English Hippies Want Local Wi-Fi Network Turned Off

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English Hippies Want Local Wi-Fi Network Turned Off

Turn off that Wi-Fi network — it's disturbing our chakras.

That's
what many residents of Glastonbury, a lovely medieval town turned New
Age hub in southwestern England, are demanding the local government do.

Ever since the town's free municipal wireless broadband network went online in May, people have been complaining of, as an online petition
puts it, "headaches, dizziness, nausea, severe tiredness, brain fog,
disorientation and loss of appetite, loss of balance, inability to
concentrate, loss of creativity" — all ailments an examining physician
would find it difficult to prove or disprove.

"This
place is not appropriate for a Wi-Fi trial," resident Linda Taylor
tells the local Fosse Way magazine. "People are complaining of
headaches, tingling skin among other symptoms. This makes me wonder
what is it doing to the children."

Thought by
many to be the burial place of the mythic King Arthur, Glastonbury's
year-round population of 9,000 swells to about 150,000 every June when
the mammoth Glastonbury Festival three-day rock concert occupies a
nearby field.

"I don't want my son exposed to risk 24 hours
a day, including at his primary school, which is within the Wi-Fi
zone," yoga teacher Natalie Fee tells London's Telegraph. "I would be
failing in my duty as a parent if I did."

One man has even begun making orgone generators, which use crystals,
semi-precious stones and gold to purportedly put out positive energy to
combat the negative vibes flooding the town from the Wi-Fi base
stations.

 

Read it at http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,475206,00.html

Sven Sven's picture

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"I don't want my son exposed to risk 24 hours a day, including at his primary school, which is within the Wi-Fi zone," yoga teacher Natalie Fee tells London's Telegraph. "I would be failing in my duty as a parent if I did." 

What a moron. 

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Michelle

Okay, the town has free wifi everywhere, right?  But I assume that private service providers were there before, weren't they?  For instance, in Toronto, they've been talking about having municipally-provided free wifi all across the city.  But whether they do it or not, there is currently all sorts of wifi in Toronto - it's just privately provided by internet service providers that each household pays for.  Just open up your laptop, oh, ANYWHERE, and you'll find at least one signal, if not several.  

So wouldn't they have already had their "chakras" disturbed by wifi if there was anything to this?

But hey, it looks like there's a solution - from the article above:

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One man has even begun making orgone generators, which use crystals,
semi-precious stones and gold to purportedly put out positive energy to
combat the negative vibes flooding the town from the Wi-Fi base
stations.

See?  There you go.  Maybe the town could invest in providing all the flakes in the place one of these good vibe generators to ward off the evil spirits.

Fidel

Well we should know by now that radio waves are safe as baby's pablum, right? Afterall, RF networks have been in place for a number of years now, and no one has died to death instantly. I mean, everyone feels okay, and feeling good should be good enough. That's scientific enough for me. Bring it on! Let's throw all caution to the wind, because my body and overall health can take it. What's good for Motorola and Ericsson is good enough for me. We're guinea pigs, you know.

jacki-mo

The symptoms listed remind me of mine when I smoked some tainted weed. Maybe thats their problem.

Timebandit Timebandit's picture

I wonder if there's some sort of difference between wireless internet and cel phone signals...  I'm assuming cel phones have been in use in Glastonbury for some years now, like nearly everywhere else.  What about radio and tv signals?  Are those affecting people, too?

lagatta

Most of the hippies I know are thrilled to have Internet access and now Wi-Fi so they can work at home, in cafés or travelling - hey, you don't get more boho than that! - instead of having to wear ties or pantyhose in corporate environments.

Tommy_Paine

"...and feeling good should be good enough" for me an Bobby McGee, it is.

 

 "What about radio and tv signals?  Are those affecting people, too?"

Deffinately.  Studies have shown that people subjected to CBC radio 1's music selection have a higher rate of suicide than the general population, and former viewers of Mike Duffy on CTV feel thinner than the general population.

 

Fidel

hahahaha

Maysie Maysie's picture

I talked to my sweetie (who's a techie media guy) about this and his position is two-fold.

1. The hippies are out to lunch.

But, 

2. If we can imagine that a non-wifi environment emits about 5 billion thingies per second going through our bodies (radio waves, cel phone waves, tv waves, etc. More if you're in a big city, less if you aren't), then we can look at things like increased cancer rates that can be linked to this kind of low-level radiation, other health/illness trends etc, for the last 50-100 or so years, ever since we began to purchase and own all manner of these emitters right in our own homes, in the West.

So then a wifi environment will increase that to, let's say 5.5 or 6 billion thingies per second. 

We could have a debate about the effect of the 5 billion thingies, as well as the relative increase to 5.5 to 6 billion. But it is an increase nonetheless. If one isn't already concerned about the 5 million, it seems kooky to get all up in arms about the increase.

If I haven't explained this properly let me know. 

Tommy_Paine

I think that captured it. 

The problem trying to statistically study things like this is that there are too many factors that can't be isolated.  And if you could, you have to account for separate factors being innocuous in and of themselves, but having an effect when combined.

So, in the end, I say relax and have a smoke.

 

 

Maysie Maysie's picture

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 So, in the end, I say relax and have a smoke.

That's your answer to everything, isn't it Tommy? Cool  

leftyboy

Michelle wrote:

 For instance, in Toronto, they've been talking about having municipally-provided free wifi all across the city.  

 

David Miller sold off the asset that was Toronto Hydro Telecom and they were building the wifi network. 

Tommy_Paine

"That's your answer to everything, isn't it Tommy?"

Well, you know as well as I that there are some complaining about the wi fi that are smoking, drinking enough to scar their livers, and sending their cholesterol over the top with a butter soaked crumpet and other life endangering habits the English engage in, like steak and kidney pie.

Seriously, we have become very poor risk assessors in this society. And if you don't believe me, read the crop circles. They never lie.

 Laughing

 

 

 

martin dufresne

I could say something but the voices warn me against it.

Le T Le T's picture

I was going to make much the same point that Maysie and Fidel made - our lives are filled with RF and Microwaves and all sorts of weird shit. The increase seems negligible. I thought that one way of proving this to the hippies is turning off the WI-FI without telling them (surely they aren't using it to connect to the Net 'cause that would be hypocritical and we all know that hippies are never hypocrites) and then revealing two weeks after the fact that there has been no WI-FI in town so maybe their problems are caused by something else.

I would assume that there are no cars in Glastonbury because there is empirical data that car fumes do hurt kids and give people cancer (see note on hippie-hypocracy)

Fidel

Cancer specialists in both the US and Canada have said feds have witheld data and reports on industrial pollution of all kinds. They can tell people to stop smoking and eat less dairy, but not everyone who gets cancer is a smoker or eats red meat all the time or abuses alcohol.

radiorahim radiorahim's picture

My guess would be that the folks who are complaining about the local wifi network are probably calling their town councillors on their mobile or cordless telephones.

Each one of these handsets is a microwave or near-microwave radio transmitter that one holds an inch or two from your brain.   There have been some studies on this ... nothing conclusive yet...that telephone handsets generate "hotspots" in your brain...and I think that's probably not all that great a thing.

My understanding is that things start to get problematic with any handheld radio that operates on a frequency above about 400 MHz. ...in otherwords just about anything these days.

But, the "NIMBY" types will usually complain about cellphone towers in their neighbourhood...and talk about alleged health effects...when it's really that they just don't like the look of the thing...and are worried about "property values".

The taller the cell tower the better...both healthwise...because it gets the RF further away from you...and in terms of boosting the range of the signal and creating better cellphone reception.

In Toronto, the wifi transmitters in the downtown area are located on top of the street lighting...it's extremely low power and I can't see any problem with it...unless you decide to build your house on top of a light pole. :)

 

 

Fidel

I used to work with an engineer from England who learned RF in the navy. He's not crazy about all these radio waves passing through his neighborhood either. Cant say as I blame him. They didnt petition me to know if I wanted to become a guinea pig for the telecoms and financial interests.

Maysie Maysie's picture

radiorahim wrote:
 In Toronto, the wifi transmitters in the downtown area are located on top of the street lighting...it's extremely low power and I can't see any problem with it...unless you decide to build your house on top of a light pole. :)

So what you're saying is Toronto's wifi system is anti-squirrel? 

Fidel

Marketplace and Wendy Mesley are doing a show on cell phones and children Friday at 8 pm

Dr. Devra Davis on cellphones and cancer (youtube)

radiorahim radiorahim's picture

Having spent piles of money over the years trying to evict Sciurus carolinensis from my roof, I'd say that Toronto's wifi system being "anti-squirrel" is probably a good thing ;)

As for Dr. Devra Davis' item on Marketplace, I'd say she's concentrating on the real problem...which is the handsets.    Don't think of it as just  being "cellphones"...the problem also exists with all handheld cordless phones...such as the type you carry around your house.   It's also a problem with most "walkie-talkie" type radios too.

Now here's the rub with folks who don't like cell towers in their neighbourhoods.   The higher up you can get your cell tower, the lower the power output you need on your handset to get into the cellsite.

 If you can lower the power output of the transmitter on the handset, you can somewhat lesson the degree to which your brain gets zapped by RF.

So if you have some NIMBY types in your neighbourhood complaining about cell towers, tell them that you want the thing to be really really tall.

 

 

Fidel

I agree with reducing power, Radiorahim. Apparently some wifi providers tend to turn up the volume when jostling with competing networks. And I think NAMBI types are fairly influential in these matters.

From 20 Laws of the Telecosm

Shannon's Law(any relation to Del?)

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Digital communications efficiency declines as power increases, or, conversely, efficiency increases as power weakens. Increased electrical power means more dispersion and nonlinearity in fiber and more interference in the air. Reducing power expended per bit enables exponentially increasing bitrates. The rise of digital implies a constant preoccupation with reducing the power usage of every component of the information infrastructure. The future of networking lies in small, long-lasting batteries, powering lots of devices, joined together in a massive web.

Maybe if really energy efficient home appliances were legislated, enough ambient noise could be eliminated as to make internet over powerline technology more feasible and affordable for more people.

martin dufresne

What is that incredibly 'dirty' coil that ruins RF reception for km around? I remember reading about this in the Scientific American DIY pages 45 years ago. And i know that civil security civil servants are always roaming around our cities with their rotating-antenna equipped trucks to catch any whiff of such interference (easily achieved with a moving slinky antenna)

Fidel

I'm not sure but I think they could be looking for transmission/carrier  signals being broadcast at higher power than they have a license for.