The Afghan People Will Win Part 25

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The Afghan People Will Win Part 25

Continued from here.

NDPP

IHT: Reconciliation Talks: US Duped by False Interlocutor in Talks, Says Taliban  -  by Naveed Hussain

http://tribune.com.pk/story/236229/reconciliation-talks-us-duped-by-fake...

"The Taliban have raised doubts about the identity of a key interlocutor that US government officials say they have engaged with in countries as far afield as Qatar and Germany, earlier this year.."

fooled/foiled again...

Hoodeet

Update from Asia Times on the fierce propaganda and the armed resistance:

(sorry - I was unable to paste the article here)

atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/MH25Df05.html      by Hamza Ameer.

Fidel

Darn! They'll just have to continue warfiteering in Afghanistan with no peace deal in sight for years to come. It's as if they want to be duped and taken in by their former right wing extremist proxies, the Taliban. If the U.S. Military and NATO love pretending and playing charades with anyone, it's another bunch of right wing extremists just like themselves and who were hand-in-glove with each other from 1992 to 2001.

Afghanistan: Failing War Breeds Poverty

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For the Taliban to have any relevance in post-occupation Afghanistan, they need to be perceived as having physically driven the invaders out. This gives the Taliban very little motive to make a deal with the Western powers that would allow the West to make a face-saving withdrawal - even if such a deal promised the Taliban considerable governmental power.

Bizarrely, negotiating such a deal is another pillar of Obama's strategy for a 2014 withdrawal.

The U.S. Military and NATO are working to legitimize the Taliban when they aren't funding and arming the Taliban, and they've openy admitted to that as well.

The west wants to deliver victory to the Taliban and make Taliban mullahs out to be the legitimate opposition to foreign military occupation, and never mind the other 80 pecent of the Afghan "insurgency". That is the plan. And the other other 80 percent or so can go to hell in a handbag for all the phony democratizers care about democracy. The general plan is for the large majority of Afghans to be on the losing end of any possible outcome. Meanwhile bloodlust for war and warfiteering, weapons dealing and drug trafficking reign merrily. Peace is just not profitable enough for principals on both sides of this dirty war.

NDPP

It Was NATO's Raid Not Afghans

http://pakobserver.net/detailnews.asp?id=111606

"[The] Attack from across the border in Chitral on Saturday once again highlighted the fact that some sinister campaign is in the offing to further pressure and destabilize Pakistan.."

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

From the above posted artical...

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The attack by about 300 armed men is being given a new colour that it was carried out by Afghan based militants but one thing is for certain that this was done by the backing of occupation forces in Afghanistan. NATO and US forces are deployed all along the border with Pakistan and with sophisticated intelligence gadgets, it is not possible for a big group of people to cross the Durand Line without their knowledge.

 

How ironic does that sound coming from the guys whom had Bin Laden living right under their noses for years 1/2 mile from their "West Point" military academy? Almost priceless really... they are totally underestimating the prowlness and capabilities of the Taliban.

Fidel

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:
How ironic does that sound coming from the guys whom had Bin Laden living right under their noses for years 1/2 mile from their "West Point" military academy? Almost priceless really...

They got Elvis bin Laden? Where is he, everywhere? Laughing

Some actual proof he was even alive might have been an excellent propaganda piece for the upcoming ten-year 9/11 anniversary celebrations. I mean, after they had a chance to question him about some details concerning al-Qa'eda and their agenda, of course. That information would be priceless to Uncle Sam's bin Laden unit, FBI, CIA etc hunting him since 9/11 etc, don't you think?

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He was alive right up till the time that Navy Seal shot him in the face...

Fidel

Your relentless faith in the gladio gang's fairy tales is quite impressive. Trust and obey, it's the only way. I mean what choice do you have, really? 

[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/rabblerabble/Capture-4.gif[/img]

Was it photoshop'd or no? bwahahaha

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Yeah as if you have room to talk.

NDPP

Whatever Happened to the Contempt Charges? What Happened to Release of Afghan Detainee Documents?

http://greenparty.ca/blog/emay

"Most disturbing to me was Baird's framing of the issue as the handling of 'Taliban prisoners'. Calvin's testimony had put it clearly in my mind that these were not enemy combatants. They were randomly snatched, men in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Then I learned that if Canada had thought the prisoners WERE Taliban, there was an entirely different process. Those detainees identified as possible Taliban were not turned over to Afghan authorities at all, they were delivered to US forces in Afghanistan.

By definition, handing Afghan detainees over to the local authorities for questioning meant we did not think they were Taliban.

So after more than 18 months of controversy, devastating allegations, a historic finding of contempt, the slate has been wiped clean by the election. The order for the production of documents passed by the House has ceased to exist. The Speaker's order is null and void, and while historic, is history.

As one journalist said to me 'Who will care now?' 'No one is going to request the production of the remaining documents now.'

To which I replied, 'I do and I will."

NDPP

COIN Failed to Deter Taliban  -  by Jean Mackenzie

http://ipolitics.ca/2011/09/03/jean-mackenzie-coin-failed-to-deter-taliban/

LONDON: "The bad news on Afghanistan is that the international intervention there is irretrievably lost. The only good news, perhaps, is that the world's attention has moved on. After 10 years of botched efforts in Afghanistan, almost nobody cares anymore..."

almost nobody ever did...

NDPP

Are The Taliban Winning?  - by Gareth Porter

http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/09/16/are-the-taliban-winning/

"In the wake of the latest attacks, the Taliban war narrative achieved a new level of influence.."

Frmrsldr

Rabbani assassinated:

John Glaser wrote:

Former Afghan President Burhanuddin Rabbani was assassinated on Tuesday by a suicide bomber with explosives hidden in his turban, according to Kabul police officals.

... Rabbani had been head of Afghanistan's high peace council which aimed at a political settlement to the war, although little progress had been made in the year since it had been formed...

... Rabbani's death is the latest in a series of high-profile assassinations in Afghanistan, after the mayor of Kandahar Ghulam Haidar Hamidi and President Hamid Karzai's half brother Wali Karzai. It is expected to further divide Afghanistan's troubled political leadership.

http://news.antiwar.com/2011/09/20/former-afghan-president-rabbani-assas...

NDPP

re peace talks - I guess they now have the Taliban's answer...

NDPP

http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/09/22/canadian-soldiers-fought-taliban...

"Canadian military trainers helped defend a NATO compound in Kabul last week when Taliban insurgents launched a dramatic attack against the US Embassy and surrounding neighbourhood that killed 16 Afghans and wounded dozens more..

This revelation, combined with the assertions from a senior military official on Thursday that the Canadian Forces considers the Afghan capital an 'extremely violent' environment has raised fresh questions about the risks Canadian soldiers are facing in what was originally billed a law risk, 'behind the wire' training mission.

In testimony to the defence committee on Thursday, Brig. Gen Craig King said there are currently 600 Canadian military trainers in the country, with that number expected to reach 950 by November. Canada is the second largest contributor to the NATO-led training mission after the US, he said..."

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[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0Bkg8zgoYQ]What is the true cost of the Afghanistan War?[/url] - a short YouTube video narrated by Tony Benn

Frmrsldr

NDPP wrote:

"Canadian military trainers helped defend a NATO compound in Kabul last week when Taliban insurgents launched a dramatic attack against the US Embassy and surrounding neighbourhood that killed 16 Afghans and wounded dozens more..

This revelation, combined with the assertions from a senior military official on Thursday that the Canadian Forces considers the Afghan capital an 'extremely violent' environment has raised fresh questions about the risks Canadian soldiers are facing in what was originally billed a law risk, 'behind the wire' training mission.

In testimony to the defence committee on Thursday, Brig. Gen Craig King said there are currently 600 Canadian military trainers in the country, with that number expected to reach 950 by November. Canada is the second largest contributor to the NATO-led training mission after the US, he said..."

Canada's soldiers DIED

Because Canadian politicians LIED*

*What "We support the Troops" really means.

NDPP

The History of the Haqqanis  -  by Shaukat Qadir

http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/09/29/the-history-of-the-haqqanis/

"When the US suffers a defeat in Afghanistan, it will need another scapegoat. I stated this nine years ago; I give yhou one guess which country is a made-to-order scapegoat here? Neither history, nor truth, nor realities are of any significance. All that matters is that there is a readymade scapegoat to be proven guilty by media trial and convicted for its defeat.

But Pakistan should be very proud. It has replaced the combined might of China and, the other erstwhile super-power, the USSR..."

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Ten years ago, on 8 October, the US imperialists launched a brazen military invasion of Afghanistan, in the name of waging a “war on terror”. In these last ten years, the land of the brave Afghan people has been trampled under the jackboots of the troops of the US imperialists and their allies. Their villages, towns, roads and even mountains have been bombed repeatedly. The aggression and occupation of Afghanistan was followed by the criminal bombing and imperialist conquest of Iraq in the name of destroying non-existent “weapons of mass destruction”. Over a million people in these two countries have been killed in this past decade in the name of fighting terrorism.

In keeping with their proud tradition of never bowing down before any invader, the people of Afghanistan have kept up a relentless resistance all these years.  As a result, the US imperialist-led occupation is in deep trouble. Opposition to the foreign forces is growing day by day....

The US led imperialist propaganda presents the invasion of Afghanistan 10 years ago as a reaction to the destruction of the World Trade Centre in New York on Sept 11, 2001.  However, the truth is that plans were afoot in Washington to invade Afghanistan months before the Sept 11 attack.  The truth about who actually organised the Sept 11 terrorist attack remains a mystery to this day; but what is clear is that it gave the US government precisely the excuse it needed to launch an all-out invasion of Afghanistan.

- [url=http://www.cgpi.org/mel/voice-party/1661-tenth-anniversary-invasio]Commu... Ghadar Party of India[/url]

Fidel

It's not a mystery. It's obvious who orchrestrated 9/11. The communists of Ghadar are simply choosing not to argue the point.

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To mark the tenth anniversary of the imperialist assault on Afghanistan, the U.K. Stop The War Coalition is holding a [url=http://www.antiwarassembly.org/]mass rally at noon today[/url] in Trafalgar Square. It will end with a march to 10 Downing Street, led by ex-soldiers and military families, to demand that the government bring the troops home from Afghanistan now.

Performers and speakers include Noam Chomsky, John Pilger, Jemima Khan, Lowkey, Billy Bragg, world renowned composer Howard Blake, Brian Eno, Julian Assange, Mark Steel, novelist Ahdaf Soueif, Unite general secretary Len McCluskey, actors Simon McBurney and Mark Rylance, Jeremy Corbyn MP, and many more.

Meanwhile, in Canada nothing is planned. Our "left" parliamentary politicians will remain silent, and the anniversary will pass unnoticed by Canadians.

Fidel

Frmrsldr wrote:
Canada's soldiers DIED

Because Canadian politicians LIED*

*What "We support the Troops" really means.

Exactly.

NDPP

Britons to Gov't: Finish Afghan Hell, Now! (vid)

http://rt.com/news/afghanistan-war-troops-uk-379/

"..John Hilary, executive director of War on Want, says a foreign aid crisis is unfolding now in Afghanistan and NATO is to blame.."

I see Canada's anti-war movement is again NOT out in force -  to mark this ten year Afghan war anniversary...

Fidel

NDPP wrote:

I see Canada's anti-war movement is again NOT out in force -  to mark this ten year Afghan war anniversary...

That's right. And too much of the left swallowed the 9/11 kool aid ten years ago. It's still a case that whatever crazy George II said at the time is fine with them. "Pious Muslims" are responsible for ten years of liquid global war. They have no proof positive of any of the hijackers identities, but they sure knew which countries needed bombing and occupying militarily. However, there are Canadians for 911 Truth. Not all Canadians and Americans were sucked in by crazy George II and his fascist minions. We didn't buy the US Government-sponsored lies about nurse "Nayirah", non-existent WMD or the one about Qaeda linked to Saddam, the Bush era junk science on climate change, or the 9/11 baloney. We came to the conclusion that they lied constantly to the public.

And how do we know they were lying? Whenever their lips moved, they were lying.

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Fidel wrote:

And too much of the left swallowed the 9/11 kool aid ten years ago. It's still a case that whatever crazy George II said at the time is fine with them. "Pious Muslims" are responsible for ten years of liquid global war. They have no proof positive of any of the hijackers identities, but they sure knew which countries needed bombing and occupying militarily.

You can stop this stupid slander of the Canadian left NOW.

To suggest that the left in Canada supports the war in Afghanistan is a filthy lie, promulgated to support your own paranoid fantasies. It's also incredibly hypocritical of you to slander the left on Afghanistan while always offering a raft of phony excuses for the NDP's repeated betrayals on this issue.

On a truly "progressive" discussion board you would not be allowed to spew this crap.

Fidel

M. Spector wrote:

Fidel wrote:

And too much of the left swallowed the 9/11 kool aid ten years ago. It's still a case that whatever crazy George II said at the time is fine with them. "Pious Muslims" are responsible for ten years of liquid global war. They have no proof positive of any of the hijackers identities, but they sure knew which countries needed bombing and occupying militarily.

You can stop this stupid slander of the Canadian left NOW.

To suggest that the left in Canada supports the war in Afghanistan is a filthy lie, promulgated to support your own paranoid fantasies. It's also incredibly hypocritical of you to slander the left on Afghanistan while always offering a raft of phony excuses for the NDP's repeated betrayals on this issue.

 

It's simple, provide all of us on the left with proof that loco George II and long-time embedded war bureaucrats Dick Cheney and Donald the Don Rumsfeld told you the truth about 9/11 when they testified not under oath, off the record, behind closed doors and in complete secrecy from public scrutiny. 

Prove to those of us on the progressive left that Elvis bin Laden situated half way around the world on dialysis, and using only a laptop and a cell phone orchestrated the demolition of three buildings with two hijacked planes, while in Washington a poorly trained Cessna pilot grabbed control of a 757 before flying it into an 8000 foot descending corkscrew combat maneuver to perfectly level with ground trajectory and taking out the same Pentagon Department charged with accounting for the missing $2 trillion dollars in taxpayer spending on all things war and US government-sponsored global terrorism.

What they have on the alleged hijackers is nothing but a lot of circumstantial evidence. Those of us on the progressive left have a right not to believe that 19 "pious Muslims" who like to snort coke and live with pink-haired strippers had anything to do with 9/11. In fact, we think it our duty to question this highly suspect US Govt narrative. The alleged terrorists might be executed on circumstantial evidence in some countries, but not here in Canada. And if you are really a progressive person, you would not be nodding your head up and down in rapid agreement with Murder Inc and their bullshit 9/11 fairy tale. We don't hang people on circumstantial evidence or on evidence extracted by torture. You might agree with that, but not those of us on the progressive left anti-war movement. Circumstantial evidence extracted by torture is worthless as far as every progressive person I know is concerned. You have no proof, and neither do the real terrorists responsible for orchestrating 9/11.

Prove to us on the progressive left that the imperialists' own "blowback" theory has any merit whatsoever. 

In fact, I'd suggest that you stop confusing yourself with those of us on the progressive left and the anti-war movement altogether from now on, because it's difficult to  listen to the paroting of right wing narrative emanating from Warshington, Ottawa, and their Al-CIA'duh associates in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Egypt who are in all probability still sliding in and out of the U.S. and Canada with the same diplomatic immunity guaranteed them by cold warriors since the 1980s and 90s. It might even be time for those on the weak left to cash-in their progressive anti-war membership cards and slide over to the other side of the line where they belong, bashing the NDP and attempting to insulate the right from any and all blame for what is a situation of liquid global war and state-sponsored terrorism.

M. Spector wrote:
On a truly "progressive" discussion board you would not be allowed to spew this crap.

Yeah we know. When filled with overwhelming doubt about everything from the parade of US Government lies about 9/11 to cell phone safety, always-always err on the side of the warfiteering industrial complex and the corporatocracy in general. 

NDPP

Afghanistan: Ten Years of Aimless War  -  by Eric Margolis

http://informationclearinghouse.info/article29339.htm

"After ten years of war costing at least $450 billion, 1,600 dead and 15,000 seriously wounded soldiers, the US has achieved none of its strategic or desired goals..."

Fidel

Eric Margolis wrote:
Worse, US-run Afghanistan now produces 93% of the world's most dangerous narcotic, heroin. Under Taliban, drug production virtually ended, according to the UN. Today, the Afghan drug business is booming. The US tries to blame Taliban; but the real culprits are high government officials in Kabul and US-backed warlords.

A senior UN drug official recently asserted that Afghan heroin killed 10,000 people in NATO countries last year. And this does not include Russia, a primary destination for Afghan heroin.

So the United States is now the proud owner of the world's leading narco-state and deeply involved with the Afghan Tajik drug mafia.

One thing about corporate welfare and military-industrialism - it never does make fiscal sense, and it's never designed to. This is a problem when a relative few thousand or so people own government and are basically heading up a centrally planned economy. What's wrong in all of the English-speaking countries is a lack of democracy in general.

Margolis is right about propping-up drug barons in Afghanistan. The CIA admitted to doing just that since the 1980s. Their thought on the matter was to ask what was more important, defeating communism or creating "a few stirred up Muslims?", as the very racist Zbigniew Brzezinski said about it after the damage was done.

The CIA has taken over from the Brits as drug dealing pirates roaming the seven seas and secret plane services hopping continents with torture flights and cargos of illicit drugs. The CIA have become the world's biggest dope delivery service according to some historians. Like the Brits subjugated millions in China with opium, so is a rogue wing of the CIA dealing drugs in Central Asia as they have since just after WW II in places like Burma and their French connections in Marseille and later the Goldren triangle in South-East Asia, and then Haiti, Colombia, Mexico, Afghanistan, Kosovo, Albania etc. A lot of the drug money ends up being laundered in London and through Wall Street banks. This is another side of capitalism that is not make public as a rule.

ETA: I'm not so sure opium production was ended under the Taliban. By what I've read, they only reduced the supply thereby driving up the price of Afghan 'product'. The Taliban are actually very good capitalists and know all about maintaining secret stockpiles for rainy days. Capitalism is all about controlling supplies and creating false shortages. Afghan drug lords and later, the Taliban, were propped-up by many millions of US tax dollars in the 1980s and 90s to 2001. They know all about controlling supply and manipulating "the market."

Which is worth more: an Air America plane load of tomotoes and rice, or an Air America shitload of heroin?

NDPP

Julian Assange: 'Journalists are War Criminals' (and vid)

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/312524

"The event was an anti-war assembly commemorating the ten year anniversary of the Afghan War.."

like the one that Canada's anti-war movement didn't have here

Fidel

Ten years? Someone should ask Assange what happened 10 years ago that started all of this?

Because we are supposed to believe that those who fought for the CIA in Afghanistan suddenly decided they wanted out of the Gladio mafia and turned on their NATO bosses. Yes, even violent misogynists, drug barons and the most ruthless of warlords, Elvis bin Laden etc are capable of having social consciences and keen senses of social justice. Those poor Palestinians. The infidels would have to pay for it on 9/11/01. This is what the so-called left has been reduced to believing, sad but true.

NDPP

Afghanistan Officials 'Systematically Tortured' Detainees Says UN Report

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/10/afghanistan-torture?newsfeed...

"Interviews with 379 people held by police and intelligence services describe beatings, removing toenails and electric shocks. Detainees told UN investigators that tortures included being hung by wrists to walls and ceilings, beatings, usually with rubber hoses and electric cables, twisting and wrenching of genitals, removal of toenails, threats of sexual abuse and electric shocks. It said blindfolding and hooding of detainees was common as well as the denial of medical care.

Some of the worst and most common allegations of torture were at the national directorate of Security's Kabul facility, known as department 90. 'THere is so much beating at 90 that people call it 'hell', one interviewee told the UN.

Five out of six teenage boys held in department 90 and interviewed by the UN said there were abused. At an NDP facility in Kandahar, one detainee reported he was threatened with having a wooden stick with chili powder stuck up his rectum..."

Setting The Record Straight on the War in Afghanistan - by Lawrence Martin

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/opinion/setting-the-record-...

"...When it was clear the war rationale of fighting terrorism wasn't working, we find out how the Conservatives decided to try to sell the war on the basis of it being a humanitarian mission.

The fighting for Canadians is over now. Only peacekeepers and trainers remain. What also remains is a lot of spin to the effect that our mission succeeded. In 'The Savage War' there's a far different story."

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NDPP wrote:

Afghanistan Officials 'Systematically Tortured' Detainees Says UN Report

[url=http://unama.unmissions.org/Portals/UNAMA/Documents/October10_%202011_UN...'s a link to the UN Report[/url] (84pp., .pdf file)

And the war criminals in Ottawa are still trying to pretend that none of the detainees handed over to Afghan authorities were tortured. We'll never get the incriminating documents released because the opposition capitulated to the Conservatives even after the latter had been found in contempt of Parliament.

But Amnesty International is [url=http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/World/20111011/amnesty-demands-canada-act-on-a... to keep the issue alive[/url], even if the politicians want to bury it:

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Amnesty International is demanding that Canada check on the welfare of the prisoners it handed over to Afghan authorities, even though the Canadian combat mission in Afghanistan has ended.

The demand comes in the wake of a blistering United Nations report that documents the torture of suspected Taliban fighters in Afghan jails.

An Amnesty letter to Defence Minister Peter MacKay, obtained by The Canadian Press, warned that Ottawa's obligations under international law have not ceased just because troops are no longer capturing insurgents in the field....

[Canadian] operations went on right up until the changeover and Canadian soldiers continued to turn prisoners over to local authorities, including the notorious National Directorate of Security, the Afghan intelligence agency named in the UN report.

"Given the widespread nature of these reports, it is likely that some of the prisoners alleging abuse were transferred by the Canadian Forces," wrote Paul Champ, the lawyer for the human rights group.

"Canada must immediately take action to confirm the physical condition of every individual transferred by the Canadian Forces to Afghan authorities."...

"Canada must ensure that independent and competent investigations of these allegations are carried out, with charges and prosecution where appropriate. Unfortunately, there is no evidence that Afghanistan has properly investigated past allegations of abuse."

A complaint from Amnesty and the B.C. Civil Liberties Association started a public inquiry by the Military Police Complaints Commission into the transfer of suspected insurgents by Canadian soldiers. The watchdog agency has yet to finalize its report into the question of whether military police knew, or should have known, about alleged torture.

Handing over prisoners to torture is a violation of international law.

The UN report, released Monday, painted a stark, alarming picture of systemic torture within the Afghan justice system. It fingered the country's brutal and corrupt police force as well as the intelligence service.

The report found evidence of a compelling pattern and practice of torture and ill-treatment among those detained by the intelligence service....

Throughout the public hearings by the complaints commission, Canadian officials insisted there was no solid evidence of abuse.

Fidel

But your all-powerful Bay St Government closed down Parliament because they were cowering from the NDP's calls for transparency and accountability on torture and kissing Uncle Sam's fat ass in general.

They sure as hell didn't close down Parliament twice and on the lam from the very compliant with torture Liebranos Party of Bananada, that's for sure.

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Fidel wrote:

But your all-powerful Bay St Government closed down Parliament because they were cowering from the NDP's calls for transparency and accountability on torture and kissing Uncle Sam's fat ass in general.

Too bad that after Parliament reopened again and the Speaker declared the government to be in contempt of Parliament if they didn't hand over the torture files the NDP joined with the Liberals and Bloc in accepting a phony "compromise" (the so-called "panel of experts", remember?) that ended up killing the issue and suppressing the facts. And all because the three opizishin parties [url=http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/murray-dobbin/2010/05/liberals-have-sabo... cowering at the prospect of an election[/url]!

NDPP

Afghanistan: Ten Years of Illegal Occupation (and vid)

http://tv.globalresearch.ca/2011/10/afghanistan-ten-years-illegal-occupa...

October 7 marked the ten year anniversary of the commencement of NATO operations in Afghanistan. Although the impending illegal invasion of Iraq in 2003 was enough to drive millions of people worldwide into the streets in protest, there has never been the same widespread resistance to the Afghan war.

In allowing this invasion to go forward and mounting no significant opposition or resistance to the operation itself, the public has effectively allowed the war criminals to set a series of disturbing precedents, which future political leaders have used and will continue to use, to wage their own wars of conquest.."

like Libya - unprotested and unopposed here.

Rikardo

For a rare moment I was proud of Canada when on the UN Afghanistan Mission (war) webpage I saw all the little flags of the participating countries and there was Canada with Holland as the only two who've retired.  I know we've still got advisors there but that was there for the Terry Glavins and the many humanitarian warriers who didn't want the 'mission' to end until all the girls were in schools and without veils.  I'm sick of hearing this called 'Harper's War'  It was Chrétien and Martin's war and after two House of Commons extensions, we're out.  As Harper said in New York, You can't impose a government in Afgha nistan.  I'm proud.

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And I'm sure Herr Harper is proud of you in return.

Rikardo

So Harper is Hitler.  With opponents like you no wonder the Conservatives increased their share of the vote in May

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I'm flattered that you think Canadians went to the polls to vote for your friend Harper just to spite me personally.

Rikardo

Harper is not my 'friend' and you are not responsible for his re-election. But the Liberals got us into Afghanistan and now most of  our forces are leaving (like Holland).   I'll give you the last word.  I've got better things to do.

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Gotta get out there and find another country to invade with our new attack jets, new frigates, and newly-refurbished LAV-IIIs. Oh wait - I forgot. The Conservatives are the peace party and the Liberals are the war party. Silly me.

Speaking of silly, how am I not responsible for Harper's re-election given that with opponents like me it's no wonder the Conservatives increased their share of the vote in May? 

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Rikardo wrote:

So Harper is Hitler.  With opponents like you and your kind no wonder the Conservatives increased their share of the vote in May

There, I fixed it for you...Wink

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That doesn't solve Rikky Rikardo's logical contradiction.

If I'm "not responsible" for Harper's re-election, as he maintains, then neither are "my kind". And yet it is proposed that Harper's increased share of the vote is a result of his having opponents like "me and my kind". 

Surely if we were the cause, then we were responsible for the result.

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Sounds good to me. Harper won becouse more people voted for him (than your guy).

 

Why was that?

Gaian

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Sounds good to me. Harper won becouse more people voted for him (than your guy).

 

Why was that?

You should not pose that question hereabouts, BDC. It will only lead to the denunciation of social democrats. You must be very specific, ie. what would it take to have mainstreet come to some understanding of the realities of their world ? Stick to the institutions that we have to live with, have grown up with, have watched grow and corrupt over time. :)

Gaian

Rikardo wrote:

For a rare moment I was proud of Canada when on the UN Afghanistan Mission (war) webpage I saw all the little flags of the participating countries and there was Canada with Holland as the only two who've retired.  I know we've still got advisors there but that was there for the Terry Glavins and the many humanitarian warriers who didn't want the 'mission' to end until all the girls were in schools and without veils.  I'm sick of hearing this called 'Harper's War'  It was Chrétien and Martin's war and after two House of Commons extensions, we're out.  As Harper said in New York, You can't impose a government in Afgha nistan.  I'm proud.

Graeme Smith of the Globe exposed Harper and crew for the lying bastards they are when he pointed to the torture of detainees handed over by Canadian troops.

That practice by the Afghan military police has now been confirmed.

You are a little bit proudD of the fine example set by Canadians over there? Or do you not read anything beyond the Conservative propaganda machine's output?

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Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Sounds good to me. Harper won becouse more people voted for him (than your guy).

Why was that?

Rikardo's theory is that his favourite party not only "won" but "increased their share of the vote", and there was "no wonder" that this happened "with opponents like you [i.e. me]" - and, if we accept your amendment, "opponents like me and my kind".

It seems obvious to me he's saying the new voter support for the incumbent party was the result of my using the German word for "Mr." before the revered leader's surname. But when challenged on this, he backed off and said I wasn't responsible for it after all. Then he ran away before I could get him to present a different theory for Harper's increased success - one that didn't involve making me (and my kind) "responsible" for it. So I guess we'll never know why Harper's vote increased in May, 2011!

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Gaian wrote:
Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

Sounds good to me. Harper won becouse more people voted for him (than your guy).

 

Why was that?

You should not pose that question hereabouts, BDC. It will only lead to the denunciation of social democrats. You must be very specific, ie. what would it take to have mainstreet come to some understanding of the realities of their world ? Stick to the institutions that we have to live with, have grown up with, have watched grow and corrupt over time. :)

Sorry I'm in the USA... I know pretty much nothing about Canadian politics.

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

 

Ok I get that, so were you trying to insinuate Harper was like Hitler?

 

By the way I wasn't "arguing" anything here; I just corrected the vocabulary of his sentence.

Gaian

Bec.De.Corbin wrote:

 

Ok I get that, so were you trying to insinuate Harper was like Hitler?

 

By the way I wasn't "arguing" anything here; I just corrected the vocabulary of his sentence.

No apology or explanation needed for me, BDC. Anyone with your progressive views that can live in Texas is one I salute. An old (or young) Johnsonian Democrat. Damn, those were the days.

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