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IHT: Reconciliation Talks: US Duped by False Interlocutor in Talks, Says Taliban - by Naveed Hussain
http://tribune.com.pk/story/236229/reconciliation-talks-us-duped-by-fake...
"The Taliban have raised doubts about the identity of a key interlocutor that US government officials say they have engaged with in countries as far afield as Qatar and Germany, earlier this year.."
fooled/foiled again...
Update from Asia Times on the fierce propaganda and the armed resistance:
(sorry - I was unable to paste the article here)
atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/MH25Df05.html by Hamza Ameer.
Darn! They'll just have to continue warfiteering in Afghanistan with no peace deal in sight for years to come. It's as if they want to be duped and taken in by their former right wing extremist proxies, the Taliban. If the U.S. Military and NATO love pretending and playing charades with anyone, it's another bunch of right wing extremists just like themselves and who were hand-in-glove with each other from 1992 to 2001.
Afghanistan: Failing War Breeds Poverty
Bizarrely, negotiating such a deal is another pillar of Obama's strategy for a 2014 withdrawal.
The U.S. Military and NATO are working to legitimize the Taliban when they aren't funding and arming the Taliban, and they've openy admitted to that as well.
The west wants to deliver victory to the Taliban and make Taliban mullahs out to be the legitimate opposition to foreign military occupation, and never mind the other 80 pecent of the Afghan "insurgency". That is the plan. And the other other 80 percent or so can go to hell in a handbag for all the phony democratizers care about democracy. The general plan is for the large majority of Afghans to be on the losing end of any possible outcome. Meanwhile bloodlust for war and warfiteering, weapons dealing and drug trafficking reign merrily. Peace is just not profitable enough for principals on both sides of this dirty war.
It Was NATO's Raid Not Afghans
http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=111606
"[The] Attack from across the border in Chitral on Saturday once again highlighted the fact that some sinister campaign is in the offing to further pressure and destabilize Pakistan.."
From the above posted artical...
The attack by about 300 armed men is being given a new colour that it was carried out by Afghan based militants but one thing is for certain that this was done by the backing of occupation forces in Afghanistan. NATO and US forces are deployed all along the border with Pakistan and with sophisticated intelligence gadgets, it is not possible for a big group of people to cross the Durand Line without their knowledge.
How ironic does that sound coming from the guys whom had Bin Laden living right under their noses for years 1/2 mile from their "West Point" military academy? Almost priceless really... they are totally underestimating the prowlness and capabilities of the Taliban.
They got Elvis bin Laden? Where is he, everywhere?
Some actual proof he was even alive might have been an excellent propaganda piece for the upcoming ten-year 9/11 anniversary celebrations. I mean, after they had a chance to question him about some details concerning al-Qa'eda and their agenda, of course. That information would be priceless to Uncle Sam's bin Laden unit, FBI, CIA etc hunting him since 9/11 etc, don't you think?
He was alive right up till the time that Navy Seal shot him in the face...
Your relentless faith in the gladio gang's fairy tales is quite impressive. Trust and obey, it's the only way. I mean what choice do you have, really?
Was it photoshop'd or no? bwahahaha
Yeah as if you have room to talk.
Whatever Happened to the Contempt Charges? What Happened to Release of Afghan Detainee Documents?
http://greenparty.ca/blog/emay
"Most disturbing to me was Baird's framing of the issue as the handling of 'Taliban prisoners'. Calvin's testimony had put it clearly in my mind that these were not enemy combatants. They were randomly snatched, men in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Then I learned that if Canada had thought the prisoners WERE Taliban, there was an entirely different process. Those detainees identified as possible Taliban were not turned over to Afghan authorities at all, they were delivered to US forces in Afghanistan.
By definition, handing Afghan detainees over to the local authorities for questioning meant we did not think they were Taliban.
So after more than 18 months of controversy, devastating allegations, a historic finding of contempt, the slate has been wiped clean by the election. The order for the production of documents passed by the House has ceased to exist. The Speaker's order is null and void, and while historic, is history.
As one journalist said to me 'Who will care now?' 'No one is going to request the production of the remaining documents now.'
To which I replied, 'I do and I will."
COIN Failed to Deter Taliban - by Jean Mackenzie
http://ipolitics.ca/2011/09/03/jean-mackenzie-coin-failed-to-deter-talib...
LONDON: "The bad news on Afghanistan is that the international intervention there is irretrievably lost. The only good news, perhaps, is that the world's attention has moved on. After 10 years of botched efforts in Afghanistan, almost nobody cares anymore..."
almost nobody ever did...
Are The Taliban Winning? - by Gareth Porter
http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/09/16/are-the-taliban-winning/
"In the wake of the latest attacks, the Taliban war narrative achieved a new level of influence.."
Rabbani assassinated:
Former Afghan President Burhanuddin Rabbani was assassinated on Tuesday by a suicide bomber with explosives hidden in his turban, according to Kabul police officals.
... Rabbani had been head of Afghanistan's high peace council which aimed at a political settlement to the war, although little progress had been made in the year since it had been formed...
... Rabbani's death is the latest in a series of high-profile assassinations in Afghanistan, after the mayor of Kandahar Ghulam Haidar Hamidi and President Hamid Karzai's half brother Wali Karzai. It is expected to further divide Afghanistan's troubled political leadership.
http://news.antiwar.com/2011/09/20/former-afghan-president-rabbani-assas...
re peace talks - I guess they now have the Taliban's answer...
http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/09/22/canadian-soldiers-fought-taliban...
"Canadian military trainers helped defend a NATO compound in Kabul last week when Taliban insurgents launched a dramatic attack against the US Embassy and surrounding neighbourhood that killed 16 Afghans and wounded dozens more..
This revelation, combined with the assertions from a senior military official on Thursday that the Canadian Forces considers the Afghan capital an 'extremely violent' environment has raised fresh questions about the risks Canadian soldiers are facing in what was originally billed a law risk, 'behind the wire' training mission.
In testimony to the defence committee on Thursday, Brig. Gen Craig King said there are currently 600 Canadian military trainers in the country, with that number expected to reach 950 by November. Canada is the second largest contributor to the NATO-led training mission after the US, he said..."
What is the true cost of the Afghanistan War? - a short YouTube video narrated by Tony Benn
"Canadian military trainers helped defend a NATO compound in Kabul last week when Taliban insurgents launched a dramatic attack against the US Embassy and surrounding neighbourhood that killed 16 Afghans and wounded dozens more..
This revelation, combined with the assertions from a senior military official on Thursday that the Canadian Forces considers the Afghan capital an 'extremely violent' environment has raised fresh questions about the risks Canadian soldiers are facing in what was originally billed a law risk, 'behind the wire' training mission.
In testimony to the defence committee on Thursday, Brig. Gen Craig King said there are currently 600 Canadian military trainers in the country, with that number expected to reach 950 by November. Canada is the second largest contributor to the NATO-led training mission after the US, he said..."
Canada's soldiers DIED
Because Canadian politicians LIED*
*What "We support the Troops" really means.
The History of the Haqqanis - by Shaukat Qadir
http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/09/29/the-history-of-the-haqqanis/
"When the US suffers a defeat in Afghanistan, it will need another scapegoat. I stated this nine years ago; I give yhou one guess which country is a made-to-order scapegoat here? Neither history, nor truth, nor realities are of any significance. All that matters is that there is a readymade scapegoat to be proven guilty by media trial and convicted for its defeat.
But Pakistan should be very proud. It has replaced the combined might of China and, the other erstwhile super-power, the USSR..."
Ten years ago, on 8 October, the US imperialists launched a brazen military invasion of Afghanistan, in the name of waging a “war on terror”. In these last ten years, the land of the brave Afghan people has been trampled under the jackboots of the troops of the US imperialists and their allies. Their villages, towns, roads and even mountains have been bombed repeatedly. The aggression and occupation of Afghanistan was followed by the criminal bombing and imperialist conquest of Iraq in the name of destroying non-existent “weapons of mass destruction”. Over a million people in these two countries have been killed in this past decade in the name of fighting terrorism.
In keeping with their proud tradition of never bowing down before any invader, the people of Afghanistan have kept up a relentless resistance all these years. As a result, the US imperialist-led occupation is in deep trouble. Opposition to the foreign forces is growing day by day....
The US led imperialist propaganda presents the invasion of Afghanistan 10 years ago as a reaction to the destruction of the World Trade Centre in New York on Sept 11, 2001. However, the truth is that plans were afoot in Washington to invade Afghanistan months before the Sept 11 attack. The truth about who actually organised the Sept 11 terrorist attack remains a mystery to this day; but what is clear is that it gave the US government precisely the excuse it needed to launch an all-out invasion of Afghanistan.
- Communist Ghadar Party of India
It's not a mystery. It's obvious who orchrestrated 9/11. The communists of Ghadar are simply choosing not to argue the point.
To mark the tenth anniversary of the imperialist assault on Afghanistan, the U.K. Stop The War Coalition is holding a mass rally at noon today in Trafalgar Square. It will end with a march to 10 Downing Street, led by ex-soldiers and military families, to demand that the government bring the troops home from Afghanistan now.
Performers and speakers include Noam Chomsky, John Pilger, Jemima Khan, Lowkey, Billy Bragg, world renowned composer Howard Blake, Brian Eno, Julian Assange, Mark Steel, novelist Ahdaf Soueif, Unite general secretary Len McCluskey, actors Simon McBurney and Mark Rylance, Jeremy Corbyn MP, and many more.
Meanwhile, in Canada nothing is planned. Our "left" parliamentary politicians will remain silent, and the anniversary will pass unnoticed by Canadians.
Because Canadian politicians LIED*
*What "We support the Troops" really means.
Exactly.
Britons to Gov't: Finish Afghan Hell, Now! (vid)
http://rt.com/news/afghanistan-war-troops-uk-379/
"..John Hilary, executive director of War on Want, says a foreign aid crisis is unfolding now in Afghanistan and NATO is to blame.."
I see Canada's anti-war movement is again NOT out in force - to mark this ten year Afghan war anniversary...
I see Canada's anti-war movement is again NOT out in force - to mark this ten year Afghan war anniversary...
That's right. And too much of the left swallowed the 9/11 kool aid ten years ago. It's still a case that whatever crazy George II said at the time is fine with them. "Pious Muslims" are responsible for ten years of liquid global war. They have no proof positive of any of the hijackers identities, but they sure knew which countries needed bombing and occupying militarily. However, there are Canadians for 911 Truth. Not all Canadians and Americans were sucked in by crazy George II and his fascist minions. We didn't buy the US Government-sponsored lies about nurse "Nayirah", non-existent WMD or the one about Qaeda linked to Saddam, the Bush era junk science on climate change, or the 9/11 baloney. We came to the conclusion that they lied constantly to the public.
And how do we know they were lying? Whenever their lips moved, they were lying.
And too much of the left swallowed the 9/11 kool aid ten years ago. It's still a case that whatever crazy George II said at the time is fine with them. "Pious Muslims" are responsible for ten years of liquid global war. They have no proof positive of any of the hijackers identities, but they sure knew which countries needed bombing and occupying militarily.
You can stop this stupid slander of the Canadian left NOW.
To suggest that the left in Canada supports the war in Afghanistan is a filthy lie, promulgated to support your own paranoid fantasies. It's also incredibly hypocritical of you to slander the left on Afghanistan while always offering a raft of phony excuses for the NDP's repeated betrayals on this issue.
On a truly "progressive" discussion board you would not be allowed to spew this crap.
And too much of the left swallowed the 9/11 kool aid ten years ago. It's still a case that whatever crazy George II said at the time is fine with them. "Pious Muslims" are responsible for ten years of liquid global war. They have no proof positive of any of the hijackers identities, but they sure knew which countries needed bombing and occupying militarily.
You can stop this stupid slander of the Canadian left NOW.
To suggest that the left in Canada supports the war in Afghanistan is a filthy lie, promulgated to support your own paranoid fantasies. It's also incredibly hypocritical of you to slander the left on Afghanistan while always offering a raft of phony excuses for the NDP's repeated betrayals on this issue.
It's simple, provide all of us on the left with proof that loco George II and long-time embedded war bureaucrats Dick Cheney and Donald the Don Rumsfeld told you the truth about 9/11 when they testified not under oath, off the record, behind closed doors and in complete secrecy from public scrutiny.
Prove to those of us on the progressive left that Elvis bin Laden situated half way around the world on dialysis, and using only a laptop and a cell phone orchestrated the demolition of three buildings with two hijacked planes, while in Washington a poorly trained Cessna pilot grabbed control of a 757 before flying it into an 8000 foot descending corkscrew combat maneuver to perfectly level with ground trajectory and taking out the same Pentagon Department charged with accounting for the missing $2 trillion dollars in taxpayer spending on all things war and US government-sponsored global terrorism.
What they have on the alleged hijackers is nothing but a lot of circumstantial evidence. Those of us on the progressive left have a right not to believe that 19 "pious Muslims" who like to snort coke and live with pink-haired strippers had anything to do with 9/11. In fact, we think it our duty to question this highly suspect US Govt narrative. The alleged terrorists might be executed on circumstantial evidence in some countries, but not here in Canada. And if you are really a progressive person, you would not be nodding your head up and down in rapid agreement with Murder Inc and their bullshit 9/11 fairy tale. We don't hang people on circumstantial evidence or on evidence extracted by torture. You might agree with that, but not those of us on the progressive left anti-war movement. Circumstantial evidence extracted by torture is worthless as far as every progressive person I know is concerned. You have no proof, and neither do the real terrorists responsible for orchestrating 9/11.
Prove to us on the progressive left that the imperialists' own "blowback" theory has any merit whatsoever.
In fact, I'd suggest that you stop confusing yourself with those of us on the progressive left and the anti-war movement altogether from now on, because it's difficult to listen to the paroting of right wing narrative emanating from Warshington, Ottawa, and their Al-CIA'duh associates in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt who are in all probability still sliding in and out of the U.S. and Canada with the same diplomatic immunity guaranteed them by cold warriors since the 1980s and 90s. It might even be time for those on the weak left to cash-in their progressive anti-war membership cards and slide over to the other side of the line where they belong, bashing the NDP and attempting to insulate the right from any and all blame for what is a situation of liquid global war and state-sponsored terrorism.
Yeah we know. When filled with overwhelming doubt about everything from the parade of US Government lies about 9/11 to cell phone safety, always-always err on the side of the warfiteering industrial complex and the corporatocracy in general.
Afghanistan: Ten Years of Aimless War - by Eric Margolis
http://informationclearinghouse.info/article29339.htm
"After ten years of war costing at least $450 billion, 1,600 dead and 15,000 seriously wounded soldiers, the US has achieved none of its strategic or desired goals..."
A senior UN drug official recently asserted that Afghan heroin killed 10,000 people in NATO countries last year. And this does not include Russia, a primary destination for Afghan heroin.
So the United States is now the proud owner of the world's leading narco-state and deeply involved with the Afghan Tajik drug mafia.
One thing about corporate welfare and military-industrialism - it never does make fiscal sense, and it's never designed to. This is a problem when a relative few thousand or so people own government and are basically heading up a centrally planned economy. What's wrong in all of the English-speaking countries is a lack of democracy in general.
Margolis is right about propping-up drug barons in Afghanistan. The CIA admitted to doing just that since the 1980s. Their thought on the matter was to ask what was more important, defeating communism or creating "a few stirred up Muslims?", as the very racist Zbigniew Brzezinski said about it after the damage was done.
The CIA has taken over from the Brits as drug dealing pirates roaming the seven seas and secret plane services hopping continents with torture flights and cargos of illicit drugs. The CIA have become the world's biggest dope delivery service according to some historians. Like the Brits subjugated millions in China with opium, so is a rogue wing of the CIA dealing drugs in Central Asia as they have since just after WW II in places like Burma and their French connections in Marseille and later the Goldren triangle in South-East Asia, and then Haiti, Colombia, Mexico, Afghanistan, Kosovo, Albania etc. A lot of the drug money ends up being laundered in London and through Wall Street banks. This is another side of capitalism that is not make public as a rule.
ETA: I'm not so sure opium production was ended under the Taliban. By what I've read, they only reduced the supply thereby driving up the price of Afghan 'product'. The Taliban are actually very good capitalists and know all about maintaining secret stockpiles for rainy days. Capitalism is all about controlling supplies and creating false shortages. Afghan drug lords and later, the Taliban, were propped-up by many millions of US tax dollars in the 1980s and 90s to 2001. They know all about controlling supply and manipulating "the market."
Which is worth more: an Air America plane load of tomotoes and rice, or an Air America shitload of heroin?
Julian Assange: 'Journalists are War Criminals' (and vid)
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/312524
"The event was an anti-war assembly commemorating the ten year anniversary of the Afghan War.."
like the one that Canada's anti-war movement didn't have here
Ten years? Someone should ask Assange what happened 10 years ago that started all of this?
Because we are supposed to believe that those who fought for the CIA in Afghanistan suddenly decided they wanted out of the Gladio mafia and turned on their NATO bosses. Yes, even violent misogynists, drug barons and the most ruthless of warlords, Elvis bin Laden etc are capable of having social consciences and keen senses of social justice. Those poor Palestinians. The infidels would have to pay for it on 9/11/01. This is what the so-called left has been reduced to believing, sad but true.
Afghanistan Officials 'Systematically Tortured' Detainees Says UN Report
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/10/afghanistan-torture?newsfeed...
"Interviews with 379 people held by police and intelligence services describe beatings, removing toenails and electric shocks. Detainees told UN investigators that tortures included being hung by wrists to walls and ceilings, beatings, usually with rubber hoses and electric cables, twisting and wrenching of genitals, removal of toenails, threats of sexual abuse and electric shocks. It said blindfolding and hooding of detainees was common as well as the denial of medical care.
Some of the worst and most common allegations of torture were at the national directorate of Security's Kabul facility, known as department 90. 'THere is so much beating at 90 that people call it 'hell', one interviewee told the UN.
Five out of six teenage boys held in department 90 and interviewed by the UN said there were abused. At an NDP facility in Kandahar, one detainee reported he was threatened with having a wooden stick with chili powder stuck up his rectum..."
Setting The Record Straight on the War in Afghanistan - by Lawrence Martin
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/setting-the-record-...
"...When it was clear the war rationale of fighting terrorism wasn't working, we find out how the Conservatives decided to try to sell the war on the basis of it being a humanitarian mission.
The fighting for Canadians is over now. Only peacekeepers and trainers remain. What also remains is a lot of spin to the effect that our mission succeeded. In 'The Savage War' there's a far different story."
Afghanistan Officials 'Systematically Tortured' Detainees Says UN Report
Here's a link to the UN Report (84pp., .pdf file)
And the war criminals in Ottawa are still trying to pretend that none of the detainees handed over to Afghan authorities were tortured. We'll never get the incriminating documents released because the opposition capitulated to the Conservatives even after the latter had been found in contempt of Parliament.
But Amnesty International is trying to keep the issue alive, even if the politicians want to bury it:
The demand comes in the wake of a blistering United Nations report that documents the torture of suspected Taliban fighters in Afghan jails.
An Amnesty letter to Defence Minister Peter MacKay, obtained by The Canadian Press, warned that Ottawa's obligations under international law have not ceased just because troops are no longer capturing insurgents in the field....
[Canadian] operations went on right up until the changeover and Canadian soldiers continued to turn prisoners over to local authorities, including the notorious National Directorate of Security, the Afghan intelligence agency named in the UN report.
"Given the widespread nature of these reports, it is likely that some of the prisoners alleging abuse were transferred by the Canadian Forces," wrote Paul Champ, the lawyer for the human rights group.
"Canada must immediately take action to confirm the physical condition of every individual transferred by the Canadian Forces to Afghan authorities."...
"Canada must ensure that independent and competent investigations of these allegations are carried out, with charges and prosecution where appropriate. Unfortunately, there is no evidence that Afghanistan has properly investigated past allegations of abuse."
A complaint from Amnesty and the B.C. Civil Liberties Association started a public inquiry by the Military Police Complaints Commission into the transfer of suspected insurgents by Canadian soldiers. The watchdog agency has yet to finalize its report into the question of whether military police knew, or should have known, about alleged torture.
Handing over prisoners to torture is a violation of international law.
The UN report, released Monday, painted a stark, alarming picture of systemic torture within the Afghan justice system. It fingered the country's brutal and corrupt police force as well as the intelligence service.
The report found evidence of a compelling pattern and practice of torture and ill-treatment among those detained by the intelligence service....
Throughout the public hearings by the complaints commission, Canadian officials insisted there was no solid evidence of abuse.
But your all-powerful Bay St Government closed down Parliament because they were cowering from the NDP's calls for transparency and accountability on torture and kissing Uncle Sam's fat ass in general.
They sure as hell didn't close down Parliament twice and on the lam from the very compliant with torture Liebranos Party of Bananada, that's for sure.
But your all-powerful Bay St Government closed down Parliament because they were cowering from the NDP's calls for transparency and accountability on torture and kissing Uncle Sam's fat ass in general.
Too bad that after Parliament reopened again and the Speaker declared the government to be in contempt of Parliament if they didn't hand over the torture files the NDP joined with the Liberals and Bloc in accepting a phony "compromise" (the so-called "panel of experts", remember?) that ended up killing the issue and suppressing the facts. And all because the three opizishin parties were cowering at the prospect of an election!
Afghanistan: Ten Years of Illegal Occupation (and vid)
http://tv.globalresearch.ca/2011/10/afghanistan-ten-years-illegal-occupa...
October 7 marked the ten year anniversary of the commencement of NATO operations in Afghanistan. Although the impending illegal invasion of Iraq in 2003 was enough to drive millions of people worldwide into the streets in protest, there has never been the same widespread resistance to the Afghan war.
In allowing this invasion to go forward and mounting no significant opposition or resistance to the operation itself, the public has effectively allowed the war criminals to set a series of disturbing precedents, which future political leaders have used and will continue to use, to wage their own wars of conquest.."
like Libya - unprotested and unopposed here.
For a rare moment I was proud of Canada when on the UN Afghanistan Mission (war) webpage I saw all the little flags of the participating countries and there was Canada with Holland as the only two who've retired. I know we've still got advisors there but that was there for the Terry Glavins and the many humanitarian warriers who didn't want the 'mission' to end until all the girls were in schools and without veils. I'm sick of hearing this called 'Harper's War' It was Chrétien and Martin's war and after two House of Commons extensions, we're out. As Harper said in New York, You can't impose a government in Afgha nistan. I'm proud.
And I'm sure Herr Harper is proud of you in return.
So Harper is Hitler. With opponents like you no wonder the Conservatives increased their share of the vote in May
I'm flattered that you think Canadians went to the polls to vote for your friend Harper just to spite me personally.
Harper is not my 'friend' and you are not responsible for his re-election. But the Liberals got us into Afghanistan and now most of our forces are leaving (like Holland). I'll give you the last word. I've got better things to do.
Gotta get out there and find another country to invade with our new attack jets, new frigates, and newly-refurbished LAV-IIIs. Oh wait - I forgot. The Conservatives are the peace party and the Liberals are the war party. Silly me.
Speaking of silly, how am I not responsible for Harper's re-election given that with opponents like me it's no wonder the Conservatives increased their share of the vote in May?
So Harper is Hitler. With opponents like you and your kind no wonder the Conservatives increased their share of the vote in May
There, I fixed it for you...
That doesn't solve Rikky Rikardo's logical contradiction.
If I'm "not responsible" for Harper's re-election, as he maintains, then neither are "my kind". And yet it is proposed that Harper's increased share of the vote is a result of his having opponents like "me and my kind".
Surely if we were the cause, then we were responsible for the result.
Sounds good to me. Harper won becouse more people voted for him (than your guy).
Why was that?
Sounds good to me. Harper won becouse more people voted for him (than your guy).
Why was that?
You should not pose that question hereabouts, BDC. It will only lead to the denunciation of social democrats. You must be very specific, ie. what would it take to have mainstreet come to some understanding of the realities of their world ? Stick to the institutions that we have to live with, have grown up with, have watched grow and corrupt over time. :)
For a rare moment I was proud of Canada when on the UN Afghanistan Mission (war) webpage I saw all the little flags of the participating countries and there was Canada with Holland as the only two who've retired. I know we've still got advisors there but that was there for the Terry Glavins and the many humanitarian warriers who didn't want the 'mission' to end until all the girls were in schools and without veils. I'm sick of hearing this called 'Harper's War' It was Chrétien and Martin's war and after two House of Commons extensions, we're out. As Harper said in New York, You can't impose a government in Afgha nistan. I'm proud.
Graeme Smith of the Globe exposed Harper and crew for the lying bastards they are when he pointed to the torture of detainees handed over by Canadian troops.
That practice by the Afghan military police has now been confirmed.
You are a little bit proudD of the fine example set by Canadians over there? Or do you not read anything beyond the Conservative propaganda machine's output?
Sounds good to me. Harper won becouse more people voted for him (than your guy).
Why was that?
Sorry I'm in the USA... I know pretty much nothing about Canadian politics.
Sounds good to me. Harper won becouse more people voted for him (than your guy).
Why was that?
Rikardo's theory is that his favourite party not only "won" but "increased their share of the vote", and there was "no wonder" that this happened "with opponents like you [i.e. me]" - and, if we accept your amendment, "opponents like me and my kind".
It seems obvious to me he's saying the new voter support for the incumbent party was the result of my using the German word for "Mr." before the revered leader's surname. But when challenged on this, he backed off and said I wasn't responsible for it after all. Then he ran away before I could get him to present a different theory for Harper's increased success - one that didn't involve making me (and my kind) "responsible" for it. So I guess we'll never know why Harper's vote increased in May, 2011!
Ok I get that, so were you trying to insinuate Harper was like Hitler?
By the way I wasn't "arguing" anything here; I just corrected the vocabulary of his sentence.
Ok I get that, so were you trying to insinuate Harper was like Hitler?
By the way I wasn't "arguing" anything here; I just corrected the vocabulary of his sentence.
No apology or explanation needed for me, BDC. Anyone with your progressive views that can live in Texas is one I salute. An old (or young) Johnsonian Democrat. Damn, those were the days.
Ok I get that, so were you trying to insinuate Harper was like Hitler?
No, I was insinuating he was "ein berliner".
Ok I get that, so were you trying to insinuate Harper was like Hitler?
By the way I wasn't "arguing" anything here; I just corrected the vocabulary of his sentence.
Yes the big blew machine, and for all their big money backers on Bay Street and with largest war chest going into the snap election for short-term political gain, increased their share of the eligible vote all the way from 22% to 24%. Worst Past the Post is electoral fraud.
Democracy should more appropriately be referred to as corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power. - herr Harper
Ok I get that, so were you trying to insinuate Harper was like Hitler?
No, I was insinuating he was "ein berliner".
I see.. According to this though you are incorrect:
JFK: 'I Am a Jelly Donut' ('Ich bin ein Berliner')He did not say he was a jelly donut.
Your link sez:
The picture I posted is of the latter pastry.
Neither Hitler nor Harper is/was a "citizen of Berlin". (Nor was JFK, for that matter.)
Af-Pak Designed to Implode Pakistan - by Zaid Hamid
http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=122497
"...After bringing death and destruction to Afghanistan and Iraq, violent regime-change and dismemberment plans are being deployed in Sudan, Egypt, Libya, Syria and Yemen with Saudi Arabia and Iran next in line. Pakistan is already staggering under the sheer scale of violence, war, chaos as well as political and economic anarchy.."
Interesting; thanks for the article NDPP. I understand the usual "western crusader/NATO" blaah blaah blaah but then I looked into/searched the meaning of the word "Kharjee" on the internet... Wow.
US Commander Sacked for Remarks on Karzai
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/208471.html
"...He criticized Afghan President Hamid Karzai, for his recent remark that Afghanistan would back Pakistan in the event that the latter country enters a war with the US, blasting Karzai's comments as 'erratic.' Why don't you just poke me in the eye with a needle.? You've got to be kidding me...I'm sorry but we just gave you $USD 11.6 Billion and now you're telling me,'I don't really care,' Fuller said."
you just can't get good help these days...
Christ, they've been there so long they should start paying taxes. Gladio mafia out of Afghanistan!
Corrupt Mujahideen Stooges Seek Support For US Military Occupation Through 2024
ICC Mulls Probe into Canada's Treatment of Afghan Detainees
http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/11/15/icc-mulls-probe-into-canadas-tre...
"Moreno-Campo said his report will not specifically focus on Canada's treatment of detainees in Afghanistan, but all crimes allegedly committed in that country and several others.
Most allegations, he added, are against the Taliban, but all claims are being looked at.
Afghanistan isn't the only country in which Canada could face a possible ICC investigation. Retired Canadian judge Philippe Kirsch is heading a UN investigation into allegations of war crimes and crimes against humanity in Libya, with a report due in March.."
an imperialist court looking into imperialist crimes....yeah right. Moreno-Campo is a kangaroo that knows not only which side his bread is buttered on but jumps only when told to and where...
Canadian Troops Headed to US Survival School for Afghan Risks
http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/politics/article/1090443--canadian-tr...
"...Revelations that the military is seeking US survival training for the 2011-2014 training mission on Afghanistan have raised questions about why Canada must turn to the US..."
“Any mission in Afghanistan involves significant risks.”
So now they're shipping more of our tax dollars to a private military training company in Virginia, called Team Crucible, to teach Canadian soldiers how to survive in Afghanistan. From Team Crucible's website:
And this is after Canada's ten-year combat mission!
Mission accomplished, indeed!
you'll also find somewhere in the threads 'Blackwater trains our troops'. No surprise the head of the army Peter Devlin was trained at the US War College and served as a General in Iraq. The Americanization of our forces is a longstanding and ongoing process, not much discussed unfortunately. But don't worry, we're militarily making links with other militaries too - like Irael.
Corruption in Afghanistan: Worse Than You Thought
http://www.salon.com/2011/11/17/corruption_in_afghanistan_worse_than_you...
"A new report suggests up to 30 percent of US taxpayer money spent on certain aid projects is stolen...So where is all that stolen money going? The report explains...Corruption takes many forms..."
The Fruits of Liberation - by Glenn Greenwald
http://www.salon.com/2011/11/25/the_fruits_of_liberation/singleton/
"In Afghanistan - yet again: Six children were among seven civilians killed in a NATO airstrike in southern Afghanistan, Afghan officials said Thursday.
All in the name of a single, one-day attack [likely orchestrated by themselves] more than a decade ago, the US has spent more than ten years slaughtering children in numerous countries in all sorts of different ways, and we continue to do it unabated - see here, here, here, here and here as just illustrative examples.
All this as the Washington Post demands regime change in Iran, national security reporters start casually calling for war in Syria the way most people ponder their lunch options, and it is reported today that the US is escalating its drone attacks and other proxy war fighting in Somalia.
At some point, doesn't a country's ongoing willingness year after year to extinguish the lives of innocent human beings in multiple countries, for no good reason, seriously mar the character of the country and the political leaders responsible for it, to say nothing of the way it inexorably degrades the political culture of the nation and the minds of the citizens who acquiesce to it?
Showing 'em how to do it right!
Afghanistan is just one of number of conflicts(wars) where Canada is involved. They are discussed separately in this "international" forum but there has never been a specific forum for PEACE/ANTI-WAR ACTIVISM as there is for aboriginal issues or anti-racism. The anti-war movement in Canada is divided and weak especially with humanitarian wars (UN and NATO) and R2P seeming the future.
The anti-war movement in Canada is divided and weak especially with humanitarian wars (UN and NATO) and R2P seeming the future.
That's mostly because it gets zero political leadership and support from our politicians.
Does anyone remember from spring 02 reading about robo disks? They were like drones, but disks with big guns, operated from California.
There was a forum of military types going on about them, which of course I can't find now. I remember being so horrified, as were some of the posters in the forum.
Now no one reaches for something to puke into when a drone appears on the screen or in print. They might be useful for "our" oil in the Arctic.
Canadian mining companies winning in fourth world Afghanistan DeBeers winning in Third World Attawapiskat
Afghans still desperately poor and terrorized after ten years of military occupation
US-Supported Afghan Militias to Expand, Depite Atrocities - by Jason Dix
http://news.antiwar.com/2011/12/12/u-s-supported-afghan-militias-to-expa...
"The US policy of arming and supporting violent, criminal Afghan militias to fight Taliban insurgents in villages across Afghanistan is in the process of being expanded according to a senior officer in the NATO-led war..."
Keynesian-militarists goal is to $pend but not win IED's and America's war in Afghanistan
It's not whether you win but how the war lobby and Pentagon capitalists are able to push the big game into overtime, and how many billions of taxpayer dollars they can cheat and rob from increasing numbers of impoverished Americans.
Vietnam was a resounding success for them, too.
Convoys of Chaos
An inspirational account out of Pakistan. It had me grinning from ear to ear when I thought of those tea bagist/evangelical/security state gomers wanting to cut their fellow citizen's social programs...excepting their own of course...in order to continue paying for all of this.
I think warfiteers have known for some time that Afghanistan is unwinnable. Apparently Napoleon was the first "Great Satan." The worst case scenario is if Karzai and his US Military backers strike a deal for power sharing with the Taliban. Afghanistan's three largest ethnic minorities oppose Taliban ideology. Women and other groups will be left out of what would be a very undemocratic process. Karzai and the west would likely deal away women's rights to their former friends and proxies, the Taliban.
Taliban intends to open peace talk offices in Qatar
Karzai, NATO and CIA officials will want to deal with the Taliban and not the large majority of tribal and ethnic leaders. It will be most undemocratic.
Wacky Office Games Used As Morale Boosters in Prime Minister's Department
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/breakingnews/wacky-office-games-...
"Several hundred of the prime minister's civil service staff donned full combat gear, pretended to visit an Afghan village, and sucked on name tags using straws in a zany day of games meant to boost morale...the Afghan village event was designed to help staff understand the day to day work of Canadian Forces members and civilians deployed in Afghanistan.."
any 'interrogation' of detainees or 'wacky' JTF2 night-raid games?
The Roadmap to the Afghan Endgame - by Pepe Escobar
http://aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/01/20121610014530356.html
"Some Taliban may set up an office in Doha, but will all Americans actually leave Kabul?
..After all, there is no monolithic 'Taliban' - it's a Pashtun style coalition of the willing...Yet by any possible measure the Taliban will never allow permanent outposts of the US Empire of bases. Their maximum concession is to sever links with al-Qaeda. Doha is a Hail Mary pass.
The Obama administration had to come up with something, after all there's a NATO summit in Chicago next May. The eurozone is imploding. 2012 will be a hardcore social unrest year all across the Western Europe. There's simply no more collective stomach - not to mention wallets - for the interminable AfPak quagmire.."
Talking to the Taliban
'Have A Great Day Buddy!': A Perfect Picture of US Foreign Policy
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2085378/video-Marine-Corps-urina...
"While we have not yet verified the origin or authenticity of this video, the actions portrayed are not consistent with our core values and are not indicative of the character of the Marines.."
oh yes they are...nazi bastards
Canada Opposes Afghan Demand for Control of Prison
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/canada-in-afghanistan/Canada+opposes+A...
"Canada has chastised the Afghan government for attempting to take control of an important prison outside Kabul, a move many say puts the safety of Canadian-captured security detainees in serious jeopardy. Afghan President Hamid Karzai demanded last week that American forces relinguish control of the Detention facility in Parwan, located near [on] the Bagram Air Base, within a month.
Canada signed a new detainee agreement with the United States last month, which says any Afghan captured henceforth by Canadian Forces personnel will be transferred to US custody. Karzai's demand for control of the Parwan detention centre was prompted by a new report by Afghan government investigators, led by Gul Rahman Qazi. The report says Afghans in US custody endure mistreatment..."
so abuse by US is better...?
Is Bagram, Barack Obama's Guantanamo?
http://thenewblackmagazine.com/view.aspx?index=2246
"At Bagram Airbase in Afghanistan, it is said that the conditions are far worse than those in Guantanamo. In 2005, 15 US soldiers were tried for torture and abuse in relation to the high profile homicides of Habibullah and Diliwar, two unarmed civilian Afghan prisoners who were chained to the ceiling and beaten to death at the camp....daily abuses take place within this notorious camp.."
Secret Intel Report Leaked: US In Afghan Dead End
http://rt.com/news/us-intelligence-taliban-afghanistan-699/
"The latest US intelligence report concludes the war against the Taliban has reached an impasse, with the Taliban remaining committed to taking back Afghanistan by force as soon as NATO troops leave the country.."
Analyst: US Using Afghanistan, Taliban to Attain Bigger Goals
TEHRAN (FNA)- A senior Afghan political analyst underlined the strategic importance of Afghanistan for the US, and said Washington uses Afghanistan and Taliban as a tool to attain its macro-scale goals in the region.
He also referred to the relations and contacts between the Taliban and the US which have recently increased, and said Washington is using Taliban as a tool to materialize its goals in Afghanistan and in the region.
Afghan analyst comments on the phony war in his country.
And we might make a wild guess as to which undemocratic forces the imperialist invaders will want to deal-in to the power sharing arrangement in Kabul in order to sabotage any chance for democracy and women's rights after the pullout,Two British Soldiers Abused Kids Aged Ten
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4068363/Two-British-soldiers-a...
"...The accused pair - a sergeant and a private in the Mercian Battle Group - allegedly encouraged a boy and a girl to touch them through their clothes. They are said to have filmed the children doing it before showing the footage to other soldiers on laptops.
The allegations come days after the US military was rocked by video said to show Marines urinating on Taliban corpses."
and the "Taliban" appeared from the footage to be not soldiers but young boys, probably farmers with no weapons and a wheelbarrow. Good thing the resistance is winning and the West losing this war. Such sadism and perverted practices are a particular hallmark of anglo-american armies and occupations...
Why Was It Kandahar for Canada's Troops?
http://www.cbc.ca/dispatches/news-promo/2012/01/20/why-was-it-kandahar-f...
"In sending troops to secure that southern province of Afghanistan, Canada committed itself to the deadliest assignment since the Korean War. A new report characterizes the Canadian effort as valiant and important, but also as 'flawed' and 'ill starred'. It says Canada didn't know how dangerous Kandahar was when it lobbied for the assignment, and it cut NATO out of the process to get there. Why?..."
'DU Destroying Afghans Gene Pool' (and vid)
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/224042.html
"The US use of radioactive munitions in Afghanistan has destroyed the people's health and mutilated the genetic future of the country.
US Uses Depleted Uranium, Makes Graveyards in Afghanistan (and vid)
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/224165.html
"An Afghan activist reveals the US is still using horrific depleted uranium weapons in Afghanistan, creating graveyards of people who die of caner and other unusual diseases. The Afghan activist also warned that as long as the earth exists the Afghans will be dying from the disaster because uranium 238 has a half-life of 4.5 billion years.."
our warcriminal allies...
Lieutenant Colonel Jimmie Cummings, a spokesman for the NATO-led International Security Assistance Force, confirmed the existence of the document, reported on Wednesday by Britain’s Times newspaper and the BBC.
Reuters
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The Telegraph
And just so long as their former proxies, the CIA/ISI-supported Taliban do take control and not the other 80% of the Afghan resistance. Because that would be a real failure of Western policy in Afghanistan.
The phogna-balogna war on terror continues.
The Telegraph
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NATO combat role in Afghanistan to end next year
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The Telegraph
The US and friends want to create another purely ideologically driven Islamic state, like they did with Iran by 1979 and have attempted doing in Pakistan and Afghanistan since General Zia.
Paving the way for and propping-up militant Islam is like pouring sulphuric acid on a flower. Pretty soon there can be no flowers.
Before very long the ground is no longer fertile for democracy. It's what they do.
I really wish the Afghan people would win some day in the near future. The US and Brits have been meddling in Asia for a helluva long time.
The US and friends want to create another purely ideologically driven Islamic state, like they did with Iran by 1979 ...
This is idiotic nonsense. The U.S. wanted to keep the Shah in power, not replace him with Ayatollah Khomeini.
The US and friends want to create another purely ideologically driven Islamic state, like they did with Iran by 1979 ...
This is idiotic nonsense. The U.S. wanted to keep the Shah in power, not replace him with Ayatollah Khomeini.
Yeah, I mean really... come on Fidel, that's streching it a bit much don't you think?
The US and friends want to create another purely ideologically driven Islamic state, like they did with Iran by 1979 ...
This is idiotic nonsense. The U.S. wanted to keep the Shah in power, not replace him with Ayatollah Khomeini.
And when Khomeini seized power, what changed exactly? The Shah's torturerers were replaced with the similarly bloodthirsty Ayatollah's, and what was left of Mossadegh's people, moderates and left wing mullahs were rounded-up and executed. According to memoirs of a former Iranian president, the west provided Khomeini's regime with a list of lefties to be rounded-up and eliminated in 1983. Khomeini through Ahmadinejad have kept the lid on counterrevolution ever since. And in case you haven't noticed, this is still not a social democratic regime in Tehran sorry to have to break it to you.
And they worked to achieve similar results in Pakistan and Afghanistan with the Talibanization of those two countries since Zia, senator Charlie Wilson and stacks and stacks of U.S. dollars were invested to ensure the proliferation militant Islam there. With militant Islam you guarantee that at the very least half the population namely women will be denied basic rights. It's been a pattern in Latin America with the backing of right wing death squad governments, and the reppression of women's rights in the "Middle East" and Central Asia has achieved similar results for them. It's why the west is supporting "AQIM" in their drive to create militant Islam in the greater Maghreb region of North Africa today.
Democracy prevention is what the CIA and Brits have done since the 1950's, I'm afraid. Wakey wakey. It's time to smell what the chefs from hell have bin cookin'.
So I guess the USA supported Fidel Casto's take over in Cuba then, right?
So I guess the USA supported Fidel Casto's take over in Cuba then, right?
Fidel played a cool hand during his visit to the states in 1959. He was wildly popular as far the Americans were concerned. Only when Fidel began speaking of expropriating land and giving it to Cubans and needing money for poverty relief did Nixon realize Fidel wasn't someone they could control. Tricky Dick told Eisenhower that Fidel was a communist and that they couldn't work with him. Fidel approached the Americanos at first and not the Soviets. And when Washington turned their backs on Fidel, Fidel went to those who would help Cuba.
In Afghanistan it's been a similar story. The CIA, Brits and Saudis etc bypassed moderates in Afghanistan in favour of right wing extremists, like Hekmatyar, Rabbani etc. Only the most ruthless would do and preferably those who had little support from Afghan people themselves. This was the CIA's insurance that they could be controlled from Washington with taxpayer dollars and weapons shipments as they waged anticommunist jihad in Central Asia. Of course, they did have some cleanup work to do with Ahmed Shah Massood, the "lion of Panjsir" when he declared war on the Taliban in 1992. Massood had switched sides to the SCO alliance by that time. And by 1992 the CIA had allegedly broken covert ties with the militant Islamic terror network. And it was a lie. "Blowback" is an imperialist lie.
And when Khomeini seized power, what changed exactly?
What changed, obviously, is that instead of Iran being a great ally of the USA, it became a hated enemy. Have you forgotten the "Hostage Crisis"?
This 180° different from your contention that the USA wanted a Khomeini government in Iran.
Well, I think you are suggesting that if the CIA, US military government and Brits can't have it ALL their way 121% of the time, then they have no alternative but to cash in their chips and sit on the sidelines for a round or two of the great game. But I don't think it works that way. Imperialism and central planning is not as one dimensional as you're letting on here, imo. The US certainly did support the Shah's brutal dictatorship up to about 1978. The Carter administration also recommended that the Shah be replaced by the Ayatollah who was living in France at the time. The so-called Liberal Democrats in the U.S. have been just as supportive of militant Islam since the 1950s as the elephant party. Right wing extremists prefer dealing with other right wing fundamentalists not social democrats, and certainly not religious and political moderates as demonstrated by the the CIA-ISI-Saudi's Talibanization of Afghanistan and Pakistan since the 1980s. They have not succeeded in creating purely ideologically driven Islamic states in either country, or at least not yet. Not like Iran since Khomeini. The name of the Gladio game is democracy prevention, dirty tricks, assassinations and even election rigging where possible as usual. As Obama likes to say sometimes, everything is on the table when waging either covert or direct warfare on democracy around the world.
The whole world wants social democracy including hundreds of millions of human beans in Pakistan, India, Afghanistan, Iran etc, M. Most of them do not want militant Islam. I would think maybe 50% of them benig women are not wanting it and prolly more than we know. Who would want to impose such a violently misogynist, theocratic feudal ideology on hundreds of millions of people living there and in regions surrounding a vast oil basin in Central Asia? Tell us, please. And it's the imperialists' job to make sure that social democracy doesn't happen plain and simple. Democracy prevention is not rocket science. It's what they do, and they are damn good at it long time.
US Soldier Writes Report on the Disaster in Afghanistan
http://cryptogon.com/?p=27527
'Earlier this week, the New York Times published a bombshell piece about Lt Colonel Daniel Davis, a 17-year veteran recently returned from a second tour in Afghanistan. According to the Times, the 48-year-old Davis had written an 84 page unclassified report, as well as a classified report, offering his assessment of the decade-long war. Rolling Stone has now obtained a full copy.
We've decided to publish it in full..'
The PDF download is 82 pages long. I had to download it then read it. One of the parts near the very end which I agree with...
what possible sense could it make for anyone to imagine (whether Afghan or American) that in the event the Taliban were to one day return to power - who knowing they lost power because of a group who was only a guest of their country (and a component neither of their government nor governing worldview) - would have struggled for over a decade against the most powerful military alliance in the world to regain power, and expect they would then throw it all away by allowing international terrorist organizations to use territory they control for the purpose of plotting/planning future attacks against the United States of America? They would know (and do know) that should they ever again hold the reins of power in the open, they would be as surely
and easily destroyed by American cruise missile technology or B52 strikes. So why would they invite certain destruction on themselves by doing such a thing?Answer: they would not.
The Taliban has powerful incentive to either outright-reject al-Qaeda or keep them at arm's lengths. A 2011 report by the Center on International Cooperation out of New York suggests the Taliban are willing to make such guarantees. Further, consider another fact that should be blatantly evident to our senior policy-makers with regard to why al-Qaeda would even want to set up camp in Afghanistan again: global networking.
I don't care if the Taliban "re-take" Afghanistan... as long as the keep al-Qaeda out they can do whatever they want with the country.
Hired Gun for Garda: Disgraced Canadian Army Officer Resurfaces in Kabul
http://www.canada.com/news/Disgraced+Canadian+army+officer+resurfaces+Ka...
"Daniel Menard, the army general who resigned in disgrace before a military court heard he had 'an intimate personal relationship' with a lower ranked subordinate in Kandahar in 2010 has re-surfaced in Kabul. Multiple Canadian military sources in Kabul confirmed the former commander of Canada's combat mission in Kandahar was back in Afghanistan working as a private contractor for Garda World Security Corp, a Montreal-based security firm.
The firm has an office in Kabul's Green Village, a comfortable, heavily guarded, Western-style compound near the airport. It is mostly populated by former soldiers who work in Afghanistan as well paid private contractors. It is not known what Menard's exact duties are with GardaWorld in Afghanistan. The company which employs 45,000 workers in several related companies in Canada and around the globe, says on its website that it puts 'integrity first.'
It describes itself as a world leader in providing risk assessments, political risk analysis, route reconnaissance, close and force protection, site protection, security logistics, intelligence gathering and crisis management. Derek Burney, former chief of staff to prime minister Brian Mulroney and a former Canadian ambassador to Washington, is Chairman of GardaWorld's International Advisory Board."
Gladio Gang propping for their best friends forever, the Taliban, by burning Qurans Oops they did it again.
CIA's "former" proxies, the Taliban, poised to re-take power in Kabul, says U.S. Military Government Everything unfolding according to Mackinderan-Brzezinskian plan for the Stan, man.
Burning of Koran is 'America's Worst PR Disaster in Afghanistan' (and vid)
http://rt.com/news/burning-koran-worst-afghanistan-001/
"Seven people have been killed and dozens injured in protests over the burning of the Koran by US troops at an airbase in Afghanistan. An officer has apologized for the inadvertent burning. Yet some are saying apologies will not work here. The demonstrations have prompted the US to lock down its embassy in the capital Kabul and bar its staff from travelling..."
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