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6079_Smith_W

Fanatic defaces Delacroix painting

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/02/08/us-france-louvre-idUSBRE9170G3...

Yes, this is really going to make me see the light.

Fidel

Apparently it worked because it grabbed your attention. Admit it, youre just a sucker for the truth like the rest of us. Your spidey sense tells you that imperialists really are so evil as to commit mass murder of mainly white people on 9/11/01. Imperialists can be colour-blind, too, when it comes to propping-up the largest corporate welfare programs in history with state sponsored false flag terror. If it wasn't for false flag terror, the NATO war machine would have no reason to exist today.

[url=www.ae911truth.org/]1700+ Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth[/url]

6079_Smith_W

Taking a marker to a 180-year old masterpiece. What's not to notice?

No Fidel, it just pissed me off because these attention-starved dumbasses don't seem content to let people make up their own minds about things, and feel that things like shock, vandalism and violence will somehow validate their position where reason fails.

 

Fidel

I don't know them. I don't believe they are associated with AE's for truth.

I think what you are trying to tell us is that these vandals only hurt the cause for 9/11 truth. And I have to admit that truth exposed to the light of day probably does evoke strong emotions in people and especially when they understand the implications.

This really is not the former USSR with government-owned news sources reporting the "truth." And OTOH,  corporate sponsored newz media might well be 90%+ owned by rich people and their common political agendas, but we do have independent reporters and truth groups out there albeit representing a much smaller percentage of total news journalism. When I do read about past and current events, I tend to want to be selective and constantly contrasting between how the majority of newz media describe the situation and what the independents have to say.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

She was obviously working for the CiA to discredit the AE911. It has all the earmarks. I'm glad the op protocol only called for pretending to damage the painting.

Cool

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Police arrested a 28-year-old woman on Thursday for writing "AE911" across the bottom of a painting so closely identified with the French Republic that its image once graced the 100-franc note and it has been reproduced on postage stamps.

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"AE911Truth" is the name of a website called "Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth" whose backers say they are seeking to establish the truth of the September 11, 2001 suicide airliner attacks on New York's Twin Towers.

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The work, depicting a bare-breasted woman brandishing a tricolor flag and leading her people over the bodies of the fallen, was later adopted as a revolutionary emblem in the 1848 uprising which overthrew the Orleans monarchy.

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The Louvre confirmed on Friday it had managed to save the painting as the black marker had not penetrated the upper layer of varnish and has been successfully removed.

jas

kropotkin1951 wrote:
She was obviously working for the CiA to discredit the AE911. It has all the earmarks. I'm glad the op protocol only called for pretending to damage the painting.

I don't know about the CIA, but I do have to wonder.

There's certainly been an ongoing campaign to discredit outspoken 9/11 truthers. Most recently a Danish newspaper claimed that serial killer Peter Mangs was "influenced" by 9/11 researcher Niels Harrit (who is currently suing another Danish paper for libel).

There has also been a pattern of odd or unexpected deaths: WTC 7 survivor Barry Jennings - undisclosed hospital death; Danny Jowenko (not a "truther" but whose expert opinion about the collapse of WTC 7 supports 9/11 truth claims) - car crash on a remote highway; 9/11 widow Beverley Eckert who opted to sue rather than take the victim's compensation money - plane crash; 9/11 victim's lawyer Michael Doran - plane crash; a WTC janitor who witnessed an explosion in the basement - suicide; a Pentagon crash witness who had his own photos and shared them with a documentary maker - suicide; D.C. "madam" Deborah Palfrey who said she had information of interest to the 9/11 Commission, and had joked to Alex Jones that no, she wasn't planning on committing suicide - suicide; FBI informant regarding 9/11 hijackers, David Graham - uninvestigated death by poisoning; and just the other day former intelligence pilot and 9/11 expose author Phillip Marshall in an alleged murder-suicide that his neighbours find baffling... and that's not all of them.

Also former FEMA videographer turned 9/11 truther Kurt Sonnenfeld, who was imprisoned and then acquitted for the murder of his wife and is now living in Argentina and claims he is still being harassed by U.S. federal agents, and has written a book about it.

Fidel

Yes imperialists and their lapdog newz media have worked overtime to smear the legitimate resistance movement for exposing the official lies. And the official lies are well documented by the legtimate dissident truth movement. The USSA will be the last of a number of world empires to crumble since turn of the last century.

The glasnost is half full.

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Ha, I'll take your themite charges and raise you mini nukes...Tongue out

Update: Proves Micro Nukes in the WTC

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"TRITIUM = NUKES AT THE 911 WTC PROOF!!". Dr. Jones bypasses/ignores these proven tritium levels by calling the diluted amounts "safe/background" (which they are NOT), but the question is not are the levels "safe." The question is: WHERE DID THE FAR ABOVE BACKGROUND LEVELS ORIGINATE - if not from a Micro Nuke?

Now we have CIA Ninja deployed mini nukes...

Mini nuke, it just sounds so cute.

Fidel

Anyone from Texas gets an automatic reprieve for being sucked in by the dubya speak on 9/11. The rest of us have no excuse what so ever.

jjuares

The planes didn't crash into the towers?????

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

jjuares wrote:

The planes didn't crash into the towers?????

Airplanes crashed into the buildings alright... and they crashed into the exact spot the micro charges were set (by ninjas dressed in coveralls apparently).

For the grand fanally they popped mini nukes.

I’m not buying the explosive charges theory; it would have required way to many people to set that up and someone would have talked by now.

Also when I ask your group about how many and what size charges they think would have had to have put in the buildings you say that is irrelevant. It’s apparent you have no idea how it could have really been done.

jjuares

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

jjuares wrote:

The planes didn't crash into the towers?????

Airplanes crashed into the buildings alright... and they crashed into the exact spot the micro charges were set (by ninjas dressed in coveralls apparently).

For the grand fanally they popped mini nukes.

I’m not buying the explosive charges theory; it would have required way to many people to set that up and someone would have talked by now.

Also when I ask your group about how many and what size charges they think would have had to have put in the buildings you say that is irrelevant. It’s apparent you have no idea how it could have really been done.

My group?? I have no group. All this 911 truther talk is just silly. The towers went down because two planes hit them.

Fidel

WTC Building #7 was not hit by an airplane, and there is still no precedent for a steel frame building collapsing by fire damage. That is, not unless you believe in U.S. Military government fairy tales. 

Were the Twin Towers Designed to Survive the Impact of the Airplanes? PDF

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Lead WTC Structural Engineer John Skilling was rightfully confident that neither the impact of a large passenger jet nor the ensuing office fires was capable “We looked at every possible thing we could think of that could happen to the buildings, even to the extent of an airplane hitting the side… Our analysis indicated the biggest problem would be the fact that all the fuel (from the airplane) would dump into the building. There would be a horrendous fire. A lot of people would be killed. [But] the building structure would still be there.”

None of your bipartisan war parties, 9/11 Commish cover-up, nor your lapdog newz media have much to say about the facts.


NDPP

False Flags and the Manufacture of Consent (and vid)  -  by  Neal Sanders

http://youtu.be/G7WcG8Bgg4o

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

jjuares wrote:

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

jjuares wrote:

The planes didn't crash into the towers?????

Airplanes crashed into the buildings alright... and they crashed into the exact spot the micro charges were set (by ninjas dressed in coveralls apparently).

For the grand fanally they popped mini nukes.

I’m not buying the explosive charges theory; it would have required way to many people to set that up and someone would have talked by now.

Also when I ask your group about how many and what size charges they think would have had to have put in the buildings you say that is irrelevant. It’s apparent you have no idea how it could have really been done.

My group?? I have no group. All this 911 truther talk is just silly. The towers went down because two planes hit them.

Wasn't refering to you... the ones I were posted below you. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

I'm with you. In the end it was burning office furniture, carpet and ceiling towel, and lots of it, which felled the WTC. Incredable…

 

Jacob Two-Two

It's totally incredible. That's why so many people still have trouble believing it. Yes, the notion of a bunch of charges being set in the buildings and no one noticing is unlikely, but the idea that two planes brought down these buildings at the speed of freefall (and another building that wasn't even struck) in defiance of how they were designed and all previous evidence with high-rise fires, is just as unlikely. Both of these are absurd fantastical scenarios that defy how we understand the world to work. Yet the buildings fell. Something happened. So we are forced into the uncomfortable position of trying to puzzle out which of these rather ludicrous theories holds some truth.

Remember that a number of respected demolitions experts have gone on record as saying that ONLY a controlled demolition can make a building fall that way. In other words, they felt that it couldn't have been anything else. Obviously they're capable of being wrong, but they do do this for a living. Their opinion is worth more than mine or yours, surely. Probably worth more than the writers at Popular Mechanics as well.

You act like only the alternate hypothetical scenarios put forth by dissenters are full of holes, or are outlandishly improbable, while conveniently ignoring that the official story is just as ridiculous. Whatever really happened it was something outlandish, something improbable. While I don't know what it was, I feel sure that we don't know the real facts yet and I'm glad that there are still people out there probing into this.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

The exact facts of the explosions are the red herring.  People end up chasing that instead of challenging the outcome. We need to focus on the unprecedented speed of the descent into a totalitarian state that has occurred inside the US since 9/11 and the use of NATO's imperial troops in wars of aggression.  Personally I don't care how the buildings fell I care about stopping the military/security/financial complex that is killing in all corners of the world.  I refuse to spend my time looking backwards trying to figure out which of the scenarios are the right one.  People did that for 50 years with the Reichstag fire and what good did it do anyone.

The question is who is controlling the world and how can we the people wrest that control from them.  It matters little to me if the Twin Towers was a planned operation or whether our security fascists have just used it as a convenient excuse to unmask the totalitarian state. 

 

6079_Smith_W

Jacob Two-Two wrote:

You act like only the alternate hypothetical scenarios put forth by dissenters are full of holes, or are outlandishly improbable, while conveniently ignoring that the official story is just as ridiculous. Whatever really happened it was something outlandish, something improbable. While I don't know what it was, I feel sure that we don't know the real facts yet and I'm glad that there are still people out there probing into this.

Actually, my problem isn't with probing the theory at all. It is with those who, having stated their case, refuse to get out of your face unless you join the fanatical gang, and who don't mind derailing conversations and defacing paintings just to remain the centre of attention.

The only person I have ever had to unfriend on facebook was one who, after I told him I accepted there might be some truth in his hypothesis, now would he please stop interrrupting unrelated conversations or be unfriended.

He still wouldn't shut the fuck up. What choice did I have.

What is it about this particular issue that attracts that kind of fanaticism? That's the question I'd like answered. Was it like this after Kennedy was topped? I don't think so.

K is right. the root of the problem is still there. In that respect proving this conspiracy theory is an academic exercise. Bush is out of office. Is that problem going to change even if he, Rove, Cheney, Wolfowitz and the rest of the gang wind up with their heads in nooses?

 

 

 

jas

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Personally I don't care how the buildings fell I care about stopping the military/security/financial complex that is killing in all corners of the world.  I refuse to spend my time looking backwards trying to figure out which of the scenarios are the right one.  People did that for 50 years with the Reichstag fire and what good did it do anyone.

The question is who is controlling the world and how can we the people wrest that control from them.  It matters little to me if the Twin Towers was a planned operation or whether our security fascists have just used it as a convenient excuse to unmask the totalitarian state. 

In addition to examining the consequences of these events, it feels important to me that people recognize and acknowledge false-flag terrorism so that, as a society, we are able to identify it when it occurs. Doing this makes it much harder to perpetrate and much harder to justify military aggression based on false premises.

It's important to me also that people recognize pseudoscience when it's staring them in the face, and that they be allowed to feel comfortable speaking out about it and seeking public debate on it without being ridiculed or bullied into a kind of majority silence. 

6079_Smith_W

 

Actually, I glanced over k's mention of the Reichstag fire there.

I have an account at home (I'll edit in the author later) from a fellow who was there that evening, and pointed out that it was an open secret that Hitler's government had done it. Everyone knew they set the fire. It was only those who wanted to believe their version of things who blamed the communists.

 

 

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

jas wrote:

In addition to examining the consequences of these events, it feels important to me that people recognize and acknowledge false-flag terrorism so that, as a society, we are able to identify it when it occurs. Doing this makes it much harder to perpetrate and much harder to justify military aggression based on false premises.

I agree to a certain point but with any covert operation it is very hard to determine the true facts after the event has happened.  Its like normal crimes in that if you want the best idea of what is actually occurring then follow the money.  If one wants to know what is happening in Mali it doesn't  require definitely proving the West has armed the terrorists it is enough for me to follow the money back to French and Canadian mining companies.  I think that the nuts and bolts of covert operations on the other side of the globe are beyond my forensic ability so it all a guess anyways.  However that it is the game of imperialism being played out is IMO beyond dispute.

jas

One-hour version (possibly a better version) of Experts Speak Out available here. 

 

Fidel

jas wrote:

kropotkin1951 wrote:

Personally I don't care how the buildings fell I care about stopping the military/security/financial complex that is killing in all corners of the world.  I refuse to spend my time looking backwards trying to figure out which of the scenarios are the right one.  People did that for 50 years with the Reichstag fire and what good did it do anyone.

The question is who is controlling the world and how can we the people wrest that control from them.  It matters little to me if the Twin Towers was a planned operation or whether our security fascists have just used it as a convenient excuse to unmask the totalitarian state. 

In addition to examining the consequences of these events, it feels important to me that people recognize and acknowledge false-flag terrorism so that, as a society, we are able to identify it when it occurs. Doing this makes it much harder to perpetrate and much harder to justify military aggression based on false premises.

It's important to me also that people recognize pseudoscience when it's staring them in the face, and that they be allowed to feel comfortable speaking out about it and seeking public debate on it without being ridiculed or bullied into a kind of majority silence. 

Yes, and, yes! I think that with 9/11 there is something in this caper for everyone regardless of political stripe or whether one is drawn to technical analyses of the building demolitions. There is even something for legal beagles and whodunnits with respect to who and what circumstances created "Al Qa'eda", another unseen enemy reminiscent of the Vietnam war except for the fact that there really is no such thing as an invisible army of darkness whose former leader's death was confirmed by nobody. The legend of Elvis bin Laden and his army of vengeful terrorists was a total mind-fuck on the American public. The USSA really doesn't care what Canadian or other citizens think about it as long as Obama continues incarcerating more whistleblowers than all U.S. administrations before this one combined.

jas
Fidel

LOL! Yes it's all just wild coincidence! Laughing

NDPP

Forgetting Torture: Lee Hamilton, John Brennan and Abu Zubaydah  -  by Kevin Ryan

http://www.voltairenet.org/article177634.html

"The ground is giving way under the feet of the Presidential Commission of Inquiry into the attacks of September 11. The main sources of the Commission's report, Abu Zoubeida, whose confessions were extracted under torture is now officially considered worthless. And the CIA agent who arrested and interrogated Zoubeida, has admitted he invented everything..."

Fidel

If they are very good nike shoes, hats and handbags,  then you should ...

jas

"Much of the 9/11 story has not been told to the public,” Steven Badger, lawyer representing insurance companies

 

Fidel

NDPP wrote:

Forgetting Torture: Lee Hamilton, John Brennan and Abu Zubaydah  -  by Kevin Ryan

http://www.voltairenet.org/article177634.html

"The ground is giving way under the feet of the Presidential Commission of Inquiry into the attacks of September 11. The main sources of the Commission's report, Abu Zoubeida, whose confessions were extracted under torture is now officially considered worthless. And the CIA agent who arrested and interrogated Zoubeida, has admitted he invented everything..."

 

Yes, it was an invisible army of darkness which attacked the homeland on 9/11/01. Or were they lying to the public all along?

Kevin Ryan wrote:
Problem: it is now recognized that Abu Zoubeida was never a member of al-Qaeda and that his confessions under torture were made to end his suffering. Most of what the U.S. intelligence claims to know about Al-Qaida is a pure figment of Zoubeida’s fertile imagination. And all of it is wrong.

9/11 was an inside job.

mmphosis
NDPP

911 Conspiracy Theorist Removed From UN Panel After B'nai B'rith Request

http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/05/08/911-conspiracy-theorist-removed-fro...

"...IN addition to her views on 9/11, [Annie] Machon is known for claiming the Israeli Mossad was behind the 1994 bombing of Israel's embassy in London. 'Her outrageous and offensive views do not deserve a prominent platform - let alone in the city most scarred by the horrific events of 9/11,' B'nai B'rith said in a statement after the announcement of Machon's removal from the program..."

Fidel

VisionTV to World Premiere Jew Bashing – The New Anti-Semitism

Apparently the Orwellian logic goes like this:

IFF you refuse to swallow wacky King George W. II's version of 9/11 events,

                                                                                then you are a conspiracy theorist!!

And it gets worse...

Therefore ALL those refusing to confess to wacky King George W. II's preposterous lies as being perfect truth regarding 9/11 are both conspiracy theorists AND anti-Semites.

Nobody expects the Anglo-American Inquisition!

NDPP

Al Qaeda: Enemy or Asset?

http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/05/20/al-qaeda-enemy-or-asset/

Why was a Sunday Times expose on an al-Qaeda leader's ties to the US government spiked?...Other intelligence experts agree that Edmonds stumbled upon a criminal conspiracy at the heart of the American judicial system."

jas
jas
Fidel

jas wrote:

The 9/11 Phone Calls: Disturbing Irregularities Uncovered in the Calls that Flashed around the World

The famous "let's roll" drama of the passenger revolt on UA 93 was relayed by passenger Todd Beamer's 13-minute unrecorded seat-back call to GTE telephone supervisor Lisa Jefferson, who reported Beamer as strangely tranquil, declining to speak to his wife. Eerily, Beamer's line remained open for 15 minutes after the crash.

Oddly, the Verizon wireless record shows that 19 calls were made from Beamer's cell phone long after the crash of UA 93.

There are so many holes in just the alleged phone calls as to demand a real investigation. But the entire 9/11 Commission cover-up stinks. Most curiuos people would think they wanted to make it look like a cover-up. The truth is, in my opinion, that the stinky cover-up is actually part of the imperialists projection of power. It says to the world, we know it stinks, but who is willing or able to challenge us? Who can make war with the beast?

Fidel

Why was a Sunday Times report on US government ties to al-Qaeda chief spiked?  FBI whistle-blower Sibel Edmonds was described as "the most gagged person in the history of the United States" by the American Civil Liberties Union. Was the Sunday Times pressured to drop its investigation into her revelations?

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Edmonds said that the Pentagon operations with Islamists were an “extension” of an original ‘Gladio’ programme uncovered in the 1970s in Italy, part of an EU-wide NATO covert operation that began as early as the 1940s. As Swiss historian Dr. Daniele Ganser records in his seminal book, NATO’s Secret Armies, an official Italian parliamentary inquiry confirmed that British MI6 and the CIA had established a network of secret “stay-behind” paramilitary armies, staffed by fascist and Nazi collaborators. The covert armies carried out terrorist attacks throughout Western Europe, officially blamed on Communists in what Italian military intelligence called the ‘strategy of tension’.

"Treadstone" merely morphed into "Blackbriar" as Robert Ludlum's cold war story plotline goes.   Extreme ways are not back again - they never stopped with the dirty tricks and support for terrorism. Gladio is still on after all these years.

And thank goodness for Sibel Edmonds. What a courageous person she is. Blessed be the truth tellers, for they shall have all the ice cream they want.

The glasnost is half full.

mmphosis
jas

Some Misunderstandings Related to WTC Collapse Analysis published in the International Journal of Protective Structures, June 2013

summaries provided here (scoll down) and here.

 

jas

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Barbara Honneger

Not too long ago I became convinced that the weakest link in the entire 911 scam was the Pentagon 'attack'.

It was obvious that the sexier, phallic-like twin towers and their horrific demise was designed to draw the public's attention away from the Pentagon strike and the downed plane in Pennsylvania.

There are mountains of evidence proving that Flight 77 did not strike the Pentagon.

Until recently, no one has put all of the available evidence together in a comprehensive manner.

Barbara Honneger has done so.

She has a book coming out on the Pentagon attack. She has a DVD released on this.

And there is a wonderful 3 hour talk that is available on Youtube here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fvJ8nFa5Qk

 

God bless this woman and the work she has done!

Anyone who was confused about the pristine lawn at the Pentagon, the plane parts found, the explosions etc. should check out the above video.

No one to date, has put together all of the pieces of the Pentagon puzzle better than Barbara has.

As is often the case however, Barbara is not the best candidate to tell her own story.

She rambles a fair bit and her power-point presentation is just too dense and full of too many capitalized words.

She has an extremely important story to share. It might be wise to hire a professional speaker who is fluid, captivating and concise in their delivery.

Geoff

I heard a really good radio clip on CBC's Sunday Edition about 9-11 and Canada's role in supporting it.  Oh, I mean 9-11, 1973, when The US cheered on a terrorist attack on the Chilean people by the Chilean army, with support from the CIA, the US military, as well as a number of other western countries.  Those were the good old days when we thought terrorism was a good thing.  Sorry, wrong thread.  I'm terrible with numbers.

jas

Yes, lots of nasty things go on in our world, don't they? They all deserve attention. 9/11 truth isn't trying to steal the limelight from any other misery in our world. It's trying to show people some larger patterns behind these events. Is that okay?

jas
jas
NDPP

9/11 Debunked in Under 5 Minutes (and vid)

http://tv.globalresearch.ca/2013/09/911-debunked-under-5-minutes

5 minute parody by James Corbett

jas

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New Poll Finds Most Americans Open to Alternative 9/11 Theories

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One in Two Surveyed Have Doubts About Government’s Account of 9/11.

46% Suspect Controlled Demolition of World Trade Center Building 7 after Viewing Video Footage of Collapse.

On the 12th anniversary of 9/11, a new national survey by the polling firm YouGov reveals that one in two Americans have doubts about the government’s account of 9/11, and after viewing video footage of World Trade Center Building 7’s collapse, 46% suspect that it was caused by a controlled demolition. Building 7, a 47-story skyscraper, collapsed into its own footprint late in the afternoon on 9/11.

 

Looks like 9/11 skepticism is becoming a mainstream position now. Won't be long before it becomes majority opinion.

wage zombie

It won't be long before it becomes majority opinion the same way as the JFK assassination has become majority opinion.  But I'd be surprised to see new investigations open up.

IMO the best thing the 9/11 truth movement could do is pay teenagers to make memes about 9/11.  I think the toughest part for the 9/11 truth movement is that it has largely consisted of people over 40 who are not so savvy at using the internet to get out their message.

jas

You may be right about whether we'll see a new investigation, but reading over the thread just now and noticing Krop's comment about the Reichstag fire and what the knowledge of its false flag status has done for us, and then Smith's comment that it was in fact a widely known but unspoken secret tells me that that's an example from history that we can use to show that false flag terrorism does exist and does occur.

If we can show that 9/11/01 is another example of this, then it will be that much harder for the perpetrators - imperialists, if you like - to continue to get away with these activities without using force to maintain their official version. We even see to some degree how force has been used to maintain the 9/11 lie thus far.

jas

Not quite sure what you mean. I think AE911Truth has done a fantastic and grassroots job of coordinating and disseminating the 9/11 truth message. And they/we are doing it against a coordinated and powerful governmental and media campaign to marginalize and discredit 9/11 inquiry, the spin-off effects of which we see constantly, even here, on Babble.

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