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Fidel

al-Qa'bong wrote:

Or at least not a Habs fan, which, let's be honest, is fuelling a lot of this discussion.

Yes as a Habs fan I only ever sound off when our guys are hurt, like [url=http://www.rabble.ca/babble/culture/hockey-talk-canada#comment-1103387]h... [url=http://www.rabble.ca/babble/culture/puck-deux#comment-1224677]here[/url] and [url=http://www.rabble.ca/babble/canadian-politics/ndp-calls-probe-sports-vio....

So how do you feel about Komisarek's suspension for boarding Carcillo? Or is Carcillo just more of a man for having walked away from that one with his neck and noodle intact?

Fidel

[url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/jeff-blair/hockey-facing-its-stero... facing its steroid moment[/url]

Globe&Mail wrote:
There are those in Parliament, like NDP Sports Critic Glenn Thibeault, who would like to set up a royal commission to examine sports injuries. This is, of course, an eye-roller for the live-and-let-die crowd. It’s also quintessentially Canadian, since any such committee will naturally morph into a committee focused on hockey and, well, you don’t go there if you’re Canadian, do you?

Don’t believe me? Ask the former NHL players who needed a U.S. court in Boston to finally bring former NHLPA chief Alan Eagleson to justice. They weren’t going to get it on this side of the border.

The Montreal Gazette wrote:
[url=New">http://www.montrealgazette.com/sports/Canadians+react+imposes+suspension... Democratic MP Glenn Thibeault[/url] said the country "was stunned silent (Tuesday) night as we witnessed yet another shattering-on-ice head shot. Max Pacioretty joins a long list of athletes who will soon know the devastating effects of a concussion."

Thibeault implored the governing Conservatives to support a New Democratic Party bill aimed at reducing concussions and serious injuries in amateur sports.

They think Canada is just a backwater colony. And it is.

West Coast Greeny

Everybody needs to stop hyperventalating. Now.

The league made the right call. There is no evidence, none, that Chara had any intention or even awareness the fact he was running Paciorretty into the stanchon. The photo that RevolutionPlease posted is incredibly inconvienent to Chara. Looking at the video, its pretty clear the glove never came off the shoulder. 

Furthermore, Chara is not an Avery, Bertuzzi or Simon (and if you don't know those three names, go away now please. You're clearly too ignorant on hockey to discuss this). In 14 years of hockey, and over 850 games, he has never been suspended by the league. He has never pulled an action that has been seen as so questionable he might get suspended by the league. He is not a player that would do this. 

So with the lie directly thrown at Chara out of the way, let's get to the other one: The NHL is more violent today, than it was in yesteryears.

Wrong. The NHL was incredibly more violent back in the 70's than it was today, and more violent during the Original Six era than it was during the 70's. 

1925 - Billy Coutu bodyslams Eddie Shore, amputating Shore's ear. Worth pointing out these two were teammates who were playing together in practice at the time. 

1927 - Billy Coutu assaults one referee, tackles another, and starts a bench clearing brawl under the orders of coach Art Ross. Worth pointing out said coach has a trophy named after him.

1932 - Shore punches Ace Bailey from behind, knocking him unconcious and ending his career. Worth pointing out that Shore is now in the Hockey Hall of Fame. 

1955 - Maurice Richard knocks out a linesman. Worth pointing out that me simply mentioning this has probably given the BQ a one point bounce in the polls. 

1969 - Two NHL players engage in what is essentally a stick swinging sword fight in a preseason game, resulting in one player receiving a fractured skull and brain damage. 

1972 - Bobby Clarke slashes Soviet star player Valeri Kharlamov's ankle during the summit series, with the intent of breaking it, under the orders of coach John Ferguson (fun fact, Furguson is a great-uncle of mine). Move lauded as not only a display of tough hockey, but a display of great patriotism.

The 70's - The Broad Street Bullies. For a sample of their play, click here.

1999 - Eric Lindros attempts to crush Andreas Dackell's skull. Hit is not only considered clean, but by the rules of those days, is actually clean. Lindros goes unpenalized and unsuspended. 

Fidel

No wonder it feels like 1929 all over again. Gee, our old LaSalle ran great. Those were the days. It's like nothing changes in the Northern Puerto Rico.

They should bring back smoking on the court 1970s style, and fights during commercial breaks during NBA games. We're tired of watching all these finesse players soaring through the air to the bucket unscathed by so much as an elbow to the head. BOR-ing! I think I'll stick with diet pepsi, or something.

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West Coast Greeny wrote:

 The photo that RevolutionPlease posted is incredibly inconvienent to Chara. Looking at the video, its pretty clear the glove never came off the shoulder. 

 

Good grief.  Unless you have evidence it was photoshopped, it's clear it was a head shot in slow motion.

I'm a Laff fan, I have no reason to side with a fucking Hab.

FUCK!

 

West Coast Greeny

RevolutionPlease wrote:

West Coast Greeny wrote:

 The photo that RevolutionPlease posted is incredibly inconvienent to Chara. Looking at the video, its pretty clear the glove never came off the shoulder. 

 

Good grief.  Unless you have evidence it was photoshopped, it's clear it was a head shot in slow motion.

I'm a Laff fan, I have no reason to side with a fucking Hab.

FUCK!

You're still wrong, and still hyperventalating.

It's not photoshopped. It's the effect of the zoom lens. When you take a photo from 50+ feet away, two objects which are about 6 inches away in depth can appear to directly in contact. Look at the replay again. It's clear as day that Chara's forearm and glove are against Max's shoulder. I'm not siding with Bruins or Habs here. I'm pointing out who's right and who's wrong.

Fidel

Well then Chara shouldn't mind if he's suspended a few games in order to impress upon other NHLers to be careful not to RUN AN OPPOSING PLAYER'S HEAD UP AGAINST THE STANCHION or any other stationary objects not compatible with human health in general. Fair enough?

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I give up WCG.  I thought the still photography might sway some opinion but I guess not.

 

WEIRD!

Fidel

alan smithee wrote:
And isn't it funny that Colin Campbell's son Gregory plays for the B's?...And that Chara is a franchise player?

Yes it is funny now that you mention it.  [url=http://bruins.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8470169]Greg Campbell[/url], NHL "Player's Association" pres Colin Campbell's son.

[url=http://www.vancouversun.com/news/stars+Henrik+Sedin+Thornton+into+Zdeno+... stars Henrik Sedin, Joe Thornton rip into Zdeno Chara decision, Bruins[/url]
Canucks captain questions league’s logic, while ex-Boston captain wonders about his former team’s ‘horse shoe’

milo204

he does have a point though.  that is the effect of a zoom lens, and since the pictures seem to look different than the video it seems to be the case.

if the hit to the head was that clear, how on earth could the NHL find a way to not suspend him for a head shot?

politicalnick

One 'frezze frame' does not tell the entire story. These guys are moving at 30k or faster. the whole hit fro start to him hitting the ice was only about 1 second.

Fidel

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2K0_1pKzXaI&feature=youtube_gdata_player]... Will Be Made: Chara Hit on Pacioretty[/url] YouTube

politicalnick

alan smithee wrote:

Yeah...It was a clean hit.

 

Fuck off.

How polite. Such depth of thought and perspective. You talk to children with that attitude too?

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Yeah...It was a clean hit.

And Kennedy didn't get his brain blown out of his head in '63...It was the zoom lens playing an optical illusion.

 

Seriously..Fuck right the hell off.

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politicalnick wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

Yeah...It was a clean hit.

 

Fuck off.

How polite. Such depth of thought and perspective. You talk to children with that attitude too?

 

You know what?

You can kiss my ass....If I wanted to talk to children I'd continue to talk to the likes of you,Buckwheat.

Get off your high horse

 

Anyway,I'm withdrawing from this thread because I'm getting mad and I don't want to say anything that'll get me banned.

But now people are going to find excuses for images showing what they show?

I'm sure the next excuse will be that it was Pacioretty that guided Chara's hand and forearm into the back of his head.

There's just too much bias in this thread..Too many people who deny the world is round simply because they hate the person who proved it.

 

 

Fidel

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all-concussed team for 2010-11.

Centre: Sidney Crosby, Brad Richards, Marc Savard, David Krejci, John Tavares, Bryan Little.

Left wing: Johan Franzen, Andy McDonald, David Perron, Max Pacioretty, Rene Bourque.

Right wing: Marian Gaborik, Ales Hemsky, Jason Pominville, Mike Knuble.

Defence: Drew Doughty, Mike Green, Brad Stuart, Toni Lydman, Dan Hamhuis, Andrej Meszaros, Nick Schultz

Goal: Jonas Hiller, Ondrej Pavelec It's a pretty complete roster, although a real general manager might tinker with it to add some grit (there's plenty available, with the likes of Colby Armstrong, Steve Montador, Cam Janssen etc

Or they could just change the rules a little to make it a total goon fest. Who's tired of watching dish-meisters like Savard and Gaborik making nice plays? Who's fed up with the snipers like Crosby and Gaborik undressing goons like Chara and going top shelf?  The armchair athletes and idiots who never had any talent for the game themselves, that's who.

al-Qa'bong

I don't recall a media frenzy over this, similar hit:

Hal Gill slams Jon Sim's head into a stanchion

Freedom 55

alan smithee wrote:

 

If I wanted to talk to children I'd continue to talk to the likes of you,Buckwheat.

 

 

I don't know what you meant by this, but it comes across as racist.

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Freedom 55 wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

 

If I wanted to talk to children I'd continue to talk to the likes of you,Buckwheat.

 

 

I don't know what you meant by this, but it comes across as racist.

 

I'm a racist?...lol

Smoke another rock.

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I'm a racist?...lol

Smoke another rock.

 

It never rains but it pours.

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'Buckwheat'...as in 'Buddy'

The racism is in your mind...I suppose next I'll be called a terrorist or a pinko.

But way to start attacking me for having a little outrage on an injustice.

You'd all make Harper very proud.

Caissa

thread drift/ I think the confusion is over the character Buckwheat in Little Rascals/end thread drift

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al-Qa'bong wrote:

I don't recall a media frenzy over this, similar hit:

Hal Gill slams Jon Sim's head into a stanchion

 

Very good point..That should have been taken up as an issue.

But atleast he didn't break the guy's neck.

BTW,I guarantee you that if Gill's hit resulted in the same scene and injury as Chara's hit and was not given a suspension that alot of people downplaying Chara's dirty hit would be taking up the same position as mine.

 

WCG..I guess Sedin and Thornton are just 2 whining over reacting Hab fans,eh?

After all,they said pretty much what I said.

And I take it you're from the West Coast...If the team was the Canucks instead of the Canadiens and the player was one of the twins and not Pacioretty,I'd love to hear the tune you'd be singing.

 

al-Qa'bong

I saw a movie (that Russian roulette guy from The Deer Hunter was in it), in which "buckwheats" had a very different connotation.

politicalnick

alan smithee wrote:

'Buckwheat'...as in 'Buddy'

The racism is in your mind...I suppose next I'll be called a terrorist or a pinko.

But way to start attacking me for having a little outrage on an injustice.

You'd all make Harper very proud.

I was kicked for 2 days for less of a direct racist comment without the personal attack attached. You were totally flaggged. Lets see how fair the Mods are...

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politicalnick wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

'Buckwheat'...as in 'Buddy'

The racism is in your mind...I suppose next I'll be called a terrorist or a pinko.

But way to start attacking me for having a little outrage on an injustice.

You'd all make Harper very proud.

I was kicked for 2 days for less of a direct racist comment without the personal attack attached. You were totally flaggged. Lets see how fair the Mods are...

Thread drift...You've been flagged

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Hey alan, I'm sure you didn't know this, but "Buckwheat" refers to a 1930s black character on the Little Rascals who was represented as a racial stereotype. So the term itself is a racist pejorative, and is frequently used as such. Again, I know this is not what you meant, but the word has a history. Please refrain from using it. I should also add that telling other babblers to "fuck off" isn't cool either. No fighting in the hockey thread!

Now, can we get back to hockey?

al-Qa'bong

You never see antics like this in the figure skating threads.

Caissa

We have figure skating threads?Surprised

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Sorry Catchfire...I didn't intend to use a term that could be deemed racist...I'll refrain from that term in the future.

I will also refrain from telling anyone to fuck off.

Clearly,the issue at hand makes me too angry to use better judgement.

I'm going to stay away from this thread.

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Thanks alan--I know you didn't mean it that way. And I enjoyed your posts, but we can't have you telling other babblers to fuck off. After all, as al-Q says, this ain't figure skating.

Fidel

al-Qa'bong wrote:

I don't recall a media frenzy over this, similar hit:

Hal Gill slams Jon Sim's head into a stanchion

Hey well now that makes it okay doesn't it. What were we thinking? As long as they can get away with it in the NHL, it's okay. Slam away, kiddies!

Fidel

al-Qa'bong wrote:

You never see antics like this in the figure skating threads.

And that crook Alan Eagleson was safe from colonial administrative law in the Northern Puerto Rico. It took a court in Bean Town of all cities to try and convict the bastard. We should have more white males in Parliament and Senate making the laws governing women and their children, and for girly men on skates, too, apparently

milo204

i think the debate in this thread pretty much points to just how divisive this is.  It's not cut and dry that it was a dirty hit with intent to injure and that to me is why chara wasn't suspended.

some think it was, some think it wasn't.  both sides have their reasoning and evidence to back it up.

however, it seems much of the talk from the players (including pacioretty himself) seems to point to this not being intentional and people wanting punishment for the result, not the action.

and to me, if chara has a responsibility to "Ease up" and basically let pac get the puck and go score a goal, isn't it just as fair to say to the offensive player, up by four goals, instead of going into a dangerous area to leave the puck alone or let chara get it first?

of course not.  players are expected to risk life and limb for their sport and because of this injuries like this will happen.  just like breaking your legs going in for an icing.  it's stupid and often results in injury because no one--offensive or defensive--is able to let up to avoid injury.

 

al-Qa'bong

Sensible post, milo.

Tonight my boys and I watched a CTV clip of that hit over and over, and we concluded that the Chara hit was nasty, but it wasn't a deliberate attempt to drive Pacioretty's head into the stanchion (I'm going back to my original opinion).  The problems are that Chara is monstrously huge and strong (Remember his fight with Bryan McCabe?  Chara threw McCabe around like a rag doll) and there is a structural fault in the design of the glass near the penalty boxes.

 

I blame le Centre Bell.

Fidel

Chara's father was an olympic wrestler, and Chara's pretty handy with his mitts. They didn't fight in Slovakian hockey - he's attained that special skill here in North America.

 Chara has a mean streak. It's what NHL teams look for when scouting players. It's been that way for a long time, too. Chara's a big man, and he definitely knew what he was doing out there. He's played at the Bell Centre enough times to be more than familiar with the surroundings, and he knows his own strength inside out. They don't pay him millions to be a couch potato, as much that idea might appeal to extreme amateur athletes everywhere.

And let's face it, he went berzerk on the ice just the month before over a minor incident with the exact same player. It's a good thing Gill was there to take some energy away from him, or there could have been some harm done. Chara's not your average armchair athlete with a mild manner. Chara's a world class athlete and a competitor with a mean streak.

I think if we want to see premium hockey, there need to be some rule changes. With NBA rule changes in the early 90s, flagrant fouls were defined. Five points against now means auto ejection from the game. Throw a punch and they're out. No hand-checking or grabbing a player, and no interference with a player with a clear path to the basket. There are so many ways they could make the game of hockey better to watch. We need Air Jordans  and Syd Crosbys not idiot of the month with the latest grotesque display of goonery on ice. Who wants to watch that? A lot of Canadians are fed up with the obvious dumb plays, like Cooke on Savard and Chara on Pacioretty. It's senseless, meaningless down time for the skaters with real talent.

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Gee,I wonder why Bettman was so militant in defending Chara and dismissing the hit.

Well,the cat's out of the bag.

Bettman was given a 5 year contract extension the day after the infamous verdict and the same day the NHL found the Kubina misplaced elbow worthy of a 3 game suspension.

Seems Gary received this contract with the strong recommendation of Jeremy Jacobs...Owner of the Boston Bruins and president of the NHL board of governors.

 

 

From RDS -

Malgré toute la controverse des derniers jours entourant le cas Max Pacioretty, Gary Bettman ne risque pas de perdre son emploi de sitôt.

Selon ce que révèle le Globe and Mail, le commissaire de la Ligue nationale a reçu une prolongation de cinq ans.

C'est sous la forte recommandation du propriétaire des Bruins, Jeremy Jacobs, que Bettman a reçu ce vote de confiance.

Jacobs est également président du comité des gouverneurs de la LNH et son mandat consiste à nommer les principaux dirigeants de la ligue, dont le commissaire.

 

The NHL's discipinary committee is corrupt and in a blatant conflict of interest with Colin Campbell's son a member of the Boston Bruins and the president of the board of governors whose mandate includes naming the league's commisioner is also the owner of the Boston Bruins.

The NHL's governing body is colluded.

And Bettman is a little arrogant worm.

 

And with that,I have nothing else to say about this.

 

Make of that as you will.

Fidel

Ya I think some of the comments in this thread are completely out to lunch, too.

Off.

politicalnick

alan smithee wrote:

The NHL's governing body is colluded.

And Bettman is a little arrogant worm.

 

You have only just realized this?

500_Apples

How is the Molsons are not among the most powerful owners?

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politicalnick wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

The NHL's governing body is colluded.

And Bettman is a little arrogant worm.

 

You have only just realized this?

Sorry..it wasn't directed at you,Bob McKenzie

ilha formosa

wow...last time I looked there were only a few posts here and I haven't read everything above...

Anyway, I don't care about intent. It's like the drawing of blood rule, a player automatically gets penalized for it. This makes players more cautious with their sticks.

So I still say, an automatic minimum suspension and fine for hits resulting in head/neck injuries, which can be increased if a review finds there was intent.

ilha formosa

A review of more padding around dangerous spots like around the team benches obviously needs to be done too, Mr. Murphy. You dork, you didn't even say anything about that. How long before we witness a fatal injury? Or does the NHL need to attract more of the American market away from MMA?

And goofball goons like Avery who intentionally stomp on other players with skate blades need to be banished from earning money in hockey, anywhere.

What concerns me further, is that there are a lot of kids watching the NHL. It's supposed to be a game played for fun, at least it was originally.

I am disgusted.

al-Qa'bong

There isn't a lot of difference between this discussion and what was said about the Todd Bertuzzi incident.  Habs fans are howling for Chara's blood yet look the other way when examples of similar plays by Montreal are raised (Remember Mike van Ryn?  He never played again after his face and skull were crushed from a hit from behind against Montreal - the chorus of Bleu blanc et rouge was that it was a clean hit).  Canucks fans claimed that St. Bertootsi was merely resisting the attack of Steve Moore, an assassin sent by Satan to harm the gentle Swede, Mats Naslund.

I was talking to another coach about the Chara hit at my kid's game last night.  We agreed that there has to be a change in rink design.  I suggested angling the glass at these junctions; he said he's seen rinks where two seats are removed and are replaced by huge padding.

I recorded the Leafs game, as our game took place at the same time. When I watched the recording I was pleased to see that Don Cherry literally drew up a picture of exactly what I suggested as a solution.

Unionist

Ah... glad to see this thread is almost over. Now I can safely give my opinion without being called a wimp, or a totalitarian, or a killjoy, or whatever (see the recreational sports deaths threads for more on this topic).

Body checking is banned in women's hockey.

Body checking is banned in children's hockey (below a certain age, varies by time and jurisdiction).

This is sexist and discriminatory.

Body checking should be banned in all hockey.

Don't like it? Watch boxing matches or WWII newsreels.

Hockey is possible without deliberate physical violence. It's a different game. It's a better game. And it's more respectful of human beings.

 

 

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There isn't a lot of difference between this discussion and what was said about the Todd Bertuzzi incident.  Habs fans are howling for Chara's blood yet look the other way when examples of similar plays by Montreal are raised (Remember Mike van Ryn?  He never played again after his face and skull were crushed from a hit from behind against Montreal - the chorus of Bleu blanc et rouge was that it was a clean hit).  Canucks fans claimed that St. Bertootsi was merely resisting the attack of Steve Moore, an assassin sent by Satan to harm the gentle Swede, Mats Naslund.

I was talking to another coach about the Chara hit at my kid's game last night.  We agreed that there has to be a change in rink design.  I suggested angling the glass at these junctions; he said he's seen rinks where two seats are removed and are replaced by huge padding.

I don't understand the first paragraph, or the comparison with Bertuzzi, unless your accusation of the hypocrisy of Habs fans is a non-sequitur. Do you think the hit was clean or not? At any rate, the consensus here seems to be that it doesn't matter if the hit was clean: he broke his bloody neck. A player needs to be responsible for his own body and control.

As for the second, this doesn't really accord with your argument about helmets, plastic pads and visors leading to head injuries. Hasn't covering ourselves (and now, apparently, our rinks) with more and more armour led to more injuries, rather than less? Why do you think this will work differently?

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Cherry also spinned this to make it look like a Montreal 'conspiracy'...How predictable.

I've asked the question and I'll ask it again...What would an asshole like Don Cherry say if this involved the Leafs and the player was,say,Phil Kessel?

Cherry is a biased jackass..And he always has been.

I like the way Cherry ripped apart Geoff Molson and Air Canada for having their offices in Montreal and how,if he's going to bring up self interests,bias or collusion,he conveniently omits the elephant in the living room--Jeremy Jacobs is the owner of the Boston Bruins AND the president of the NHL board of governors and is the man who chooses the commissioner and approves his contract..Just like that nice 5 year extension Bettman was rewarded with right after finding Chara innnocent on all charges.

The NHL is corrupt and it has been proven and STILL people make excuses or look passed it becuase it involved an organization that SO many Canadians hate and for the league,a Canadian franchise that is not on the list of  priorities or fits the agenda the NHL is committed to.

Did Chara deserve to be arrested?...Absolutely not...Should he have been suspended for 10 games?..5 games?..NO...He SHOULD have got the typical 3 games evryone gets for a head shot..Should sponsors review their contracts with whatever company,event or individual they feel they do not want to associate themselves with?..Of course....And the talk of pulling sponsorship from the league is NOT unprecedented.

Sponsors do this type of thing all the time..The fact that Bettman dismissed that threat has everything to do with his arrogance,his ego and his contempt for Canadian sponsors..If that were Anheiser-Busch,you can bet your last dime that he'd take that very seriously.

I read that 60% of the NHL's revenue comes from the Canadian teams and Canadian sponsors and Canadian television...I wouldn't be surprised if that figure is much larger.

And out of that 60%, 2/3's of it come from 2 teams..The Canadiens and the Leafs..followed closely by the Canucks.

The NHL LOVES Canadian revenues but has nothing but contempt and disdain for our clubs and the fans.

And I'm sorry to say but this systematic condoning of a flagrant cheap shot and Quebec bashing is stemmed in bias and the worst case of Canadian contempt for the province of Quebec.

And it starts with that fuckin' huge gaping dirty asshole named Don Cherry all the way down the line.

 

 

al-Qa'bong

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Body checking should be banned in all hockey.

 

And tackling and blocking should be banned in football, and overhand pitching should be banned in baseball.

 

 

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I don't understand the first paragraph, or the comparison with Bertuzzi...

I wasn't referring to the incidents, but to the similarities between the biases of the arguments.

I find a lot of these hockey discussions frustrating, as a lot of those for whom hockey is a little more than a TV show starring a guy in outrageous costumes feel they have to make pronouncements on something I've been doing since I could walk.

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You've been playing pro-NHL hockey since you could walk? Ron, Ron, sign him up!

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One of the talking heads on CBC Sports mentioned that concussions are substantial in women's hockey at the highest level. Full body checking isn't allowed in women's hockey so, if this claim is true, it points to concussions being caused by collisions NOT involving hits to the head.

After Dale Earnhart died of a head injury (base of the skull fracture, etc) the NASCAR racers/business finally agreed that the driver's helmets need to be attached in such a way that the deadly de-acceleration associated with certain kinds of crashes (front quarter panel crashes i think) won't kill the drivers. Earnhart had been the leader of those opposing this innovation ... and he paid for his obstinacy with his life.

The more we understand concussions the more we can expect substanial changes to physical sports.

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