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Why Trump Will Do Better in Ohio Than He Does NationallyAnd why that doesn’t guarantee he’ll win the state

http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/why-trump-will-do-...

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bekayne

GOP declares Mike Pence the winner of the VP debate. Before it begins.

https://gop.com/who-won-the-vice-presidential-debate/

Americans from all across the country tuned in to watch the one and only Vice Presidential debate. During the debate we helped fact check and monitor the conversation in real time @GOP. The consensus was clear after the dust settled, Mike Pence was the clear winner of the debate.

Mike Pence’s top moments from the debate:

  1. Economy

  2. Highlighting Hillary’s scandals

Mike Pence made the most of his opportunity to debate Hillary’s VP pick Tim Kaine. The other clear winner from tonight’s debate was Donald Trump. His running mate perfectly shared Trump’s vision to make America great again and that message is resonating with Americans all across the country.

 

 

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The paint continues to dry; VP debate comment thread

http://election.princeton.edu/2016/10/04/the-paint-continues-to-dry-vp-l...

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bekayne

Racist attempt at "humour" from pro-Trump Pravda:

http://www.pravdareport.com/news/opinion/06-10-2016/135803-in_america-0/

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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The aforementioned scenario could be a sad portent of things to come if Hillary Clinton is elected U.S. Chef-Commander. Albeit, I am doubly sure that same fiasco would not happen on President Donald Trump's watch. In 2017 a call comes into the White House's West Wing...

In 2017 a call comes into the White House's West Wing...

Female: "Papa Juan's. Carlita speaking. How may bee I helping you?"

Caller: "This is an emergency. I need to speak to the President."

Female: "Si! You meen see-nore Beeel. Heez on deelivery. One special lucky muchacha frend!"

 

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bekayne

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/white-nationalist-pac-willliam-joh...

The white nationalist who bankrolled robocalls for Donald Trump in early voting states during the Republican primaries will release a radio ad this weekend in support of the GOP nominee, the Los Angeles Times reported Thursday.

William Johnson, founder of the American National super PAC and chairman of the white nationalist American Freedom Party, plans to run the ads in select swing states to gin up support for the real estate mogul ahead of Election Day. The ads were not authorized by the Trump campaign.

 

NDPP

Excerpts of Hillary Clinton's Paid Speeches To Goldman Sachs Finally Leaked

http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/39574-excerpts-of-hi...

"Clinton says you need to have a private and public position on policy..."

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bekayne

In a turn of poetic politics, Mike Pence told his running mate, Donald Trump, he wason his own for the next 48 hours, to clean up his own PR nightmare. Instead, Pence hopped on a plane and headed to Beechwood, Rhode Island for a fundraiser in the mansion of John Jacob Astor, who died on the Titanic in 1912.

The Trump Pence Titanic (Photoshopped by Sarah Burris, art via Wikipedia)

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Bill Clinton Heckled As A 'Rapist' During Hillary Campaign Event

https://www.rt.com/usa/362119-bill-clinton-rape-heckled/

"Bill Clinton was heckled by an audience member calling him a 'rapist' during a campaign rally for Hillary in Milwaukee. The protest is the latest in a growing string of similar outbursts against the former US President."

 

Exclusive - Video Interview: Bill Clinton Accuser Juanita Broaddrick Relives Brutal Rapes

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/09/breitbart-new...

"Trembling, Broadrrick explained that she is still afraid of Bill Clinton and asserted that she is frightened by the prospect of Hillary Clinton winning the election."

bekayne

Breitbart? What's next? Gateway Pundit?

bekayne

http://qz.com/804486/the-women-whove-accused-donald-trump-of-sexual-assa...

It’s difficult to ignore boasting about sexual assault from a presidential nominee. But we’ve heard about such behavior from Trump before—from the women he lunges at.

6079_Smith_W

Trump just had his allowance cut off. The RNC is abandoning him to concentrate on legistative campaigns.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/300048-report-rnc-redir...

In case anyone was wondering why he mentioned in the debate how much of his own money he was spending (investing, he said).

 

bekayne

SeekingAPolitic...

The journal has hillary up 11 points.  46-35.

I am looking for the tranpscripts of the debate.  I want to find out exactly was said about the no fly zones and i think "safe zones"(I have no idea what they mean) in Syria.  I have this feeling that Putin will order his airforce to challenge the any no fly zone that interefers with russian goals. This could lead to a very ugly situation. 

NorthReport

Great cartoon becayne

Sam Wang at PEC is rapidly becoming my US political analyst of choice not only because of his forecasting model, but also because he zeroes in on the pertinent issues involved such as his constant focus on the down-ticket races

http://election.princeton.edu/2016/10/10/some-secrets-are-not-all-that-d...

6079_Smith_W

Well, I guess the tax thing, whether Donald was just going 60 in a 60 zone, whether expecting to do what every other presidential candidate does is  just the same as the racist birther campaign, or whether any of us would do the same is kind of moot:

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/10/13228628/warren-buffet...

No. Not everyone does what he did.

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The day after, Buffett came out with a statement saying, in effect, bullshit. He has never used a carry-forward, the technique Trump used to avoid taxes, and he has paid taxes every year since 1944, when he was 13 and paid $7 to fund World War II.

 

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

So Buffett obeyed the tax laws.

Did the Donald?  Or no.  If he broke the law, that's certainly newsworthy, and I'd love to hear more.

6079_Smith_W

Magoo, slavery was legal. Racism is legal. Misleading and conning people is often legal.

This is not about what is legal. But to address a couple of your points, no not everyone does what he did. And no, it is not the same as the birther lie.

 

NorthReport

Smith has valid points Magoo!

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Magoo, slavery was legal. Racism is legal. Misleading and conning people is often legal.

If you think Trump -- or anyone else -- should be legally penalized for doing a legal thing, just say.

Don't "harrumph", and don't nudge me with your elbow and don't throw a side-eye at the Donald.  Just say "he broke no laws, so we should arrest him".

Or, if you don't want that kind of committment, say "he broke no laws,so we should scorn him".

Or, if neither of those makes sense to you, tell us what we should do with non-lawbreakers like him.

6079_Smith_W

Not elect him president.

 

NorthReport

MGM is that the conglomerate that has about a dozen casinos in Vegas? 

Mark Burnett says he cannot release 'Apprentice' tapes

http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/10/media/mark-burnett-the-apprentice-donald...

bekayne

http://www.mediaite.com/online/alex-jones-says-high-up-folks-can-confirm...

Radio host and conspiracy theorist Alex Jones believes that Hillary Clinton andPresident Obama are agents of demonic forces.

This isn’t some strange theory he cooked up himself. He says that “high up folks” have confirmed for him that the president and Clinton “both smell like sulfur.” He added, “They smell like Hell.”

 

JKR

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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Magoo, slavery was legal. Racism is legal. Misleading and conning people is often legal.

If you think Trump -- or anyone else -- should be legally penalized for doing a legal thing, just say.

Don't "harrumph", and don't nudge me with your elbow and don't throw a side-eye at the Donald.  Just say "he broke no laws, so we should arrest him".

Or, if you don't want that kind of committment, say "he broke no laws,so we should scorn him".

Or, if neither of those makes sense to you, tell us what we should do with non-lawbreakers like him.

Or presidential candidates should be required to disclose their recent tax returns.

NorthReport

The GOP Meltdown

The party’s leaders are at odds with its voters.

“It’s probably beyond dispute that Trump’s [debate] performance will shut down Republican defections from his struggling campaign, at least for now,” writes the Washington Examiner’s Byron York. One of the harshest Nevertrump commentators, the Weekly Standard’s Jonathan Last, agrees, and thinks that is terrible for the GOP:

Trump didn’t have a psychotic break onstage. And clearing that bar might be enough to keep Mike Pence, Paul Ryan, and Reince Priebus from publicly disavowing his candidacy this week. . . .

The big loser was the Republican party. Because the worst-case scenario for November 9 is not that Hillary Clinton wins—again, that cake is baked. It’s that if the party does not cut Trump loose, then Democrats also take over the Senate. And carry the House.

And then as it attempts to rebuild from the wreckage, the GOP remains buried under its shameful Trumpian legacy.

As to whether “that cake is baked,” we’re with the New York Sun: “It looks like this election is going to have to be settled by the voters.” But let us concede that a loss for Trump still seems likelier than not, and catastrophic down-ballot losses for Republicans are possible.

 


http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-gop-meltdown-1476120867

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Answered Prayers & the GOP Meltdown

I commend to you this editorial from the Deseret News. To their great credit, Mormons have been right about Trump since the beginning. Excerpt:

In democratic elections, ideas have consequences, leadership matters and character counts.

The idea that women secretly welcome the unbridled and aggressive sexual advances of powerful men has led to the mistreatment, sorrow and subjugation of countless women for far too much of human history.

The notion that strength emanates from harsh, divisive and unbending rhetorical flourish mistakenly equates leadership with craven intimidation.

The belief that the party and the platform matter more than the character of the candidate ignores the wisdom of the ages that, “when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.” (Proverbs 29:2)

We understand that politicians and presidential candidates are human and that everyone makes mistakes. We do not believe that what is expressed in an unguarded moment of conversation should be the full measure of an individual. And we unquestionably support the principle that people deserve forgiveness, compassion and a second chance.

But history affirms that leaders’ examples either elevate or demean the lives of those being led. When choosing the ostensible leader of the free world, the American electorate requires the clear assurance that their chosen candidate will consistently put the well-being of others ahead of his or her own personal gratification. The most recent revelations of Trump’s lewdness disturb us not only because of his vulgar objectification of women, but also because they poignantly confirm Trump’s inability to self-govern.

What oozes from this audio is evil.

Well, it is. (Read Alan Jacobs’s comments on it).

The shame of it all is that many of the things Trump stands for, or pretended to stand for, were important and necessary. David Frum has been anti-Trump for a long time, but he gives Trump his due in this excellent essay, “How To Rebuild The Republican Party”.


https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/gop-meltdown-answered-pra...

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This article is dated in 2015

What The Big GOP Meltdown Reveals From A Guy Who Saw It All Coming

But this moment was a long time coming. Ornstein traces the current revolt to the playbook forged by former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (who ironically now is being called upon to reclaim his old role), with which he built a Republican House majority for the first time in 40 years. Gingrich pioneered an approach that viewed Washington as a cesspool and government institutions as the enemy.

The problem with that playbook, however, is that once you build a majority on the distaste for government, it's hard to get that majority to govern.

Conservative distrust of the establishment continued after Gingrich himself was deposed, according to Ornstein, and grew worse while President George W. Bush pushed through an entitlement package and two wars without paying for them, giving rise to the Tea Party movement.

The Obama era ushered in a new class of Republican hardliners known as the Young Guns -- namely McCarthy, Cantor and Rep. Paul Ryan -- who sold brinkmanship tactics as a way to win elections. They promised their recruits an immediate $100 billion cut to spending and to use the debt ceiling as leverage to gain concessions from Democrats. However the former proved logistically unworkable and the latter prompted a downgrade of the U.S.'s credit, giving conservatives the notion that their leaders had sold them a bill of goods they couldn't deliver.

Two of the three of those young guns have now become victims of the very uncompromising political culture they championed and the third does not seem eager to stick his own neck out on the chopping block, as Republicans now call on Ryan to step up to become speaker.

"These guys thought they could channel this populist anger into election victories and then co-opt the people they recruited and are finding that they're the ones that have been co-opted," Ornstein said.

His and Mann's book was warmly received in some quarters, while many conservatives -- and even some residing in Washington's "centrist" corridors -- rejected their premise. The Weekly Standard called the book "relentlessly one-sided." Washington Post columnist Jennifer Rubin wondered if Mann and Ornstein's analysis was "parody." The National Review said, "Their argument bears all of the characteristics, and the subtlety, of a rant."

Since the 2011 debt ceiling scare that served as a jumping off point in the book, Boehner has proved unable to rein in the hardliners' antics -- culminating in him giving up his speakership to avoid a shutdown last month -- and the problem has only gotten worse.

After dropping out of the speaker's race last week, McCarthy suggested the House would have to "to hit rock bottom" before functioning again, a moment Ornstein is not sure has actually arrived.

"One of the things that we have discovered is you can hit rock bottom and then you can dig into the rock," he said. "This is so clearly a debacle for them -- and now being reported everywhere as a debacle for them -- that it might create enough of a sense of urgency that they find a way or two to at least dig out a little bit."

Ornstein doesn't see a fresh face at the top -- Ryan's or otherwise -- changing the underlying dynamics of the situation. Rather, he believes the best case scenario in the short term is for Boehner to ram through a debt ceiling raise and maybe even a broader budget package before he steps down, and for moderate Republicans to band with Democrats to outmaneuver the hardliners on other bipartisan priorities. 

"The fact is, [establishment Republicans] don't have the same intense willingness to go to the mat that the radical insurgents have," Ornstein said. "And so the question is how far will they go to preserve or protect their party and can they, at this point, prevail?


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/ornstein-gop-meltdown

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Or presidential candidates should be required to disclose their recent tax returns.

Such a law could have merit.

Have you proposed it?

6079_Smith_W

Not sure it would be constitutional. Taxes are supposed to be private. And this isn't a financial matter like those casino deals where there was a reason for it.

But most candidates have had the decency to release them despite that  to show that they have nothing to hide.

Again, the law isn't the point here. Trump can do whatever he wants, but it is on people to evaluate his actions and decide whether they want to vote for him or not. In this case, whether they want someone who thinks he is smart to pay no federal income tax, and that it would just be wasted (and he has said that) being in charge of running the executive branch.

 

 

Sean in Ottawa

6079_Smith_W wrote:

Not sure it would be constitutional. Taxes are supposed to be private. And this isn't a financial matter like those casino deals where there was a reason for it.

But most candidates have had the decency to release them despite that  to show that they have nothing to hide.

Again, the law isn't the point here. Trump can do whatever he wants, but it is on people to evaluate his actions and decide whether they want to vote for him or not. In this case, whether they want someone who thinks he is smart to pay no federal income tax, and that it would just be wasted (and he has said that) being in charge of running the executive branch.

 

 

I am not even sure this would be desireable. Once you require one person to disclose you could require others. This is either private or it isn't.

I also agree that voters should decide if they like what he is saying and doing -- they have the information. I don't think that the taxes would make much difference at this point anyway. His supporters do not care.

How he has support at this level is a major concern -- or should be -- even if it is a minority, it is a disturbingly big one given all he has said and done.

NorthReport

Election Update: Women Are Defeating Donald Trump

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-women-are-defeating-...

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I am not even sure this would be desireable. Once you require one person to disclose you could require others. This is either private or it isn't.

As I understand it, right now the disclosure of tax documents is voluntary (like letting the police search your vehicle because you've "got nothing to hide").

But if this is a thing, I would suggest that perhaps a mandatory IRS audit for all candidates wouldn't be quite so intrusive.  If the IRS finds nothing then you're good.  If they do find something then you're not so good. 

NorthReport

Here's the thing though and it isn't complicated.

If you have nothing to hide like Buffett you release your tax returns.

If you do have something to hide you do like Trump the Chump.

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Is This What It Looks Like When A Party Falls Apart?

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/is-this-what-it-looks-like-when-a-pa...

 

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The GOP tumbles toward anarchy: ‘It’s every person for himself or herself’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-gop-tumbles-toward-anarchy-i...

JKR

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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Or presidential candidates should be required to disclose their recent tax returns.

Such a law could have merit.

Have you proposed it?

I didn't think such a law was required since every major presidential candidate for almost half a century has disclosed their tax returns. If I'm not too tipsy, maybe I'll propose the idea to the Senators and Representatives who are located closest to The Strip when I'm down in Vegas later this year. Maybe I'll even leave a note in the suggestion box at the Trump Hotel?!? In the past I have considered staying at the Las Vegas Trump Hotel. Not anymore. And I would never stay at Adelsons's hotel next door either. Steve Wynn's hotel located right in between is nice though...

NDPP

CrossTalk on US Election

https://youtu.be/VeZ_nNMzWwY

'The final stretch - blame the Russians'

6079_Smith_W

Nice try, but no.

I think it is worth pointing out the wierd parallel between the Republican situation and Labour in Britain.

For good or ill, the Republican base chose Trump. The party hierarchy has always been ambivalent, and some of them were the first to turn their backs on him.

Even though the electorate seem to be wising up, there are still some in his base who are going to say that he was cheated. It certainly seems to be where he is coming from now, even going to far as to attack the party.

 

6079_Smith_W

And again, the whole tax thing isn't just about whether he is breaking the law or not. It is also to establish whether he is telling the truth about his activities and his worth.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/07/22/f-e-c-releases-do...

http://fortune.com/2016/05/23/doland-trump-net-worth/

 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

NorthReport wrote:

The GOP tumbles toward anarchy: ‘It’s every person for himself or herself’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-gop-tumbles-toward-anarchy-i...

Stupidest politcal headline of the campaign. Anarchy is mutual aid not every asshole for themselves.

Rev Pesky

kropotkin1951 wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

The GOP tumbles toward anarchy: ‘It’s every person for himself or herself’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-gop-tumbles-toward-anarchy-i...

Stupidest politcal headline of the campaign. Anarchy is mutual aid not every asshole for themselves.

You should probably get yourself a dictionary and look up the word 'anarchy'. There is more than one definition of 'anarchy'. According to my trusty Funk & Wagnall's after the first definition which is "Absence of government", the second definition is " Lawless confusion and political disorder".

Unfortunately my usually very reliable online etymology dictionary is off line (I hope that's only for a short time), but the root of the word anarchy is the Greek 'anarchos' meaning without a leader. Even if you don't accept the further meaning of lawlessness and confusion, you would still have to accept that 'without a leader' is a pretty good description of the current situtation in the GOP.

6079_Smith_W

I bet he didn't see what he was getting in for. So much for this boosting his chances in 2020:

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While campaigning in Iowa Tuesday night, Republican vice presidential nominee Mike Pence advised a supporter against staging a “revolution” in the event that Hillary Clinton is elected president.

The call to action came from a woman named Ronda, who explained that she’s been “on social media all day, every day, nonstop, since last June pushin’ Trump.” She said she became very concerned about voter fraud.

“Our lives depend on this election, our kids’ futures depend on this election,” she said. “If Hillary Clinton gets in, I myself, I’m ready for a revolution because we can’t have her in.”

“Don’t say that,” Pence interjected, attempting to temper her outrage with a slight wave of his hand.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/dont-say-that-mike-pence-rejects-supporters-s...

 

Misfit Misfit's picture

JKR, what's wrong with Adelson's Hotel? Just curious.

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