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Climate Change: I don't want to talk about it

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CNN had a segment this week on how climate change is making these hurricanes such as Sandy more frequent but also more dangerous - climate change is pushing weather systems together, causing havoc, and we can expect more of this stuff as climate change gets progressively worse.

 

 

ETA: last night CNN had a panel talking about which party will benefit most from Sandy - the President benefits if he does a superb job managing the disaster; Romney wins if the East Coast Elite all stay home repairing the damage instead of voting.


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Piers Morgan and guests on CNN talking about Sandy and global warming right now. Michael Moore: "This storm should put an end to climate debate". Andrew Cuomo and Michael Bloomberg: "We will see more storms like this in the future". Piers Morgan: People say this storm is unprecedented - Sandy is now the precedent". Michael Moore: "This is a dangerous road we are on".


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RT: Global Warming Debate (and vid)

http://xrepublic.tv/node/867/

"Franken-Climate' - Two skeptics vs one alarmist - Climatologist: Dr Patrick Michaels and Physicist Dr Denis Rancourt debate climate alarmist Richard Milne"...


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Meanwhile, in we have the "bizarre ritual" in Doha (the location of the latest global warming "summit).

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What was seen as a question of man's survival not too long ago is little more than a side note today. Even forest dieback, the great bugaboo of the 1980s, did not suffer a comparable plunge into irrelevance.

This only amplifies the bizarrely ritualistic nature of the Climate Change Conference starting this week in Doha, Qatar. Thousands of negotiators, environmentalists and industry lobbyists are meeting in the Arab emirate to set the course for an international treaty to limit greenhouse gas emissions.

But the world has already turned its back on the issue. And if that weren't unnerving enough, the attendees from 195 countries will be debating a project that everyone suspects is no longer achievable: the 2-degree target.

It remains a mantra for saving the climate that the earth's temperature curve cannot be allowed to climb any further than 2 degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit). Climatologists have calculated how much carbon dioxide emissions from cars, chimneys and fields can increase without jeopardizing the 2-degree target. If we fail in this mission, at least according to their computer models, life on the planet will become intolerable.

But a look at their calculations reveals that limiting the earth's warming to 2 degrees Celsius is no longer realistic. Our thirst for energy is too enormous and our efforts to wean ourselves off fossil fuels have been too insignificant.

Instead of declining, emissions continue to rise year after year. If nothing changes, the United Nations Environment Program (UNEP) predicted last week, global carbon emissions will increase to about 58 gigatons by 2020 -- much more than the 44 gigatons necessary to adhere to the 2-degree target.


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It's Official, Harper Government Withdraws from Kyoto Climate Agreement

http://o.canada.com/2012/12/14/its-official-harper-government-withdraws-...

"Canada will officially become the first country to withdraw from the Kyoto Protocol climate change agreement Saturday..."

 

AMEG Strategic Plan

http://arctic-news.blogspot.ca/2012/12/ameg-strategic-plan.html

"This strategic plan was prepared by the independent policy group AMEG (the Arctic Methane Emergency Group) comprising a multi-disciplinary team of leading scientific experts, system engineers, communicators and concerned citizens. The purpose of this document is firstly to warn the world of the extreme and imminent danger of global famine and ensuing strife created by rapid Arctic warming and precipitous sea ice retreat, and secondly to provide a strategic plan for handling the situation..."

 

'I'd Rather Fight Like Hell': Naomi Klein's Fierce New Resolve To Fight for Climate Justice

http://thephoenix.com/boston/news/148879-id-rather-fight-like-hell-naomi...


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I don't know what to make of this. Anyone know Tom Harris?

Ottawa must get real on climate change

It seems to go intuitively against what I know about climate change.


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Harris can be found on wikipedia, he is a mechanical engineer sponsered by the heartlands institute. It looks like he has been busy building a group of doubters around the world.  Dangerous people with lots of money behind them.  I guess the Sun is working hard to extend an air of Credibility to them.   There is an election coming up in BC and a hell of a lot of money gets transfered to the media in "Bc is the best place in the world" free governement money and this is probably the payback.

Edited to add.  I looked into some of the network of these people and there is another wing in New Zealand (on Heartlands payroll too).

"The Heartland Institute, the US organisation that plays a key role in organised climate denial, has directly funded New Zealand’s most prominent sceptics, a search of US Internal Revenue Service documents has revealed. In 2007, Heartland granted US$25,000 (NZ$32,000) to the NZ Climate “Science” Coalition, sending the money to NZ CSC member Owen McShane. They also gifted the International Climate Science Coalition US$45,000 (NZ$59,000), forwarding the cash to NZ CSC webmaster and ICSC founding chairman Terry Dunleavy. [14]"

These guys do seem to have some of wikipedia corrupted because http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Climate_Science_Coalition but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Harris_%28mechanical_engineer%29  gives the game away a bit.   His buddy Vincent Gray in New Zealand asked to see the draft report of the IPCC and has decided that this allows him to call himself an 'Expert"  

 Vincent Gray   "Dispute over credentials

He has been an "Expert Reviewer for the IPCC" since 1990,[1][6] although this consideration has been challenged and considered misleading since it does not require any expertise at all, but only that "he asked to see the draft report" and signed an agreement not to publicly comment on the draft report.[9]

Gray has never been published in a peer-reviewed journal on the subject of climate change".

 

Boom Boom wrote:

I don't know what to make of this. Anyone know Tom Harris?

Ottawa must get real on climate change

It seems to go intuitively against what I know about climate change.


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Thanks, Brian.


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Boom Boom wrote:

I don't know what to make of this. Anyone know Tom Harris?

I don't know Tom Harris.

from the bottom of the article ...

Tom Harris is executive director of the International Climate Science Coalition and an adviser to the Frontier Centre for Public Policy.

http://www.desmogblog.com/tom-harris

and, from sourcewatch.org ...

Tom Harris (Canadian engineer/PR specialist), a global warming skeptic

and,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/jul/29/climate-change-sceptics-ch...

 


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Thanks for the info. Harris sounds like a really bad guy.


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Thanks Boom Boom for getting me to look.  The deniers are now so blatent that they do not even try to cover their tracks.  BUT the stench of heartland has gotten too much for Pfizer and they have stopped "donating" to dirty old heartland.   http://www.christianpost.com/news/major-pharmaceutical-company-cuts-ties...    Here is a quote from the link. It (Heartland_ "boasts of having 5,000 financial supporters, six NEWSPAPERS, and over 200 academics and economists who serve as policy advisers". I guess one of the "newspapers" is whoever currently owns the vancoubver sun (and who clearly has decided to print propaganda). Perhaps we need an online campaign to expose the Vancouver sun for printing that rubbish?    Read more at http://www.christianpost.com/news/major-pharmaceutical-company-cuts-ties-with-global-warming-denialist-think-tank-87024/#C3MFCwbBFrYdiEM1.99


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The fact that there are connections between Harris and the Koch Brothers should tell us all we need to know.

Is the Vancouver Sun part of the evil Sun Empire?


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Boom Boom wrote:

The fact that there are connections between Harris and the Koch Brothers should tell us all we need to know.

Is the Vancouver Sun part of the evil Sun Empire?

Actually no, it's part of Postmedia.

 


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Thanks!


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Does Snow and Cold Weather Disprove Climate Change?

This is a really good link. 
 
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NASA and NOAA plus research centers around the world track the global average temperature, and all conclude that Earth is warming. In fact, the past decade has been found to be the hottest since scientists started recording reliable data in the 1880s. These rising temperatures are caused primarily by an increase of heat-trapping emissions in the atmosphere created when we burn coal, oil, and gas to generate electricity, drive our cars, and fuel our businesses. Hotter air around the globe causes more water evaporation, which fuels heavier precipitation in the form of more intense rain and snow storms.
 
At the same time, because less of a region’s precipitation is falling in light storms and more of it in heavy storms, the risks of drought and wildfire are also greater. Ironically, higher air temperatures tend to produce intense drought periods punctuated by heavy floods, often in the same region.
 
These kinds of disasters may become a normal pattern in our everyday weather as levels of heat-trapping gases in the atmosphere continue to rise.

excerpt:

Overall, it’s warming, but we still have cold winter weather.  (explanation follows)


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