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Cody87 wrote:

Arthur Cramer wrote:

Was that really a joke? Why would anyone feel the need to make it. She's proven herself in and out of the House. She's not a joke. Let's give her the respect she deserves. I guess its only OK to elect truly ordinary Candians with REB's background as MP, ONLY if they're Liberals!

Arthur, takeitslowly is definitely on your side here. Stick to picking fights with Liberals, it's funny when you attack Liberals. It's sad when you attack New Democrats.

OK, TIS,  apologize. As for "our democratcally elected PM", being an ex Miitary Officer and understandig protocol, I would stand up if he entered a room, call him Prime Minister, and address him as Sir if he was speaking to me, would remain standing unless he said to sit and would get up and stand to attention untill he left he room. Don't bother lecturing me about showing respect. As for the rest, you're right, its a democracy. Deal with it!

And how about you show some respect to our democratically elected Prime Minister-elect for a change, huh?

takeitslowly

fuck trudeau.

 

and i think REB would make a good leader because she is likeable and she comes across as non partisan . Just a hard worker, a single mother who know the meaning of hard work unlike a party boy born with a silver spoon. She will give Justin a spanking and put him in his place. She will make a good female Prime minister.

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Arthur Cramer wrote:

Cody87 wrote:

Arthur Cramer wrote:

Was that really a joke? Why would anyone feel the need to make it. She's proven herself in and out of the House. She's not a joke. Let's give her the respect she deserves. I guess its only OK to elect truly ordinary Candians with REB's background as MP, ONLY if they're Liberals!

Arthur, takeitslowly is definitely on your side here. Stick to picking fights with Liberals, it's funny when you attack Liberals. It's sad when you attack New Democrats.

 

And how about you show some respect to our democratically elected Prime Minister-elect for a change, huh?

OK, TIS, I apologize. As for "our democratcally elected PM", being an ex Miitary Officer and understanding protocol, I would stand up if he entered a room and stand to proper thumbs at my pant seams attention, call him Prime Minister, and address him as Sir if he was speaking to me, would remain standing unless he said to sit and would get up and stand to attention untill he left he room. Don't bother lecturing me about showing respect. As for the rest, you're right, its a democracy, Ill speak my mind. And as to asking others to show repect, considering all the crap and smearing that happened on here to Tom Mulcair and candidates like Alex Johnstone, you're hardly in a postion to lecture me on anything. Again, its a democracy. I'll speak my mind. Oh, as if you Libs showed Harper the same kind of respect you're demanding. How hypocritical!

What goes around, comes around. Glass houses?

takeitslowly

I like alexander boluerice too or Ruth Ellen Brosseau. They are the best!

scott16

takeitslowly wrote:

I like alexander boluerice too or Ruth Ellen Brosseau. They are the best!

Speaking of Alexander Boulerice, can someone explain to me what his connections are to the sovereigntist movement?

I haven't been able to find anything on it.

adma

REB as leader would be Audrey revisited.  And lest we forget, Audrey was elected leader because she had a folk-hero appeal to her, not unlike REB.

To suggest that REB's any kind of currently desirable frontrunner for the leadership (as opposed to a positive benchmark for parliamentary performance and constituency service) is clearly a sign that whatever passes for the Rabble-centric NDP grassroots is suffering from extreme delusion if not outright dementia.  (And maybe fueled by some kneejerk partisan snark along the lines of "if somebody as so-called not-ready as Justin can be elected PM, why not REB?")

Also, people: quit heavy-handedly "gonging" anyone who's either non-bilingual or insufficiently so.

mark_alfred

Brachina wrote:

 Of course being an MP didn't prepare her [REB] for staring down world leader, working in a bar dealing with drunks prepared her to stare down world leader, many of whom are likely drunks

 

Hmm.

takeitslowly

Vegas Girl, aka The Accidental MP, aka Ruth Ellen Brosseau, the 31-year-old non-fictional NDP Member of Parliament from Berthier-Maskinonge, hammered her Bloc Quebecois and Liberal challengers by a 10,000 vote margin on Monday. Four years ago, Brosseau was among 57 rookie NDP MPs to be elected in Quebec. Four years later, she was among a handful of NDP election-night survivors, adding another chapter to an unlikely political success story that is a scriptwriter/movie deal away from becoming a Canadian blockbuster film. 

Unionist

The NDP should try to recruit Brigette DePape for the leadership.

Ruth Ellen Brosseau is a fine person. Trouble is, she has no history or connection whatsoever with any actual mass movement of people. She has gone straight from being a worker and single mother, to a professional politician.

We have no need of professional politicians.

Brigette DePape - courageous dissenter, and organizer. That's what's needed. Not all the tiresome debates upthread about image.

 

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Of course being an MP didn't prepare her for staring down world leader, working in a bar dealing with drunks prepared her to stare down world leader, many of whom are likely drunks

Oh, I see.

If this is the best response you've got then I'll stand by what I said.

And you can even have a "do-over" if you promise not to be silly the second time.

Cody87

takeitslowly wrote:

fuck trudeau.

 

and i think REB would make a good leader because she is likeable and she comes across as non partisan

Like Trudeau

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. Just a hard worker, a single mother who know the meaning of hard work unlike a party boy born with a silver spoon.

Just because Trudeau could have gotten through life without working hard due to being born to a wealthy family, does not mean he doesn't know how to work hard, and he certainly wouldn't have gotten where he is without working hard. And he is clearly not a party boy - how much does he even drink? Can't be much considering the kind of shape he's in at 43.

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She will give Justin a spanking and put him in his place.

Considering their relative ages, this is a very odd way to phrase this. But anyway, I think you are seriously underestimating both Trudeau's capabilities and his personal appeal which is - at the least - comparable to REB.

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She will make a good female Prime minister.

Her gender ought not to have anything to do with it. It's quite possible she has what it takes to be a good PM, but we'll need to see if she can energize the NDP grassroots first.

jjuares

Erin Weir! He went to the same elementary school in Regina I did ( although not at the same time and they just demolished the building, a beautiful old building and the oldest school still in use in Regina) . That's enough for me. He should be PM.

Debater

Unionist wrote:

The NDP should try to recruit Brigette DePape for the leadership.

Ruth Ellen Brosseau is a fine person. Trouble is, she has no history or connection whatsoever with any actual mass movement of people. She has gone straight from being a worker and single mother, to a professional politician.

We have no need of professional politicians.

Brigette DePape - courageous dissenter, and organizer. That's what's needed. Not all the tiresome debates upthread about image.

 

Michael Harris began his book on Harper, "Party of One" with an interview with Brigette DePape.

She was one of the first people to stand up and expose the dangers of the Harper Regime.

Aristotleded24

Cody87 wrote:
Just because Trudeau could have gotten through life without working hard due to being born to a wealthy family, does not mean he doesn't know how to work hard, and he certainly wouldn't have gotten where he is without working hard.

You really think is last name didn't have anything to do with his winning the Liberal leadership race? Kind of like how George Bush Jr. won the Republican nomination as a result of his hard work?

Centrist

With the Libs in an apparent long honeymoon period and the Cons eventually going into a leadership convention  - both will dominate the media narrative/attantion... the NDP will be hard pressed to obtain media coverage methinks.

Tom's narratives this election ... eg. balanced budget in 1st term will hurt him as 3rd party leader in opposition. Along with the major losses. Tom should remain in place for the time being... or an interim leader eventually put into place. Just look at the post-2011 Iggy Lib playbook. An NDP leadership convention should be at least 2 years out (unfortunately Tom's days look politically numbered to me).

His replacement? Should be a populist. Somone likable that will galvanize the media's attention prior to and during the next election campaign. Whoever that is I still do not yet know. Perhaps someone from outside cacaus. But that matter is likely still 2 years away.

 

scott16

Centrist wrote:

With the Libs in an apparent long honeymoon period and the Cons eventually going into a leadership convention  - both will dominate the media narrative/attantion... the NDP will be hard pressed to obtain media coverage methinks.

Tom's narratives this election ... eg. balanced budget in 1st term will hurt him as 3rd party leader in opposition. Along with the major losses. Tom should remain in place for the time being... or an interim leader eventually put into place. Just look at the post-2011 Iggy Lib playbook. An NDP leadership convention should be at least 2 years out (unfortunately Tom's days look politically numbered to me).

His replacement? Should be a populist. Somone likable that will galvanize the media's attention prior to and during the next election campaign. Whoever that is I still do not yet know. Perhaps someone from outside cacaus. But that matter is likely still 2 years away.

 

As a westerner what do you think of a Potential Nathan Cullen candidacy?

Or do you care to speculate on other candidates from out west?

jjuares

Whoever it is they have to speak French.

mark_alfred

The NDP should offer it to Judy Rebick.

Cody87

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Cody87 wrote:
Just because Trudeau could have gotten through life without working hard due to being born to a wealthy family, does not mean he doesn't know how to work hard, and he certainly wouldn't have gotten where he is without working hard.

You really think is last name didn't have anything to do with his winning the Liberal leadership race? Kind of like how George Bush Jr. won the Republican nomination as a result of his hard work?

I didn't say his last name didn't have anything to do with him winning the Liberal leadership race. I said he wouldn't be where he is without working hard. A lot happened in between him winning the leadership and the present. Just because he's a Trudeau doesn't mean he's lazy.

Centrist

scott16 wrote:
As a westerner what do you think of a Potential Nathan Cullen candidacy?

Or do you care to speculate on other candidates from out west?

Nathan is an excellent MP. No doubt about it. And has an excellent reputation. But I just dunno right now. Still too early.

I have previously been looking at numerous media articles during the 2012 fed NDP race to refresh myself. Nathan ran in "green" colours in order to position himself as the enviro candidate. Will that fly in the ROC? Charlie Angus demeaned Nathan as an "outsider" in the previous race.

Nathan apparently speaks French somewhat better than Paul Dewar. What does that mean? That Nathan speaks French as well as Dion spoke English? I dunno.

Right now.... it's still wayyyyyy too early to speculate upon candidates. I am still trying to analyze the election results myself.

Again, I  believe that the next leader should be a populist with great oratory skills... in order to receive media attention. When I say that, I am inferring Tommy Douglas or Dave Barrett. At this juncture, I am still not certain who that is - both inside/outside caucus.

Debater

Charlie Angus is a pretty nasty person, so I wouldn't take anything he says too seriously.

He may be a good advocate for his Nothern Ontario riding in some ways (although his vote share fell substantially on Monday night), but he comes across as mean & combative.

He's kind of an NDP version of Jason Kenney.

Basement Dweller

scott16 wrote:

As a westerner what do you think of a Potential Nathan Cullen candidacy?

Or do you care to speculate on other candidates from out west?

I know this was asked of Centrist, but I'll reply too. I respect Cullen, but for some reason he doesn't appeal to me. He comes across as too intense on TV. It's hard to explain.

Even though i'm a 4th generation British Columbian, I am really hesitant about voting for a candidate from my province. It's better to have a leader from Central Canada, as much as I hate to say it.

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Debater wrote:

Charlie Angus is a pretty nasty person, so I wouldn't take anything he says too seriously.

He may be a good advocate for his Nothern Ontario riding in some ways (although his vote share fell substantially on Monday night), but he comes across as mean & combative.

He's kind of an NDP version of Jason Kenney.

Debaer, Jason is a reactionary, nasty SOB. Charlie Angus is a Social Democrat. He and Kenny are as different as night and day.

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

It's pretty clear the NDP has got a real problem. Trudea is Obamaizing himself and the MSM is helping him. This is going to be really tough. Its like what has happened with the progressive caucus in the Deomcratic party. They've been marginalizined by Obama and they're having a tough time. There's no one to stand up to the Corproatist agenda. Its going t be really tough slogging for a while, and the Libs know it, and love it. They believe that compromise is always the solution, because they know its how you hold on to power. That is all it is for them, we need to remember, for the Libs it is entirely about power. About privilege, about deciding who gets the spoils.

The nice thing is they'll still govern like Libs, and this time, social media is going to work agains them, but it's going to take a while and the NDP needs to be patient. Don't pay any attention to the Lib voices posting above trying to panic you. They want us to make bad choices, and stay in a state of panic turning on each other. Come on now, seriously, let's get a grip here. Think about it, who here who thinks clearly really believes REB has enough seasoning to lead a national party? On top of that, who even knows if she can lead? I know about leadership, I was a military officer. It isn't given to you like it was to Trudeau just becaus he's pretty and has a nice smile, you earn it, like Broadbent, Douglas, Lewis, Woodswoth. You earn it and achieve, because you deserve. It there is one thing you can say about Trudeau, he doesn't deserve, because he ever earned it! IT was given to him because his name was Trudeau, and for NO other reason.

Thank about it, Lib sycophants on this board are talking about leaders, and what the NDP should do. Why do you think they are doing it? Do you really think they care? They don't care. Its about sewing confusion, and dissension and keeping everyone at edge. In some ways it like what the Germans tried to do at the Battle of the Bulge when they infiltrated the Allied lines. They tried to sew dissension and turn the allied troops against each other, against themselves.

This board and this thread are a microcosm of this. They  are going to pick at us. Start new threads and try to make us rise to the bait. Look at it every one we've seen since the election. Ask yourself, what could possibly be the reason for it other than to sew dissension? Look at the titles. Look at the topics! Okay, I say let's strart ignoring them. Let's make them talk to themselves. Eventually they'll go away. The only reason they are here is becase we've made it possible for them to be here. They get off on it. It makes them feel big. It makes them feel they are right. Stop giving them the power. Lets get our eyes back on the ball! Corporatist Liberals with a pro business friendly agenda that will be controlled by the 1%. The Liberals, a 1%er run party led by the biggest 1%er of all!

When I was a kid, I used to rise to the bait over and over. I got made fun of and then struck back and it got worse. In some ways this is the same. But we're adults now. But the people picking at us, they're zealots, partisans, know-it-alls. They want us to just shut up and just do what they want. So, I'm going to do my best now to ignore them. I suggest any New Dem on this board do the same. Don't empower them; ignore them. Once there's no more fun to be had, they'll leave! That's what they're here for, for fun, to stir things up, provocate, nip at us. Like Gunny Hightower said in the movie "Hamburger Hill", don't give the man the pleasure!

Keep your heads on tight! Think! Reason! Stay strong, stay tough! Stay smart!

Ready? Aye! Ready! Allons-y!!!!!!

Lets go!!!!!

Come on!!!!

Debater

Basement Dweller wrote:

scott16 wrote:

As a westerner what do you think of a Potential Nathan Cullen candidacy?

Or do you care to speculate on other candidates from out west?

I know this was asked of Centrist, but I'll reply too. I respect Cullen, but for some reason he doesn't appeal to me. He comes across as too intense on TV. It's hard to explain.

Even though i'm a 4th generation British Columbian, I am really hesitant about voting for a candidate from my province. It's better to have a leader from Central Canada, as much as I hate to say it.

I think Kim Campbell is the only Prime Minister ever elected from British Columbia.

So you make an interesting point.

It seems to be hard for people from B.C. to become PM.

B.C. seems to be largely excluded from the top tier in Federal politics for some reason.

nicky

Here is a counterpoint to those braying for Tom's blood.

http://www.hilltimes.com/opinion-piece/2015/10/22/lots-of-reasons-for-nd...

josh

scott16 wrote:

takeitslowly wrote:

I like alexander boluerice too or Ruth Ellen Brosseau. They are the best!

Speaking of Alexander Boulerice, can someone explain to me what his connections are to the sovereigntist movement?

I haven't been able to find anything on it.

It's based on his admission of having voted Yes in '95.

brookmere

nicky wrote:
Here is a counterpoint to those braying for Tom's blood.
">http://www.hilltimes.com/opinion-piece/2015/10/22/lots-of-reasons-for-nd...

Otherwise good article, but:

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It’s not every day a guy from rural Quebec emerges from a regular family background

"Rural Quebec"? He was born in Ottawa and has lived in metro Ottawa, Montreal, and Quebec City his whole life. Also I don't think it's quite a "regular" family background to have an ancestor who was Premier of Quebec.

And I don't agree with the title either. The leader is always responsible.

 

 

nicky

Tom  was born in Ottawa and mostly grew up in Chomedy, a suburb of Laval. However for a period of some years after his father lost his jo the family did move into the family cottage in a small town in the Laurentions. So it is not entirely inaccurate to say he has roots in rural Quebec.

Brachina

adma wrote:

REB as leader would be Audrey revisited.  And lest we forget, Audrey was elected leader because she had a folk-hero appeal to her, not unlike REB.

To suggest that REB's any kind of currently desirable frontrunner for the leadership (as opposed to a positive benchmark for parliamentary performance and constituency service) is clearly a sign that whatever passes for the Rabble-centric NDP grassroots is suffering from extreme delusion if not outright dementia.  (And maybe fueled by some kneejerk partisan snark along the lines of "if somebody as so-called not-ready as Justin can be elected PM, why not REB?")

Also, people: quit heavy-handedly "gonging" anyone who's either non-bilingual or insufficiently so.

 Your wrong on both counts. REB isn't Audrey, she's smarter and more capable and more charming. Plus  she's Trudeau Kyptonite.

 And yes if someone isn't bilingual they're not qualified for the job, we have two official langauges and to chose some who isn't fluent in one or the other would be a huge insult to much of the country.

 Not that someone who isn't bilingual has a chance in hell of being chosen to lead the NDP, the membership isn't going to vote for someone like that, just ask Robert Chisholme. Its cruel to encourage a unilingual person to even concider running and it should be made a prerequiste for even running, not because they could win, but for they own good.

 

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Let us please be realistic about REB. Prior to her running for the NDP as a paper candidate, she had no known prior political experience or interest in politics other than having a love for animal welfare. This is very unusual. She did not take political science in university or economics or spend years at the grass roots level working within the party, she did nothing which shows years of depth on NDP policy or issues. In four more years, she will have another four years under her belt. That will be eight years of political experience. To be a leader, you have to have an encyclopedic memory of facts and statistics on not only all NDP policies and issues, but to be able to know what your opponents did with all these issues for the last generation as well. Four years of sitting in parliament on one committee does not cut it. I don't care what she looks like or what charisma she has. If she cannot think on the fly and think on her own and command the NDP message through a litany of media interrogation, then she is not a leadership asset. The Liberals can get away with electing a facade who can only recite rehearsed lines. The NDP has a higher standard. If Meghan Leslie does not speak French, then in four years she can be a hopeful contender if Mulcair does not wish. Meghan Leslie does have the qualifications, and there are many others out there who are as capable as Meghan Leslie. in the mean time, let us set leadership notions to the sidelines. Mulcair will be in the House of Commons to represent our interests, and that suits me just fine.

Unionist

We have no need of professional politicians.

KenS

I dont have Unionist animus for "professional politicians." And on the practical level, I'd like to saa anyone set out a rigorous divide between professional politician and someone steeped in social movement activism. For one thing, what about people who are both?

That said, since I know a lot of Nova Scotia politicians personally- there is a "depth problem" with people who go straight from being rgular Joe/Jane to being long time politician.

 

adma

Unionist wrote:
The NDP should try to recruit Brigette DePape for the leadership.

Yeah, fine and all; but that'd be like suggesting that a holographic Tooker Gomberg should be the "progressive" choice for Toronto Mayor in 2018, with the "if Sanders/Corbyn can do it" alibi for good measure.  And then the party'd be battling the Greens (and maybe the Bloc) for third place.

pookie

Cody87 wrote:

pookie wrote:

scott16 wrote:

Another reason REB would be good would be I think she would bring out the worst in Trudeau. I think it would increase his gaffes and verbal mistakes.

I haven't the foggiest notion why that should be.  In fact, I think he would admire her.  

They'd probably get along great!

Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but I had basically the same thought - Trudeau would at least respect her for her ability to connect with Canadians. You know, like him.

Nope - not being sarcastic!  I am mystified by the suggestion that Trudeau would not be able to deal with REB cordially - and she him.  I don't understand the kryptonite suggestion at all.

Unionist

KenS wrote:

I dont have Unionist animus for "professional politicians." And on the practical level, I'd like to saa anyone set out a rigorous divide between professional politician and someone steeped in social movement activism. For one thing, what about people who are both?

I have no problem at all with people who are both. Sorry if I left that impression - unintended - I just wanted to underline that I have no use for "leaders" (whether of parties or unions or social organizations in general) who have never been activists. And that's unfortunately what excludes Ruth Ellen Brosseau, who I'm sure is becoming a fine politician.

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That said, since I know a lot of Nova Scotia politicians personally- there is a "depth problem" with people who go straight from being rgular Joe/Jane to being long time politician.

Perhaps. But upthread, we can read opinions about the need for party "leaders" to have charisma, or the ability to toss off sound bites, or a university education in political science, or good looks, or prosecutorial brilliance, etc. It is these sorts of opinions that I seek to counter. I don't think parties need a "leader" at all (cf. Québec Solidaire) - and I don't think any of those qualities should define elected representatives, in the absence of a history of social movement activism.

So Ken, what do you think of Brigette DePape (if we actually need to have something as medieval as a "LEADER")?

 

 

KenS

Since I think it is a serious distraction right now, I am in principle not going to engage in who would [would not] make a good leader.

KenS

When the leadership race comes, I would take a look how any candidate performs- especially those I come into it skeptical they have [enough of] everything required.

Stockholm

adma wrote:

Also, people: quit heavy-handedly "gonging" anyone who's either non-bilingual or insufficiently so.

Why stop doing that? Being functionally bilingual is a 100% essential prerequisite for the job of a leader of a national political party. If you are not reasonably fluent in French and English you have no business even thinking about running for leader PERIOD. END OF STORY...and if I ever see anyone speculate on anyone as a potential NDP leader who is unilingual, I will GONG and GONG and GONG and GONG until people wake up and smell the coffee and get the message that this is not going to fly.

FWIW, Nathan Cullen's French is actually very good...about on a par with Jack Layton's by 2011. He has an anglo accent but he is very colloqual and folksy in French....none of which is to say that I would back him for leader and that the NDP even needs a new leader...just saying that IMHO he clears the bar for sufficient bilingualism to be a potential leader.

jjuares

KenS wrote:

Since I think it is a serious distraction right now, I am in principle not going to engage in who would [would not] make a good leader.


While I agree we th 100% I am still going to have a little fun with this distraction. Two words: Erin Weir

Arthur Cramer Arthur Cramer's picture

The Libs would love to have New Democrats taking pot shots about who the new leader should be. Who do you think started this nonsense in the first place. This is just more Libearl mischief!

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Your wrong on both counts. REB isn't Audrey, she's smarter and more capable and more charming. Plus  she's Trudeau Kyptonite.

But wait, there's MORE!

She can make a three minute egg in two minutes!

She puts her pants on BOTH legs at a time!

She was once so mad at neo-liberalism that she slammed a revolving door!

Basement Dweller

I think a lot of us find REB so interesting because she isn't from the standard political background. A lot of political "activists" are ego-tripping, backstabbing, self-righteous hypocrites. REB is like a breath of fresh air.

scott16

Basement Dweller wrote:

I think a lot of us find REB so interesting because she isn't from the standard political background. A lot of political "activists" are ego-tripping, backstabbing, self-righteous hypocrites. REB is like a breath of fresh air.

I agree 100%. She seems more real than all the other potential candidates.

Most people on this thread have been attacking her for her appearance and age. 

Cody87

scott16 wrote:

Most people on this thread have been attacking her for her appearance and age. 

There's a precedent for this in Canadian politics :P

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Most people on this thread have been attacking her for her appearance and age.

I think you've got it inside out.

Nobody's been "attacking her", but those who aren't on board are attacking the idea of supporting her *because of* her appearance and age.

Or is it her decades of experience that everyone's attacking?

Her foreign policy experience?

Her own expressed desire to be Party Leader?

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REB is like a breath of fresh air.

Wanna know how to spoil that?  Make her Party Leader.

adma

scott16 wrote:
I agree 100%. She seems more real than all the other potential candidates.

Same reason why Rob Ford resonated enough to win.

A bit unfair, perhaps; but this demonstrates the limitations of "more real" as an end in itself...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB_titJ5pDM

Debater

Mulcair Shrugged: How NDP Strategists Failed the Left

Party insiders played a chess game and let Trudeau echo Layton.

http://thetyee.ca/Opinion/2015/10/22/NDP-Strategists-Failed-the-Left/

pir pir's picture

Debater wrote:

Being fluent in French is an important requirement for a Federal Leader in the 21st Century -- including for the NDP now if it wants to keep its toehold in Québec.

Yes, it is.  However, just because somebody's French is substandard at this point does not mean the person is automatically a lost cause.  One can learn French in adulthood, even if one failed with the abysmally bad school French that gets forced down people's throats when they couldn't care less.  Adults learn languages all the time, and while their accent usually gives them away as non-native, contrary to the notion that kids have it ever so much easier, adults actually can use their cognitive functions fully, and learn a language faster and more efficiently.  I am learning French myself, and I expect I will be proficient before the next election comes around (since it's not my first foreign language, I know I can do it).  One needs to work on it, but surely investing 30 min a day in something that is important to the country is not an undue burden. 

So I wouldn't worry too much about anyone's French, as long as it is clear to them they've got to acquire it, and they commit to that.

Personally, I wasn't happy with the campaign, with Mulcair's behaviour and the advice he accepted about how to act and how to position himself.  I hope he does some serious soul searching, and the people who ran the show don't get rehired for that job again.  But I don't think now is a good time for a new leadership race.  That's better done from a position of relative strength, when we know who the new Conservative leader is, when our new MPs have had a chance to settle in, and when we can see how the Liberals go about living up to their election promises, and how far to the right they start moving one the honeymoon is over.  Speculating is fun, I get it, but we need some time to learn what kind of leader we want, because we don't get to re-fight this election next time; it will be a completely different thing.  I don't think it'll be too much to expect that we can be in a better position for the next election than we are now because I, for one, don't actually expect many sunny ways with rainbow elves shitting golden sparkles from the Liberals, possibly impending marijuana legalization notwithstanding.

I gotta say, however disappointing the overall results, I kinda love looking at the electoral map of Vancouver Island right now -- a sea of orange with a single speck of green, and not even the slightest tinge of blue.  It is quite the bright spot.

Brachina

pookie wrote:

Cody87 wrote:

pookie wrote:

scott16 wrote:

Another reason REB would be good would be I think she would bring out the worst in Trudeau. I think it would increase his gaffes and verbal mistakes.

I haven't the foggiest notion why that should be.  In fact, I think he would admire her.  

They'd probably get along great!

Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but I had basically the same thought - Trudeau would at least respect her for her ability to connect with Canadians. You know, like him.

Nope - not being sarcastic!  I am mystified by the suggestion that Trudeau would not be able to deal with REB cordially - and she him.  I don't understand the kryptonite suggestion at all.

 He already has a history of being a royal asshole towards her, he went on tour basically bashing REB when she was first elected. She just brings out his inner jerk. So there is prescendence for this.

 Alot of you guys are under estimating what REB is capable of, she knows her stats and figures no problem.

 She's already a better MP then Trudeau ever was. She understands policy better then himand she'll be Trudeau Kyptonite.

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