Climate Change: I don't want to talk about it

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Doug Woodard

SUVs and suspicion:climate change scepticism on the populist right:

https://sotonpolitics.org

See post for July 26, 2016

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mmphosis

Now, Every Storm Is a Climate Change Storm (truth-out.org)

But what he won't say, and he won't let any state employee say, is that the sheer power of this storm is directly related to climate change and the effects of a warming planet.

 

mmphosis

Doug Woodard wrote:

SUVs and suspicion:climate change scepticism on the populist right:

https://sotonpolitics.org

See post for July 26, 2016

Here's the link:

https://sotonpolitics.org/2016/07/26/suvs-and-suspicion-climate-change-s...

“It’s snowing and freezing in NYC. What the hell ever happened to global warming?”

Tweeted by @RealDonaldTrump, 21/03/2013

 

mmphosis
mmphosis
Doug Woodard

Climate change and population:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-09-23/want-to-slow-climate-c...

Part of the solution, but not enough.

Doug Woodard

Climate change in the Yukon:

http://www.cbc.ca/1.3792883

 

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(VIDEO) R I P Great Barrier Reef pronounced dead by scientists

Great Barrier Reef pronounced dead by scientists. For most of its life, the reef was the world’s largest living structure, and therefore the only 1 visible from area. It was 1,400 miles long, with 2,900 individual reefs and one,050 islands. In total space, it absolutely was larger than the uk, and it contained a lot of multifariousness than all of Europe combined. It harbored one,625 species of fish, 3,000 species of shellfish, 450 species of coral, 220 species of birds, and thirty species of whales and dolphins. Among its several alternative achievements, the reef was home to at least one of the world’s largest populations of sirenian and therefore the largest tract of inexperienced turtles.

Source : https://goo.gl/tLYln5

Rikardo

Why has « Climate Change » largely replaced « Global Warming”? Is it less threatening? “Change” is normal. It could be colder or warmer or dryer. But “Warming”. That’s what it is. Far more serious than pollution or inequality. Two to maybe 4 degrees with rising oceans. It won’t end humanity as some predict but will lead to costly (lives and money) chaos already started. Even a few tons less of CO2 makes a slight difference.

“Actualité” this issue, lists three ways to reduce emissions by 30% in 14 years and one is 1.5 billion trees. That’s only a few hundred per km2. Around here there are so many fields, no longer cultivated, that could be tree-ed.

Doug Woodard

New research finds that Anarctica's ice shelves are melting rapidly:

http://on.wsj.com/2eBXjpx

 

Doug Woodard
Doug Woodard

World climate policy: a critical assessment:

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/2016EF000392/full

 

mmphosis
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bekayne

For the next four years, the issue is dead.

bekayne

http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-climate-change-danger-action...

In other words: Trump plans to allow corporations to haul vast amounts of carbon out of the Earth and burn it, releasing untold tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere. He plans to walk back the United States' international commitments to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. He plans to make it easier for coal companies to poison drinking water. And he plans to bar from government any of the 97%+ of climate scientists who form the overwhelming consensus on climate change.

Rikardo

Trump could be good for Reducing Global Warming.  At least he is honest on this while Western leaders fly to Africa or Paris and do nearly nothing. Even Couillard is there now but he won't put a cap on hydrocarbons exploration in Quebec hoping maybe for a big find that will make lots of monand look good for Quebec and keep his party in office.  Hell, the world doesn't need any more new hydrocarbon finds.  We've go enough proven reserves to heat us up maybe 5 degrees.

Our enironmentalists are against Fracking (No Fracking Fracking)  OK for conventional wells but No fracking. That's the message.

The excess of CO2 is the problem, not pollution.  CO2 is clean and is in fact Greening the Planet (encouaging plant growth)

Let's go for 500 ppm.

mark_alfred

National town hall with David Suzuki: The future of environmental rights

Wednesday, 16 November 2016 from 8:00 PM to 9:00 PM (EST)

Doug Woodard
Martin N.

Each individual can make a difference by planting trees, installing personal solar systems, reducing consumption or any other method to reduce their carbon footprint. Climate change isn't the issue with so called 'sceptics', the issue is the political use of climate change to further leftist delusions.

Doug Woodard

Martin N. wrote:
Each individual can make a difference by planting trees, installing personal solar systems, reducing consumption or any other method to reduce their carbon footprint. Climate change isn't the issue with so called 'sceptics', the issue is the political use of climate change to further leftist delusions.

And what would these leftist delusions be? Don't be shy.

 

Doug Woodard
josh

On Tuesday, President Obama announced that he was putting hundreds of millions of acres of federally owned waters in the Arctic and Atlantic Ocean off limits "indefinitely" to future oil and gas drilling.

Environmental groups had been calling for precisely this move ever since the election — as a way of preempting Donald Trump. What's interesting here is that while Obama can legally put these areas off limits by executive order, it's not at all clear that Trump can unilaterally reverse this move, at least not without Congress passing a brand-new bill. 

http://www.vox.com/2016/12/20/14032588/obama-oil-drilling-arctic-trump 

 

 

 

Mobo2000

I don't imagine it will be hard for Trump to get Congress to pass a brand new bill on this, unfortunately.

josh

Not if it is filibustered in the senate.

Mobo2000

I hope you are right!

Martin N.

Doug Woodard wrote:

Martin N. wrote:
Each individual can make a difference by planting trees, installing personal solar systems, reducing consumption or any other method to reduce their carbon footprint. Climate change isn't the issue with so called 'sceptics', the issue is the political use of climate change to further leftist delusions.

And what would these leftist delusions be? Don't be shy.

 


That climate change can be mitigated without effect on global population. That, somehow, the pain of mitigation efforts will only affect 'others'. The alarmists never mention the people who now have to choose between shelter, food or heat rather than simply between food and shelter. That, somehow, a drastic reduction in fossil fuel use will still allow the earth to sustain its current population. Always the stirring hue and cry of "denier", never a mention of solutions.

Doug Woodard

Irreversible climate change due to carbon dioxide emissions:

http://www.pnas.org/content/106/6/1704.long

 

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Low-income families join solar revolution with help of California NGO

As the wealthy leave the electrical grid, there's a risk the poor will be left paying the bill

If you were to make a list of the poorest areas in Los Angeles, somewhere on that list would be Bertha Dortch's neighbourhood in Inglewood. The 68-year-old is on a fixed income, but she's chosen to take in her great-granddaughter and two foster children. On hot days, she faces difficult choices — does she keep the house cool, or buy groceries?

"Our electric bill was going sky high and I really couldn't turn the air conditioning on," Dortch says.

Now, her monthly energy bill is about to drop by more than a quarter. She's getting solar panels installed on her bungalow, for free, under a state-funded program paid for by California's cap-and-trade revenues....

josh

An obscure Washington policy group that opposes almost any government aid for renewable energy has emerged as an influential force in shaping Donald Trump's plans to dismantle Obama administration climate initiatives. 

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-01-05/tiny-group-of-tesla-skeptics-emerges-as-trump-energy-powerhouse

 

Martin N.

epaulo13 wrote:

Low-income families join solar revolution with help of California NGO

As the wealthy leave the electrical grid, there's a risk the poor will be left paying the bill

If you were to make a list of the poorest areas in Los Angeles, somewhere on that list would be Bertha Dortch's neighbourhood in Inglewood. The 68-year-old is on a fixed income, but she's chosen to take in her great-granddaughter and two foster children. On hot days, she faces difficult choices — does she keep the house cool, or buy groceries?

"Our electric bill was going sky high and I really couldn't turn the air conditioning on," Dortch says.

Now, her monthly energy bill is about to drop by more than a quarter. She's getting solar panels installed on her bungalow, for free, under a state-funded program paid for by California's cap-and-trade revenues....

yes, solutions. But not in Canada. Jump starting the residential solar industry with tax credits or subsidies for low income will create good jobs, advance technical aspects, lower costs and reduce base load during high usage daytime. Even apartment dwellers can benefit from small systems.

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Martin N. wrote:
Doug Woodard wrote:

And what would these leftist delusions be? Don't be shy.

.... That, somehow, a drastic reduction in fossil fuel use will still allow the earth to sustain its current population..

??? You see a decline in world population as undesirable?

iyraste1313

these delusions have to do with building supra national international agencies beyond the control of people to manipulate macroeconomics and finance and taxation policy and demand what nations must do, not to mention developing population reductions mechanisms such as war and colonialism to eliminate grass roots people living off the land without contributing to the pockets of the megacorporate elites and their bureaucrats of these multi national agencies...

let´s face reality...the left has lost it totally, totally bought out with their climate change internationalsit demands, their corporate globalist neoliberal politics...nor of course does the right have the slightest clue...so where do we turn to...why do people refuse to deal with the need to develop alternative politics...beyond me to understand!

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Martin N. wrote:

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Climate change isn't the issue with so called 'sceptics', the issue is the political use of climate change to further leftist delusions.

You can define what "the issue" is for yourself but not for other people; especially if they're an amorphous group only defined by your favourite labels.

 

josh

Marking another milestone for a changing planet, scientists reported on Wednesday that the Earth reached its highest temperature on record in 2016 — trouncing a record set only a year earlier, which beat one set in 2014. It is the first time in the modern era of global warming data that temperatures have blown past the previous record three years in a row. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/18/science/earth-highest-temperature-rec...

 

Doug Woodard

Climate change to produce a cooling North Atlantic?

http://advances.sciencemag.org/content/3/1/e1601666

Bad news for the Icelanders, at least for their farming.

Doug Woodard

Earth's last major warm period was as hot as today, but had higher sea levels:

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/earths-last-major-warm-period-was-ho...

 

NDPP

Human Extinction 2026

http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/02/03/human-extinction-2026/

"Is the death threat by 2026 credible?"

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Canada Cannot Have It Both Ways on Climate and Fossil Fuel Expansion

With great fanfare and a claim that “Canada is back,” Prime Minister Trudeau helped usher in the Paris Agreement on climate change in December 2015. Since then, however, the federal government has pushed to expand fossil fuel production through new bitumen pipelines and LNG terminals.

This contradiction points to a loophole in the Paris Agreement, one that perfectly fits Canada: countries have committed to reducing emissions within their borders, but not the carbon that is extracted and burned elsewhere.

Paris poses no limits or sanctions on the supply of fossil fuels being brought to market by producing countries. For exporters like Canada only the emissions from getting fossil fuels out of the ground and to the border are counted.

As a result, producing countries have a powerful incentive to respond to the Paris Agreement by doubling down on fossil fuels now before their value evaporates.

This “green paradox” is bad news for the climate....

 

Doug Woodard

Antarctic sea ice shrinks to smallest ever extent:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/feb/14/antarctic-sea-ice-shrinks-...

 

Doug Woodard

World's oceans losing oxygen, threatening marine life, study finds:

http://www.cbc.ca/1.3985933

 

Martin N.

Whistleblowers at the U.S. government’s official keeper of the global warming stats, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), claim their agency doctored temperature data to hide the fact that global temperatures plateaued almost 20 years ago.

Can the whistleblowers be believed in this claim, originally made in 2015? And in the further claim that NOAA then rushed this doctored data into print in time for the UN’s Paris global warming summit of world leaders, to dupe any doubters that the planet was in fact overheated?

Of course the whistleblowers can be believed, and not just because NOAA repeatedly stonewalled inquiries, even failing to comply with a congressional subpoena. No one paying attention can have any doubt that the governmental global warming enterprise has been a fraud. It’s been lies from the start, starting with the very mandate of the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which astonishingly ruled out factors like the sun as being worthy of investigation. http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/lawrence-solomon-finally-it...

Martin N.

josh wrote:

Marking another milestone for a changing planet, scientists reported on Wednesday that the Earth reached its highest temperature on record in 2016 — trouncing a record set only a year earlier, which beat one set in 2014. It is the first time in the modern era of global warming data that temperatures have blown past the previous record three years in a row. 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/18/science/earth-highest-temperature-rec...

 


But the records only go back 136 years. What about the millions of years previous?

Martin N.

Edzell wrote:

Martin N. wrote:

Quote:
Climate change isn't the issue with so called 'sceptics', the issue is the political use of climate change to further leftist delusions.

You can define what "the issue" is for yourself but not for other people; especially if they're an amorphous group only defined by your favourite labels.

 


But, on the other hand, it's ok for you to claim the support of "other people" without bothering to ask them?

Martin N.

Edzell wrote:

Martin N. wrote:
Doug Woodard wrote:

And what would these leftist delusions be? Don't be shy.

.... That, somehow, a drastic reduction in fossil fuel use will still allow the earth to sustain its current population..

??? You see a decline in world population as undesirable?


I see a decline in global population forced upon emerging economies by self righteous alarmists who will not suffer the same fate themselves as undesirable. Fortunately, most of the world order is simply paying lip service to the delusions and enjoying another conference close to the better restaurants and tourist facilities.

Doug Woodard

Welcome to Pleistocene Park:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2017/04/pleistocene-park/51...

One part of the solution. However I think the journalist's emphasis on the woolly mammoth is misguided. One desired animal is the wood bison, which most closely resembles the original steppe bison of the area. The government of the Sakha Republic which contains Pleistocene Park, has imported several batches of wood bison from Canada, and has built up the herd to around 170, but it is several hundred miles south of Pleistocene Park. Also see:

http://www.pleistocenepark.ru/en/

http://arctic.ru/environmental/20170215/552864.html

https://kelliralph.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/kralph_anthro584_essay2.pdf

 

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Record-breaking climate change pushes world into ‘uncharted territory
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/mar/21/record-breaking-clim...

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The record-breaking heat that made 2016 the hottest year ever recorded has continued into 2017, pushing the world into “truly uncharted territory”, according to the World Meteorological Organisation.

The WMO’s assessment of the climate in 2016, published on Tuesday, reports unprecedented heat across the globe, exceptionally low ice at both poles and surging sea-level rise.

Global warming is largely being driven by emissions from human activities, but a strong El Niño – a natural climate cycle – added to the heat in 2016. The El Niño is now waning, but the extremes continue to be seen, with temperature records tumbling in the US in February and polar heatwaves pushing ice cover to new lows.

“Even without a strong El Niño in 2017, we are seeing other remarkable changes across the planet that are challenging the limits of our understanding of the climate system. We are now in truly uncharted territory,” said David Carlson, director of the WMO’s world climate research programme.

“Earth is a planet in upheaval due to human-caused changes in the atmosphere,” said Jeffrey Kargel, a glaciologist at the University of Arizona in the US. “In general, drastically changing conditions do not help civilisation, which thrives on stability.”

Doug Woodard

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