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So I guess the USA supported Fidel Casto's take over in Cuba then, right?
Fidel played a cool hand during his visit to the states in 1959. He was wildly popular as far the Americans were concerned. Only when Fidel began speaking of expropriating land and giving it to Cubans and needing money for poverty relief did Nixon realize Fidel wasn't someone they could control. Tricky Dick told Eisenhower that Fidel was a communist and that they couldn't work with him. Fidel approached the Americanos at first and not the Soviets. And when Washington turned their backs on Fidel, Fidel went to those who would help Cuba.
In Afghanistan it's been a similar story. The CIA, Brits and Saudis etc bypassed moderates in Afghanistan in favour of right wing extremists, like Hekmatyar, Rabbani etc. Only the most ruthless would do and preferably those who had little support from Afghan people themselves. This was the CIA's insurance that they could be controlled from Washington with taxpayer dollars and weapons shipments as they waged anticommunist jihad in Central Asia. Of course, they did have some cleanup work to do with Ahmed Shah Massood, the "lion of Panjsir" when he declared war on the Taliban in 1992. Massood had switched sides to the SCO alliance by that time. And by 1992 the CIA had allegedly broken covert ties with the militant Islamic terror network. And it was a lie. "Blowback" is an imperialist lie.
Well, I think you are suggesting that if the CIA, US military government and Brits can't have it ALL their way 121% of the time, then they have no alternative but to cash in their chips and sit on the sidelines for a round or two of the great game. But I don't think it works that way. Imperialism and central planning is not as one dimensional as you're letting on here, imo. The US certainly did support the Shah's brutal dictatorship up to about 1978. The Carter administration also recommended that the Shah be replaced by the Ayatollah who was living in France at the time. The so-called Liberal Democrats in the U.S. have been just as supportive of militant Islam since the 1950s as the elephant party. Right wing extremists prefer dealing with other right wing fundamentalists not social democrats, and certainly not religious and political moderates as demonstrated by the the CIA-ISI-Saudi's Talibanization of Afghanistan and Pakistan since the 1980s. They have not succeeded in creating purely ideologically driven Islamic states in either country, or at least not yet. Not like Iran since Khomeini. The name of the Gladio game is democracy prevention, dirty tricks, assassinations and even election rigging where possible as usual. As Obama likes to say sometimes, everything is on the table when waging either covert or direct warfare on democracy around the world.
The whole world wants social democracy including hundreds of millions of human beans in Pakistan, India, Afghanistan, Iran etc, M. Most of them do not want militant Islam. I would think maybe 50% of them benig women are not wanting it and prolly more than we know. Who would want to impose such a violently misogynist, theocratic feudal ideology on hundreds of millions of people living there and in regions surrounding a vast oil basin in Central Asia? Tell us, please. And it's the imperialists' job to make sure that social democracy doesn't happen plain and simple. Democracy prevention is not rocket science. It's what they do, and they are damn good at it long time.
'Earlier this week, the New York Times published a bombshell piece about Lt Colonel Daniel Davis, a 17-year veteran recently returned from a second tour in Afghanistan. According to the Times, the 48-year-old Davis had written an 84 page unclassified report, as well as a classified report, offering his assessment of the decade-long war. Rolling Stone has now obtained a full copy.
The PDF download is 82 pages long. I had to download it then read it. One of the parts near the very end which I agree with...
Quote:
I know ask what ought to be a rhetorical question but must regrettably be raised as an actual question:
what possible sense could it make for anyone to imagine (whether Afghan or American) that in the event the Taliban were to one day return to power - who knowing they lost power because of a group who was only a guest of their country (and a component neither of their government nor governing worldview) - would have struggled for over a decade against the most powerful military alliance in the world to regain power, and expect they would then throw it all away by allowing international terrorist organizations to use territory they control for the purpose of plotting/planning future attacks against the United States of America? They would know (and do know) that should they ever again hold the reins of power in the open, they would be as surely
and easily destroyed by American cruise missile technology or B52 strikes. So why would they invite certain destruction on themselves by doing such a thing?
Answer: they would not.
The Taliban has powerful incentive to either outright-reject al-Qaeda or keep them at arm's lengths. A 2011 report by the Center on International Cooperation out of New York suggests the Taliban are willing to make such guarantees. Further, consider another fact that should be blatantly evident to our senior policy-makers with regard to why al-Qaeda would even want to set up camp in Afghanistan again: global networking.
I don't care if the Taliban "re-take" Afghanistan... as long as the keep al-Qaeda out they can do whatever they want with the country.
"Daniel Menard, the army general who resigned in disgrace before a military court heard he had 'an intimate personal relationship' with a lower ranked subordinate in Kandahar in 2010 has re-surfaced in Kabul. Multiple Canadian military sources in Kabul confirmed the former commander of Canada's combat mission in Kandahar was back in Afghanistan working as a private contractor for Garda World Security Corp, a Montreal-based security firm.
The firm has an office in Kabul's Green Village, a comfortable, heavily guarded, Western-style compound near the airport. It is mostly populated by former soldiers who work in Afghanistan as well paid private contractors. It is not known what Menard's exact duties are with GardaWorld in Afghanistan. The company which employs 45,000 workers in several related companies in Canada and around the globe, says on its website that it puts 'integrity first.'
It describes itself as a world leader in providing risk assessments, political risk analysis, route reconnaissance, close and force protection, site protection, security logistics, intelligence gathering and crisis management. Derek Burney, former chief of staff to prime minister Brian Mulroney and a former Canadian ambassador to Washington, is Chairman of GardaWorld's International Advisory Board."
"Seven people have been killed and dozens injured in protests over the burning of the Koran by US troops at an airbase in Afghanistan. An officer has apologized for the inadvertent burning. Yet some are saying apologies will not work here. The demonstrations have prompted the US to lock down its embassy in the capital Kabul and bar its staff from travelling..."
Fidel played a cool hand during his visit to the states in 1959. He was wildly popular as far the Americans were concerned. Only when Fidel began speaking of expropriating land and giving it to Cubans and needing money for poverty relief did Nixon realize Fidel wasn't someone they could control. Tricky Dick told Eisenhower that Fidel was a communist and that they couldn't work with him. Fidel approached the Americanos at first and not the Soviets. And when Washington turned their backs on Fidel, Fidel went to those who would help Cuba.
In Afghanistan it's been a similar story. The CIA, Brits and Saudis etc bypassed moderates in Afghanistan in favour of right wing extremists, like Hekmatyar, Rabbani etc. Only the most ruthless would do and preferably those who had little support from Afghan people themselves. This was the CIA's insurance that they could be controlled from Washington with taxpayer dollars and weapons shipments as they waged anticommunist jihad in Central Asia. Of course, they did have some cleanup work to do with Ahmed Shah Massood, the "lion of Panjsir" when he declared war on the Taliban in 1992. Massood had switched sides to the SCO alliance by that time. And by 1992 the CIA had allegedly broken covert ties with the militant Islamic terror network. And it was a lie. "Blowback" is an imperialist lie.
What changed, obviously, is that instead of Iran being a great ally of the USA, it became a hated enemy. Have you forgotten the "Hostage Crisis"?
This 180° different from your contention that the USA wanted a Khomeini government in Iran.
Well, I think you are suggesting that if the CIA, US military government and Brits can't have it ALL their way 121% of the time, then they have no alternative but to cash in their chips and sit on the sidelines for a round or two of the great game. But I don't think it works that way. Imperialism and central planning is not as one dimensional as you're letting on here, imo. The US certainly did support the Shah's brutal dictatorship up to about 1978. The Carter administration also recommended that the Shah be replaced by the Ayatollah who was living in France at the time. The so-called Liberal Democrats in the U.S. have been just as supportive of militant Islam since the 1950s as the elephant party. Right wing extremists prefer dealing with other right wing fundamentalists not social democrats, and certainly not religious and political moderates as demonstrated by the the CIA-ISI-Saudi's Talibanization of Afghanistan and Pakistan since the 1980s. They have not succeeded in creating purely ideologically driven Islamic states in either country, or at least not yet. Not like Iran since Khomeini. The name of the Gladio game is democracy prevention, dirty tricks, assassinations and even election rigging where possible as usual. As Obama likes to say sometimes, everything is on the table when waging either covert or direct warfare on democracy around the world.
The whole world wants social democracy including hundreds of millions of human beans in Pakistan, India, Afghanistan, Iran etc, M. Most of them do not want militant Islam. I would think maybe 50% of them benig women are not wanting it and prolly more than we know. Who would want to impose such a violently misogynist, theocratic feudal ideology on hundreds of millions of people living there and in regions surrounding a vast oil basin in Central Asia? Tell us, please. And it's the imperialists' job to make sure that social democracy doesn't happen plain and simple. Democracy prevention is not rocket science. It's what they do, and they are damn good at it long time.
US Soldier Writes Report on the Disaster in Afghanistan
http://cryptogon.com/?p=27527
'Earlier this week, the New York Times published a bombshell piece about Lt Colonel Daniel Davis, a 17-year veteran recently returned from a second tour in Afghanistan. According to the Times, the 48-year-old Davis had written an 84 page unclassified report, as well as a classified report, offering his assessment of the decade-long war. Rolling Stone has now obtained a full copy.
We've decided to publish it in full..'
The PDF download is 82 pages long. I had to download it then read it. One of the parts near the very end which I agree with...
I don't care if the Taliban "re-take" Afghanistan... as long as the keep al-Qaeda out they can do whatever they want with the country.
Hired Gun for Garda: Disgraced Canadian Army Officer Resurfaces in Kabul
http://www.canada.com/news/Disgraced+Canadian+army+officer+resurfaces+Ka...
"Daniel Menard, the army general who resigned in disgrace before a military court heard he had 'an intimate personal relationship' with a lower ranked subordinate in Kandahar in 2010 has re-surfaced in Kabul. Multiple Canadian military sources in Kabul confirmed the former commander of Canada's combat mission in Kandahar was back in Afghanistan working as a private contractor for Garda World Security Corp, a Montreal-based security firm.
The firm has an office in Kabul's Green Village, a comfortable, heavily guarded, Western-style compound near the airport. It is mostly populated by former soldiers who work in Afghanistan as well paid private contractors. It is not known what Menard's exact duties are with GardaWorld in Afghanistan. The company which employs 45,000 workers in several related companies in Canada and around the globe, says on its website that it puts 'integrity first.'
It describes itself as a world leader in providing risk assessments, political risk analysis, route reconnaissance, close and force protection, site protection, security logistics, intelligence gathering and crisis management. Derek Burney, former chief of staff to prime minister Brian Mulroney and a former Canadian ambassador to Washington, is Chairman of GardaWorld's International Advisory Board."
Gladio Gang propping for their best friends forever, the Taliban, by burning Qurans Oops they did it again.
CIA's "former" proxies, the Taliban, poised to re-take power in Kabul, says U.S. Military Government Everything unfolding according to Mackinderan-Brzezinskian plan for the Stan, man.
Burning of Koran is 'America's Worst PR Disaster in Afghanistan' (and vid)
http://rt.com/news/burning-koran-worst-afghanistan-001/
"Seven people have been killed and dozens injured in protests over the burning of the Koran by US troops at an airbase in Afghanistan. An officer has apologized for the inadvertent burning. Yet some are saying apologies will not work here. The demonstrations have prompted the US to lock down its embassy in the capital Kabul and bar its staff from travelling..."
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