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"Some interesting facts I know. Methane just has to attain 5% of the air volume to be explosive ….and it burns at a temperature just under that of an atomic bomb ….the combustion product is carbon monoxide…the simple friction of the earth or a spark can ignite it (methane)."
You should check the sources of your facts. Like all hydrocarbons, the usual combustion products of methane are carbon dioxide and water. I don't think it would be a very good cooking fuel (i.e. natural gas), if it burned as hot as an atomic bomb.
"Some interesting facts I know. Methane just has to attain 5% of the air volume to be explosive ….and it burns at a temperature just under that of an atomic bomb ….the combustion product is carbon monoxide…the simple friction of the earth or a spark can ignite it (methane)."
You should check the sources of your facts. Like all hydrocarbons, the usual combustion products of methane are carbon dioxide and water. I don't think it would be a very good cooking fuel (i.e. natural gas), if it burned as hot as an atomic bomb.
In a controlled experiment using catalysts sure the products would be co2 and water but in an INCOMPLETE combustion…. IE in the air or a furnace in your home (natural gas) or the atmosphere CO ( carbon monoxide ) is produced instead of co2 as in this situation.
Methane in AIR burns @ 2000 C ..yep 2 thousand..
In the case of natural gas going to your stove top ....a variety of methods usually requiring pressure valves and special nozzles are used to reduce the intense heat...not to mention the addition of other additives and specialized heat exchangers etc.
I don't blame you for jumping to conclusions as methane and it's byproducts are one of the most covered up compounds you'll run into. For plenty of reasons. The big one being it makes up a huge percentage of so called natural gas and as we all now it's piped into everyones homes...can't panic the people now can we.
The other reasons are to due to it's use as a weapon...study FAE ( fuel air explosives) and "daisy cutters"and you'll get a pretty good grip on what your local gas company injects in your home and that furthur ...everyone has access to. Government and oil/gas companies are as thick as thieves and misinformation and disinformation are tools that serve them well.
If you don't believe me just look at this gulf oil BP fiasco as an example and that's with a zillion media outlets on their ass. Typically they usually have media by the short ones and cover up everything real good...and that's all oil/gas companies .
Incidently a Nagasaki or Hroshima type A- bomb produced a temperature under the fireball @ 7000 F…or 3800 C. Either way the poor people could be incinerated .
I suspect any gas in the air over the Gulf has weakened in its potential for explosive power simply because the Gulf winds disperse these gases substantially and in doing so they get broken down even further. Unless I see a credible source to the contrary, it's my opinion that the potential for a catastrophic explosive event remains unlikely. I hope there's very little potential for such an event, at any rate.
Question: what is the proven reserves of oil near the leak in the Gulf? How much longer can this go on?
Are they just days away from completing the relief well? Maybe have it stopped before the end of July?
Ahh, but then the cleanup. And the anoxic ocean water [lacking oxygen] will grow and grow, dead zones will become monstrous. It is so hard to be optomistic isn't it.
Today the oil stopped flowing for the first time in almost 90 days.
The fact that they designed a "capping stack" that actually works after 90 days of spilling means that they were improvising.
BP and other deep sea oil drillers should have had this equipment designed and fully tested years ago, BEFORE they first started drilling in water this deep {over 500 feet deep}.
These cracks in the ocean floor was the stated reason for not capping the well off earlier - they were saying that oil and gas might come bubbling up if they just capped it. So why are they capping it now? - probably because the relief wells are close and if the gas and oil comes bubbling up through the cracks they can just plug it below where those cracks are.
But they don't really know how deep the cracks go - there could be cracks lower than the relief well bore is, and if so the relief wells won't stop the oil and gas from bubbling up. That is not very likely though, cracks just don't go that deep very often.
Letting the pressure off, as all the wells in the Gulf are doing by removing oil and gas from the pools beneath the Gulf, could turn liquid methane to gas and it will all come bubbling out, as the article proposes.
But that "40,000 psi" pressure reading is stunning too. They are not telling the TV audience about that. They say 6000 to 8000 psi is what they hope for, and that readings are below 8000 psi. At least that is all I have heard.
"Bad news is trickling in for oil giant BP and its capped oil well in the Gulf of Mexico, as a seep and possible methane have reportedly been detected near its busted well.."
As the saying goes, you're only worth what you negotiate. I'm sure he had a (very expensive) law firm go through his contract when he took the job (and I'm willing to guarantee that contract will also require BP to pay for his lawyers to go through his severance agreement with a fine tooth comb).
Now that the relief well is ready to be used to plug the monster, and the oil is no longer flowing, the message in the media is that "it isn't so bad after all because the bacteria are degrading the oil in the water".
I am happy to hear that, and I might believe it because conditions ARE good for degradation as compared to the cold waters of the Exxon spill, but I wonder if that bacterial action is actually changing the oil into a harmless form?
When the bacteria consume the oil in the water, and other life forms consume that bacteria, and so on up the chain, is there still a TOXIC quality to it? Are oil toxins accumulating in "the bigger fish"?Or do the bacteria somehow change the chemistry of oil to make it harmless?
And where those oil-eating bacteria are thriving, is that also some kind of "Dead Zone"? Will it become one? Are those bacteria anerobic types, or are they oxygen based?
We are not going to hear much about these questions if the press is being restricted as pointed out above, where reporters are being threatened with jail and large fines for reporting on oiled birds and so on. Come to think of it, it has been a few weeks since we have seen any new pictures of oiled Herons, etc. What about those dead turtles - no photos!!
THEREFORE, WE CANNOT BELIEVE ANYTHING BEING REPORTED ABOUT THE NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF THE OIL. {outrage}
Denial, or deniability, is being spilled all over the media this morning as BP announces that "3/4 of the oil is gone from the Gulf" in that it has been "burned, collected, evaporated, or dispersed".
Key word: "DISPERSED".
In the real world, it is not gone. BP just wants us all to believe it is gone, but in fact there is about 25% of the spilled oil [over 1 million barrels] that is in the form of small droplets in those plumes at various depths in the Gulf waters.
Sea life does not get to pretend that those plumes of oil are gone, they are ingesting it. As for the "oil-eating bacteria" that is ingesting some of that dispersed oil, other sea life might be consuming those bacteria and that might not be so healthy. Also, "dead zones" tend to form where those oil eating bacteria are thriving because they are anerobic bacteria [nothing else lives in dead zones].
In other words, it is not over just because we cannot see oil on the beaches, even if that is what media and BP wants us to believe.
The oil and gas from the Biloxi Dome area has not stopped flowing. It's an oil exploration well which blew out on or about February 13, 2010 so severely that it deposited the Blow Out Preventer (BOP) and the steel well casing hundreds of yards away on the ocean floor. There is nothing there to cap or abate the oil flow with. It's an open hole that is nothing less than an oil, gas and tar volcano. While a certain leaking BP well may have been capped seven miles northeast of the Biloxi Dome area, an already large underwater lake of oil at an approximate 3,000 foot depth is rapidly growing each hour. It's estimated 9 mile length in May 2010 is surely dwarfed in size now"
I must have been sleeping when this happened. I clipped the above from this site (dated Aug 10) -
"As for Obama's swim, on August 16, the London Independent reported that Obama and his daughter Sasha, swam in a private Panama City Beach, a FL beach off Alligator Point in St. Andrews Bay, NOT in the Gulf. Reporters were banned no video permitted. 'So only the White House photographers were allowed to capture proceedings.
The official picture was intended to provide evidence that the region's beaches are back to normal.'..."
I was going to post this to the thread about what Obama was up against. I suppose one answer to that question would be first and foremost his own mendacity. Pity he was the only shark swimming there that day..
The Gulf of Mexico ecosystem was ready and waiting for something like the Deepwater Horizon blowout, and seems to have made the most of it, a new scientific study suggests.
Petroleum-eating bacteria - which had dined for eons on oil seeping naturally through the sea floor - proliferated in the cloud of oil that drifted underwater for months after the April 20 accident. They not only outcompeted fellow microbes, they each ramped up their own internal metabolic machinery to digest the oil as efficiently as possible.
The result was a nature-made cleanup crew capable of reducing the amount of oil in the undersea "plume" by half about every three days, according to research published online Tuesday by the journal Science.
The findings, by a team of scientists led by Terry C. Hazen of the Lawrence Berkeley National Laborator, in California, help explain one of the biggest mysteries of the disaster - where has all the oil gone?
"What we know about the degradation rates fits with what we are seeing in the last three weeks," Hazen said. "We've gone out to the sites and we don't find any oil but we do find the bacteria."
It faces billions of dollars worth of compensation claims over the disaster.
Transocean dismissed BP's report, accusing the oil giant of having designed a "fatally flawed" well and making "cost-saving decisions that increased risk - in some cases, severely".
"This is a self-serving report that attempts to conceal the critical factor that set the stage for the Macondo (well) incident: BP's fatally flawed well design," the Swiss-based group said in a statement."
Several million Transocian shares were bought up by the Ontario Teacher's Pension Plan when share values were halved after the accident. Making sure that BP is the target of litigation would be a prudent move on Transocean's part.
"Some interesting facts I know. Methane just has to attain 5% of the air volume to be explosive ….and it burns at a temperature just under that of an atomic bomb ….the combustion product is carbon monoxide…the simple friction of the earth or a spark can ignite it (methane)."
You should check the sources of your facts. Like all hydrocarbons, the usual combustion products of methane are carbon dioxide and water. I don't think it would be a very good cooking fuel (i.e. natural gas), if it burned as hot as an atomic bomb.
BP Oil Disaster WORST CASE SCENARIO w/ Kindra Arnesen, BP Community Liaison
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vpJVELKPPM&feature=player_embedded
Project Gulf Impact
http://www.projectgulfimpact.com/
Cause if anyone knows about efficiency, it's someone who used to run BP -
The British government appointed Lord Browne, the former CEO of BP, as a new “super-director” to cut waste and increase the efficiency of the British government machine in Whitehall.
In a controlled experiment using catalysts sure the products would be co2 and water but in an INCOMPLETE combustion…. IE in the air or a furnace in your home (natural gas) or the atmosphere CO ( carbon monoxide ) is produced instead of co2 as in this situation.
Methane in AIR burns @ 2000 C ..yep 2 thousand..
In the case of natural gas going to your stove top ....a variety of methods usually requiring pressure valves and special nozzles are used to reduce the intense heat...not to mention the addition of other additives and specialized heat exchangers etc.
I don't blame you for jumping to conclusions as methane and it's byproducts are one of the most covered up compounds you'll run into. For plenty of reasons. The big one being it makes up a huge percentage of so called natural gas and as we all now it's piped into everyones homes...can't panic the people now can we.
The other reasons are to due to it's use as a weapon...study FAE ( fuel air explosives) and "daisy cutters"and you'll get a pretty good grip on what your local gas company injects in your home and that furthur ...everyone has access to. Government and oil/gas companies are as thick as thieves and misinformation and disinformation are tools that serve them well.
If you don't believe me just look at this gulf oil BP fiasco as an example and that's with a zillion media outlets on their ass. Typically they usually have media by the short ones and cover up everything real good...and that's all oil/gas companies .
Incidently a Nagasaki or Hroshima type A- bomb produced a temperature under the fireball @ 7000 F…or 3800 C. Either way the poor people could be incinerated .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkM5eyN8ytI&feature=user
BP, Government Blocking Press from Reporting their 'Ballet at Sea'
http://www.worldcantwait.net/index.php/home-mainmenu-289/6491-bp-governm...
"The federal government has sided with BP and helped BP obstruct press freedom.."
I suspect any gas in the air over the Gulf has weakened in its potential for explosive power simply because the Gulf winds disperse these gases substantially and in doing so they get broken down even further. Unless I see a credible source to the contrary, it's my opinion that the potential for a catastrophic explosive event remains unlikely. I hope there's very little potential for such an event, at any rate.
Question: what is the proven reserves of oil near the leak in the Gulf? How much longer can this go on?
If the Coast Guard has its way, all media, not just independent writers and photographers like myself and Jerry Moran, will be fined $40,000 and receive Class D felony convictions for providing the truth about oiled birds and dolphins, in addition to broken, filthy, unmanned boom material that is trapping oil in the marshlands and estuaries.
What about the First Amendment?
Yeah, that's like free assembly in Toronto. An inalienable right until you exercise it.
They can still write about it all they want from prison.
Are they just days away from completing the relief well? Maybe have it stopped before the end of July?
Ahh, but then the cleanup. And the anoxic ocean water [lacking oxygen] will grow and grow, dead zones will become monstrous. It is so hard to be optomistic isn't it.
Today the oil stopped flowing for the first time in almost 90 days.
The fact that they designed a "capping stack" that actually works after 90 days of spilling means that they were improvising.
BP and other deep sea oil drillers should have had this equipment designed and fully tested years ago, BEFORE they first started drilling in water this deep {over 500 feet deep}.
No contingency plan nothing. It's ridiculous. Heads should roll.
Doomsday Methane Bubble Rupture?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=20131
"Most disturbing of all: Methane levels in the water are now calculated being almost one million times higher than normal.."
These cracks in the ocean floor was the stated reason for not capping the well off earlier - they were saying that oil and gas might come bubbling up if they just capped it. So why are they capping it now? - probably because the relief wells are close and if the gas and oil comes bubbling up through the cracks they can just plug it below where those cracks are.
But they don't really know how deep the cracks go - there could be cracks lower than the relief well bore is, and if so the relief wells won't stop the oil and gas from bubbling up. That is not very likely though, cracks just don't go that deep very often.
Methane becomes a liquid when under enough pressure, or if it is cold enough. Methane in water can crystalise under the right conditions. Link> http://theobligatescientist.blogspot.com/2010/05/methane-hydrate-crystal...
Letting the pressure off, as all the wells in the Gulf are doing by removing oil and gas from the pools beneath the Gulf, could turn liquid methane to gas and it will all come bubbling out, as the article proposes.
But that "40,000 psi" pressure reading is stunning too. They are not telling the TV audience about that. They say 6000 to 8000 psi is what they hope for, and that readings are below 8000 psi. At least that is all I have heard.
It looks as though fishers who have been working on oil spill cleanup will have been working for free all this time.
Fishermen in Mississippi say they are angry that under the terms of BP's $20 billion oil spill fund, money they earn doing clean-up will be subtracted from their claim against the company.
The Source of our Despair
http://dahrjamailiraq.com/the-source-of-our-despair
"With a new containment cap atop the damaged well, many are hopeful. But all is not well, after all..."
'Seep' Found near Capped BP Oil Well
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=135350§ionid=3510203
"Bad news is trickling in for oil giant BP and its capped oil well in the Gulf of Mexico, as a seep and possible methane have reportedly been detected near its busted well.."
In the first few days after BP's Deepwater Horizon wellhead exploded, spewing crude oil into the Gulf of Mexico, cleanup workers could be seen on Louisiana beaches wearing scarlet pants and white t-shirts with the words "Inmate Labor" printed in large red block letters. Coastal residents, many of whom had just seen their livelihoods disappear, expressed outrage at community meetings; why should BP be using cheap or free prison labor when so many people were desperate for work? The outfits disappeared overnight.
The outfits disappeared but the prison workers didn't.
BP chief executive Tony Hayward will get an immediate annual pension worth about £600,000 ($930,000) when he leaves in October, the BBC has learned.
I wish I could get fired like this.
Yep, screws the planet and gets rewarded....as opposed to standing trial....
As the saying goes, you're only worth what you negotiate. I'm sure he had a (very expensive) law firm go through his contract when he took the job (and I'm willing to guarantee that contract will also require BP to pay for his lawyers to go through his severance agreement with a fine tooth comb).
http://www.grist.org/article/2010-07-27-greenpeace-shuts-down-30-london-...
"Day 100"
Now that the relief well is ready to be used to plug the monster, and the oil is no longer flowing, the message in the media is that "it isn't so bad after all because the bacteria are degrading the oil in the water".
I am happy to hear that, and I might believe it because conditions ARE good for degradation as compared to the cold waters of the Exxon spill, but I wonder if that bacterial action is actually changing the oil into a harmless form?
When the bacteria consume the oil in the water, and other life forms consume that bacteria, and so on up the chain, is there still a TOXIC quality to it? Are oil toxins accumulating in "the bigger fish"?Or do the bacteria somehow change the chemistry of oil to make it harmless?
And where those oil-eating bacteria are thriving, is that also some kind of "Dead Zone"? Will it become one? Are those bacteria anerobic types, or are they oxygen based?
We are not going to hear much about these questions if the press is being restricted as pointed out above, where reporters are being threatened with jail and large fines for reporting on oiled birds and so on. Come to think of it, it has been a few weeks since we have seen any new pictures of oiled Herons, etc. What about those dead turtles - no photos!!
THEREFORE, WE CANNOT BELIEVE ANYTHING BEING REPORTED ABOUT THE NEGATIVE EFFECTS OF THE OIL. {outrage}
Denial, or deniability, is being spilled all over the media this morning as BP announces that "3/4 of the oil is gone from the Gulf" in that it has been "burned, collected, evaporated, or dispersed".
Key word: "DISPERSED".
In the real world, it is not gone. BP just wants us all to believe it is gone, but in fact there is about 25% of the spilled oil [over 1 million barrels] that is in the form of small droplets in those plumes at various depths in the Gulf waters.
Sea life does not get to pretend that those plumes of oil are gone, they are ingesting it. As for the "oil-eating bacteria" that is ingesting some of that dispersed oil, other sea life might be consuming those bacteria and that might not be so healthy. Also, "dead zones" tend to form where those oil eating bacteria are thriving because they are anerobic bacteria [nothing else lives in dead zones].
In other words, it is not over just because we cannot see oil on the beaches, even if that is what media and BP wants us to believe.
"NO END IN SIGHT
The oil and gas from the Biloxi Dome area has not stopped flowing. It's an oil exploration well which blew out on or about February 13, 2010 so severely that it deposited the Blow Out Preventer (BOP) and the steel well casing hundreds of yards away on the ocean floor. There is nothing there to cap or abate the oil flow with. It's an open hole that is nothing less than an oil, gas and tar volcano. While a certain leaking BP well may have been capped seven miles northeast of the Biloxi Dome area, an already large underwater lake of oil at an approximate 3,000 foot depth is rapidly growing each hour. It's estimated 9 mile length in May 2010 is surely dwarfed in size now"
I must have been sleeping when this happened. I clipped the above from this site (dated Aug 10) -
http://worldvisionportal.org/wvpforum/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=940#p2272
More very interesting info about the Biloxi Dome is here http://worldvisionportal.org/wvpforum/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=931
Uncovering the Lies That Are Sinking the Oil
http://www.truthout.org/uncovering-lies-that-are-sinking-oil62345
"You can't say the oil is gone, it's right here! Them saying it's not here is a bunch of bullshit.."
Obama's Gulf Swim Was Fake
http://www.countercurrents.org/lendman160810.htm
"As for Obama's swim, on August 16, the London Independent reported that Obama and his daughter Sasha, swam in a private Panama City Beach, a FL beach off Alligator Point in St. Andrews Bay, NOT in the Gulf. Reporters were banned no video permitted. 'So only the White House photographers were allowed to capture proceedings.
The official picture was intended to provide evidence that the region's beaches are back to normal.'..."
I was going to post this to the thread about what Obama was up against. I suppose one answer to that question would be first and foremost his own mendacity. Pity he was the only shark swimming there that day..
wow, just wow.
The drilling firm whose rig sank to the floor of the Gulf of Mexico is challenging BPs version of events, as explained in a BBC story:
"Contractors who worked for BP on the ill-fated Deepwater Horizon oil rig have criticised the company's report into the Gulf of Mexico oil spill.
Drilling firm Transocean branded the report "self serving" while cement contractor Halliburton said it contained "omissions and inaccuracies".
BP blamed a "sequence of failures involving a number of different parties" for the spill.
Continue reading the main story
US Oil SpillIt faces billions of dollars worth of compensation claims over the disaster.
Transocean dismissed BP's report, accusing the oil giant of having designed a "fatally flawed" well and making "cost-saving decisions that increased risk - in some cases, severely".
"This is a self-serving report that attempts to conceal the critical factor that set the stage for the Macondo (well) incident: BP's fatally flawed well design," the Swiss-based group said in a statement."
Several million Transocian shares were bought up by the Ontario Teacher's Pension Plan when share values were halved after the accident. Making sure that BP is the target of litigation would be a prudent move on Transocean's part.