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Where is my electric car? part 2

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A continuation of this thread where we very briefly touched on the subject of flying cars.

 

I remember reading somewhere that it was mentioned that the 'flying car' would never be tolerated because it could become a huge security problem with regard to country borders.

 

That made me think of this article about the early airplane industry: The Aviator

 

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McCurdy joined what they called the "aeronautical circus," and did shows (for $500 each) in almost every major city east of the Mississippi - in D.C., he circled the Washington Monument; in Brooklyn and Palm Beach, he became the first pilot to transmit and receive wireless signals on board; in Ontario, he won a race from Hamilton to Toronto against another member of the flying fraternity by cutting over the lake. Accidents, many fatal, abounded on the circuit and McCurdy had his share of close calls. In Chicago, his plane caught fire after coming into contact with live wires. In Allentown, Pennsylvania, his motor stopped 800 feet in the air, and wind capsized the plane, before he righted it and glided to a violent landing. McCurdy continued to believe the plane would play a role in future wars, and in exhibitions he would drop oranges, which he called bombs, on targets identified as battleships to prove his point. Some Japanese observers at a U.S. airshow took note, and wasted no time placing orders for planes on behalf of their military.

 

Even the onset of the First World War didn't change the mind of the Canadian government, though, with Sam Hughes, the minister of militia and defence, blustering at McCurdy: "The aeroplane is an invention of the devil and will never play any part in such a serious business as the defence of the nation." "I am sure," the young man said quietly, "you will live to regret those words, General Hughes."

 

 

 

ETA: if there's ever flying cars, they'd probably go to the military first.Frown


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A reminder from the earlier thread, originally posted by Dreamfilm:

 

 

Just wanted to let you all know about a documentary you'll be interested to see. It's called X-CARS and it airs Thursday Jan 6th on Discovery Channel Canada. 8pm ET and 9pm PT. It's about a group of guys from Maple Ridge, BC who built an innovative (mostly) electric car called the eVaro and competed in the Progressive Insurance Automotive X PRIZE competition. Check it out at www.x-cars.ca 

 

(that's tonight)


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Electric cars, flying cars... how about this:

A U of T engineering student has become the first ever to fly a human-powered “ornithopter”

 

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Last August, in Tottenham, Ontario, Reichert became the first person to fulfil the vision Leonardo DaVinci set down in his notebooks in 1485 - of flying a human-powered vehicle through the air like a bird. "This is the original aeronautical dream," Reichert says. "Humans have always wanted to fly like birds."


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Hey Boom Boom, just to let you know, all caps in thread titles is a no-no. So I've changed it. I think the other one wasn't changed because CF and I were on break and we let it go.

Now, we're back on the job. Let the fun-squelching begin.


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   Great! - the electric car market appears to be opening up slightly. The espionage at Renault is an indication of that.

The article also says that Renault is getting serious about EVs -

Quote: "Renault aims to become the first volume automaker to make electric vehicles available to the mass market and, with Japanese alliance partner Nissan Motor Co., is jointly investing 4 billion euros ($5.3 billion) in EV programs.

Renault plans to build more than 200,000 EVs a year by 2015-2016. This year, the automaker will launch three EVs in Europe -- the Fluence sedan, Kangoo delivery van and the two-seat Twizy. Nissan currently is rolling out its Leaf electric hatchback globally."

I like the Leaf; they may soon be available in Canada!

 EV me!!

 


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Given the choice, I'd much rather take one of these:

over a greenwashed electic car any day of the week.

Not because it consumes incredible amounts of fuel, but because it's honest. Electric and "hybrid" cars are a way for well-off consumers to continue to consume, but without all that icky guilt about killing cute polar bears.

In fact, the electric car would do nothing to stop (and may even encourage) the rampant sprawl that is a consequence of car ownership.

At least that Fury has style. And, it can kill you if you piss it off. Just ask Moochie Welch.


Fidel
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Now that's a nice car! My gas guzzling '89 Fleetwood winterbeater has all kinds of electrics on-board. It's very electrical. I spend a lot of time figuring out how to shut them off.


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Cheer jingles, it's nice to see someone calling the electric car for what it is...suppression of guilt for consumption.  The ultimate answer to the 'how do we keep consuming while feeling good about it?' question


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Electric vehicles are here.  Where I live, I see people riding/driving them on the road almost everyday.  And, don't forget about compressed air vehicles.

http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/dandv/vehicle/emerging/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compressed_air_car

http://www.tigertruck.com/electric/star/

http://www.rapidelectricvehicles.com/

http://www.purolator.com/media/news/may_27_05.html

http://www.zenncars.com/

Companies are converting fleet vehicles to electric.


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dp


Boom Boom
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Electric motorcycles have been around for a few years, here is what I think is the best:

Brammo Empulse All Electric Motorcycle


radiorahim
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Last summer I along with a certain ex-babble mod purchased e-bikes or as some would call them e-scooters.   We ride them back and forth to work every day and love them!   Top speed regulated here in Ontario at 32 kph and 60 km on a full charge.   We just plug them in when we get home from work and we're all ready for the next day.


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Electric motorcyles are out of my price range, but I'm looking at getting a GIANT electric bicycle.

 

(anyone else getting weird formatting tonight?) 


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Been reading about a coming jump in the cost of electricity not only here in Quebec, but elsewhere as well. I wonder what that will do to purchases of electric cars - can't be good.


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Actually, BOOM, electric cars could actually help the electric grid. Plugging them in during off-peak hours late at night [using timers] will not be a drain on the grid when demand is highest. Also, there is the idea that EVs could be used as electricity storage somehow, with the idea of making the grid more efficient.

News this week past said the Nissan Leaf and the Volt were excellent in crash safety testing.

So, NOPE - no drawbacks, low cost, helps reduce CO2 emissions -

   But WHERE THE HECK IS MY ELECTRIC CAR?? - it is MAY now, FIVE months into 2011, and I have yet to see an electric car. Or even an ad for an electric car, which is weird because every other new car gets a big promotion campaign. Maybe it is because there is a LONG WAITING LIST for EVs??

 


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Wish I had the $9,000 for a electric motorcycle - they look great!  I'm going to price electric scooters next.


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They're coming, they're expensive, and they're subsidized

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Volt buyers in Quebec are eligible for an $8,000 provincial sweetener for being among the first to adopt the pricier electric technology, while Ontario Volt owners will receive an $8,230 rebate, making for an effective starting price of $33,315. In comparison, the Leaf's starting price of $38,395 (including navi and Bluetooth) will become $29,895 after its maximum $8,500 Ontario rebate is factored in, or $32,395 for the fully loaded Leaf SL model with quick charge port, before freight, dealer fees and taxes.

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Remember that the plug-in Volt's main claim to fame is that it simply switches to gasoline-derived electricity once the 40-80 km worth of plug-in battery juice is depleted, allowing it to travel up to 580 km on a full tank and charge, making spontaneous trips to the cottage or Niagara Falls a range-anxiety-free affair. But this also means having two power sources on board, the Volt's 16 kW battery and the 1.4-litre four-cylinder engine, which in theory should make the Volt significantly pricier than the (Nissan) Leaf and it's battery-only design.


Bubbles
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Why is the Ontario government subsidizing the sale of elecric cars?

Is it not in the automotive multinationals own interest to promote more efficient and environmentaly friendly cars?

Would a NDP government put a stop to that?

Seems to me it would be more rational to put in a tax on polution.


KenS
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I'm not clear Bubbles.

What is the relation between your fist and second questions?


Boom Boom
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Bubbles, I think the $8,000 subsidy is an obvious bribe to get folks to switch from regular to hybrid or all-electric cars. If enough people hop on to the idea of electric (or hybrid) then presumably 1) pollution will be cut and 2) less gas will be consumed - two very good goals indeed, although I suppose it is indeed debateable as to whether a $8,000 bribe is the best way to further these goals. Why do you think a NDP gov't should put a stop to this? Is a tax on pollution (carbon tax?) indeed the better way? Or would it just breed resentment in voters and a downfall of the gov't in the next election?


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Bubbles
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KenS wrote:

I'm not clear Bubbles.

What is the relation between your fist and second questions?

 

I am just wondering why the Ontario government, of all things, is subsidizing the use of electricity, when so much of their elecricity is still derived from coal and uranium and they are subsidizing solar electricity to the tune of 50 to 70 cent per kilowatt hour. I have not done the math but can you imagine if a million gas guslers get replaced by electric cars in Ontario what that will do to the governments budget and or the environment.

With the inevitable higher and higher gas prices the automotive industry has a huge motivation to remain in their market, the onus is on them, I would think, to prove that they can remain an alternative to public transit and rail service.


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Good point - more electric vehicles means more demands on the electric grid. Not such a problem here in Quebec where we're actually exporting hydroelectricity.


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Gasoline Prices and EVs

   "Demand" is a major factor in the price of gasoline right now.

  One of the factors for demand is that US inventories are low [earlier this year Pres. Obama released much of that inventory to help keep the price low, which delayed this price rise].

   Another factor of the current increased demand on gasoline supply, and hence the price rise, is that this is "driving season" in the USA.

   All that is just to say that yes, in fact, DEMAND is a major factor in the current high price of gasoline. My real point is about how EVs will help us avoid this situation.

   When just 1% of people drive EVs, the demand for gasoline will drop, and therefore the price of it will drop.


Etc ramble:
     Not only that, but of course by driving an electric vehicle ["EV"] you simply avoid the high price of gasoline altogether.
 * Secondly, your CO2 footprint is reduced, if that matters to you then get an EV [it surely matters to you if you believe that CO2 increases ocean acidification and accellerates global warming].
 * Thirdly, your accelleration is amazing with an EV - all the power goes to the wheels right away, unlike that delayed reaction of internal combustion engines [the Tesla Roadster EV goes "0 to 100" more quickly than a Lambourgini. just 4.6 sec].
 * A FOURTH advantage of EVs is the quietness while driving, if you like quiet, but if not then the EV car stereo even sounds better than stereos in cars with a gasoline engine because it isn't competing with the engine noise.
 * FIFTH is the smell of exhaust - toxins aside, the smell is gagging enough to want an EV. Okay, I am stretching for ideas here... just please let me have an EV!! Where the %(# are they??






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To those who have an electric scooter - do you need a motorcycle license to operate it?


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Not electric, but still worthy of attention:

Volkswagen 1-Liter Car

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The 1-litre car is powered by a one-cylinder diesel engine, centrally positioned in front of the rear axle and combined with an automated direct shift gearbox. The crankcase and cylinder head of the 0.3-litre engine are of an aluminium monobloc construction.

The naturally aspirated, direct-injection diesel engine employs advanced high-pressure unit injection technology to generate 6.3 kW (8.5 bhp) at 4,000 rpm. This gives the vehicle, which weights just 290 kg, an astonishingly lively temperament.

Fuel consumption is a mere 0.99 litre per 100 kilometres. With a 6.5-litre tank, this gives a range of some 650 kilometres without refuelling.


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A lovely People's Car!! - but isn't it going to be difficult to fit a person into a "1 liter car"?

Anyway, whatever saves gasoline for one person helps bring down the cost of gasoline for everyone - hey, thats a lot like socialism!!

 


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It's a two seater, inline. I'm not sure I'd ever take it onto the highway, too light maybe to stand up to crosswinds. Plus, it's such a small vehicle that a big truck right behind you might not see you at all. Would make a good city/suburbs commuter, maybe.


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Electric does not have to be dull: Silent but deadly

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Of course, it’s not as if there have been many bikes to challenge that title. But, it’s progress – electric bikes are getting faster and faster, and their batteries are lasting longer and longer. Zero-emissions races like the TTXGP series will only serve to advance motorcycle technology the same way that gasoline-powered races have done already for over a century.


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