Women as an identifiable group under attack: Part 2
November 28, 2009 - 11:12am
continued from here
... am going to link to 20 days/20 ways, as day 13 indicates violence against women in the work place has gone up 40%, in the last 10 years.
And that figure is alarming, hugely alarming as a matter of fact, and has many rammifications.
Last night on the CBC news from Vancouver, the coverage of the story, in Calgary, where the husband/father murdered the children, and was trying to murder the wife when the police got there, had the police noting that domestic violence against both women and children is increasing, and it is the most actioned crime by police across Canada.
It was a relatively quiet day in Tegucigalpa. Terror will do that.
Merlin Equiqure, one of the founders of a feminist movement that has been on the front lines of the coup resistance in spite of a powerfully patriarchal social structure, remains under arrest tonight without the possibility of bail - why? Because she was caught with a can of spray paint. The paint was used – as photo evidence has clearly demonstrated – to decorate placards and props for a piece of street theatre the group put together for the international day against violence against women. Her organization, in collaboration with the growing feminist movement in Honduras, has been tirelessly denouncing the fact that women have been particularly victimized under the coup regime – a pamphlet from a related organization wrote, “we are victims of sexual abuse, they beat our breasts, hips, buttocks and vulva; they put batons in our crotch, they threaten us with rape and other types of sexual aggression in a clear demonstration of contempt of this society towards the body and the integrity of women.” Merlin’s group, named after a famous woman who struggled for women’s rights in the 1920s, is made up of over 6000 predominantly young women – some of the women I spoke to this morning were teenagers - demonstrating courage I could never dream of exhibiting myself. In a piece of tragic absurdity that brought me to tears, one of their community leaders is now facing a trumped up prison sentence where she will likely face the very same sexualized violence that she has been so tirelessly fought to expose and denounce.
But women’s bodies are not only being used by the golpistas as objects for desecration and humiliation in prison cells; they are simultaneously being used to woo the smug gringos who have breezed into town to ‘supervise’ the farce elections this weekend. A cocktail party was held this evening at the Mayan Hotel for the representatives of NDI and IRI (elections-observation organizations linked to the Democratic and Republican parties in the US, respectively) and other observers cobbled together from the far-reaches of the Latin American Right (including Armando Calderon Sol, former president of El Salvador.) As they toasted to the great strides that Honduras was making towards a stronger democratic republic, they were entertained by 14- and 15-year old Mayan girls, dancing in sexualized traditional dresses, much to the delight of the overwhelmingly male ‘champions of democracy.’
bolding mine
and where is the denunciation by those human rights groups against what is being done to women?
War teaching our Canadian military persons that women and girls are just sex objects.....
The man, who can’t be identified to protect the victim, also transmitted an image of a little girl performing oral sex on an Internet dating site, offering the child — whom he claimed was his daughter — for sex.
The man had a stellar reputation with the forces, working his way up to become an officer and serving “numerous” tours of duty in war zones.
This thread over here indicates another way, or several, that women and our allies/supporters, are under attack...
On Wednesday, at a Parliament Hill ceremony marking the 20th anniversary of the Dec. 6 massacre at Montreal's L'École Polytechnique, Conservative MP Candice Hoeppner co-starred in Status of Women minister Helena Guergis's show of sympathy.
Bad enough that, last month, Guergis voted for Bill C-391, the legislation that aims to kill the long-gun registry and Hoeppner was the one to introduce it in the House.
No wonder that Status of Women committee members Anita Neville (L-Winnipeg South Centre), Irene Mathyssen (NDP-London- Fanshawe) and the Bloc's warrior queen of women's rights, Nicole Demers (Laval), boycotted the ceremony.
As Neville told me Wednesday, "The Conservatives' record on women has just been abominable.''
Never mind that, since the registry was introduced in the mid-'90s, the number of women killed by their rifle-wielding partners has dropped significantly. But, even with the registry, Statistics Canada reports, one out of three femicide victims is still killed by a rifle-wielding partner.
The woman allegedly offered to sell "two teenaged Asian women" for 5,000 Canadian dollars (4,700 US) each to undercover policemen.
"A negotiation took place, and the two women, aged 25 and 41, both originally from China, were sold to officers for 4,000 dollars each, for a total of 8,000 dollars," Calgary police said.
The arrest follows a three-month investigation into online offers for young Asian prostitutes
War teaching our Canadian military persons that women and girls are just sex objects.....
The man, who can’t be identified to protect the victim, also transmitted an image of a little girl performing oral sex on an Internet dating site, offering the child — whom he claimed was his daughter — for sex.
The man had a stellar reputation with the forces, working his way up to become an officer and serving “numerous” tours of duty in war zones.
You don't think that it is a little bit over the top to blame the military mentality for this, do you? What happens when this is a teacher or a nurse or a doctor doing the same thing?
If you did not need to put in this your story as though it is true: War teaching our Canadian military persons that women and girls are just sex objects..... I find it an insult to anyone in the military, past present and future ESPECIALLY the women who serve.
Some of your posts show a huge lack of empathy, and I do not know if that is passively aggressively intentional or just not communicating clearly.
Blame the military mentality?
I blamed war....
How about you stop putting words in my mouth to attack me?
oh.... and how about researching whom war impacts the greatest.....and just what it does to all involved
Blogger who targets feminists faces charges
Jean-Claude Rochefort, 60, is accused of uttering threats against women from April to December 2009. He has already been charged with possessing an illegal firearm.
Rochefort created a website where authorities say he posted hateful, aggressive and menacing comments about women. Rochefort also referred to Marc Lepine, the gunman who killed 14 women at Montreal's École Polytechnique in 1989, as "Saint Marc."
One image shows the Montreal university with the caption "Where it all started."
Another caption says "where it could happen again, with the right people and the right equipment."
I think there is a disconnect between what you think you are saying and what you post. You cannot defend that statement by attacking me. I would suggest take a little more care with how you say things rather than find yourself offending everyone just in order to be "right".
Other than that, I shall leave you to your thread. Just remind you that treating everyone as though they are your personal enemy will not win you any support; there is a way to compromise, conciliate and communicate that will have the effects you seek.
This rather unfortunate article seems to be confused and missed the point http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/montreal-massacre-death-cult/article1392013/
Rather good counter points to some of what was raised here http://www.progressive-economics.ca/2009/12/08/the-supposed-plight-of-university-men/
Thanks PSto, Wente is her usual misogynist self.
Copenhagen Mayor Ritt Bjerregaard had prior to the opening of the climate conference asked the city's hotel owners to "not facilitate contact between their guests and prostitutes."
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Seven Copenhagen hotels have meanwhile launched a campaign against prostitution, an initiative led by Hotel Guldsmeden located on Helgolandsgade street in the city's red light district.
"The scene has become much rougher and the prostitutes are getting younger and younger, some are just 16 according to the police," a Hotel Guldsmeden spokeswoman, Kirsten Skovgaard, said.
A banner unfurled on one building in the street reads: "No more Trafficking, Drug-dealing, Abuse, Fear".
Copenhagen's social-democrat mayor
ETA: the further tail of this story was that the woman supposedly speaking up for the Danish 10,000+ prostitutes in outrage, actually was entitled to speak for 79.
In February 2004 the New Zealand Prostitution Reform Act Sub-Committee met to discuss the problems that had persisted since the change in legislation. The health and safety of the individuals in street prostitution was still at a low level and had not been improved by the Act’s implementation. Perceived threats to passers by, hazardous litter left in public places and alleged undertaking of sexual activities in public places and adjacent property were still an unresolved issue.
Streetreach, an Auckland based project that helps individuals involved in the sex industry, stated that before decriminalization they would make contact with 30 clients a night, and are now coming into regular contact with 90 clients a night. Streetreach has also noticed that there has been a rise in drug use and an increase in gang involvement in “minding” the sex workers. Debbie Baker, Director of Streetreach, recently disclosed that the women they are in contact with have experienced an increase in physical and sexual violence, such as rape, since 2003.
Wonder how it is nowadays for Canadian women in the military?
Military Abortion Ban: Female Soldiers Not Protected by Constitution They Defend
...From a remove of two years, Amy now sees the sex that resulted in her pregnancy as rape: something that may have qualified her for an on-base (though self-funded) abortion. However, at the time, because the rape wasn’t brutally violent, and because she had seen fellow servicewomen be ostracized for “crying rape” in the past, she imagined nothing but trouble would come of making a complaint.
Instead, using herbal abortifacient supplements ordered online, Amy self-aborted. Unable to find a coat hanger she used her sanitized rifle cleaning rod and a laundry pin to manually dislodge the fetus while lying on a towel on the bathroom floor. It was a procedure she attempted twice, each time hemorrhaging profusely. Amy lost so much blood on the first attempt that her skin blanched and her ears rang. She continued working for five weeks, despite increasing sickness, until she realized she was still pregnant.
Quite the enlightening and sickening read, for women in this day and age to have to go through this shit....
h/t BnR
From a now closed thread comes this woman hating link...
http://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/the-misandry-bubble.html
In fact, it almost, if not actually, reads as a threat against western women...
here is another thread at babble which indicates clearly that women as identifable humans are underattack...both the thread and the news item are great examples.
I'm normally not a fan of incarceration but remind makes a great point about women being under attack. We treat crimes against women less seriously than property crimes. Shame on me and all of us.
Well if men cannot refrain from being physically violent, from rape and from sexual assault - incarceration is necessary. The rich and well-connected asshat referenced in the thread remind linked to should have gotten a jail term. Perhaps he would think twice next time he feels he has ownership of other girls' and women's bodies.
Now we have a highly-publicized story where men receive the lessen that just saying your sorry is enough (fat chance he is actually sorry as well - I bet his real thoughts are appreciation for his lawyer and judge).
Not only that, the young girl is now burdened for the rest of her life with the societal belief, for sure in Saskatchewan, at the very least, that this "poor crying" man was publically harmed by her reporting of him....
If he keeps his job, the Saskatchewan Rough Riders deserve to lose every fricking game they play until the end of time, or their bankruptcy which ever comes first.
So I say; Pox on their team if they do keep him around.
People should be calling the Rough Rider headquarters demanding that Tillman not be re-enstated. If the courts can't do the correct thing people can.
here is their web site for the contact Info...
http://www.riderville.com/
and/or direct contact page
http://www.riderville.com/page/contact
One thing to be encouraged by, the normally rah-rah sports type were outraged wiith phone calls and e-mails to the FAN590 yesterday.
Discouraged, the same radio station is avoiding the topic.
Not only that, the young girl is now burdened for the rest of her life with the societal belief, for sure in Saskatchewan, at the very least, that this "poor crying" man was publically harmed by her reporting of him....
Good point as well. This type of thing definitely has an effect on the willingness of girls and women to come forward. As if there are not enough barriers and issues in this regard already!
That is why the barriers and issues are thrown up, so women and girls won't come forward.
Complicity in marginalizing women and girls coming forward also comes in the form of the media showing a crying sobbing man, followed by a lawyer who states that judges give lighter sentences to public figures, because of the public humiliation they have to go through.
With that course of thinking then they should give lighter sentences to all criminals who appear in a take down on TV, or the most wanted lists, as they too suffer public humiliation.
Frankly can hardly accept that it occured, it is such an attack upon women....and overt classism...
encourage all to contact the Riders and demand that he remain out of a job with their organization. It will be another attack against women, if he is allowed to keep his position.
More on Tillman and his audacious sense of white male privilege right to sexuallly assault young girls....from when he was first charged.
He responded to the many messages from Rider fans, some wishing him the best and others urging him to resign.
"Reading some of these posts are interesting insight into life... and people," he wrote. "I do understand how painful and unpleasant this is for so many of you, and that hurts more than words can ever express. I care deeply about the good name of the Saskatchewan Roughriders. I also value my reputation... and, most importantly, love and care about my wife and children."
CBC News spoke with Tillman on Wednesday afternoon and he confirmed he was using the name "Happy to be green" to post messages on the website.
In his online postings, Tillman did not reveal any details about the allegations he's facing. He took issue with people speculating about his relationship with the complainant.
"Even injecting the word 'consensual' in this dialogue when your have no idea as to the allegation is incredibly unfair," Tillman wrote in the post. "Until the truth comes out over the coming weeks (and it will), I would respectfully ask you without your opinions until THEN!"
On Wednesday afternoon, the comments were removed and replaced with a note from CFL communications:
"Happy to be green,"
His arrogance in not resigning, can only be outpaced if the Rough Riders re-enstate him to his job position...
Also, we see more rammifications occuring with the sexualization of young girls in society, and the ages of abusers getting younger with the latest incident here in BC.
The allowing of sexual assaulters to get off with a mere whinning apology in public, does not send a good message to young boys, say nothing of men.
Should we as a society really be socially sexualizing young boys into rapists, as well?
Can we look forward to seeing a rash of sexual assaults, particularily in SK, because boys and men have been told quite clearly they can get away with it, by just whinning about how hard done by they are, that they took too many drugs and did not know what they were doing, and that they are sorry?
The girl was approached about 6:00 p.m. PT by a young man while she sat on a bench near the entrance to the Arbutus Square Mall at Arbutus Street and W. 32nd Avenue, Vancouver police Const. Jana McGuinness said.
He convinced her to follow him to a nearby park where he sexually assaulted and threatened her, McGuinness said.
Anyone with information is asked to contact the Vancouver police.
It is time to stop pretending that all these sexual assault actions against women and girls happen in isolated splendor, and that sexual assault is no different than any other type of assault!
Wow - Tillman's comments are unbelievable remind. I don't even know what to say, it just has me so angry. I have contacted the Riders as well and hope others do.
Just so people can see how outrageous letting Tillman of is I think people should look at the various parts of the Criminal Code that he might have been subject too but for his privilege. Only charged with assault apparently although arguably he was in a position of trust over this young person in his home and under his charge. He didn't need any medical evidence to show he was not criminally responsible he merely had to state it and he was believed. This is an outrageous outcome.
(1) Every person commits an offence who is in a position of trust or authority towards a young person, who is a person with whom the young person is in a relationship of dependency or who is in a relationship with a young person that is exploitative of the young person, and who
(a) for a sexual purpose, touches, directly or indirectly, with a part of the body or with an object, any part of the body of the young person; or
(b) for a sexual purpose, invites, counsels or incites a young person to touch, directly or indirectly, with a part of the body or with an object, the body of any person, including the body of the person who so invites, counsels or incites and the body of the young person.
(1.1) Every person who commits an offence under subsection (1)
(a) is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of forty-five days; or
(b) is guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding eighteen months and to a minimum punishment of imprisonment for a term of fourteen days.
(1.2) A judge may infer that a person is in a relationship with a young person that is exploitative of the young person from the nature and circumstances of the relationship, including
(a) the age of the young person;
(b) the age difference between the person and the young person;
(c) the evolution of the relationship; and
(d) the degree of control or influence by the person over the young person.
(2) In this section, “young person” means a person 16 years of age or more but under the age of eighteen years.
R.S., 1985, c. C-46, s. 153; R.S., 1985, c. 19 (3rd Supp.), s. 1; 2005, c. 32, s. 4; 2008, c. 6, s. 54.
(1) Every one who commits a sexual assault is guilty of
(a) an indictable offence and is liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding ten years; or
(b) an offence punishable on summary conviction and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding eighteen months.
(2) [Repealed, R.S., 1985, c. 19 (3rd Supp.), s. 10]
R.S., 1985, c. C-46, s. 271; R.S., 1985, c. 19 (3rd Supp.), s. 10; 1994, c. 44, s. 19.
Assessment Orders
A court having jurisdiction over an accused in respect of an offence may order an assessment of the mental condition of the accused, if it has reasonable grounds to believe that such evidence is necessary to determine
(a) whether the accused is unfit to stand trial;
(b) whether the accused was, at the time of the commission of the alleged offence, suffering from a mental disorder so as to be exempt from criminal responsibility by virtue of subsection 16(1);
(c) whether the balance of the mind of the accused was disturbed at the time of commission of the alleged offence, where the accused is a female person charged with an offence arising out of the death of her newly-born child;
(d) the appropriate disposition to be made, where a verdict of not criminally responsible on account of mental disorder or unfit to stand trial has been rendered in respect of the accused; or
(e) whether an order should be made under section 672.851 for a stay of proceedings, where a verdict of unfit to stand trial has been rendered against the accused.
1991, c. 43, s. 4; 1995, c. 22, s. 10; 2005, c. 22, s. 2.
(1) The court may make an assessment order at any stage of proceedings against the accused of its own motion, on application of the accused or, subject to subsections (2) and (3), on application of the prosecutor.
Verdict of Not Criminally Responsible on Account of Mental Disorder
Where the jury, or the judge or provincial court judge where there is no jury, finds that an accused committed the act or made the omission that formed the basis of the offence charged, but was at the time suffering from mental disorder so as to be exempt from criminal responsibility by virtue of subsection 16(1), the jury or the judge shall render a verdict that the accused committed the act or made the omission but is not criminally responsible on account of mental disorder.
1991, c. 43, s. 4.
Where a verdict of not criminally responsible on account of mental disorder is rendered, the accused shall not be found guilty or convicted of the offence, but
(a) the accused may plead autrefois acquit in respect of any subsequent charge relating to that offence;
(b) any court may take the verdict into account in considering an application for judicial interim release or in considering what dispositions to make or sentence to impose for any other offence; and
(c) the National Parole Board or any provincial parole board may take the verdict into account in considering an application by the accused for parole or pardon in respect of any other offence.
1991, c. 43, s. 4.
A verdict of not criminally responsible on account of mental disorder is not a previous conviction for the purposes of any offence under any Act of Parliament for which a greater punishment is provided by reason of previous convictions.
1991, c. 43, s. 4.
I am sorry about the formatting above. When I hit the preview comment button before posting all the Code Sections and headings show up but when I hit post comment they disappeared.
Thanks kropotkin, perhaps letters should also be written to the Saskatchewan government, as this is just unacceptable on so many levels...as your criminal code information clearly indicates.
Oh too funny,and not in a good way, I just went to the SK government site to get contact info and look what I found:
Saskatchewan Justice Minister and Attorney General Don Morgan wrote an open letter to the Federal Government to press for Bill C-15 to be passed by the Senate with no amendments
So the Attorney General wants mandatory minimums and yet he allows Tillman to get away with not even basic criminal code activities occuring.
all the info to contact the SK attorney general is at the link in the quotes, and indeed perhaps letters to the opposition critic would be good too...which is:
Frank Quennell Saskatoon MeewasinConstituency Office:
610 Duchess Street
SASKATOON, SK S7K 0R1
Phone: 651-3581 Fax: 651-4670
fquennellmla@sasktel.net
http://www.frankquennell.ca
and the complete MLA list is below
http://www.legassembly.sk.ca/members/mla_list.htm
If people want to contact the SK Chief Justice here is the info....
The Hon. J. Klebuc · CRT · Chief Justice of Saskatchewan · (306) 787-5382 ·
Sexist attacks against women, come in all places, shapes and sizes it seems these days...
And it seems Dockers, is quite content to try and sell their products at the expense of women, mainly by telling men the world's ills are all the fault of women.
http://www.us.dockers.com/season/landing.aspx
And the site that everyone on the left loves to get their yucks from, are not content to be left out of the ugly and extremely harmful sexism against women, and they too deserve to be boycotted.
Wonder where are the commedy pieces about the "sluts" in our society, whom countries are targeting for their tourism dollars?
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/vh1_reality_show_bus_crashes_in?ut...
Sexist attacks against women, come in all places, shapes and sizes it seems these days...
And it seems Dockers, is quite content to try and sell their products at the expense of women, mainly by telling men the world's ills are all the fault of women.
http://www.us.dockers.com/season/landing.aspx
The phone number to contact Dockers from BC is 1 800 362 5377.
I just talked to a nice young woman who I think will pass on the fact that I have bought many pairs of Dockers but I never will again because of this blatantly misogynist ad. I hope other men on this board will follow suit.
Thanks for the number kropotkin, and for your calling them out on it.
Just going to add the thread on Dimanno's attack against women, just to show how many women are co-opted by patriarchy.
http://rabble.ca/babble/feminism/dimanno-tillman-case-patronizes-women
This is perhaps a reminder of the archaic laws against women:
MP : 'Gold-digger' veteran clause 'unfair'
OTTAWA - The government should repeal "archaic" restrictions that deny women who marry aging veterans the ability to collect their dead husbands' pensions, says an NDP MP.
The clause, which was initially implemented to prevent "gold-diggers" from preying upon older servicemen, is "unfair" and "discriminatory," charged MP Peter Stoffer.
Really unbelievable, the government wanting to save itself a bundle, saw nothing wrong with ascribing the term gold digger to women....to cover their money grubbing ways.
Thanks RP
Stoffer is correct this law needs to be gone.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/jan/15/why-men-use-prostitutes
I, too, was hoping to understand his motives better. Ben was one of 700 men interviewed for a major international research project seeking to uncover the reality about men who buy sex. The project spanned six countries, and of the 103 customers we spoke to in London - where I was one of the researchers - most were surprisingly keen to discuss their experiences.
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Although some of the men said they thought the women they bought enjoyed the sex, many others admitted that they thought the women would be feeling "disgusted", "miserable", "dirty" and "scared". Ahmed said he thought the woman might feel "relief that I'm not going to kill her".
Only 6% of the men we spoke to had been arrested for soliciting prostitutes. "Deterrents would only work if enforced," said one. "Any negative would make you reconsider. The law's not enforced now, but if any negative thing happened as a consequence it would deter me." Perhaps the new law will make Albert think twice about paying for sex. He told me, "If I'd get in trouble for doing it, I wouldn't do it. In this country, the police are fine with men visiting prostitutes."
I found this story on the most read of the Guardian website. It is a really disturbing article and the researcher who does it supports tightening laws around johns to decrease the consistent culture of permissivity that surround the enforcement of laws around the users of 'commercial sex' and the use of women as sex objects.
I wasn't 100% sure where to post this. So I chose this thread because Remind and other members have often many of the things shown in this article.
Really unbelievable, the government wanting to save itself a bundle, saw nothing wrong with ascribing the term gold digger to women....to cover their money grubbing ways.
Stoffer is correct this law needs to be gone.
I agree that the term is horrible but don't necessarily agree with changing the law. The existing law that designates division of military pensions upon marital dissolution treats the wife at the time the pension was accrued in an appalling way. The military pensioner collects his (I'm using "his" but recognize that occassionally it could be "her", as well) pension beginning at any time from 19 years + 1 day of service onward. So, let's say he starts collecting at age 45 and, after division, he gets $550/month. At the same time, his previous wife will have received a lump sum that she has to invest (it's locked-in and, by law, cannot be used with one exception that's worse) in an RRSP, or other equivalent financial mechanism. The idea being that she will need to invest in some plan that, by age 65, she will receive $550/month. So, he will have drawn income for 20 years meaning that he receives $132,000 more from a marital asset that supposedly has been divided equally.
It's more complicated than that, even, but that's the briefer version. The wife who sacrificed a normal life by moving around, often living on low-ish income, living away from extended family, having their partner be away and possibly in danger, gets screwed by this division and that situation should be rectified before any consideration is given to subsequent spouses.
Thanks for that heads up Loretta....perhaps Stoffer should address this too? Have you written him about it?
Papal Bull, you are correct thte article was disturbing so, was the whole pdf report. And thank you for posting this.
Also...so much for claims that decriminalization would help those trafficked...
Going to link the Dockers thread to this one, as there is more going on with the Dockers ad.
The evidence is becoming pretty overwhelming these days, what the push for legalized prostitution has done to the plight of women around the world, report after report, from country after country, indicates just what the actual truth is.
Slavery and exploitation, beyond that of which was present before so called legalization. That is beyond the increased violence against all women.
And seeing as how men apparently do not care whether women are being trafficked, nor the ages, legalized prostitution is no solution to anything.
Criminals infiltrating legal brothel industry
Brothel operators said there were about 400 illegal brothels offering either full sex or massages, which included a sexual service.
And then of course there is this truth too, that so many have tried to minimalize, and the same holds true in Canada:
One American Indian woman's long fight to escape prostitution
prostitution to support her crack habit. For 12 years, Ellis worked the
streets, mostly around Bloomington Avenue in Minneapolis' Phillips
neighborhood, without a reliable place to live.
"I didn't have any place to go. I wanted to get high, and I couldn't think
of a quicker way to do it," she said. Throughout her homeless years, Ellis
had stayed with relatives and friends until losing their trust. By early
2009, she was running out of places to stay at night.
As an American Indian, Ellis is more vulnerable to prostitution than most
women, according to a first-of-its-kind report addressing the commercial
sexual exploitation of American Indian women and girls in Minnesota.
Until the study's recent release, the plight of Ellis and other American
Indian women trapped in prostitution has been largely hidden from public
view in Minnesota.
"Almost all of them have early sexual assault traumas. [Most have] high
levels of molestation, high levels of incest, high levels of rape, domestic
violence," said Suzanne Koepplinger the center's executive director. "Those early traumas, along with other vulnerabilities like poverty and homelessness, coming into chemical
dependency ? they're extremely vulnerable."
The general average age of entry into prostitution occurs between 12 and 14,
Koepplinger said in an interview.
re- john's research
The article was presented as a major new piece of research when it is nothing of the kind; a casual glance shows it is not peer reviewed or presented to an acceptable academic independent standard. The Guardian and the editor responsible should be thoroughly embarrassed by its misrepresentation.
One of the co-authors of the report is Melissa Farley, when this "study" was run in Edinburgh n response a paper authored by some 15 academics and sexual health experts was submitted to the Scottish Parliament, strongly rebuking the methods and conclusions of the study. Amongst other things, the report states - "This research violates fundamental principles of human research ethics in that there is no evidence of any benefit to the population studied. Rather the purpose of the research appears to have been to vilify the population of men who were chosen to be interviewed. " In addition they criticize the work as biased, ill informed and unhelpful.
- A Commentary on 'Challenging Men's Demand for Prostitution in Scotland': A Research Report Based on Interviews with 110 Men who Bought Women in Prostitution, (Jan Macleod, Melissa Farley, Lynn Anderson, Jacqueline Golding, 2008)" by Teela Sanders, Jane Scoular, Michael Goodyear, and others, April 29, 2008. "The researchers were defined as people wanting to end violence against women - but presumably this may introduce bias into how the research was run. If you are asking someone to disclose buying sex but you openly disagree with this how can you hear what they say?"
This is not research it is a campaign.
i am refering to the hoisting of the research in the guardian news paper above and i would ask remind, how does the quote you chose debunk decrim as making women safer? education of consumers and clear safe methods for them to report dangerous conditions. by ending the shame and educating consumers we could actually be more effective in combating human trafficking.
http://www.timescolonist.com/news/Jody+Paterson+Good+news+Johns+just+normal+guys/2471932/story.html
A new study out of Simon Fraser University concludes that people who buy sex are no more prone to violence than anyone else.
Fewer than two per cent of the 1,000 respondents who took part in SFU sociologist Chris Atchison's study reported ever having hit, hurt, raped or robbed the person they bought sex from.
Granted, that's just them saying so. But Atchison noted in a Vancouver Sun story this week about his research that there was little reason for the respondents to lie, given that the survey was anonymous.
That his findings are provocative is an understatement.
"It's an outrageous study and it really works towards normalizing sexual assault," said Aurea Flynn of the Vancouver Rape Relief and Women's Shelter, which is the go-to organization in B.C. when media are looking for a quote from someone vehemently opposed to prostitution.
"I'm really angry about the emphasis on the compassion for johns that the study provides," added Flynn, "and I'm very concerned about its impact on the continued normalization of prostitution in Canada because I believe prostitution is violence against women."
It's odd, really. Atchison's findings ought to be considered good news in a society that puts so much emphasis on reducing violence. Shouldn't we be happy that most of the thousands of British Columbians who buy sex on a regular basis aren't violent toward sex workers?
Ah, but this is about the sex industry. We don't want to hear anything "nice" about it. We don't want anybody telling us that most of the customers of the sex industry are largely average, non-violent guys -- the kind of men we work with, live with and even love. We don't want to hear that most adult sex workers in Canada might actually be choosing to work in the business.
When it comes to prostitution, we only like it violent, coercive and miserable. I guess we pretty much have to cling to that belief, because otherwise we just might question the ineffective, discriminatory and ultimately harmful laws that govern how the sex industry operates in our country.
We prefer a single story line when it comes to public conversations about the sex trade -- one in which all the people who buy sex are exploitive predators and all the people who sell it are victims needing to be saved (or at the very least prosecuted in the event they refuse "rescue").
But what if we've got that wrong?
man kills girlfriend over contraceptives
The plight is world wide, and never ending it seems......
'I believed sexism in our culture would wither away. I was entirely wrong'
The "prude" reference was key. In Living Dolls, Walter takes on the notion that, for example, stripping and pole dancing are empowering, liberating choices; instead, she suggests, it has become increasingly difficult for young women to opt out of this culture, to take any path other than that which leads inexorably to fake nails, fake tan and, finally, fake breasts. And, if they do, there are serious social penalties.
"I was surprised by the attitudes of the girls I interviewed," she says, "who seemed to feel that they would be mocked if they protested within their peer groups. You know, when I was at university [in the 80s] it was OK to be annoyed about sexism, to take it quite seriously – if you argued about it, it didn't make you the subject of mockery. Even if you didn't particularly identify yourself as a feminist, you could choose where you wanted to be on a spectrum, and you could still say, 'I really don't want Page 3 in the common room,' or, 'I really hate the idea of porn' . . . I was surprised when I was interviewing young women that they felt uncomfortable engaging in that way. Of course, a lot them would say, 'It's fine, we can choose whether to [interact with the sexist culture] or not,' and then you dig a little deeper, and you realise that it is more problematic than that."
The focus on popular culture, on the pervasive web of sexist imagery and behaviour, is a big shift away from Walter's first book, The New Feminism, which came out in 1998. Then she argued that feminists should concentrate on specific political, social and financial aims; in Living Dolls she writes that she felt that, at that time, we could put aside the feminist arguments that "centred on private lives: how women made love, how they dressed, whom they desired . . . I believed that we only had to put in place the conditions for equality for the remnants of the old-fashioned sexism in our culture to wither away. I am ready to admit that I was entirely wrong."
That looks like an excellent book, remind. I am terrified of raising a daughter in the the present culture. How do you prepare them and arm them with enough self-esteem?
yes, I think so too Ghislaine, can't hardly wait to read it.
sorry do not know how you prepare them and arm them with actual self esteem, as oppopsed to their wrongly believing that the more they look like a living doll or centerfold the better their self esteem would be. Other than encouraging education education education.
For awhile the granddaughter was upset, if you can imagine, because she was being labelled "smart" as she is fluently bilingual, and has always gone to an ecole. This apparently sets them apart from their peers in straight english schools and sets them up as targets for mocking.
But nowadays she gets it, or at least some of it and she has two stark realities in her extended family to compare to. Her fathers side are surface people who live a patriarchial norm, that is full of violence, mainly verbal and emotional, though it is hidden beneath the surface of supposedly upper middle class posturing, and her feminist matriarchial family where that type of VAW stuff does not exist. And where there is no societal posturing occuring.
So she "sees" for herself and them comes to me to speak of social feminism, much more so than her mother did actually. Her mother, my daughter, did not start accepting feminist thought until a few years ago, as she wrongly believed broad sociatal sexism did not exist any longer, because it did not exist in her family and amongst the larger social network we exist in.
Unfortunately that false belief of hers lead her to world of hurt that she is just beginning to recover from.
Having said that though, she also owns her own home, and business, and she just turned 30. Which indicates that some things have progressed for women of the next generation in some ways.
Just not in the sexual objectification and VAW ways.
Newly released info from medical news...
In a cross-sectional study of women treated at five family clinics across northern California, about 20% of women said that their partner tried to coerce them into having a child, Elizabeth Miller, MD, of the University of California Davis, and colleagues reported online in the journal Contraception.
Beyond outright coercion, abusive partners also engaged in birth control sabotage, for example, poking holes in condoms and flushing birth control pills down the toilet.
"It was stunning to have this many women seeking reproductive health services saying, 'this has happened to me,'" Miller said.
To investigate a possible link between domestic violence and forced pregnancy, the researchers conducted a survey of 1,278 women ages 16 to 29 who sought care at the five family planning clinics in northern California.
More than half of the women surveyed -- 53% -- reported physical or sexual partner violence.
Approximately a third of the women who reported partner violence also reported pregnancy coercion or birth control sabotage.
"The findings suggest that pregnancy coercion and birth control sabotage may be an aspect of partner violence that, given its relevance to reproductive health, should be identified by providers in clinical settings
Interesting blog writings on this study's findings
Sabotaging birth control - sinister new face of sexual violence
Male partners force them into pregnancy by damaging condoms and sabotaging birth control efforts, acts linked with physical or sexual violence, known as 'reproductive coercion,' says a new study by a University of California-Davis (UC-D) team.
"What this study shows is that reproductive coercion likely explains why unintended pregnancies are far more common among abused women and teens," said Jay Silverman, study co-author and associate professor at the Harvard School of public health.
and then this one really lays it out
Researchers at UC Davis conducted a survey of 1,300 young women at five reproductive health clinics in Northern California. The women ranged in age from 16 to 29. They were asked questions about birth-control sabotage, pregnancy coercion and partner violence. The study found that one in five women said they had experienced pregnancy coercion and 15% had experienced birth-control sabotage. More than half had experienced physical or sexual violence from an intimate partner. The researchers concluded that the rate of unintended pregnancy was double among women who experienced reproductive coercion and partner violence. The study is published online today in the journal Contraception.
"This study highlights an under-recognized phenomenon where male partners actively attempt to promote pregnancy against the will of their female partners," Elizabeth Miller, a co-author of the study, said in a news release.
"What this study shows is that reproductive coercion likely explains why unintended pregnancies are far more common among abused women and teens," Jay Silverman, a co-author of the study and a professor at Harvard School of Public Health, said in a news release.
Rates of unintended pregnancy might decline if more young women learned to recognize, avoid or leave abusive relationships or were given the skills and support to do so.
And there i believe ghislaine lays part of your answer in red....
Definitely, remind. It just seems so overwhelming what girls and young women are up against.
I am not surprised by these new findings - as it would seem an abusive male can cause a partner to become even more dependant and unwilling to leave if he gets her pregnant.
I don't know what it is like in other provinces, but I know that here on the Island and there is not nearly close to enough time spent in sex-ed on abusive relationships, what constitutes abuse, how to recognize, how to leave, what your rights are, etc. ,etc. There needs to be a lot more down in all grades to educate both boys and girls.
And then in the USA women are getting hit with a double whammy after experiencing forced pregnancy....and other acts of violence.
to them, simply because they allege abuse on the part of their abusive
ex-husbands. These moms are punished by a court system that gives custody
to batterers instead of to battered women, or to child molesters instead of
to the mothers who are trying to protect them.
Barry Goldstein is the primary author of the statement below from NOMAS'
Child Custody Task Group...on the Web at
http://www.nomas.org/node/222 .
Request to Men's Organizations and Allies for Support of Protective Child
Custody (with Spanish translation below and French translation in next
message)
Male supremacist groups ("Father's Rights") have caused unspeakable harm to
our country and to our children by encouraging abusive fathers, often with
little past involvement with their children, to seek custody as a tactic to
pressure a mother to return or to punish her for leaving. "Shared
parenting", "friendly parent", involvement of both parents and other
concepts that seem fair and benevolent have instead been used to manipulate
courts and legislatures to help abusive fathers. For instance, women are
routinely denied custody of their children after being classified as
"unfriendly" for asserting that the husband has abused them or their
children.
Parental Alienation Syndrome (sometimes disguised by use of other names for
the discredited practice) is an unscientific theory that is used to prevent
investigation of children's reports of their father's abuse. Unscrupulous
professionals use it as a way to make money while ignoring the destructive
impact on children's lives. Male supremacists debase the discussion of child
custody issues by personal attacks and attempts to substitute repeated lies
for information based on scientific research. NOMAS condemns the male
supremacist tactics and instead supports the work of protective mothers to
make safety of children the highest priority of custody courts.
Male supremacists do not speak for the vast majority of men and fathers. We
invite organizations of men opposed to men's violence against women and
exploitation of children to join us in speaking out in support of protective
mothers and for reforms in the custody court system so that children will no
longer be sent to live with abusers or separated from safe, protective
mothers.
Over here we see how trivial women lives are nowadays...
Today started out a good day, I was happy and in a good mood, until I was made aware of this on Facebook:
http://tiny.cc/AXSNn
Report this group if you are on Facebook. Please, all help is needed.
Dear God, don't they have automatic filters for certain words like killing or hookers.
Reported to senior management of facebook that I know
This thread contains comments that are another good example of attacks that come disguised as info and fact but are not.
No, actually, the thread doesn't contain anything nefarious against women. We know you have an axe to grind with Susan, and you want to see prostitution gone but that is no reason to stir up shit with her - yet again.
besides that this thread was important and about women under attack. Last time I checked, sex workers were also women.
Stargazer, am not going to get into this with you, so I will only say this:
Susan has made that spurious and false accusation here before, and it is not abolitionists who are harming women, and killing them, it is MEN, aka Johns, and no one else, other than perhaps pimps and procurers.
As such, making such false claims is an attack upon women who view things differently than she does. And frankly I am not going to put up with it and let it go unchallenged.
I totally agree with Susan in that thread. You're not the only feminist game in town, remind. I think it's ironic that you're attacking feminist sex workers on babble in a thread about identifiable groups of women being attacked.
I disagree, and sorry remind, it is you who have the problem. If you truly care about women and violence then you would support ALL women who suffer or potentially suffer from it. Not just women who are not sex workers.
She made zero attacks. You used her post to marginalize her. I am shocked actually, especially after the facebook group that was about killing hookers (and that you paid absolutely no attention to nor even show disgust over). That is far more telling to me.
And yes, remind, your postion on sex workers harms women. We've been over this time and time again. We will have to agree to disagree, just as we had already done but when you personally attack another women whose views you don't hold, you become part of the problem, not the solution.
Michelle seems we cross posted!
No....frankly, she attacked feminists and women, and indeed I find her words slanderous, as well as giving those men who hurt women an excuse or reason to say it is not their fault. Or actually by saying such a false thing, she gives them, the abusers, license to keep on doing it.
Men who hurt woman, no matter what the woman does for a living, are to blame for hurting said woman, not someone else. Full stop.
It is not abolitionists who are to blame for women in sex work who get hurt and killed, and saying so is an attack and slander.
Michelle... great example on differing types of feminism, as the street goes 2 ways on that comment of yours, as feminists by that very same token, who support the legalization of pimps and procurers are not the only feminist game in town. And when such a feminist states that other feminists, who are abolitionists, are to blame for the violence against sex workers and prostitutes, then they better expect to be called on it.
Do you see me running around blamming feminists, such as yourselves, for prostitutes and sex workers getting harmed?
NO, even though I believe differently, than you on this, I know who to blame.
It is the persons doing the harm, who are the ones who do the harm, scapgoating those who do the harm, is unacceptable. And to blame it on abolitionist feminists is even more unacceptable, as such it was/is an attack upon both types IMV, as a comment it was geared to set up controversy, just as it did before.
Feminists do not blame other women, and/or feminists in my feminist world at least, especially when men are the perps of violence against us, just as we do not blame victims of any type.
Women shouldn't attack other women we see enough of that from men.
Great comment Stargazer.
No....frankly, she attacked feminists and women, and indeed I find her words slanderous, as well as giving those men who hurt women an excuse or reason to say it is not their fault. Or actually by saying such a false thing, she gives them, the abusers, license to keep on doing it.
Men who hurt woman, no matter what the woman does for a living, are to blame for hurting said woman, not someone else. Full stop.
It is not abolitionists who are to blame for women in sex work who get hurt and killed, and saying so is an attack and slander.
Michelle... great example on differing types of feminism, as the street goes 2 ways on that comment of yours, as feminists by that very same token, who support the legalization of pimps and procurers are not the only feminist game in town. And when such a feminist states that other feminists, who are abolitionists, are to blame for the violence against sex workers and prostitutes, then they better expect to be called on it.
Do you see me running around blamming feminists, such as yourselves, for prostitutes and sex workers getting harmed?
NO, even though I believe differently, than you on this, I know who to blame.
It is the persons doing the harm, who are the ones who do the harm, scapgoating those who do the harm, is unacceptable. And to blame it on abolitionist feminists is even more unacceptable, as such it was/is an attack upon both types IMV, as a comment it was geared to set up controversy, just as it did before.
Feminists do not blame other women, and/or feminists in my feminist world at least, especially when men are the perps of violence against us, just as we do not blame victims of any type.
You should take your own advice. Apparently you took the time to blame susan for women's downfall.
Oh and it sure as hell is not "slander" to say that abolishment is and has done harm to women. Shall we play a game of stats?
Prostitution is not going away just because you wish to wage war on it. How is the War on Drugs coming along? Did prohibition help anything? BTW, these are rhetorical questions.
Do you have anything to say about groups that call for the death of sex workers? This made news around the globe.
That's my say and my take and I approve of this post. (where is the Like button?)
Stop putting words in my mouth, and that is me putting it nicely, as you well know you were.
She did not say that, she said abolisionists were to blame, so how about you reread what she said, as opposed to spinning what you think she said.
It is slander to state that I, for example, or indeed any other babbler, am to blame for the harm johns and pimps/procurers have done, and do, to prostitues and sex workers. As that is exactly what she did, call all those who are against the legalizing of johns, pimps and procurers murderers and assaulters.
And I will not take false attacks like that and let them go....not by a long freaking shot.
Again, not only is it slander, it scapegoats those who are you know, actually commiting the acts of violence.
Okay..whatever. Not worth it.
And the following is what happens, or could happen, in other countries, who put male penises before the rights of women. And we already know the increased violence against ALL women, legalized non-regulated prostitution, has brought to the Netherlands.
The young woman witnessed some of the man's other nurses offering him sexual gratification, the union said. When she refused to do the same, he tried to dismiss her on the grounds that she was unfit to provide care.
Cheated by Justice
ya bacchus thanks for the info, as there is nothing like the guilt one experiences, after listening to your raped daughter scream in pain when a male RCMP officer is collecting "the rape evidence" after you have insisted she report it.
Saying it should be reported is something I would never ever do again to any girl or woman, in fact I would tell them to stay the hell away from the police.
And that is even though I know it is made rough for women and girls in order to keep male privilege alive and well.
"the following" seems to be a "news of the wierd"-type story of a lone individual who feels he should be offered sexual services as part of his care.
Oh no.
Snert you are not actually in this thread and forum are you, making grossly uninformed comments like that and indicating you read the article without comprehension?
Heads up, first of all the union would not be making a move without significant evidence it is a broadly occurring activity amongst their membership. And the article itself indicates a common place activity.
Secondly, I was a home care nurse for a very long time, and I lost count of the Canadian male patients, who thought they should get some sort of sexual jollies from an attending nurse or caregiver.
That is not even mentioning the husbands of women patients who also sought the same thing.
Being met at the door with an open housecoat sporting a hard on, or a flaccid penis hoping for one, was not an unusual circumstance. Many nurses walked away and refused to go back, and I do not blame them for doing so. But personally, I usually just laughed and walked on by, or told them to put it away before it got hurt and it never usually happened again, as I did not believe their wives should be deprived of needed care because of their husband's idiocy.
If it was a male patient, I, like the other nurses would walk away, and they were told by supervisors that if they kept it up, they would not be getting care. Some nurses and caregivers that I knew over the years even quit their jobs over the trauma of it. And one just quietly realized why.
Thirdly, even working in a hospital setting nurses are solicated sexually, I could not imagine how bad it would be if primary focus on the male penis was even greater than it is.
Stop putting words in my mouth, and that is me putting it nicely, as you well know you were.
She did not say that, she said abolisionists were to blame, so how about you reread what she said, as opposed to spinning what you think she said.
It is slander to state that I, for example, or indeed any other babbler, am to blame for the harm johns and pimps/procurers have done, and do, to prostitues and sex workers. As that is exactly what she did, call all those who are against the legalizing of johns, pimps and procurers murderers and assaulters.
And I will not take false attacks like that and let them go....not by a long freaking shot.
Again, not only is it slander, it scapegoats those who are you know, actually commiting the acts of violence.
Okay fuck it. I am dead tired of playing "nice" to you. Somewhere along the lines you seem to have acquired a hate on for sex workers. Don't tell me to shut up, or that I put words in your mouth. YOU stated you were a supporter of abolishment. You stated that. Study after fucking study has shown that THIS WON'T and DOESN'T WORK. Not unlike Prohibition.It does put women in danger, even the police know this.
Your stand on transwomen is less than progressive judging by your posts. I consider them women and allies. Not people who need anyones "guidance" about how they should live their lives.
I am not a part of your team of purist feminists. I am pro-sex, pro-sex workers and pro complete control over our bodies.
Just like E. Tamaran was accused of constantly yelling racism you seem fit to constantly yell "male privilege" every freaking time, no matter what the issue. This is NOT going to win us allies. There is a way to discuss topics without shouting "male penis" and "male privilege". That shuts out debate completely. I just want people to know that this is NOT the brand of feminism I signed up for. You do not represent me.
You have been flying off the handle for awhile now with this divisive and unnecessary layering of who is deserving and who is not and I am not playing that freaking horrible game.
Lastly, it is not slander. Don't make me pull up all the horrible things you've said to sex workers who dared come here and tell us their stories.
Mods, if you want to give me a "time out" go ahead. I understand.
'male' penis?
As opposed to what?
Pull them up Stargazer, however I am not waiting for it, as you can't....and it is not been me who has been flying off the handle, as you call it.
And just a heads up to you, if the majority of men, on the so called left, were actual allies and interested in women's equity, we would have achieved it by now.
As such, I am not looking for allies, where there quite clearly aren't many, when all pretense has been put aside.
etd to put the missing m in
The sexual harassment of health care workers is ongoing and an enormous topic that's not adequately addressed - it tends to get shrugged off as coming from drugs or dementia, though many of the nurses I work with insist that the patients know exactly what they're doing.
Oh yes they do know Sineed, as evidenced by their halting of said behaviours, when told care will be suspended if such behaviour continues.
What do you all think about Fakebook groups advocating murder ?http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=10150095091825008&ref=search&sid=100000286154328.1055784124..1
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=228830072853&ref=search&sid=100000286154328.2608425848..1
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=330344512141&ref=search&sid=100000286154328.3655851344..1
Not that I even looked at 1 of the links, but if such is the case, then it is spreading of hate against an identifiable group.
And I like the "fakebook" slang name, it seems appropriate.
York University Rapist -Victims read impact Statements
The night of the incident, Katsnelson and his friend, Justin Connort, went from floor to floor at Vanier College residence looking for unlocked doors.
"I can assure you I'll never do anything like this again. I hope everyone, especially the victims, will get some closure. I'm so sorry. Please forgive me," he said.
But previously in court, when asked what his victims could take away from the incident, he responded they would now know to lock their doors. One of the victims immediately broke down and had to leave the courtroom.
This wakeup call didn't get enough MSM play when it broke 4 days ago:
Criminal code does not prohibit incitement of hatred against women, because women are not a minority! - Montréal judge
A Montreal judge says that although she believes Jean-Claude Rochefort's blog incites hatred against women, the law does not make that a crime.
The ruling means there'll be no charge of inciting hatred for the website Rochefort created dedicated to Marc Lépine, who murdered 14 women at Montreal's École Polytechnique in 1989. [...]
Judge Hélène Morin said Wednesday that after reading more than 100 pages of entries to the blog, it's clear it incites hatred against women.
However, the judge said Parliament specifically intended the charge of incitement of hatred to protect minorities, which does not include women.
Yet more of us die from hatred inciting than any other identifiable group....
What do you all think about Fakebook groups advocating murder ?http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=10150095091825008&ref=search&sid=100000286154328.1055784124..1
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=228830072853&ref=search&sid=100000286154328.2608425848..1
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=330344512141&ref=search&sid=100000286154328.3655851344..1
I clikced on the first link.
4 out of the 6 members previewed were young women.
Second link about hiding dead hookers bodies.
6 our of 49 members. First 5 were women.
These facebook groups are stupid but the disturbing thing is that a lot of people seem to think it's a joke but you can't blame facebook when we see the same thing acted out in video games.
Women shouldn't be considered a minority because we're not.
Instead of playing the who is a minority game why don't we consider ALL crimes of this nature as the same?
Hatred directly against me isn't more henious than a non-minority.
And thos facebook groups are stupid but the disturbing thing is that a lot of people seem to think it's a joke but you can't blame facebook when we see the same thing acted out in video games.
We are actually an identifable group which is targeted, not a minority.....
Here's the problem - the definition of "identifiable group" in Sections 318 and 319 of the Criminal Code:
Someone should research why the entire gang of buffoons known as Parliament decided to exclude advocating murder of women, the disabled, etc. from this provision.
Can't you make the argument that any group could be an identifiable group?
Progressives could be an identifiable group. As could liberals couldn't they?
Someone should research why the entire gang of buffoons known as Parliament decided to exclude advocating murder of women, the disabled, etc. from this provision.
Yes am aware of that, and the reasons why the exclusion, status quo is always so acceptable....especially forpatriarchy and privilege
Can't you make the argument that any group could be an identifiable group?
Sure, and CEOs are identifiable, as are police officers and dentists.
But none of these groups are targetted, by individuals, the state, institutions and structures, for significant mistreatment and inequity in relation to others. Okay, maybe dentists are. (I am NOT an anti-dentite!)
Sparky One. We've had one full thread on this topic, and we're now coming up to a second full thread. If you have nothing to add to the discussion, and if in fact you disagree with the premise, as you appear to be doing, the thing to do is to stay out of the thread. This is not a suggestion, by the way. Thank you.
My feeling was when does it stop? I'm not comfortable with a someone getting a harsher sentence for committing assault against me because I'm black over a woman who is white. Or a woman as an identifiable group over a man.
Why does someone have to be an identifible group to fall under this specific rule?
I'm not questioning the premise but still I guess I apologize for disagreeing?? and I will stay out of the thread as ordered.
I still believe women are playing a huge part in letting this shit happen. Just look at those facebook groups and watch the comments by "fellow women".
Have a good day (and you're welcome)
Preston manning and Allen Gregg are doing a bang up job of attacking women's rights, Murray Dobbin indicates such
Then we have the case that is currently before the Supremes, asking whether the right to rape a unconscious victim, is okay or not....
And thos facebook groups are stupid but the disturbing thing is that a lot of people seem to think it's a joke but you can't blame facebook when we see the same thing acted out in video games.
But I do blame Fakebook !
The first link is in the Category: Common Interest - Sexuality , not games or humor.
http://www.facebook.com/terms.php?ref=pf
Thinking of joining up and starting a group.
Maybe "Kill the cop so you don't have to pay the traffic ticket"
Or "Kill your children so you don't have to pay for their college"
Category: Common Interest - Humor
Would I get any flak for doing that ?
Wonder how many will think it"s funny.
Just found this, "four days after the complaints began - Facebook was adopting the social media strategy of sticking its fingers in its ears and singing la la la."
http://blogs.dailyrecord.co.uk/webeditor/2010/02/facebook-hitting-women-row.html
"However, the judge said Parliament specifically intended the charge of incitement of hatred to protect minorities, which does not include women."
Wow, I sort of assumed incitement of hatred was wrong, period.
Why intelligent people don't read the Winnipeg Sun:
"Love triangle blamed: Murder-suicide leaves woman, spurned man dead"Several female politicians and women's rights activists have denounced anti-abortion remarks made by the Catholic Church's top Canadian official over the weekend.
Cardinal Marc Ouellet, attending the Campagne Pro-Vie conference in Quebec City on Saturday, suggested that abortion can never be justified, even in cases where a woman has been raped.
He called abortion a "moral crime" as serious as murder.
Ouellet said he understands how a sexually assaulted woman has been traumatized and must be helped and that her attacker must be held accountable.
"But there is already a victim," he said. "Must there be another one?"
Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2010/05/17/ouellet-marois-abortion-rape.html#ixzz0oCJXtEbP
Guess there is not enough children for the Catholic clergy to rape and brutalize.....and it so wonderful that men feel they can make comments on women's human rights.
Good greif
Apparently cutting your little girls throat, wide open is deserved punishment for bad behaviour.
As that is what the step father did after having an argument with "his wife" about discipline. And indeed he was "stoic" after he did so. wtf?????
Police say a "stoic" Wilson was sitting on a swing in the gazebo next to the cabin when emergency crews arrived shortly after 6 p.m.
According to a statement released by the Mason County Sheriff's Office, Wilson later told a detective he killed his stepdaughter with a knife he found on the kitchen counter after fighting with his wife about disciplining the children.
The statement alleges Wilson told his wife "not to worry" and that he would "take care of things" before leading Clare to the lower floor of the cabin.
Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/Stepfather+charged+after+Abbotsford+girl+found+dead+with+throat/3214638/story.html#ixzz0sHXdUytD
Afghan women jailed for 'bad character'
Surprisingly uplifting to read tho
Meanwhile, prosecutors are considering whether to pursue the death penalty.
Sergi said an accused's criminal history and the details of the alleged crime are key factors that must be weighed in a capital case.
Sergi was uncertain how a mental illness defence might affect the death-penalty decision.
Both Wilson and his wife told police he suffers from bipolar disorder for which he takes medication.
If he had been high on any drugs other than pharmaceuticals that would be the story.
Fear of rape traps women in kenya
Fear of sexual violence is keeping poor Kenyan women away from communal toilets, and increasing the risk of disease, Amnesty International says.
A family from the Elsipogtog First Nation in New Brunswick is hoping someone will come forward to help them figure out how their daughter died this week.
Sabrina Polchies, 22, was found dead in an apartment building in Salisbury Monday evening. She had been reported missing July 4.
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