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I just learned last night that this campaign was started 10 years ago by Tarana Burke

http://www.ebony.com/news-views/black-woman-me-too-movement-tarana-burke...

As for this current wave, it is good to see women speaking out. Not so good to see all the waffling and pushback against what is a pretty simple message.

Though not surprising to see yet another version of "not all men".

If we took half the drama over who has also suffered, and been unfairly accused and put it into considering the ways in which at least some of these things apply to us, we might begin to get the point. Because no, we men don't experience this every day, and when it does happen to us we are less likely to be blamed and disbelieved. This is a systemic problem overwhelmingly driven by men, and primarily directed at women, and all of us contribute to it to some degree.

https://amp.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2017/oct/16/a-simple-list-of-th...

 

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Fight the power.

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Wonder how much Leanne Nicolle is going to use the government for, for the abuse she had to endure. Not only did that monster Aubut compliment her appearance, he asked for hugs too. Should be worth a couple of million. 

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Harassment can happen at any level. You're more likely to try to put up with it if it's a great gig and worry that you'll be ridiculed - as is being done here - for doing something about it. There are guys who are just a little handsy, huggy, etc. always letting you know that they notice this or that about you, which can be shrugged off as just being nice and complimentary, but after a while you feel overly scrutinized. All kinds of deniability. it's amazing, though, how it's not happening with the men in the workplace. Just the women. 

Because there's nothing creepy or untoward about it at all. 

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Bill Clinton: A Reckoning

Feminists saved the 42nd president of the United States in the 1990s. They were on the wrong side of history; is it finally time to make things right?

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2017/11/reckoning-with...

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Margaret Sullivan: Ugly echo chamber of Hannity and Breitbart is why women wait so long to report abuse

Why would any other woman, seeing what’s happened in the past week, ever come forward again?

http://www.sltrib.com/opinion/commentary/2017/11/13/margaret-sullivan-ug...

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Member of David Cameron's team accused of groping TV writer's breast at No 10

Daisy Goodwin has claimed the man touched her after she was 'summoned' to Downing Street to talk about a TV show

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-cameron-team-groping...

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How Roy Moore’s Misdeeds Are Forcing an Awakening on the Left

Years of excusing Bill Clinton’s sexual misconduct suddenly seems morally indefensible.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/14/roy-moore-allegations...

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Congress paid out $15 million in settlements. Here's why we know so little about that money.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/16/politics/settlements-congress-sexual-haras...

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Sadly, Al Franken.

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And he should already have resigned!

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Like Trump, he did because he could get away with it

George Bush Snr accused of groping by eighth woman

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41987895

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Why is it an accident!

The Pentagon accidentally retweets call for Trump to resign

http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-42023605

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Trump attacks Senator Al Franken after grope allegation

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42018154

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Lawyers call White House sexual harassment policy 'useless'

The executive office of the president, which is shielded under a 2002 law from reporting harassment allegations, offers employees bare-bones instructions on dealing with problems.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/17/lawyers-call-white-house-sexua...

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Why Trump won’t touch the Moore harassment scandal

The president who can’t seem to resist controversy steers conspicuously clear of this one.

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/16/trump-roy-moore-scandal-245559

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Ohio Supreme Court Judge Bill O'Neill brags of sex conquests

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-42032731

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Sean Hannity Should Probably Shut Up About Sexual Assault

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sean-hannity-should-probably-shut-up-about-sexual-assault

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Pondering

This is all great for famous people but doesn't help the average woman at all although I'm not sure what will.

The only reason Trudeau was able to dismiss the two MPs is because they are MPs. In a normal workplace nothing would have happened to them because the women were unwilling to make a complaint.

Only reason Ghomeshi lost his job is because he is famous.

I don't normally fault women for not making complaints but on the other hand if they won't speak up what can anyone do (unless they witness). If women won't complain for fear of what might happen (valid) they can't a man also fear for his job if he steps forward, and if he steps forward when the women doesn't want to make a complaint is he not overriding her wishes?

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Maybe it's time for a boycott of Alabama made products. 

Dispatch from Alabama: 'Roy Moore plays into the stereotypes the rest of the world has about us'

Many Alabama Republicans remain loyal to the embattled Senate candidate – but others resent the way Moore’s behaviour reinforces the cliches about their state

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/18/alabama-roy-moore-dispatch

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I believe her.

Mad Men creator Matthew Weiner says allegations against him 'are not true'

Former Mad Men writer and consulting producer Marti Noxon stood by Gordon’s claimson Friday, calling their former boss an “emotional terrorist” who spread “fear and uncertainty” among his staff. “I believe her,” Noxon tweeted. “I was at work with her the day after what she described transpired. I remember clearly how shaken and subdued Kater was — and continued to be from that day on.”

 

 

http://ew.com/tv/2017/11/17/matthew-weiner-addresses-allegations-not-true/

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Bill Maher is saying the wrong thing at the wrong time

Bill Maher: Al Franken shouldn't be 'lumped in' with Roy Moore

http://ew.com/tv/2017/11/18/bill-maher-al-franken-roy-moore-donald-trump/

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Christian Support for Roy Moore ‘Looks Like Hypocrisy to the Outside World’

Recent allegations against the aspiring Alabama senator fit a long and complicated history of religious debates about sex.

 

Before this month, Roy Moore was best known nationally for refusing to remove a Ten Commandments monument from the Alabama state supreme-court building. Now, the aspiring senator is accused of hitting on teens at an Alabama mall and inappropriately touching a 14-year-old girl.

These allegations may be the end of Moore. Congressional Republicans have started disowning him, and he’s tentatively dropping in state polls. But it’s possible that the reputation of evangelical Christians will also suffer. Despite condemnations from a number of nationally prominent Christian leaders and a few in Alabama, many of the state’s faithful continue to back the controversial candidate.

To outsiders, the support might seem like a stark contradiction in values. Even to insiders, it can seem that way. “I’m … bothered,” wrote William S. Brewbaker III, a law professor at the University of Alabama, in The New York Times, “by what Mr. Moore’s popularity says about the sorry state of evangelical Christianity.”

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The Evangelical Reckoning Over Donald Trump

The Moore scandal is part of a long history of complicated sexual politics in the Christian world. In her new book, Moral Combat, the Washington University in St. Louis professor Marie Griffith writes about American Christians’ battles over sexual harassment, birth control, and gender roles. This fall’s wave of sexual-assault accusations has often seemed to echo the past, bringing to mind Anita Hill’s accusations about Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas and Paula Jones’s allegations against former President Bill Clinton. Incidents like these, Griffith writes, all get tied up in the distinctive sexual politics of the Christian world.

The book—which covers much more than sexual-harassment scandals, including everything from Margaret Sanger’s legacy at Planned Parenthood to Alfred Kinsey’s obsession with clergy—comes out in December. Our conversation has been edited for length and clarity.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/evangelicals-sexual...

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I don't know why everyone gets so worked up about hypocrisy. Here in Canada, we owe our existence to genocide, but consider ourselves a loving, caring country.

Do as I say, not as I do, as Mommy always used to say. Hypocrisy is as human as going to the bathroom.

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Alabama Gov: Roy Moore May Be a Child Molester, But At Least He’s Not a Democrat
 

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2017/11/18/alabama-gov-roy-...

MegB

Pondering wrote:

This is all great for famous people but doesn't help the average woman at all although I'm not sure what will.

Only reason Ghomeshi lost his job is because he is famous.

Ghomeshi lost his job because a woman was willing to go public with it. All charges against him were dropped by the crown because he is famous.

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I don't normally fault women for not making complaints but on the other hand if they won't speak up what can anyone do (unless they witness). If women won't complain for fear of what might happen (valid) they can't a man also fear for his job if he steps forward, and if he steps forward when the women doesn't want to make a complaint is he not overriding her wishes?

The reasons women don't report sexual assault and harassment are complex. A conversation with a willing survivor might enlighten you.

I think the whole conversation around what women should or should not do is bullshit. It's not our fault, it's not our responsibility. Create a safe environment where abusers can be reported without blowback against the victim and you'll hear more from women and their allies. And, you know what else would be helpful? Get men to stop being sexist assholes. That would be really great. Even better? Men who aren't sexist assholes offering to help deal with the problem. 

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Very well said MegB. Thanks for your imput.

Pondering

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Only reason Ghomeshi lost his job is because he is famous.

MegB wrote:
Ghomeshi lost his job because a woman was willing to go public with it. All charges against him were dropped by the crown because he is famous. 

If Ghomeshi wasn't famous he wouldn't have lost his job. The Star wouldn't have done an investigation finding multiple victims. There would have been no article. Ghomeshi wouldn't have been called on the carpet. You think a woman working in a carpet factory going public against a high level executive without any proof would get him fired?

Most men will never have to face their day in court but the court of public opinion is becoming a very effective tool for punishing the famous. Kevin Spacey is ruined even if he is still rich.

MegB wrote:
The reasons women don't report sexual assault and harassment are complex. A conversation with a willing survivor might enlighten you.

What makes you think I'm not one? Are you aware of the statistics? Even as a survivor I don't have the answer.

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 I think the whole conversation around what women should or should not do is bullshit. It's not our fault, it's not our responsibility.

No shit. People still aren't mind readers. If we don't report, as I didn't report, then it's difficult for anyone to take action.

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  Create a safe environment where abusers can be reported without blowback against the victim and you'll hear more from women and their allies.

Easier said than done. Example number 1, the House of Commons. Two female lawmakers who were unwilling to speak even in complete confidence, to the people who could make a difference. Men who were willing to step up, in both political parties, but were forbidden to by the women. It was such an open secret on the grapevine that the women involved were identifiable. We aren't even talking about taking legal steps. They weren't even willing to lodge a confidential complaint.

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 And, you know what else would be helpful? Get men to stop being sexist assholes. That would be really great. 

Well I'm so happy you know how to accomplish that. Would you mind sharing?

MegB wrote:
 Even better? Men who aren't sexist assholes offering to help deal with the problem.  

Many are more than willing but the women have to be willing to be helped. If a man doesn't know what is happening, or a woman objects to his involvement, he either does nothing or is guilty of overriding her wishes.

It will take both men and women to end sexual intimidation and assault. Of course we want to set up systems as victim friendly as possible but ultimately women have to come forward with complaints. Men and women who are not famous don't have the same access to social and economic retribution against men who victimize them. It is because Weinstein is famous that the complaints against him have stacked up. One report opened the dam. Then others realized that they were unlikely to be the only victim so they too reported. Notice the avalanche of reports is of famous people? Surely this must be happening outside the world of the rich and famous.

I am not blaming women for not coming forward. I am looking for practical answers. For example perhaps a crisis centre could compile complaints so that if one person started getting mutiple complaints those people could be contacted, with their consent of course, to see if a case could be built on commonality of experience. Perhaps something similar could be set up for workplace harrassment. This also connects to the issue of whistleblower protection.

I am not the enemy.

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I hope more Canadian victims feel emboldened to name powerful abusers. 

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Men have a big role to play here by being supportive of women who come forward - we don't need 10 women to say a man is an abuser before the woman is believed and the abuse gets addressed. And in the locker room,  as scary as that might be, everywhere actually, men need to challenge other men as well. If we can do it to smokers, to drunk drivers, we can do it to male abusers too.

Sweden’s Proponent of ‘Feminist Foreign Policy,’ Shaped by Abuse

 

STOCKHOLM — More than three decades ago, in a town in Sweden, a man grabbed his girlfriend by the hair and threw her against a wardrobe door with such force that a clump of hair came off in his hand.

She was in her early 20s, a rising activist in the Social Democratic Party. Later, when she broke off the relationship, he barged into her room with a switchblade, cutting a slit in her T-shirt. He traced a line on her throat, leaving a small scratch on her chin. Then he stopped what he was doing and walked out the door, leaving her frozen, in a state of shock.

At 63, that woman, Margot Wallstrom, is now Sweden’s foreign minister, one of her country’s most popular — and provocative — politicians.

She stands out among the men who guide the foreign affairs of the world’s powerful nations. Raised in the rural north of the country, the daughter of a sawmill worker, she never attended college.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/17/world/europe/margot-wallstrom-sweden....

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Aled Jones taken off air by BBC over sexual harassment claim

Radio and TV presenter says he is ‘deeply sorry’ for any upset caused but strongly denies allegation of inappropriate contact

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/aled-jones-bbc-axed-sexual-harassme...

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The Democrats are losing a lot of support on the sexual abuse issue by trying to defend Bill Clinton's actions. Hillary & Bill need to go away, and the sooner the better.

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The Democrats are losing a lot of support on the sexual abuse issue by trying to defend Bill Clinton's actions. Hillary & Bill need to go away, and the sooner the better.

I love that you put Hillary first.

If only ONE of them could "go away", who would you choose, NR?

In other news, Lena Dunham managed to really step in it (possibly even take a running jump into it) but don't worry folks, she's mumbling some sort of half-apology thingy.  This from a woman who bragged about the time she fingered her little sister for lulz.

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Moore accuser: 'I wonder how many more me's he doesn't know'

 

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/20/leigh-corfman-roy-moore-accuse...

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Epidemic anyone?

Star New York Times reporter suspended for alleged sexual misconduct

 

 

http://money.cnn.com/2017/11/20/media/glenn-thrush-new-york-times-allega...

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Donald Trump is making America safe for sexual predators

 

https://ipolitics.ca/2017/11/19/donald-trump-making-america-safe-sexual-...

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Charlie Rose’s career is over!

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