adam T wrote:

2.Vancouver East has been competitive between the NDP and the Liberals whenever the Liberals do well nationally (except when Libby Davies made it her own in the 2000s.)

As I said before the Libs have recruited some big name Asian Canadians to try and knock Libby off. To no avail.

Vancouver East is the safest NDP seat in the country. That being said the only person who can steal this for the Libs is Jodie Emery.

Adam T

sherpa-finn wrote:

AdamT: For what its worth, Arthur Griffiths actually isnt all that wealthy.  He spent a lot of money to build Rogers Arena.

Well, duuh. From the archives of "The only thing worse than a bloodsucking capitalist is a failed bloodsucking capitalist".

Former Canucks owner Arthur Griffiths tries to avoid declaring bankruptcy One-time sports mogul owes more than $2 million

http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Former+Canucks+owner+Arthur+Griffiths+tries+avoid+declaring+bankruptcy/9812791/story.html

Arthur Griffiths is an honest and decent person.  There is absolutely no need to make classless comments about him here.

Stockholm

 

Adam T wrote:

2.Vancouver East has been competitive between the NDP and the Liberals whenever the Liberals do well nationally (except when Libby Davies made it her own in the 2000s.)

Not quite true. Vancouver East went easily NDP even during the Trudeaumania sweep of 1968 and also went easily NDP when Trudeau won his majority in 1980 and also in the face of big Liberal wins in 1997 and 2000 and 2004. The CCF-NDP has only ever lost Vancouver twice in 80 years and in both cases (1974 and 1993) it was in the context of a backlash against an unpopular NDP provincial government. Since there is no Premier Dix right now - that ingredient is missing. 

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