let's call it: "Pollution Induced Climate Chaos"

Another, "interim" theory I heard about the other day, Boomer, had to do with the increased diversion of the jet stream from its normal, roughly west-to-east course by increasing thermal effects above the Asian mountain masses, giving the stream a more north-south pattern over both western North America and Europe.  More open Arctic water provides it with the moisture for snow-making. There was a precise explanation for the increased perturbation of the air above the Asian mountain masses, but it is not coming up in the old memory bank.

And of course, the oceans continue to warm, not affected by that jet stream , 40 or 50 thousand feet above water level. And the four warmest years ever experienced all occurred in the last decade.  If and when the Gulf Stream shuts down, Europeans will all need to take up skiis. 

A question to ilha:  Since Steve's forces are already trying to create the idea that fighting "dirty air" is right up there with combatting carbon emissions, are you sure you want to insert "pollution" and "chaos" into the public's limited lexicon?  :)

Yeah, I noticed "pollution" ain't used much, nowadays. I remember Ecology as an album by Rare Earth, one of my favourite bands, ever.

Changing the labels isnt going to do anything.

It is ideas, and the depth they reach.

And outright climate change denial isnt our problem. There are enough people- more than a majority- who are convinced that climate change is real. The denialists will always exist.

The problem is that the majortiy who see climate change as real have difficulty being clear on making it a priority. So they easily fall into a mish mash of "not now", "we cant afford it" and fatalism.

Pollution is a good term to hold on to and is still very applicable. It's very much tied to ecological damages like as acid rain, ag chemical soil contaminations, effluent seepage (human and livestock). These problems haven't gone away simply because they aren't being reported as much in the MSM. We're so used, now a days, to living near our algea infested lakes we've forgotten how clean our lakes used to be. I remember my dad worrying about the mercury levels in the lakes during the early seventies and how we've become limited in the amount of fish we can eat per week. I don't know what the rates are these days. I'd love to eat locally caught fish, but I'm not trusting of what we think are safe levels of mercury in our bodies. The acidification of our watersheds, and the changes to those marine ecologies, will continue to have impacts all the way to the oceans. Pollution's a good term and it's still an enormous problem.

I beleive the hypothesis of the petering of the Gulf Stream, and consequent deeper winters in Europe and North America, is only something that is seen as a possibility much further along with global warming than where we are now.

Welcome Searosia.

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it was a La Nina event, but same idea. In either case, both these are cooling trends, and we saw the second warmest november on record still.

George Victor:

Just to expand...In 'normal' conditions, we see 2 giant low pressure zones...one being between iceland and greenland (called the icelandic low).  We had a high preassure system over greenland that really messed with this, pushing the icelandic low over Europe.  This reversed the usual winds (Negative NOA) drawing the warmer wet air up the North American Eastern coast (heavy snows) and drawing arctic air into Europe.  The trend has seem to reversed though and we're back to more' normal' conditions.

The high above greenland is currently attributed to open arctic waters warming the air much more than it did previously.  We actually lost sea ice in november as well.   Turns out global warming = frozen florida and europe.

and Incidentally...North American weather is actually 'too cold' to snow in alot of cases...the optimal snowfall conditions are significantly warmer than current north american climate.  Means the more we warm, the closer to an optimal snowglobe New england becomes.

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