Al Franken needs to resign sooner rather than later

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Al Franken needs to resign sooner rather than later

Here we go again!

Woman says Franken inappropriately touched her in 2010

 

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/20/politics/al-franken-inappropriate-touch-20...

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Democrats Missed A Chance To Draw A Line In The Sand On Sexual Misconduct

 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/democrats-missed-a-chance-to-draw-a...

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I don't completely agree. His accuser (unlike other accusers coming forward in the Moore and celebrity cases) is a talk radio host. I think it's very possible that she has a political axe to grind.

It very well may be a deliberate distraction from the right to discredit Democrats to shield their own molesters from the news lines.  

We'll see as all this unfolds in the near and far future.

NorthReport

What about the second accuser?

How many accusers will it take 5, 10, 25, before men start to believe the first woman who makes a complaint!

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Geez, what about whichever one was in the photograph where he's grabbing her breasts??

NorthReport

Good - this is the beginning of the end for Franken

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/19/politics/mark-twain-prize-al-franken/index.html

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Mr. Magoo wrote:

Geez, what about whichever one was in the photograph where he's grabbing her breasts??

He wasn't grabbing her breasts. The picture shows him  mockingly grabbing her breasts. No contact in the picture. Stupid move but not blatant sexual assault. Unlike Roy Moore wjho stalked teens in malls. And when confronted,he made no denial. Even going as far as saying he always asked their mothers for permission.

Apples and oranges. I haven't heard about a second accuser for Franken so I can't comment about that. But the first accvuser is a talk radio host. Talk radio,especially in the US, is rabidly right wing. This is the only reason why I have my doubts about her accusation and her motivations.

If Franken really is guilty he should resign. Having said that,so should Moore who definitely won't resign or step down and will probably be elected regardless of being a teenage stalker and ,in the real world,a molester. 

By the way,people have short memories. Donald Trump is a serial sexual assaulting pig. Why hasn't he been forced to step down?

NorthReport

I don’t agree 

Franken is in the wrong place at the wrong time

https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-columnists/should-al-franken-resign-is-the-wrong-question

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He wasn't grabbing her breasts. The picture shows him  mockingly grabbing her breasts. No contact in the picture. Stupid move but not blatant sexual assault.

Well, I guess maybe they're 1/16 of an inch above them.  How many angels could dance in that space?

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This is another factor of my skepticism. I read it was staged. Franken is a comedian. Was the picture funny? No. But if it was staged,it backs up my skepticism about this woman's motives.

Moore and Trump are ADMITTED sexual predators. They are not comedians.

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This is another factor of my skepticism. I read it was staged. Franken is a comedian. Was the picture funny? No. But if it was staged,it backs up my skepticism about this woman's motives.

Well, I'll admit that when I saw the Snopes link you posted, I thought "ruh roh, I guess I got the wrong end of this".   They're good at debunking nonsense.

Except, did you READ the link you posted?  Snopes isn't saying the photo was staged.

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The person who took the picture of Al Franken and Leeann Tweeden has not been identified, nor have they issued a statement regarding the incident. Which means there is no credible claim the image was staged, that Tweeden was “playing dead,” or that “she wanted him to ‘revive’ her” in the picture.

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Mr. Magoo wrote:

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This is another factor of my skepticism. I read it was staged. Franken is a comedian. Was the picture funny? No. But if it was staged,it backs up my skepticism about this woman's motives.

Well, I'll admit that when I saw the Snopes link you posted, I thought "ruh roh, I guess I got the wrong end of this".   They're good at debunking nonsense.

Except, did you READ the link you posted?  Snopes isn't saying the photo was staged.

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The person who took the picture of Al Franken and Leeann Tweeden has not been identified, nor have they issued a statement regarding the incident. Which means there is no credible claim the image was staged, that Tweeden was “playing dead,” or that “she wanted him to ‘revive’ her” in the picture.

It was the second time I had read or it has been suggested that the photo was staged. Where there's smoke there's fire on both sides of this. Was he trying to be funny for the camera? Was she in on the 'joke'? Those are good questions.

He's looking right into the camera. If he was being serious in grabbing her I can't think he'd be that stupid to do it in front of a camera,looking right into the lens.

Or perhaps he is that stupid. I don't know,I never met the man.

Comedy can be crass so it's not out of the realm of possibility that he was trying to be funny. If he was,he failed. And if he was,sexual assault is a serious charge. Stupidity doesn't always equal guilt.

But like I said,if he's truly guilty of this,he needs to resign ASAP.

In the meantime,I'll wait for Moore and Trump to do the same.

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He's looking right into the camera. If he was being serious in grabbing her I can't think he'd be that stupid to do it in front of a camera,looking right into the lens.

Because he didn't understand.  When people think what they're doing is OK they don't put a bag over their head.

Check this shit out, yo!

Important to note:  I don't think he's doing it for some free breast feelies, or for personal gratification.  I think he's doing it because he thought it was OK, and funny.  And for whatever it's worth, I liked Franken back when he was half of "Franken and Davis" on SNL, so I'm just kind of sad that he had to turn out to be "that guy".

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I wonder which will come first.  Hollywood celebrities clean up their act or Americans stop voting for celebrities to run their country.

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Rev Pesky

From Mr. Magoo:

Well, I guess maybe they're 1/16 of an inch above them.  How many angels could dance in that space?

Actually she's wearing a flak vest. If Franken wanted to touch her breasts his hands would have had to be under that vest. 

Cody87

Rev Pesky wrote:

From Mr. Magoo:

Well, I guess maybe they're 1/16 of an inch above them.  How many angels could dance in that space?

Actually she's wearing a flak vest. If Franken wanted to touch her breasts his hands would have had to be under that vest. 

=O

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Mr. Magoo wrote:

 

Because he didn't understand.  When people think what they're doing is OK they don't put a bag over their head.

Check this shit out, yo!

 

You can't possibly compare what Franken did with the picture you provided.

He very well could have meant he was being funny,even if it's not funny.  The picture you posted was blatant abuse and interestingly enough,no punishment was doled out,no one resigned and no one lost their job. The Gitmo pictures were sickening,the Franken photo was bad taste.

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The picture you posted was blatant abuse and interestingly enough,no punishment was doled out,no one resigned and no one lost their job.

Really?

I'm pretty sure that the soldier having a laugh there lost her job.  And was court-martialed and served time.

Anyway, my point wasn't that Al Franken is exactly the same as Lynndie England.  My point was that just because someone mugs for the camera doesn't mean they're not doing something wrong.  Whether or not they think it's funny is kind of immaterial.

Pondering

alan smithee wrote:
 He wasn't grabbing her breasts. The picture shows him  mockingly grabbing her breasts. No contact in the picture. Stupid move but not blatant sexual assault.

He also kissed her and she didn't see the photograph until she got home. It was on a CD the photographer gave her. Think of the context. This wasn't a frat party. Can you honestly say this is something that would occur to you to do as a joke? To a co-worker? There is a mentality of entitlement.

alan smithee wrote:
Apples and oranges. I haven't heard about a second accuser for Franken so I can't comment about that. But the first accvuser is a talk radio host. Talk radio,especially in the US, is rabidly right wing. This is the only reason why I have my doubts about her accusation and her motivations. 

To my ears that is just another excuse like "the way she was dressed" or "flirting" or drunk or wants revenge or attention. It is not fun for women to accuse a man of inappropriate behavior. It's intimidating, embarassing, humiliating. You know people will look for mitigating factors to diminish what happened. The evidence has to be overwhelming.

There is a second accuser now.

 

voice of the damned

Cody87 wrote:

Rev Pesky wrote:

From Mr. Magoo:

Well, I guess maybe they're 1/16 of an inch above them.  How many angels could dance in that space?

Actually she's wearing a flak vest. If Franken wanted to touch her breasts his hands would have had to be under that vest. 

=O

Well. let's put it this way. If I saw a woman wearing one of those vests, and I wanted to continue maintaining my reputation for being at least a halfway decent human being, I wouldn't do what Franken did in that picture.

As for the woman just being part of some talk radio conspiracy to get Franken, is the allegation that the photo is a hoax? I don't think it is, because Franken himself admits that it is real.  

 

josh

There should be a line drawn as to what is resignation worthy, and what is not.  I'm just not entirely sure where to draw it.

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Pondering wrote:

alan smithee wrote:
 He wasn't grabbing her breasts. The picture shows him  mockingly grabbing her breasts. No contact in the picture. Stupid move but not blatant sexual assault.

He also kissed her and she didn't see the photograph until she got home. It was on a CD the photographer gave her. Think of the context. This wasn't a frat party. Can you honestly say this is something that would occur to you to do as a joke? To a co-worker? There is a mentality of entitlement.

alan smithee wrote:
Apples and oranges. I haven't heard about a second accuser for Franken so I can't comment about that. But the first accvuser is a talk radio host. Talk radio,especially in the US, is rabidly right wing. This is the only reason why I have my doubts about her accusation and her motivations. 

To my ears that is just another excuse like "the way she was dressed" or "flirting" or drunk or wants revenge or attention. It is not fun for women to accuse a man of inappropriate behavior. It's intimidating, embarassing, humiliating. You know people will look for mitigating factors to diminish what happened. The evidence has to be overwhelming.

There is a second accuser now.

 

The woman was a regular on the Hannity show and Greg Gutfeld's show. Extremely right wing assholes the two of them. And that's the only reason I cast doubt on her and rightfully question her motive.

Not once did I make a comment about her appearance or if she was 'asking for it'. I don't trust the far right and I don't care who is representing extremists like Gutfeld and Hannity. They are suspect to me full stop.

I'm not trying to defend Franken. Clearly,and in a picture explicitly showing what he did,he was in the wrong. He did something stupid. But he probably thought he was being funny at the time.

And now that there is a second accuser (whom I don't have an idea if they are part of a  profession I don't trust) things don't look good for Franken. Unless it turns out the second accuser was an employee of Sinclair broadcast group.. Then I'd cast the same doubt.

If guilty,Franken should resign. However,serial sexual assaulters like Trump and Moore go unchallenged. Definitely less challenged than Franken. I find that odd.

The only positive from all these cases is it casts a spotlight on male entitement , assault,molestation and the humiliation that comes with it.

My guess is we haven't heard the end of all these politicians and celebrities being outed.

In the case of Franken,he should step down the moment Moore and Trump do. If not, the outrage is monopolized by Democrats and Liberals when the reality is that their counterparts are very much worse. The difference is that the majority of Evangelical far right Conservatives assault boys and men instead of women.

FWIW,if the shoe was on the other foot and the accuser was a Democrat staffer or outspoken progressive or liberal,I'd doubt their claims too.

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There is also this curious story from CBS news.

Rebecca Shabad wrote:

Hours before the allegations against Sen. Al Franken became public Thursday, Trump ally Roger Stone seemed to know they were coming.

A Twitter account linked to the former Trump adviser posted a quote from Stone in the early hours Thursday morning that suggested he expected allegations involving the Minnesota Democrat to go public.

QUOTE: Roger Stone says it's Al Franken's "time in the barrel". Franken next in long list of Democrats to be accused of "grabby" behavior.

— Enter The Stone Zone (@stonezonetweets) November 16, 2017

Later in the morning, Leeann Tweeden, a TV host, model and sports broadcaster claimed in an article online that that Franken had "kissed and groped" her without her consent during a USO Tour in December 2006.

NorthReport
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There was an incident posted on facebook about Al Franken's abuse at the time in 2010.

 

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Jane Curtin, Laraine Newman and other 'SNL' women stick up for Al Franken

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Saying they "feel compelled to stand up for Al Franken," 36 women affiliated with "Saturday Night Live" during the now-senator's 20 years on the show have signed a letter countering sexual harassment allegations recently leveled against the Minnesota Democrat.

Signatories included original "SNL" cast members Laraine Newman and Jane Curtin, along with 34 women who worked on the show behind the scenes between 1975 and the present. Franken was a writer and performer on the NBC sketch comedy show primarily from 1975 to 1995.

Rev Pesky

From voice of the damned:

Well. let's put it this way. If I saw a woman wearing one of those vests, and I wanted to continue maintaining my reputation for being at least a halfway decent human being, I wouldn't do what Franken did in that picture.

I was responding to Mr. Magoo who said that Franken's hands were very close to Tweeden​'s breasts. Fair enough, but between his hands and her breasts was a piece of body armour designed to withstand a significant explosive blast. 

I agree it was a dumb thing for Franken to do, mostly because the purpose of his actions seem to be to get the picture. I don't agree someone should take a picture of someone else without their knowledge. 

 

 

NorthReport
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What’s not to understand guys. When a woman accuses a man of sexual abuse you can assume there are many more women waiting in the wings to get up the courage to say the same thing When are we guys going to start believing women when the first woman goes public with a complaint against a man 

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/16/16665830/al-franken-sexual-assault-allegations

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NorthReport wrote:

What’s not to understand guys. When a woman accuses a man of sexual abuse you can assume there are many more women waiting in the wings to get up the courage to say the same thing When are we guys going to start believing women when the first woman goes public with a complaint against a man 

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/16/16665830/al-franken-sexual-assault-allegations

I don't think anyone here doesn't believe the women who have come forward and pointed out people who are perverts,child molesters and sexual predators.

Personally,I don't quite believe Leeann Tweeden about virtually anything. But there are more accusers. I don't know if they are talk radio hosts or regulars on Faux News  so I can't doubt them.

No one here condones Franken's actions. And if he is guilty of assaulting other women,he should resign. But so should Moore and Trump.

BTW,there is a slush fund for congressmen and senators who are guilty of sexual assault. Victims are paid off with tax money so you don't hear anything about it. In DC and Hollywood we've only seen the tip of the iceberg. And that's not including the rest of that country,our country,other countries.

I'm on the side that all this will cripple unconsensual,lewd conduct against women...and men. Terry Crews has stepped forward. Someone grabbed his junk. Whoever it was,they had a lot of balls (pardon the pun). Mr. Crews is a big guy,I wouldn't dare grab him even by the arm.   

Pondering

alan smithee wrote:
I don't think anyone here doesn't believe the women who have come forward and pointed out people who are perverts,child molesters and sexual predators. Personally,I don't quite believe Leeann Tweeden about virtually anything. But there are more accusers. I don't know if they are talk radio hosts or regulars on Faux News  so I can't doubt them.

If right wing women were out to get politicians they would choose someone more significant than Al Franken and a more damaging accusation than unwanted kissing. All news now is faux news unless it's about a disaster or mass shooting. It is prejudice to disbelieve her just because she is on the political right along with about 50% of women in the US. They are just as likely to be molested as the rest of us. The other accusations are about inappropriate butt grabbing. Same thing Rob Ford was accused of. A lot of men see no harm in grabbing a butt. I could see a 13 year old boy thinking it's funny to grab a woman's butt or take tasteless photographs but not a grown man. Grown men know they are copping a feel. They know women don 't like it. It's aggression. They are asserting their power. 

alan smithee wrote:
 No one here condones Franken's actions. And if he is guilty of assaulting other women,he should resign. But so should Moore and Trump. 

Yes but that is up to their supporters to decide and to push for. The right is not an excuse for the left to use or emulate.

alan smithee wrote:
 I'm on the side that all this will cripple unconsensual,lewd conduct against women...and men. Terry Crews has stepped forward. Someone grabbed his junk. Whoever it was,they had a lot of balls (pardon the pun). Mr. Crews is a big guy,I wouldn't dare grab him even by the arm.  

Molesters know their victims don't want to make a scene in public and are shocked in the moment so they let it pass because it's just a butt grab. There are a lot of people out there thinking "what's the big deal".

This will not even put a dent in nonconsentual touching for normal women as opposed to famous ones.

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Pondering wrote:

alan smithee wrote:
I don't think anyone here doesn't believe the women who have come forward and pointed out people who are perverts,child molesters and sexual predators. Personally,I don't quite believe Leeann Tweeden about virtually anything. But there are more accusers. I don't know if they are talk radio hosts or regulars on Faux News  so I can't doubt them.

If right wing women were out to get politicians they would choose someone more significant than Al Franken and a more damaging accusation than unwanted kissing. All news now is faux news unless it's about a disaster or mass shooting. It is prejudice to disbelieve her just because she is on the political right along with about 50% of women in the US. They are just as likely to be molested as the rest of us. The other accusations are about inappropriate butt grabbing. Same thing Rob Ford was accused of. A lot of men see no harm in grabbing a butt. I could see a 13 year old boy thinking it's funny to grab a woman's butt or take tasteless photographs but not a grown man. Grown men know they are copping a feel. They know women don 't like it. It's aggression. They are asserting their power. 

alan smithee wrote:
 No one here condones Franken's actions. And if he is guilty of assaulting other women,he should resign. But so should Moore and Trump. 

Yes but that is up to their supporters to decide and to push for. The right is not an excuse for the left to use or emulate.

alan smithee wrote:
 I'm on the side that all this will cripple unconsensual,lewd conduct against women...and men. Terry Crews has stepped forward. Someone grabbed his junk. Whoever it was,they had a lot of balls (pardon the pun). Mr. Crews is a big guy,I wouldn't dare grab him even by the arm.  

Molesters know their victims don't want to make a scene in public and are shocked in the moment so they let it pass because it's just a butt grab. There are a lot of people out there thinking "what's the big deal".

This will not even put a dent in nonconsentual touching for normal women as opposed to famous ones.

Well,in the case of Terry Crews,he was grabbed by the balls,not the butt. And I'm not sure where the ' butt grabbing'  is coming from.

I'm a male,I never nonconsensually touched another human being. Most males haven't. Those that do are assaulting said person.

As for Ms. Tweeden,you're right,she could have gone after a bigger fish. But Conservatives seem to detest Franken and the photo he posed for didn't help his case.

I just read a half dozen times that the picture was staged. The sketch they did at the USO gig probably was too. Maybe Franken took it to far. But I can't defend him. It was the epitome of stupid.

I don't doubt a woman for simply being right wing. I doubt a woman wsho is a hate radio host and regular on far right TV shows like Hannity and Red Eye with Greg Gutfeld. It's suspicious. She's suspicious. I'm talking about a particular individual,not women in general -- far from it.

But I do think that all these cases coming forward will inevitably change behavior. There's no man out there who wants to be known as a molester or sexual predator. Any man who does has a serious problem.

I believe this will empower girls and women to come forward and call out sexual assault. I also think it will scare off would be predators because that kind of behavior is frowned upon more than any other crime. Especially those who prey on children which both Trump and Roy Moore have been accused of doing. Franken should step down as soon as they do. 

NorthReport

Democrats are facing an important test with Al Franken. They’ve failed it before.

Their actions now will determine the future of the party.

 

Sen. Al Franken (D-MN) on November 14.

 Photo by Mark Wilson/Getty Images

In less than a month, Alabama voters will decide whether to send to the United States Senate a man accused of abusing and romantically pursuing teenage girls.

If Roy Moore wins, it will mean his constituents either don’t believe or don’t care about the woman who says Moore assaulted her when she was 16, or the woman who says Moore kissed and touched her when she was 14, or the women who say Moore kept approaching them at the mall when they were teenagers. And a Moore victory will set the standard that someone who is the subject of multiple reports of abusive behavior toward minors can represent his state in the Senate. Unless the Republican Party finds some way around the election in December, it will be a referendum on whether the safety of girls and women matters to voters in one of the most conservative states in the country.

But Democrats have a referendum on their hands too. Though the cases are different, the way Democrats respond to reports of unwanted touching and advances by Sen. Al Franken (D-MN) and Rep. John Conyers (D-MI), is just as important as how Republicans respond to Moore.

Democrats have already failed in this regard at least once, continuing to embrace and defend former president Bill Clinton even after an inappropriate relationship with an intern and reports of sexual assault. If they want to maintain the trust of their constituents and become a better, stronger party, they can’t make the same mistake this time.

Democrats are criticizing Franken — but some say it’s bad strategy for him to resign

Two women have now come forward to report inappropriate behavior by Sen. Franken. Last week, radio host Leeann Tweeden wrote that when she was performing with Al Franken on a USO tour in 2006, before he was a senator, Franken pressured her to rehearse an onstage kiss, aggressively put his tongue in her mouth, and later groped her while she was sleeping. A photograph shows Franken either groping or pretending to grope Tweeden while her eyes are shut. On Monday, CNN reported the story of Lindsay Menz, who says that Franken grabbed her butt during a photo op in 2010, when he was serving his first term in the senate.

Franken has apologized to Tweeden, but said he doesn’t remember their rehearsal the same way. In response to Menz’s account, he told CNN that he doesn’t remember the incident, but that “I feel badly that Ms. Menz came away from our interaction feeling disrespected.”

Meanwhile, BuzzFeed News reported this week that Rep. Conyers settled a complaint in 2015 by a woman who said she was fired for turning down his advances. Former staff members said in documents from the complaint that Conyers “repeatedly made sexual advances to female staff that included requests for sex acts,” BuzzFeed reported. Conyers has denied the allegations.

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There’s a little-known fund that goes to victims of sexual harassment on the Hill. You pay for it.

Progressive reactions to women’s accounts of Franken’s behavior have generally fallen into two camps. Some — including Michelle Goldberg at the New York Times and Minnesota State Auditor Rebecca Otto, who is running for governor in 2018 — have called for him to resign. Others, like Kate Harding at the Washington Post, have criticized Franken but argued that he shouldn’t resign, because the Republican Party does not demand the same of politicians accused of harassment.

If Democrats are forced to resign in the face of such allegations and Republicans aren’t, Harding writes, “the legislative branch will remain chockablock with old, white Republican men who regard women chiefly as sex objects and unpaid housekeepers, and we’ll show them how staunchly Democrats oppose their misogynistic attitudes by handing them more power.”

It’s worth noting that few if any Democratic officials have come forward to defend the practice of groping women. We have not seen, for instance, a Democratic equivalent of the Alabama state auditor who brushed aside the allegations against Roy Moore with a bizarre Biblical reference: “Take Joseph and Mary. Mary was a teenager and Joseph was an adult carpenter. They became parents of Jesus.”

Still, Democrats face a test. And they’ve already failed once.

In 1998, Democrats mixed up infidelity with abuse of power, and gave Clinton an undeserved pass

Reports of harassment and assault by Harvey Weinstein and other powerful men have prompted a reevaluation of several other powerful figures who should have been evaluated harshly in the first place. Prominent among these is Bill Clinton, who has been accused of sexual harassment and assault by multiple women, including Juanita Broaddrick, who says Clinton raped her in 1978. Clinton also admitted in 1998 to an affair with Monica Lewinsky. Their relationship was consensual, but she was a White House intern and he was president of the United States — Clinton abused his power and committed, as Vox’s Dylan Matthewsput it, “textbook sexual harassment of a subordinate of a kind that would (or perhaps more accurately, should) get many CEOs fired from their companies.”

A boss having sexual contact with an intern puts her at a steep disadvantage — what if she wants to break off the affair? It also harms everyone else in the workplace — can the boss possibly be fair to the other interns if he’s having sex with one of them? How can he evaluate, support, or promote any of his employees fairly if he’s sizing them up as potential sexual partners? These questions become even more pressing when the boss is thecommander-in-chief.

And yet Democrats, by and large, did not ask these questions when Clinton’s affair with Lewinsky came to light — or until very recently. Vox’s Matt Yglesias writes that in 1998, “my version of a sophisticated high schooler’s take on the matter was that the American media should get over its bourgeois morality hang-ups and be more like the French, where François Mitterrand’s wife and his longtime mistress grieved together at his funeral.” This was a common take at the time, among adults as well as teenagers. As Yglesias notes, the focus should have been on Clinton’s abuse of his power over Lewinsky, not his infidelity. But Democrats in Congress and voters alike decided to treat Clinton like a bad husband answerable to his wife, not a failed leader answerable to the American people.

Democrats in Congress were ready to force Clinton to resign over his relationship with Lewinsky, said William Chafe, a professor emeritus of history at Duke and the author of Bill and Hillary: The Politics of the Personal. But when Hillary Clinton stayed married to Bill and remained supportive of him, Chafe explained, “the people in the country said, if she’s willing to stand with him, then we will too.” Democratic lawmakers stood down, and Clinton eventually finished out his term.

His public image suffered for a while after his impeachment — Al Gore’s presidential campaign kept Clinton away from some key swing states for fear that voters would punish Gore for Clinton’s misdeeds. But it didn’t last long — Clinton spoke at the Democratic National Convention in 2004 and, of course, was active in his wife’s 2008 and 2016 presidential campaigns. One of the strangest moments I witnessed in 2016 was Chelsea Clinton’s appearance with both of her parents in Hudson, New Hampshire; it was impossible to watch the three of them together without being reminded of the pain Bill Clinton had caused his family and other women. A year and a half later, there he was at the National Book Awards, getting a standing ovation.

It’s become commonplace to speak of the current “moment” on sexual harassment as though before women began speaking out about Harvey Weinstein, no one knew it was wrong for men to kiss, touch, pressure, or intimidate unwilling women. But, of course, that’s not true. Tarana Burke started the Me Too campaign a decade ago. When Anita Hill testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee in 1991 that Clarence Thomas had talked to her about porn and pubic hair on a Coke can, she knew those actions were wrong. (At Rewire, Imani Gandy argues that Joe Biden’s recent apology to Anita Hill rings hollow given his role as chair of the judiciary committee at the time.) And many people saw Clinton’s behavior with Lewinsky, and reports by Broaddrick and others, for the serious issues that they were. Trouble is, the rest of America wasn’t listening.

Democrats can’t make the same mistake twice

America is listening now. And while Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY) made headlines last week when she said Clinton should have resigned the presidency, no Democrat that prominent has said that Franken should step down. Gillibrand’s comment was certainly controversial, but it’s easier to criticize a 71-year-old former president whose career — even as a supporter of his wife’s campaigns — is over than it is to pass judgment on a sitting senator whose future still matters for his party.

If Franken resigns, some of Democrats’ fears will probably come true. Whether or not Roy Moore makes it into the Senate, Republicans may be slower than Democrats to root out harassers in their ranks. Since Democrats and Republicans almost certainly commit harassment at equal rates, Democrats may find themselves ousted more frequently than Republicans if the party ends up being more willing to root them out. Democratic lawmakers may be forced to resign their posts in red states, only to be replaced with Republicans by Republican governors. Right-wing media may even use false allegations of sexual misconduct to try to bring down left-wing politicians, as Brian Beutler worries at Crooked Media.

https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/11/22/16671676/al-franken-bill-clint...

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I don't think 4 is enough eh guys. What do you say to we need a minimum of 25 sexual complaints by women against a man before even one of these 25 women is believed!

4 women have now alleged sexual misconduct against Sen. Al Franken

Two more came forward Wednesday night.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/11/16/16665830/al-franken-s...

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Congresswoman Kathleen Rice (D-New York) calls on Franken & Ponyers to resign. 

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What a sleazeball - just like Trump 

what’s not to understand that when the first woman makes a complaint of sexual harassment she needs to be believed 

https://globalnews.ca/news/3889681/al-franken-groping-u-s-army-veteran/

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Gee it only took 5 women to complain! 

Top House Democrat calls on Franken to resign

https://www.politico.com/story/2017/11/30/al-franken-sexual-harassment-j...

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It’s time for Franken to go

 

“Uncle.”

That was my one-word message Thursday morning to a conservative reader with whom I’ve been sparring via email over whether or not liberal Democratic Sen. Al Franken of Minnesota should resign.

My initial position — that the allegation of mild sexual impropriety against Franken was isolated and might have been a one-off lapse in judgment — had already eroded. Several other women had come forward or anonymously related accounts of Franken groping them inappropriately while posing for photographs, but then came news Thursday morning that Stephanie Kemplin, a 41-year-old U.S. Army veteran, was accusing Franken of cupping her breast for up to 10 seconds during a photo shoot in 2003.

True, the number and nature of these assaults still pale next to the allegations against President Donald Trump, who alas isn’t going anywhere, but if the Democrats want to try to claim any high ground on this issue in the upcoming special U.S. Senate election in Alabama in which the Republicans are running alleged ephebophile Roy Moore, they ought to exercise independent moral judgment and demand Franken’s resignation.

His effectiveness as a senator and fundraiser have been sharply limited, and his prospects for re-election in 2020, when he will turn 69, are bleak. Further, sinceMinnesota’s Democratic governor is empowered to fill vacancies in the U.S. Senate, the partisan balance in the Senate will stay the same if Franken steps down.

I like him. I like his politics. I like his intelligence. I like his wit. But it’s time. For the good of his party and the sake of his allies, it’s time.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/zorn/ct-perspec-zorn-franken-...

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All the Women Who Have Accused Sen. Al Franken of Sexual Misconduct

http://time.com/5042931/al-franken-accusers/

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Who Survives a Sexual-Harassment Allegation?

There’s no clear pattern to the disparate trajectories of Al Franken, John Conyers, Joe Barton, and Roy Moore.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/what-does-it-take-t...

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Bill Clinton’s Accusers Storm Al Franken’s Office Demanding His Resignation

http://observer.com/2017/11/bill-clinton-accusers-storm-al-frankens-office/

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