Justin Trudeau: Is he actually going to be a drag on the Liberal 2015 election chances?

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NorthReport

As has frequently been stated there is not much difference between Canada's two tight-wing parties, the Liberals and the Conservatives.

Is Trudeau as controlling as Harper?

http://www.ctvnews.ca/ctv-news-channel/power-play-with-don-martin/don-ma...

NorthReport

As Trudeau and the Liberal fortunes continue to sink in the polls, are you really as stupid as you sound here?

With your baiting comments you are coming across as very bad losers. 

 

Pondering wrote:

 

N.R. you give the impression of being a strong Harper supporter because you take so much delight in his doing well.

 

Adam T wrote: 

Ezra is a known Harper supporter.

 

 

Unionist

DLivings wrote:

MegB wrote:

bagkitty wrote:

@unionist.... I thought he was born in a manger in Judea... and that he will demonstrate his waterwalking abilities in the forthcoming election.

Damn, I wish there were a "like" button.

me too!

me too!

jjuares

Unionist wrote:

DLivings wrote:

MegB wrote:

bagkitty wrote:

@unionist.... I thought he was born in a manger in Judea... and that he will demonstrate his waterwalking abilities in the forthcoming election.

Damn, I wish there were a "like" button.

me too!

me too!

He was born on Dec. 25. That has to be a divine sign.

NorthReport

More bad news here for Trudeau.

The Trudeau Liberal's problems are starting to snowball, and just before the next election. 

Pro-life Liberal candidate won’t rule out voting on abortion law

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/5158283-pro-life-liberal-candidate-won...

 

"A Liberal is a Conservative who pretends to be a New Democrat before every election." : Tom Mulcair

 

NorthReport

It's quite obvious Trudeau unfortunately has mishandled this situation by going public about the female NDP MPs.

And the lack of support and compassion for these female NDPs here and elsewhere is quite telling.

"A Liberal is a Conservative who pretends to be a New Democrat before every election." : Tom Mulcair

"A Liberal is also a liar who pretends to tell the truth before, during and after every election." : NDP Supporter

 

 

NorthReport

Most of the time Trudeau keeps them really well hidden, but is Trudeau now starting to show his true colours? 

 

First Trudeau says Liberal candidates have to be pro-choice and then voila a Liberal candidate says she is not pro-choice.

Pro-life Liberal candidate won’t rule out voting on abortion law

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/5158283-pro-life-liberal-candidate-won...

 

Then a female NDP MP approaches Trudeau in confidence about being sexually harassed and Trudeau goes public with it, and now she is being revictimized.

NDP MP regrets telling Trudeau about harassment allegations

http://globalnews.ca/news/1696427/ndp-mp-regrets-telling-trudeau-about-h...

 

Now

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A B.C. businessman and philanthropist Barjinder Singh Dhahan has pulled out of the Vancouver South Liberal nomination battle in a move that has raised questions about leader Justin Trudeau’s vow to hold open contests to run in the 2015 election.

Businessman pulls out of Liberal nomination battle in Vancouver South 

Barjinder Singh Dhahan’s decision raises questions about favouritism as Lt.-Col. Harjit Singh Sajjan will be acclaimed

Businessman pulls out of Liberal nomination battle in Vancouver South Businessman and philanthropist Barjinder Singh Dhahan has pulled out of the Vancouver South Liberal nomination battle in a move that has raised questions about leader Justin Trudeau’s vow to hold open contests to run in the 2015 election. File photo.Photograph by: Jenelle Schneider , Vancouver Sun

http://www.vancouversun.com/Businessman+pulls+Liberal+nomination+battle+... 

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"A Liberal is a Conservative who pretends to be a New Democrat before every election." : Tom Mulcair

"A Liberal is also a liar who pretends to tell the truth before, during and after every election." : NDP Supporter

 

NorthReport

So which Liberal is lyin' here? 

Trudeau or Tassi? 

Just askin'.

Justin Trudeau says Filomena Tassi agreed to vote pro-choice if elected in 2015Candidate who is a Catholic school chaplain described herself as 'pro-life' in media report

- cbc

"A Liberal is a Conservative who pretends to be a New Democrat before every election." : Tom Mulcair

"A Liberal is a liar who pretends to tell the truth before, during and after every election." : A Canadian Voter

 

Pierre C yr

Trudeau clearly ignored the desire of the MP for confidentiality.  He made a publicity stunt out of it and started a media circus that may last for weeks or months longer that has hindered what would have progressed as a confidential investigation and treatment for the issue. Would be nice for her to state her full conversation with him and what he has to say about it. Id have a hard time asking for privacy and not ask him to promise over it.

Its hilarious to see the libs blame the NDP for any liberal weakness. Libs are their own worst enemies. If they shed support to the greens and tories its their doing alone.

 

NorthReport

I believe Trudeau in some ways meant well, and was concerned about the female MPs well being. At least I would like to think so.

Trudeau's concern for the Liberal party however, overtook his concerns for the women involved, Trudeau was probably panicking, and that is why Trudeau went public, instead of privately approaching and discussing with Mulcair what would be the best approach to undertake.

Which has turned out to be rather unfortunate.

 

NorthReport

With Mulcair proposing child-care, higher minimum wages, and Trudeau proposing lower corporate taxes, Trudeau sounds just like our family-man Harper, doesn't he!

babies

Top Grit sees self as defender of families

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/top-grit-sees-self-as-defender-of...

NorthReport

It's obvious now that Trudeau's choice of pro-life Liberal candidate Filomena Tassi is backfiring on him and causing him grief.

 

terrytowel

NorthReport wrote:

It's obvious now that Trudeau's choice of pro-life Liberal candidate Filomena Tassi is backfiring on him and causing him grief.

Lost in this noise is the fact that former MP Borys Wrzesnewskyj was green-lit to run again in Etobicoke Center, even though he identifies as pro-life.

Video below of Sun News Faith Goldy chasing after Justin Trudeau in a hotel lobby to get him to comment on Filomena Tassi

http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featured/straight-talk-and-hard-news/...

sherpa-finn

I believe Trudeau has been relatively clear and consistent in his position on this issue: the party (He) is not concerned about what Liberal candidates actually think on the issue (i.e, its not a question of values, ideology, personal or political beliefs). It is simply required that MPs vote a certain way.

That's pretty much how I would have defined a Liberal from the get-go, so I don't see what the big kerfuffle is all about.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/trudeau-says-all-liberals-mp-will-have-to-vote-pro-choice/article19218815/

Brachina

 I hope that is a photoshopped photo, otherwise it confirms my belief that Trudeau does belong in the circus.

Pondering

Brachina wrote:

 I hope that is a photoshopped photo, otherwise it confirms my belief that Trudeau does belong in the circus.

No it's real. Trudeau can get babies to balance on top of each other. He is that special.

NorthReport

Herre is some breaking news  which could spell more trouble for Trudeau:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/gill-rosenberg-canadian-citizen-reportedly...

 

 

Skinny Dipper

NorthReport wrote:

 

"A Liberal is a Conservative who pretends to be a New Democrat before every election." : Tom Mulcair

"A Liberal is a liar who pretends to tell the truth before, during and after every election." : A Canadian Voter

 

Years ago when I observed the MuchMusic VJ's moving around the room randomly, I originally thought that they moved randomly at their own choosing.  The reality was the the VJ's were told by the floor directors where to stand.  They were in the same set of positions practically every day.

When I look at Justin Trudeau, he looks like a cool VJ who randomly chooses where he goes on the floor.  In reality, his thoughts and movements are highly scripted so that he appears random and cool.

If Justin Trudeau becomes the next prime minister, his appearance in front of the camera and the crowds will seem casual and unscripted.  However, he will likely run a highly scripted government like Harper does now.  Trudeau's policies will be like Harpers.  The only different will that pipelines will become cool under Trudeau.  Cuts to the CBC will become cool.  Why? It's because Trudeau is cool!

When I see Facebook sites like CRUSH and Leadnow promoting strategic voting, they are telling voters to choose the party most likely to beat Harper.  It ain't the NDP in their opinion.  It's the new Conservative Party of Justin Trudeau.  Just don't call Justin "a Conservative."  Shh! He's pretending to be a Liberal.

nicky
David Young

The Emperor's son truly has no clothes!

 

bekayne
NorthReport

Going public when it is female NDP members raising complaints about harassment, but keeping it quiet when it is female Liberals making complaints.

It is troubling to see Trudeau playing politics with women being harassed as Jan has recently pointed out in the Federal election thread.

 

NorthReport

Most read article at National Newswatch.

Makes one wonder, if not before, surely by now, what kind of calibre of politicians are the Liberals presenting for election to become an MP in the House of Commons.

Who can forget Liberal MP David "I am entitled to my entitlements, and if that includes severance, so be it" Dingwall.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Dingwall

Just pigs at the trough.

Liberal MP reprimanded for inappropriate behaviour before recent NDP harassment allegations

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/11/28/liberal-mp-reprimanded-for-inapp...

KenS

Is JT going to be a drag on Liberal chances in 2015 ?

Are you serious ?

As if maybe somehow they would be better off without him ?

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

KenS wrote:

Is JT going to be a drag on Liberal chances in 2015 ?

Are you serious ?

As if maybe somehow they would be better off without him ?

Thanks, Ken, for stating the obvious. Without Trudeau, the Liberals were headed to oblivion. With him, they may just get to relive their glory days as the Natural Governing Party of Canada.

Pondering

NorthReport wrote:

Most read article at National Newswatch.

Makes one wonder, if not before, surely by now, what kind of calibre of politicians are the Liberals presenting for election to become ....

Liberal MP reprimanded for inappropriate behaviour before recent NDP harassment allegations

">http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/11/28/liberal-mp-reprimanded-for-inapp...

You want to talk about competence?

http://www.cambridgetimes.ca/news-story/5146774-mulcair-defends-silence-...

Trudeau agreed Wednesday that the women should not face "undue pressure" to participate in a confidential, third-party investigation into the alleged misconduct, as offered by Andrew Scheer, Speaker of the House of Commons.

Nevertheless, he said he wants to give them a few days to reflect on the Speaker's offer before deciding how to proceed with his two suspended MPs, who've been left in limbo.

"It is our hope that the Speaker's process will be picked up but we are also looking at other alternatives for this," Trudeau said.

If the women continue to balk, Liberal insiders say one option would be to have a neutral third party investigate the allegations, using details from notes taken by a Liberal staffer during the whips' meetings with the alleged victims.

Trudeau acknowledged it would not be "ideal" to proceed without the participation of the complainants. But so far, there's been no indication that they will.

Mulcair said he doesn't know if the women might take up the Speaker's offer because he hasn't spoken to them about it. 

This came out November 5th, November 19th and he is still not keeping up to date on the file? The following is from Nov. 26th.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2014/11/26/ndp_now_embraces_probe_of_...

Mulcair said he remains unclear on what exactly Scheer meant when he wrote about “external experts.”

“We’re still trying to figure out what that’s supposed to refer to,” Mulcair told reporters after the NDP’s weekly caucus meeting.

NDP whip Nycole Turmel wrote to Scheer Monday asking for more clarity.

But it took him a week to ask for more clarity? Moving on to your link from Nov. 28th.  

Since the two female NDP MPs have thus far refused to take part in an investigation initiated by the Speaker’s office, the Liberals are set to proceed with their own internal disciplinary inquiry.

It is understood that the party has whittled a list of lawyers down to two names, one of whom will be charged with conducting the investigation. The two NDP MPs are unlikely to testify in the Liberal inquiry, but the party says it has extensive notes taken during a meeting they attended with Ms. Foote and the NDP whip, Nycole Turmel.

The Liberals blame the NDP for dragging out the investigation process, allowing the Harper government a free pass on topics the Liberals think they are vulnerable such as Veterans Affairs funding and the income-splitting proposal.

The NDP has done nothing but complain to the media on this issue. They abdicated all responsibility leaving it completely up to the Liberals to act. While the NDP vacillated the Liberals have been setting up their own process. 

NorthReport

More Liberal sleeze. When will it ever end, eh!

All all Liberals cheats and liars, or is it just 99% of them?

Campaign worker says he received personal payment for work on Bertschi leadership bid

http://www.canada.com/news/Campaign+worker+says+received+personal+paymen...

Pondering

NorthReport wrote:

More Liberal sleeze. When will it ever end, eh!

All all Liberals cheats and liars, or is it just 99% of them?

Campaign worker says he received personal payment for work on Bertschi leadership bid

http://www.canada.com/news/Campaign+worker+says+received+personal+paymen...

Do you read anything besides the headlines?

Bertschi is currently appealing the Liberal Party of Canada’s decision to revoke his eligibility to seek the party nomination in the riding of Ottawa-Orléans, in part because of debts incurred during his bid for the party’s top job. With Bertschi blocked, Lt.-Gen. (ret’d) Andrew Leslie, an adviser to leader Justin Trudeau, is favoured to win the nomination vote at a meeting Saturday.

The Liberal Party’s Permanent Appeals Committee has yet to rule on Bertschi’s appeal.

I recall all the upset over the Liberals blocking him from running again. Seems the Liberals made the right choice.

jjuares

NorthReport wrote:

More Liberal sleeze. When will it ever end, eh!

All all Liberals cheats and liars, or is it just 99% of them?

Campaign worker says he received personal payment for work on Bertschi leadership bid

http://www.canada.com/news/Campaign+worker+says+received+personal+paymen...


This case has been around for awhile. It was probably leaked by the Liberals themselves so that they can make him go away and Justin can get his hand picked candidate.

NorthReport

Trudeau must be grandstanding here if we were to listen to Pondering, his biggest fan here at rabble.

Justin Trudeau: Allegations against Scott Andrews won't be brushed aside

MPs Scott Andrews and Massimo Pacetti at centre of probe

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/justin-trudeau-alleg...

Pondering

NorthReport wrote:

Trudeau must be grandstanding here if we were to listen to Pondering, his biggest fan here at rabble.

Justin Trudeau: Allegations against Scott Andrews won't be brushed aside

MPs Scott Andrews and Massimo Pacetti at centre of probe

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/justin-trudeau-alleg...

No, he was responding to a question in an interview about actions he is actually in a position to take.  Grandstanding is presenting a motion you know will fail. It wasn't even effective as this is very low on voter's priority list if they even know about it.

Fortunately Trudeau saw that no one was prepared to take any responsibility so he made contingency plans.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/hill-harassment-cynthia-petersen-to-lead...

The federal Liberals have retained human rights lawyer Cynthia Petersen to investigate harassment allegations made against MPs Scott Andrews and Massimo Pacetti.

Petersen is to present a fact-finding report to Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau to assist him in determining whether Andrews and Pacetti can return to the Liberal caucus and run for the party in 2015.

NorthReport

Too bad Trudeau didn't deal with the original complaint against Liberal MP Scott Andrews. But then of course it was another Liberal making the complaint so it was sweeep under the carpet, and keep out of sight. Now that it's NDP MPs involved Trudeau wants to grandstand.

Trudeau Dodges Questions about Scott Andrews Investigation

 

Pondering

NorthReport wrote:

Too bad Trudeau didn't deal with the original complaint against Liberal MP Scott Andrews. But then of course it was another Liberal making the complaint so it was sweeep under the carpet, and keep out of sight. Now that it's NDP MPs involved Trudeau wants to grandstand.

Trudeau Dodges Questions about Scott Andrews Investigation

There is no reference in the article you linked to about prior complaints and if there was a previous complaint you have no idea how it was or wasn't dealt with nor how severe the incident was and it's not Trudeau that has been giving interviews all month.

Rokossovsky

Here let me help:

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A senior Liberal official said he couldn’t confirm that Mr. Andrews had faced previous allegations of misconduct “[but] I won’t deny it.”

The Liberal staffer has since come forward to lodge a complaint, which will form part of the party’s arm’s-length investigation into the affair by a lawyer or judge.

Liberal MP reprimanded for inappropriate behaviour before recent NDP harassment allegations

Zero tolerance for sexual harassment is obviously only of interest to Trudeau when the cat might get out of the bag.

Pondering

Rokossovsky wrote:

Here let me help:

Quote:
A senior Liberal official said he couldn’t confirm that Mr. Andrews had faced previous allegations of misconduct “[but] I won’t deny it.”

The Liberal staffer has since come forward to lodge a complaint, which will form part of the party’s arm’s-length investigation into the affair by a lawyer or judge.

Liberal MP reprimanded for inappropriate behaviour before recent NDP harassment allegations

Zero tolerance for sexual harassment is obviously only of interest to Trudeau when the cat might get out of the bag.

Refusing to confirm or deny from an unnamed source is not confirmation from the Liberal party even if the unnamed source is referred to as a senior Liberal official, meaning not a politician.

Do you have a quote from somewhere of Trudeau claiming zero tolerance for harassment and what was the response to the previous complaint you are referring to? The Liberals have never even confirmed it was sexual harassment as far as I know nevermind the severity.

NorthReport

I hardly think Canadians want this gang of thugs replacing the Conservative government in the next election.

Police intervene after fight breaks out at meeting to nominate Andrew Leslie as Liberal MP candidate

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/12/07/police-break-up-noisy-scuffle-at...

Pondering

NorthReport wrote:

I hardly think Canadians want this gang of thugs replacing the Conservative government in the next election.

Police intervene after fight breaks out at meeting to nominate Andrew Leslie as Liberal MP candidate

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/12/07/police-break-up-noisy-scuffle-at...

Seems to me the green light committee did the right thing in rejecting this candidate. Trudeau seems to be cleaning up the party at every opportunity. I wish there were few of them but every new leader has to get rid of the deadwood and now is the time to do it.

nicky

How many nomination scandals have there now been for the Liberals under Justin's "open nomination" policy?

Trinity-Spadina, Ville Marie, Ottawa Orleans and counting?

Rokossovsky

Pondering wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

I hardly think Canadians want this gang of thugs replacing the Conservative government in the next election.

Police intervene after fight breaks out at meeting to nominate Andrew Leslie as Liberal MP candidate

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/12/07/police-break-up-noisy-scuffle-at...

Seems to me the green light committee did the right thing in rejecting this candidate. Trudeau seems to be cleaning up the party at every opportunity. I wish there were few of them but every new leader has to get rid of the deadwood and now is the time to do it.

Why? Because he broke up the fight?

They seem to be getting rid of the long time grass roots party organizers and replacing them with patricians with star power.

Pondering

Rokossovsky wrote:

Pondering wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

I hardly think Canadians want this gang of thugs replacing the Conservative government in the next election.

Police intervene after fight breaks out at meeting to nominate Andrew Leslie as Liberal MP candidate

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/12/07/police-break-up-noisy-scuffle-at...

Seems to me the green light committee did the right thing in rejecting this candidate. Trudeau seems to be cleaning up the party at every opportunity. I wish there were few of them but every new leader has to get rid of the deadwood and now is the time to do it.

Why? Because he broke up the fight?

They seem to be getting rid of the long time grass roots party organizers and replacing them with patricians with star power.

Ottawa lawyer David Bertschi, showed up with some angry supporters to complain that the party had acted undemocratically last month in disqualifying him from seeking the nomination....

Bertschi had initially been given the “green light” — approval to seek the nomination — by a committee that screens potential candidates. But last month, the Liberals’ national campaign co-chairs, Katie Telford and Dan Gagnier, wrote to Bertschi to inform him the approval had been rescinded.

Telford and Gagnier said Bertschi hadn’t complied with a plan to pay down outstanding debts from his 2013 bid for the Liberal leadership.

There was also a question about whether he had properly informed the green-light committee about a defamation action he had launched against a U.S.-based gossip website. At Saturday’s meeting, a letter from the party was read aloud to those gathered to explain the need for all potential candidates to go through background checks by the green-light committee.....

He sounds like a bitter loser to me. I'm curious to know what the deflamation lawsuit was about. Seems he had a skeleton in his closet.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/News/canada/Campaign+worker+says+received+p...

In a legal dispute between two potential federal Liberal candidates, a former adviser to Ottawa lawyer David Bertschi’s 2013 leadership campaign claims he received a salary payment via a cheque from Bertschi’s personal funds.

The campaign’s former Quebec liaison, Colin Standish, also says in court documents that he received another payment for his work with a money order sent by Bertschi’s law firm after he was fired from his part-time job with the campaign Bertschi For Canada.

After Ford I'm tired of the claim that what a politician does in their private life doesn't matter. It matters. Politician is not a regular job and it isn't about the potential for blackmail either. I want people of good character as representatives and lawmakers.

Rokossovsky

There we differ. What Ford did in his private life was completely of no interest to me, except in that his illegal and irresponsible crack use opened up the first magistrate of the city of Toronto to possible extortion and bribery.

I don't know about the alleged problems with Bertschi's personal finances and his campaign. But, if Bertschi was merely moving campaign funds through is account for the sake of convenience, and reported and accounted for that in a transparent manner, then it is less that a misdemeanor. If he moved the funds, and did not account for it, and thus used his personal funds to evade spending limits that is another thing.

But even in that case, and one or two payments were missed for small amounts, it does not look to me like a serious effort to compromise campaign spending limits, but more like an accounting oversight, which is not entirely unheard of given the vast amount of paperwork for small things that is created in a well funded campaign.

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Bertschi’s former campaign manager, Léo Bourdon, said the payments to Standish could have come from another source because the Bertschi campaign was not formally registered with Elections Canada until later, on Jan. 15, 2013. Expenses incurred before that point would still have had to be reported to Elections Canada.

Bourdon also said Standish might have been confused because the money order could have arrived in an envelope from Bertschi Orth Solictors, even though the firm didn’t pay for the money order.

Bourdon suggested most of Standish’s expense claims were baseless.

And regardless, that has nothing to do with why the Liberal Party barred Bertschi from running. They barred him allegedly because he had not taken care of his Liberal leadership campaign debt to a "sufficient" level for their liking, and that sounds like a judgement call, not a hard and fast rule.

Rokossovsky

Sound like quite a few "strategic voters" were quite miffed that their man was replaced with a person who was not fluent in French, among other things.

Quote:
Bertschi told The Huffington Post Canada Monday that his debt had been substantially reduced – suggesting that he had raised $100,000 during six months – and was on track to eliminate the last third by next May. That was a timeline, he said, he had discussed with the green-light committee.

“Every candidate was conditionally approved on having a repayment schedule that was reasonable, and that could be met, and we more than complied,” Bertschi said.

He wrote to party on Nov. 8 asking to discuss what he describes as inaccuracies in the content of the letter, but said he has not heard back from the party. “I still have six months to go [to complete the repayment plan], I’m ahead of schedule.”

David Bertschi Supporters Say Liberals' 'Backroom Politics' Behind Nomination

Sounds to me like if they had really wanted to keep Bertschi, they could have given him a pass, but they had a better idea.

nicky

This has already been linked in other threads:

http://deborahcoyne.ca/why-the-liberal-party-of-canada-nomination-proces...

These flaws have allowed Trudeau to rig the nomination of several of his friends.

It is noteworthy that most of those who ran against him for the leadership, including Deborah Coyne, have been elbowed out of nominations in favour of his preferred candidates.

NorthReport

Trudeau really is dumber than a sack of nails. What a moron to have gone public with this. Trudeau has basically handed Harper another election victory with his stupidity.

Explosive sexual harassment allegations issue allows Tories to focus on agenda, leaves opposition parties distracted

 

http://www.hilltimes.com/news/news/2014/12/08/explosive-sexual-harassmen...

Pondering

NorthReport wrote:

Trudeau really is dumber than a sack of nails. What a moron to have gone public with this. Trudeau has basically handed Harper another election victory with his stupidity.

Explosive sexual harassment allegations issue allows Tories to focus on agenda, leaves opposition parties distracted

 

http://www.hilltimes.com/news/news/2014/12/08/explosive-sexual-harassmen...

The NDP went public not Trudeau. All Trudeau did was suspend two MPs for misconduct towards two MPs from another party. It's the NDP who released all the details in dribs and drabs all month to keep the story going. Trudeau rarely mentioned it.

I agree with the following:

Mr. Trudeau “may come out of it well because the more the facts come into focus, the better his position looks,” Mr. Graves said, and Mr. Beardsley said the Liberal leader could eventually be credited with having brought the issue to light and bringing about a broader procedure on the Hill, if one is developed.

Pondering

Rokossovsky wrote:

There we differ. What Ford did in his private life was completely of no interest to me, except in that his illegal and irresponsible crack use opened up the first magistrate of the city of Toronto to possible extortion and bribery.....

And regardless, that has nothing to do with why the Liberal Party barred Bertschi from running. They barred him allegedly because he had not taken care of his Liberal leadership campaign debt to a "sufficient" level for their liking, and that sounds like a judgement call, not a hard and fast rule.

When I take out a bank loan I have to make each payment on time, not just say I am "on track" for paying it by the end of the loan period. You also skipped the failure to report the deflamation lawsuit.

What politicians do in their private life does concern me when it reflects on their decision-making ability and their moral fiber. Politician is not a 9 to 5 job. There should not be photos of the mayor of Toronto pissing in the bushes or drunkenly ranting about anything.

If Andrews and Pacetti would break their marital vows so casually why should I have any confidence in their word or judgement?

I'd rather be represented by a kind and honest night cleaner with no political experience.

nicky

This excuse might fly if this were the first time Justin's handlers have kneecapped someone for a nomination they wanted to hand to a friend.

Significantly most of those who dared oppose Justin for the leadership have been shouldered out of nominations: Bertuxhi, Takach, Coyne, Hall-Findlay. Not to mention Innes  (and Vaughn's other rivals in Spadina), Freeland's rivals, Amyot in Ville Marie, as well as hopefuls in Vancouver Granville, Surrey something, etc etc.

Pondering, you would do well to heed the words of that great philospopher Auric Goldfinger."Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."

 

 

Pondering

nicky wrote:

This excuse might fly if this were the first time Justin's handlers have kneecapped someone for a nomination they wanted to hand to a friend.

Significantly most of those who dared oppose Justin for the leadership have been shouldered out of nominations: Bertuxhi, Takach, Coyne, Hall-Findlay. Not to mention Innes  (and Vaughn's other rivals in Spadina), Freeland's rivals, Amyot in Ville Marie, as well as hopefuls in Vancouver Granville, Surrey something, etc etc.

Pondering, you would do well to heed the words of that great philospopher Auric Goldfinger."Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action."

There are a lot of nomination battles because the Liberals have such a small caucus but I agree you have a point. Their are questionable aspects to the nomination battles and I am giving Trudeau a large benefit of the doubt because I am biased in his favor. It doesn't concern me overmuch because I do think having the right candidates is important and so far I am happy with their caliber.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

Pondering wrote:

There are a lot of nomination battles because the Liberals have such a small caucus but I agree you have a point. Their are questionable aspects to the nomination battles and I am giving Trudeau a large benefit of the doubt because I am biased in his favor. It doesn't concern me overmuch because I do think having the right candidates is important and so far I am happy with their caliber.

So, as long as you like the results, you don't really care whether the process that produced those results was democratic. How charming.

Rokossovsky

Michael Moriarity wrote:

Pondering wrote:

There are a lot of nomination battles because the Liberals have such a small caucus but I agree you have a point. Their are questionable aspects to the nomination battles and I am giving Trudeau a large benefit of the doubt because I am biased in his favor. It doesn't concern me overmuch because I do think having the right candidates is important and so far I am happy with their caliber.

So, as long as you like the results, you don't really care whether the process that produced those results was democratic. How charming.

We are talking about someone who thinks that voting on non-binding motions in parliament are an affront to democracy.

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