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MegB
Worst movie ever

Okay, so I rented a Brad Pitt movie. How bad could a Brad Pitt zombie apocalypse movie be? Well, really really bad. World War Z is deeply awful. It's offensive on so many levels, I'm not sure where to begin.

It could be the totally predictable plot, or maybe the fact that there were few female characters and they were mostly relegated to the "helpless females/caregiver" role (a nine year old boy gets the role of protector of women and girls who have already shown themselves to be survivors). The worst, however, was the blatant pro-Israel, anti-Palestinian propaganda.

After escaping the zombie-laden US, the hero (Brad Pitt) has a conversation with a Mossad agent in Jerusalem. Said agent rationalizes the existence of the wall between Israel and Palestine. Then Palestinians, who are all zombies, flood the wall and take over Jerusalem.

This falls under the WTF am I wasting my money on category. It doesn't get any worse than that, but it doesn't get any better. 2 hours of my life I'll never get back.

Unionist

Rebecca West wrote:
Then Palestinians, who are all zombies, flood the wall and take over Jerusalem.

Sounds cool to me.

 

Paladin1

I found that I actually liked the movie.

I liked the fact that the hero was not some army special forces type guy but someone from the UN.   He was a thinker and not a gun fighter.

 

I don't know much about the Israel-Palastine situation but the scene of Israel "letting everyone in" felt like a sorta propaganda message.

 

I'm currently reading the Zombie Survival guide and will be reading World War Z next. I'm curious to see how different the book is from the movie.

janfromthebruce

Just thought it fitted under zombie thread where Pat Martin's Zombie Apocalypse question has over 2.1 MILLION views on YouTube

When the Zombie Apocalypse was mentioned in the House of Comm

Canada will never be a safe haven for zombies, ever!

Lou Arab Lou Arab's picture

That's a shame. Because the book was fantastic.

Bacchus

Paladin1 wrote:

I found that I actually liked the movie.

I liked the fact that the hero was not some army special forces type guy but someone from the UN.   He was a thinker and not a gun fighter.

 

I don't know much about the Israel-Palastine situation but the scene of Israel "letting everyone in" felt like a sorta propaganda message.

 

I'm currently reading the Zombie Survival guide and will be reading World War Z next. I'm curious to see how different the book is from the movie.

 

The book is awesome and totally completely unrelated to the film. Its like a James Bond movie where all they did was take the Book title for the movie title and the name of the villain.

 

 

abnormal

Rebecca, if you're looking for the worst movie ever don't ignore Plan 9 From Outer Space

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOSWA9OBjls

 

 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

For my tastes there is only one great zombie movie.

Shaun of the Dead was both funny and "scary" in parts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfDUv3ZjH2k

mark_alfred

Rebecca West wrote:
The worst, however, was the blatant pro-Israel, anti-Palestinian propaganda.

 

After escaping the zombie-laden US, the hero (Brad Pitt) has a conversation with a Mossad agent in Jerusalem. Said agent rationalizes the existence of the wall between Israel and Palestine. Then Palestinians, who are all zombies, flood the wall and take over Jerusalem.

 

This falls under the WTF am I wasting my money on category. It doesn't get any worse than that, but it doesn't get any better. 2 hours of my life I'll never get back.

I was dragged to this film by a friend of mine, and had the same reaction to this scene.  Many have stated that the book was better, so perhaps in the book there's more context or something, I dunno.  But the movie certainly didn't work for me.  The only slightly interesting scene was near the end where there was this zombie with chattering teeth, and Pitt was attempting to avoid getting spotted by it -- there was a slight bit of suspense at this point (but, it was too little too late).  Otherwise, a painful and boring waste of time.

I'm not a great fan of zombie films.  But, one that was interesting (and Canadian) is called Pontypool.  Lightly recommended if you're in the mood for an odd zombie film.

On the topic of film recommendations for genres of film that I normally avoid, there's an interesting Swedish film about vampires called Let the Right One In.  Recommended if you're in the mood for an odd vampire film.

Bacchus

mark_alfred wrote:

Rebecca West wrote:
The worst, however, was the blatant pro-Israel, anti-Palestinian propaganda.

 

After escaping the zombie-laden US, the hero (Brad Pitt) has a conversation with a Mossad agent in Jerusalem. Said agent rationalizes the existence of the wall between Israel and Palestine. Then Palestinians, who are all zombies, flood the wall and take over Jerusalem.

 

This falls under the WTF am I wasting my money on category. It doesn't get any worse than that, but it doesn't get any better. 2 hours of my life I'll never get back.

I was dragged to this film by a friend of mine, and had the same reaction to this scene.  Many have stated that the book was better, so perhaps in the book there's more context or something, I dunno.  But the movie certainly didn't work for me.  The only slightly interesting scene was near the end where there was this zombie with chattering teeth, and Pitt was attempting to avoid getting spotted by it -- there was a slight bit of suspense at this point (but, it was too little too late).  Otherwise, a painful and boring waste of time.

I'm not a great fan of zombie films.  But, one that was interesting (and Canadian) is called Pontypool.  Lightly recommended if you're in the mood for an odd zombie film.

On the topic of film recommendations for genres of film that I normally avoid, there's an interesting Swedish film about vampires called Let the Right One In.  Recommended if you're in the mood for an odd vampire film.

 

In the book, only two countries do well, South Africa and Israel. Because they deliberately wall themselves off, abandoning lots to their fate and deliberately setting up 'bait' groups of refugees to attract zombies and keep them away from themselves. Universally condemned in the book and a real possibility for any pandemic that couldf happen

overthere

"The worst, however, was the blatant pro-Israel, anti-Palestinian propaganda."

 

How so?  Israel as a state was annihilated in that scene.  The Palestinians got it back, though not in any manner contemplated by modern observers.

 

The movie is a silly action flick that was entertaining on the level intended.

Worst movie ever?  Not a contender.

6079_Smith_W

@ abnormal

I don't know. Plan 9 gets points for style and cult status, and has worked its way into the culture in a way most of the current Hollywood crop never will.

 

Real worst movie? I don't think there is one single answer, but I know Forrest Gump would be on my list. Never mind that anyone outside of America would have trouble understanding it at all, that movie is bad and soul-destroying on so many levels.

The scene where whatshername gets AIDS and dies in about 30 seconds was the last straw for me.

MegB

Obviously the thread title contains more than a little hyperbole. Plan 9 From Outer Space is one of the best bad movies ever, along with Attack of the Killer Tomatoes, and They Saved Hitler's Brain. Gloriously awful.

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

It's hard for me to think of the worst movie of all time, but Paul Haggis's Crash (2004) is a perennial contender. Terrible dialogue, terrible acting and it eminates self-righteousness of the worst order -- and has just about the worst racial politics of any movie, let alone one which is trying to forward a nuanced take on race in the 21st century...

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

I think you may have it, CF.  I found Crash infuriating, doubly so because of all the fawning about how wonderful it was.  I'm still disgusted.  Not the racism alone...  Sexual assault redeemed?!  Seriously? 'Cause, y'know, it's not that big a deal in the grand scheme...

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

Actually, on the merits, the single worst movie of all time(at least among those NOT directed by Madonna)would be this classic:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manos:_The_Hands_of_Fate

It's even appropriate to discuss it on Babble because of its goddessawful gender politics.

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

Timebandit wrote:
Sexual assault redeemed?!  Seriously? 'Cause, y'know, it's not that big a deal in the grand scheme...

Omg I know. But...but..but we get to see how complicated it can be. Because of his nice dad, or something.

It also brought out the worst in the actors. Sandra Bullock, Matt Dillon and Don Cheadle, if well cast, can be in some good films (although god knows not many). But they just were such stiff bores in this film -- while acting out atrocious politics and awful dialogue. Not to mention calling it "Crash" in the first place as if Cronenberg had never made his film. If Haggis had just done 2 hrs of Due South that would be much preferable. I'd give him an Oscar for not making Crash.

6079_Smith_W

Catchfire wrote:

Not to mention calling it "Crash" in the first place as if Cronenberg had never made his film.  

Ha! And here I thought I was being a total hipster for NOT seeing it for that reason.

(well actually, I just had no desire to see it, and had never heard of it until the award. But the fact it shared the name with that other, brilliant film, and more brilliant book  pissed me off)

 

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

If by "complicated" you mean "my privilege bewilders and blinds me to the pain of the other..." (be that other race or sex or both)

I also had a moment of consternation about the title.  Cronenberg's Crash wasn't all that far in the past when Haggis' came out.  From a fellow Canadian (even though he's an ex-pat), it seemed like a slap in the face.

The blond guy and I watched the film, turned it off, sat in silence for about 30 seconds and then said "What a piece of crap" at the same time.  This is what happens when you spend too much time together - you speak in stereo.

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

The blond guy and I watched the film, turned it off, sat in silence for about 30 seconds and then said "What a piece of crap" at the same time.  This is what happens when you spend too much time together - you speak in stereo.

Lol! That reminds me of a more recent nominee for worst movie ever -- since that's the same reaction my partner and I had after watching Terrence Malick's The Tree of Life. Although I think it was somthing like: "Fucking dinosaurs?"

I know a lot of people think that movie is some kind of genius -- and people I (used to?) respect too. Peter Bradshaw of the Guardian, a usually great critic, compared it to 2001: A Space Odyssey. And let's face it, I am the target audience of this kind of self-reflexive artsy intellectric wank job. And I have never wanted to walk out of a theatre more. (Apologies to anyone who loved that film. #notreally)

voice of the damned

Timebandit wrote:

I also had a moment of consternation about the title.  Cronenberg's Crash wasn't all that far in the past when Haggis' came out.  From a fellow Canadian (even though he's an ex-pat), it seemed like a slap in the face.

Slight correction, but I don't think Cronenberg's an expat. As far as I know, he still lives and works in Toronto. Though these days does not strive much for Canadian content in his work.

 

Catchfire Catchfire's picture

I think she was talking about Haggis, not Cronenberg.

voice of the damned

Whoa! Good thing I edited my original post, the one opening with "Grab a brain, Timebandit!"

(Just kidding, TB. And yes, of course, Haggis is a Canadian, and an expat. Thanks for the countercorrection.)

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

Yes, yes, I meant Haggis was the ex-pat, not Cronenberg! 

Haggis moved to LA early in his career.  Cronenberg is still here in the Great White North.

 

richardp

Unionist wrote:

Rebecca West wrote:
Then Palestinians, who are all zombies, flood the wall and take over Jerusalem.

Sounds cool to me.

 

Sieg Heil, mein Furher!

Unionist

richardp wrote:

Unionist wrote:

Rebecca West wrote:
Then Palestinians, who are all zombies, flood the wall and take over Jerusalem.

Sounds cool to me.

 

Sieg Heil, mein Furher!

I've flagged your post because you spelled Führer wrong.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

oops

lagatta

Unless he's talking about furriers.

richardp

Unionist wrote:

I've flagged your post because you spelled Führer wrong.

 

Wow, not just any old Nazi, but a spelling Nazi as well!

6079_Smith_W

Actually before too long it's going to be plain old fuehrer, then it will just be tacky metal band bling (I thought they had done away with it, but in fact it is still there).

As with everything else in the world, you can blame the Chinese:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/10273626/End-fu...

Speaking of movies, good and bad, here's a monster smorgasbord, directed by Guillermo del Toro:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtgYY7dhTyE 

 

 

Unionist

lagatta wrote:

Unless he's talking about furriers.

Hi lagatta. Just to be clear, I've asked for richardp to be banned, for calling me a Nazi - twice now. I hope fellow babblers will support this request, in case the mods are reluctant.

 

6079_Smith_W

I do take your outrage seriously U.

But honestly, I see throwing "Nazi" around as evidence that the term is increasingly meaningless, and the user runs the risk of being seen as some lightweight dumbass who should probably be pulled aside and given a polite word.

 

 

MegB

*Pulling richardp aside* Please don't call other babblers Nazis.

Sineed

Ed Wood's movies (Plan 9 from Outer Space, Glen or Glenda) perennially make "worst of" lists, but Ed didn't make bad movies on purpose. He really cared and had a vision of sorts, though it was trite, shallow and pointlessly eccentric. There's a great scene in the movie "Ed Wood," where he meets Orson Welles, and they become instant buddies, commiserating over drinks about the tribulations of making movies in Hollywood. One of my favourite movie moments ever is Orson leaning into Ed and saying in a tone of hushed horror: "They want me to cast Charleton Heston as a Mexican."

Worst movie I've seen was Showgirls, 1995. Cynical, nasty, shamelessly exploitative crap that showcases the worst of Hollywood. Though the following dialogue had me ROFLing:

Quote:

Nomi Malone: Don't they have brown rice and vegetables?

Cristal Connors: Do you like brown rice and vegetables?

Nomi Malone: Yeah.

Cristal Connors: You do?

Nomi Malone: Sort of.

Cristal Connors: Really?

Nomi Malone: It's worse than dog food.

[Cristal laughs]

Nomi Malone: It is!

Cristal Connors: I've had dog food.

Nomi Malone: You have?

Cristal Connors: Mmm-hmmm. Long time ago. Doggy Chow. I used to love Doggy Chow.

Nomi Malone: I used to love Doggy Chow, too!

[Cristal and Nomi touch their chips together]

MegB

Quoting a satire of Scream: What's your favourite scary movie? Showgirls.

richardp

Rebecca West wrote:
*Pulling richardp aside* Please don't call other babblers Nazis.

Heh -- you're correct and I apologize.  "Nazi" is probably an inappropriate term and certainly not accurate.  Would, however, revelling in the thought of Palestinian zombies running rampant over Jerusalem (and thus killing non-Palestinians as a result) be considered an anti-semetic or "racist" thought?  "Anti-semetic" because the majority of Jerusalem's population is Jewish, but more accurately "racist" because there are a number of different non-Palestinian races in the city's demographic breakdown.  Please advise.

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

TCM (Turner Classic Movies) has been showing a lot of black and white movies from Hollywood in the 1950s recently, and with few exceptions, most of them are pretty bad. I grew up with that stuff, and it's fun to see just how bad they were - and now with closed captioning. Laughing

sherpa-finn

RW wrote: *Pulling richardp aside* Please don't call other babblers Nazis.

Which takes us straight to Godwin's Law of internet discussions...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfDCwP2SnI4

 

6079_Smith_W

The Room is supposed to be one of those movies which is so bad it is great. It is playing here in a few weeks and friend of mine absolutely raved about it - saying it is hard to believe anyone could make such a movie:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Room_%28film%29 

 

 

6079_Smith_W

We could get sucked into some discussion about how if this was real EVERYONE on the other side of that wall would be threatened, and how zombies don't think. But I think this is a fantasy story that isn't supposed to be taken literally. At least I don't think it is something that is ever in any danger of really happening.

Oh.... and I think it was a joke too.

Now 'scuse me. I have to get back to writing my very important complaint to the CTRC because those old Star Trek reruns are anti-labour - seeing as the red shirts are always the ones who get killed.

 

 

 

Boom Boom Boom Boom's picture

Timebandit wrote:

 Cronenberg is still here in the Great White North.

 

Trivia note: I was on the track at Mosport (Vintage sports car races) in the 1980s with Cronenberg - me in an old Mini Cooper, and Cronenberg in his 1962 Ferrari 250GT roadster. That was just a cruise around the track - while Cronenberg actually raced his car, I was just in the Mini for the one-lap cruise - I never got to race. Frown 

Cronenberg has been a big supporter of VARAC - Vintage Auto Racing Club of Canada. I was a member for a few years.

Unionist

richardp wrote:

Would, however, revelling in the thought of Palestinian zombies running rampant over Jerusalem (and thus killing non-Palestinians as a result) be considered an anti-semetic or "racist" thought?  "Anti-semetic" because the majority of Jerusalem's population is Jewish, but more accurately "racist" because there are a number of different non-Palestinian races in the city's demographic breakdown.  Please advise.

I've asked for this character to be banned, once more. I would seriously appreciate some support in that request. He has now called me Nazi (for which he has heh heh heh "apologized" because it may not be "accurate") - and now he's accusing me of being "anti-semetic" (because certain types of characters can't spell) and "racist" (because of all the "races" in Jerusalem).

Never mind his vicious racist assumption that Palestinians would just want to kill "non-Palestinians" and by extension "Jews".

Why would would we want this kind of character, even after being warned, polluting our space?

This is not a minor matter ("don't call babblers Nazis please"). This is not funny.

 

 

Sineed

Boom Boom wrote:

TCM (Turner Classic Movies) has been showing a lot of black and white movies from Hollywood in the 1950s recently, and with few exceptions, most of them are pretty bad. I grew up with that stuff, and it's fun to see just how bad they were - and now with closed captioning. Laughing

I also watch Turner Classic Movies sometimes at a local bar, where they turn the sound off and activate the subtitles. And yeah; I'm realizing how a lot of those "classic" movies were dreadful. I mean, for instance, why was "Father of the Bride" considered seminal enough that it needed to be re-made? It was popular because of its stars, Spencer Tracey and Elizabeth Taylor, and is otherwise pure dreck. And its sequel, "Father's Little Dividend" is truly risible, watchable only through the presence of Spencer Tracey.

Have you seen "Gilda," with Rita Hayworth? Weird weird movie. And just about anything made before 1940 is completely ridiculous.

Interesting factoid, sort of: when my kids (teenagers) watch movies from pre-1960 or so, they say the dialogue is hard to understand. Semantic slippage is leaving the younger generation behind and less likely to ever watch "The Maltese Falcon," or "Citizen Kane" or "Casablanca," etc, for pleasure. These movies are exiting popular culture and entering the realm of academic interest only.

Exceptions: "The Wizard of Oz," of course, that exists in its own weird and timeless reality. And "A Face in the Crowd," an overlooked Andy Griffith vehicle that was waaaaay ahead of its time. 

6079_Smith_W

Okay. Here we go.

Thing is Unionist, they wouldn't be people anymore. They'd be zombies. Which might be important if zombies were actually real.

Yeah this is ignorant, but even more importantly it is designed to get a reaction. How about we not provide that satisfaction?

If we want to get right down to it I think both you and I and a few others here have been on the receiving end of charges of polluting the space.

Back to the topic of movies, I always liked the original best. I don't think I have ever seen a movie that creeped me out more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_of_the_Living_Dead 

 

6079_Smith_W

This one would probably make my worst movie list too - simply because of the utterly creepy message. I never gave it a second viewing, I found it so vile:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_the_Waves

That said, Von Trier made several movies I think are absolutely brilliant.

 

 

Paladin1

Okay oaky, lets not forget that the Israel soldiers use the new Tavor TAR-21 assault rifle which is available for sale in Canada to anyone with a non-restricted licence meaning they can buy it and legally carry it up and down trails `hunting`.

 

 

Clearly they are pushing their pro-gun beliefs on us Canadians with some shameless product placement to boot.

 

 

Also I`m with Unionist. Calling someone a Nazi isn`t cool. There are over 60 pages of threads with the word Nazi being used, someone refering to another member as a Nazi should have a 1 or 2 strike rule in my opinion.

Bacchus

Unionist wrote:

richardp wrote:

Would, however, revelling in the thought of Palestinian zombies running rampant over Jerusalem (and thus killing non-Palestinians as a result) be considered an anti-semetic or "racist" thought?  "Anti-semetic" because the majority of Jerusalem's population is Jewish, but more accurately "racist" because there are a number of different non-Palestinian races in the city's demographic breakdown.  Please advise.

I've asked for this character to be banned, once more. I would seriously appreciate some support in that request. He has now called me Nazi (for which he has heh heh heh "apologized" because it may not be "accurate") - and now he's accusing me of being "anti-semetic" (because certain types of characters can't spell) and "racist" (because of all the "races" in Jerusalem).

Never mind his vicious racist assumption that Palestinians would just want to kill "non-Palestinians" and by extension "Jews".

Why would would we want this kind of character, even after being warned, polluting our space?

This is not a minor matter ("don't call babblers Nazis please"). This is not funny.

 

Totally inaccurate as he should have said self hating jew?

 

Just kidding, this joker needs to go. He isn't going to get better, only worse and his 'apology' should have enlightened anyone

MegB

richardp wrote:

Rebecca West wrote:
*Pulling richardp aside* Please don't call other babblers Nazis.

Heh -- you're correct and I apologize.  "Nazi" is probably an inappropriate term and certainly not accurate.  Would, however, revelling in the thought of Palestinian zombies running rampant over Jerusalem (and thus killing non-Palestinians as a result) be considered an anti-semetic or "racist" thought?  "Anti-semetic" because the majority of Jerusalem's population is Jewish, but more accurately "racist" because there are a number of different non-Palestinian races in the city's demographic breakdown.  Please advise.

Here's my advice. Stop being an asshat or find yourself permanently booted.

bloodied

6079_Smith_W wrote:

Real worst movie? I don't think there is one single answer, but I know Forrest Gump would be on my list. Never mind that anyone outside of America would have trouble understanding it at all, that movie is bad and soul-destroying on so many levels.

The scene where whatshername gets AIDS and dies in about 30 seconds was the last straw for me.

 

One of the worst of the very popular movies. I noted how the anti-war activists were shown to be stupid, cruel to the veterans, mindless, and women-beaters...all in about ten seconds.

Paladin1

Spoiler alert!

 

 

 

 

I found the scene of the scientist shooting himself by accident to be a slame against Glock pistols and their lack of manual safety.

jas

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