Al Qaeda Cut-Throats 'White Helmets' to Resettle in Canada

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Al Qaeda Cut-Throats 'White Helmets' to Resettle in Canada

NATO Seeks to Evacuate White Helmets, Resettle Them in Canada

https://www.mintpressnews.com/evacuate-white-helmets-syria-canada/245971/

"Following the recent success of the Syrian government's campaign to  rid Southern Syria of both radical jihadists and foreign [fighters'] influence, the same Western governments that have long funded the Whie Helmets are seeking to evacuate their assets and resettle them abroad. Canada was named by CBS as a top possibility for a White Helmet 'safe haven.'

The White Helmets have been shown to effectively be the same organization as terror group al Nusra Front, and have been caught on film aiding al Nusra terrorists to execute Syrian civilians. It is hard to imagine any Westerner who would want the White Helmets as neighbours..."

progressive17 progressive17's picture

It is racist to call them cutthroats. They will make fine Canadian citizens, and they will respect our laws, customs, and traditions. We must be welcoming and opening to any oppressed group. Even one which was forced to do tragic acts by evil forces beyond their control. They are probably innocent.

NDPP

Perhaps you're right. I mean it's sort of a Canadian tradition. Look at how well all those Ukrainian Nazis of the Galizien SS Canada settled here worked out for us. And besides, the Netflix version of the White Helmets is 'inspiring'. And the NDP even recommended Canada nominate them for a Nobel prize. So maybe you're right progressive 17. After all, they were chopping heads and cutting throats for our side, right?  Forgive and forget eh? 

The White Helmets Are a Propaganda Construct

https://youtu.be/3vNwe7yKbwo

progressive17 progressive17's picture

We have no right to be judgemental. 

Pondering

Sounds like they were basically working for us. They probably have damaging information they could share under torture by the Syrians. 

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

progressive17 wrote:

We have no right to be judgemental. 

OK...I'll bite...who are you sarcastically going after here?  Lately, you've mainly been attacking the Left(after you showed up here with a Trotskyist fist as your initial avatar).  Who are you so pissed off at on this board?

voice of the damned

Ken Burch wrote:

progressive17 wrote:

We have no right to be judgemental. 

OK...I'll bite...who are you sarcastically going after here?  Lately, you've mainly been attacking the Left(after you showed up here with a Trotskyist fist as your initial avatar).  Who are you so pissed off at on this board?

 

P17's posting on this thread sounds like a right-winger doing a parody of a supposedly typical "post-modern cultural relativist".  

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

voice of the damned wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

progressive17 wrote:

We have no right to be judgemental. 

OK...I'll bite...who are you sarcastically going after here?  Lately, you've mainly been collectively sneering at the Left(after you showed up here with a Trotskyist fist as your initial avatar), which you have the right to do under the Charter, but which is weird on what's meant to be a basically "Left" talkboard.  Who are you so pissed off at here?

 

P17's posting on this thread sounds like a right-winger doing a parody of a supposedly typical "post-modern cultural relativist".  

Yeah.  If it had gone three sentences longer, he'd had "dropped character", and started typing things like "SJW" and "suck it up, snowflake!".

progressive17 progressive17's picture

Oh my goodness. I would never stoop to such vile personal attacks. You should know better. There is no person in particular I have any grudge against. If someone has pissed me off, I have said so right then and there. After that it is just water under the bridge.

I'm not a right-winger. I am antifa.

And I reserve the right to take the piss.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

progressive17 wrote:

Oh my goodness. I would never stoop to such vile personal attacks. You should know better. There is no person in particular I have any grudge against. If someone has pissed me off, I have said so right then and there. After that it is just water under the bridge.

I'm not a right-winger. I am antifa.

And I reserve the right to take the piss.

OK, well consider this feedback on how things can be taken by people.  

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

As to the topic-I just hope they give these guys' names to this agency:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Air_Transport_Security_Authority

Paladin1

Ken Burch wrote:

voice of the damned wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:

progressive17 wrote:

We have no right to be judgemental. 

OK...I'll bite...who are you sarcastically going after here?  Lately, you've mainly been collectively sneering at the Left(after you showed up here with a Trotskyist fist as your initial avatar), which you have the right to do under the Charter, but which is weird on what's meant to be a basically "Left" talkboard.  Who are you so pissed off at here?

 

P17's posting on this thread sounds like a right-winger doing a parody of a supposedly typical "post-modern cultural relativist".  

Yeah.  If it had gone three sentences longer, he'd had "dropped character", and started typing things like "SJW" and "suck it up, snowflake!".

Hey SJW isn't just a thing us right-wingers say. I'm offended ;)

Pondering

The Antifa (English: /ænˈtiːfə/ or /ˈæntiˌfɑː/)[1] movement is a conglomeration of autonomous, self-styled anti-fascist militant[2][3][4][5][6] groups in the United States.[7][8][9] The principal feature of antifa groups is their use of direct action,[10] harassing those whom they identify as fascists, racists or right wing extremists, both online and in real life.[11]

They engage in violent protest tactics, which has included property damage and physical violence.[7][12][13][14] They tend to be anti-capitalist[15] and they are predominantly far-left and militant left,[16][10] which includes anarchistscommunists and socialists.[17][18][19][20] Their stated focus is on fighting far-right and white supremacist ideologies directly, rather than politically.[10]

I am against any group that uses violence. They are no better than those they claim to oppose. They hurt any cause they support. In Quebec they managed to give La Meute a good name. 

progressive17 progressive17's picture

I would rather die fighting fascist violence than live under your complacency.

Penney Kome Penney Kome's picture

Snopes says this report is a HOAX. SHAME on rabble for running this.

NDPP wrote:
  https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/syrian-rescue-organization-the-white-h... On 23 September 2016, the conspiratorial site 21stCenturyWire.com, which essentially serves as a propaganda mouthpiece for Russian and Syrian regime disinformation in the ongoing civil war, reported without any evidence that the volunteer search-and-rescue organization that has come to be known widely as the White Helmets has ties to terrorism.

NATO Seeks to Evacuate White Helmets, Resettle Them in Canada

https://www.mintpressnews.com/evacuate-white-helmets-syria-canada/245971/

"Following the recent success of the Syrian government's campaign to  rid Southern Syria of both radical jihadists and foreign [fighters'] influence, the same Western governments that have long funded the Whie Helmets are seeking to evacuate their assets and resettle them abroad. Canada was named by CBS as a top possibility for a White Helmet 'safe haven.'

The White Helmets have been shown to effectively be the same organization as terror group al Nusra Front, and have been caught on film aiding al Nusra terrorists to execute Syrian civilians. It is hard to imagine any Westerner who would want the White Helmets as neighbours..."

NDPP

You are free to hold your worldview according to a thought policing Snopes.  I'll pass, thanks. 

How the Mainstream Media Whitewashed  Al Qaeda and the White Helmets in Syria  - by Eva Bartlett

https://ingaza.wordpress.com/2018/01/06/how-the-mainstream-media-whitewa...

"...Judging by the scathing commentary on the Guardian's Facebook post, the general public didn't buy it either. The Guardian, like Channel 4 News and Snopes, whitewashes terrorism in Syria, employs non-sequitur arguments, promotes war propaganda and simply gets the fact wrong..."

 

The War Against Alternative Information

https://consortiumnews.com/2017/01/01/the-war-against-alternative-inform...

"The US government is creating a new $160 million bureaucracy to shut down information that doesn't conform to US propaganda narratives. The White Helmets hoax continues to be widely believed and receives uncritical promotion though it has increasingly been exposed. The Snopes investigation criticizing Bartlett was superficial and ignored the broader issues of accuracy in the Western media's depiction of the Syrian conflict. Indeed, the article appeared to discredit the eyewitness observations and analysis of a journalist who dared challenge the mainstream narrative..."

NDPP

Canada To Resettle Dozens of White Helmets and Their Families From Syria

https://t.co/ZltRxqzpjb

Trudeau asked Israel to rescue White Helmets from Syria: Netanyahu.

For anyone actually following or familiar, this is quite hilarious. Of course it was likely Netanyahu who asked Trudeau in order to neatly avoid the obvious question of why Bibi can't take in his own jihadi proxy trash and 'resettle' them in Israel?

And  those not deep in stupid sleep or Canucklhead omerta about the true nature of the  murderous and malevolent Zionists we support here and there or the virulent white supremacy and racism of the Jewish state may well know the answer to that already. If not, perhaps this will help you to puzzle it out.

Israeli Army Admits Aiding Al Qaeda in Syria (2015)

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20150318-israeli-army-admits-aiding-al...

"And now it seems that Israel is in a direct alliance with al Qaeda in Syria. This is a tactical alliance, meant purely to bleed the country and prolong the civil war [more regime change operation]. Read the quotes from Israeli officers in recent months about the Nusra Front adn you will see a strange sort of soft-peddling of the group, casting them as a kind of 'moderate al Qaeda' if you will. So Israeli aid to al Qaeda in Syria may have been ongoing for as long as nearly two years now. But what is sure is that Israeli aid to al Qaeda in Syria has now been confirmed..."

And so in Syria another Western regime change operation Canada participated in but pretends not to notice fails. Never mind, pay no attention. None of your business...

Hundreds of Syrian 'White Helmets' Evacuated by Israel To Jordan - Reports

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20180722-hundreds-of-syrian-white-helm...

"Jordan's Petra News Agency said on its website the kingdom 'authorised the UN to organise the passage of about 800 Syrian citizens through Jordan for resettlement in Western countries."

Won't it be ironic if  Minister Freeland, herself descended from an earlier, similarly rescued group of 'freedom fighters fleeing an evil dictatorship' to Canada, welcomes these ones? How nice Canada is...

laine lowe laine lowe's picture

I have no idea of what to make of all of this. White helmets? Isn't that a play on UN peace keepers being called Blue Helmets. Had me confused for a nano-second. Nonetheless, it does seem interesting that they would co-opt the term to imply peacekeeping activity. The fact that the IDF was involved in the operation does raise some questions. It's not like they are respectful of any UN activities or peace-keeping efforts.

 

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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You are free to hold your worldview according to a thought policing Snopes.  I'll pass, thanks.

Snopes is no "thought police".

But they've been dropping the mic on hoaxes of all sorts since before "fake news" was a term.

I'm not shocked you don't care for them.  You could get away with so much more "if it weren't for those meddling kids".  Why can't Snopes just mind their own beeswax, eh?

NDPP

The Daily Mail Snopes Story and Fact Checking the Fact Checkers

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2016/12/22/the-daily-mail-snope...

"In short, when someone attempted to fact-check the fact-checker, the response was the equivalent of 'it's a secret.' It is impossible to underestimate how antithetical this is to the fact dealing world, in which absolute openness and transparency are necessary prerequsites for trust...Exceptionally grave concerns about the internal workings of Snopes...strongly partisan."

Never fear Magoo. I suspect your kind of news will pass Snopes with flying colours. By the way, what do they say about Louise Mensch?

NDPP

Israeli Entity Smuggles 800 Members of 'White Helmets' From Syria To Jordan

https://sana.sy/en/?p=143036

"The Israeli entity revealed on Sunday that it carried out a 'secret night operation' in which 800 members of the so-called 'White Helmets' and their families were evacuated from southern Syria to Jordan. 'Britain, Germany and Canada made a legally binding undertaking to resettle them within a specified period of time due to 'a risk to their lives', according to Jordanian Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammed al-Kayed. He added that these members will remain in a specific closed area during their passage through Jordan, which was committed [to] by the three Western countries within a period of three months. 

The 'White Helmets' was established in  2013 in Turkey with a clear British-US-Western funding. The organization has raised many questions about its alleged humanitarian actions, particularly as the group's work has been confined to places where terrorist organizations are positioned, with its members frequently appearing in videos carrying machineguns and fighting alongside terrorist organizations."

CBC: Canada To Accept Up To 250 Syrian White Helmet Volunteers, Family after Dramatic Escape

https://t.co/UagsXZ5ymA

"Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu issued a statement on Sunday saying the rescue came about as a result of recent requests by US President Donald Trump, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau 'and others'. James Le Mesurier, who is considered the group's founder, said Sunday that 427 were supposed to be lifted out of the country but only one made it out successfully. An evacuation of rebel-held territory has been underway since last weekend but neighbouring countries have shut their borders..."

These are bad ones that nobody wants or will take  except their western sponsors. The 'White Helmets' moniker is a PR scam designed to make Al Qaeda warm, pink and fuzzy to gullible western know-nothings.  Many thousands of other defeated 'rebels' have been granted amnesty, resettled, rejoined Syrian society or the SAA, or are even offered transport safely away from the war-zone  north to Idlib or Deir Ezzor should they not agree to surrender of arms.

That the 'specials'  had to be 'rescued', and were, by powers normally completely unconcerned by the loss of Syrian lives rebel or otherwise except for propaganda purposes,  tells me much about the nature of these Canada is taking. 

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

NDPP wrote:

These are bad ones that nobody wants or will take  except their western sponsors. The 'White Helmets' moniker is a PR scam designed to make Al Qaeda warm, pink and fuzzy to gullible western know-nothings.  Many thousands of other defeated 'rebels' have been granted amnesty, resettled, rejoined Syrian society or the SAA, or are even offered transport safely away from the war-zone  north to Idlib or Deir Ezzor should they not agree to surrender of arms.

That the 'specials'  had to be 'rescued', and were, by powers normally completely unconcerned by the loss of Syrian lives rebel or otherwise except for propaganda purposes,  tells me much about the nature of these Canada is taking. 

So, NDPP, are you warning us all that the former white helmets are coming to kill us in our beds? Or perhaps to rape our children? You are starting to sound a lot like Jefferson Beauregard Sessions, but I'm sure that's just a coincidence.

NDPP

Not at all Michael. I rather think, just like the former Galician SS cut-throats Canada once similarly 'rescued' and quietly 'settled' in numbers here, they'll do just fine and fit right in to this our multivultural society. And in no time too.  Because, let the truth be known, no greater assimilation machine has ever existed than Canada.

Perhaps their skills will qualify them for good jobs in the meat cutting industry. Or even the film or advertising business. Demolition perhaps. They're very good with chemicals, maybe they could do pest control. Not to mention health-care. Or the military.

Maybe they'll form a lobby organization someday and get promoted by the Atlantic Council just like other ultranationalists we've come to know. Maybe eventually they'll get their own MPs to advance their interests in Parliament, perhaps even elect a minister and capture an area of Canadian foreign policy they're interested in. Or pass laws to say criticism of A/Q is anti-Sunni-ism and forbidden . It's been done before, right?  One day perhaps they'll even get Canada and its western friends to again help 'liberate their land'. It's been done before. 

So, Michael, rest easy, all will be well.  Before you know it they'll be just like you. They'll probably learn to drink bad coffee at Tim Hortons,  celebrate Canada Day, teach their kids about  'the butcher Assad' and 'the evil Putin' who killed the Caliphate, and perhaps even give speeches to Canadians about how kind and generous Canada,  Israel, USA or Saudi Arabia have been to them, their kind and cause.

And then they'll have all the nice liberal left 'progressive' folks listening intently to their strange tales, shocked and charmed by turns and eating from their hands, confirming all the hoary old much cherished propaganda memes they lovingly learned from the Globe, the Guardian or Louise Mensch and they will add their parts to our common histories and ideological certainties which they too will learn to treasure and recite together as Canadians do on this our home on native land.

. And so,  for the 'White Helmets', Douma and all the other services you rendered to our empire, and the secrets you agreed to keep,  I wish you all sunny days and sunny ways...Welcome to Canada, Al Qaeda! You've earned it.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fd8_1430900709

voice of the damned

NDPP wrote:

Not at all Michael. I rather think, just like the former Galician SS cut-throats Canada once similarly 'rescued' and quietly 'settled' in numbers here, they'll do just fine and fit right in to this our multivultural society. And in no time too.  Because, let the truth be known, no greater assimilation machine has ever existed than Canada.

Perhaps their skills will qualify them for good jobs in the meat cutting industry. Or even the film or advertising business. Demolition perhaps. They're very good with chemicals, maybe they could do pest control. Not to mention health-care. Or the military.

Maybe they'll form a lobby organization someday and get promoted by the Atlantic Council just like other ultranationalists we've come to know. Maybe eventually they'll get their own MPs to advance their interests in Parliament, perhaps even elect a minister and capture an area of Canadian foreign policy they're interested in. Or pass laws to say criticism of A/Q is anti-Sunni-ism and forbidden . It's been done before, right?  One day perhaps they'll even get Canada and its western friends to again help 'liberate their land'. It's been done before. 

So, Michael, rest easy, all will be well.  Before you know it they'll be just like you. They'll probably learn to drink bad coffee at Tim Hortons,  celebrate Canada Day, teach their kids about  'the butcher Assad' and 'the evil Putin' who killed the Caliphate, and perhaps even give speeches to Canadians about how kind and generous Canada,  Israel, USA or Saudi Arabia have been to them, their kind and cause.

And then they'll have all the nice liberal left 'progressive' folks listening intently to their strange tales, shocked and charmed by turns and eating from their hands, confirming all the hoary old much cherished propaganda memes they lovingly learned from the Globe, the Guardian or Louise Mensch and they will add their parts to our common histories and ideological certainties which they too will learn to treasure and recite together as Canadians do on this our home on native land.

. And so,  for the 'White Helmets', Douma and all the other services you rendered to our empire, and the secrets you agreed to keep,  I wish you all sunny days and sunny ways...Welcome to Canada, Al Qaeda! You've earned it.

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fd8_1430900709

Wow, and here I thought Muslim immigrants were some sort of marginalized group in Canadian society. Now I learn they can be calling the shots within a few years of settling here.

Guess the anti-Islamophobia movement owes us all a big apology for the years of misinformation.

NDPP

Israel Evacuates 800 Members of White Helmets And Their Families From Syria To Jordan

https://southfront.org/israel-evacuates-800-members-of-white-helmets-and...

"The White Helmets is an infamous Western-backed organization, which according to Syrian, Russian and Iranian governments as well as the multiple independent researchers, has been involved in staging chemical attacks and other propaganda actions in order to assist the US-led bloc in its attempts to overthrow the Assad government. One of the most prominent cases is the 'Douma chemical attack' on April 7, 2018.

According to Syrian experts, the key goal of the evacuation of the White Helmets members is not to allow forces of the Syrian-Russian-Iranian alliance to question members of the organization over their activities and to prevent further leaks on how the mainstream narrative on the conflict has been created through special propaganda operations."

Here's how one Syrian familiar with the WH put it;

"They are evacuating them to silence the story of the falsely staged chemical attacks, otherwise WH threatened to talk and the hoax will be uncovered."

Actually that hoax is already pretty much exposed to anyone paying attention. Even Robert Fisk suggested as much. So this makes sense to me. They know stuff and demanded safe passage out to stay silent. And they got it.  Much is being revealed in this...

josh

Penney Kome wrote:

Snopes says this report is a HOAX. SHAME on rabble for running this.

NDPP wrote:
  https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/syrian-rescue-organization-the-white-h... On 23 September 2016, the conspiratorial site 21stCenturyWire.com, which essentially serves as a propaganda mouthpiece for Russian and Syrian regime disinformation in the ongoing civil war, reported without any evidence that the volunteer search-and-rescue organization that has come to be known widely as the White Helmets has ties to terrorism.

NATO Seeks to Evacuate White Helmets, Resettle Them in Canada

https://www.mintpressnews.com/evacuate-white-helmets-syria-canada/245971/

"Following the recent success of the Syrian government's campaign to  rid Southern Syria of both radical jihadists and foreign [fighters'] influence, the same Western governments that have long funded the Whie Helmets are seeking to evacuate their assets and resettle them abroad. Canada was named by CBS as a top possibility for a White Helmet 'safe haven.'

The White Helmets have been shown to effectively be the same organization as terror group al Nusra Front, and have been caught on film aiding al Nusra terrorists to execute Syrian civilians. It is hard to imagine any Westerner who would want the White Helmets as neighbours..."

Not to worry.  NDPP is a just a conduit for Russian propaganda.

NDPP

Canada to Resettle Dozens of White Helmets and Their Families From Syria (and vid)

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada-to-resettle-dozens-of-white-helme...

"The White Helmets are courageous volunteers and first responders who risk their lives to help their fellow Syrians. Our thanks to Israel, Jordan, US, UK, Germany and all the other parties who have worked closely with Canada to make the evacuation of WH possible." - CF-

 

Freeland, Trudeau Used 'Formal Interventions' to Kickstart Rescue of White Helmets From Syria

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/white-helmets-syria-rescue-mission-jord...

"The notion the White Helmets would be targeted for retribution was underlined for Canadians by the volunteers themselves in recent testimony before a parliamentary committee. Three members of the volunteer organization told the House of Commons subcommittee on human rights that they feared the Russians would try to kill them. In order to broker the agreement, the sources said, former Liberal justice minister and human rights lawyer Irwin Cotler was enlisted..."

NDPP

Netanyahu: Trump & Trudeau Asked Israel To Evacuate White Helmets From Syria (and vid)

https://on.rt.com/9aue

"Mounting evidence casts doubt on White Helmets' true agenda. 'The White Helmets only helped their own...'

 

Syriana Analysis: Israel Evacuates the White Helmets From Syria (and vid)

https://www.syriana-analysis.com/israel-evacuates-the-white-helmets-from...

"The Israeli Occupation army announced the evacuation of more than 800 members of the White Helmets, better known as Al Qaeda's 'humanitarian wing' to Jordan with Amman claiming it had struck a deal for them to be resettled in the UK, France and Canada..."

NDPP

Trudeau Government Admits Terrorist Auxiliaries to Canada

https://thewallwillfall.org/2018/07/23/trudeau-government-admits-terrori...

"That the Canadian government is planning to admit White Helmets personnel to Canada as refugees should gravely concern Canadians. These civil defence poseurs are ideologically committed to terrorism, personally connected to Al Qaeda and have the blood of many Syrians whose country they helped to invade and occupy. The potential to them to cause harm in Canada is high."

 

Open Letter To NDP re: Their Support For White Helmets Nobel Peace Prize (2016)

https://canadiandimension.com/articles/view/open-letter-to-ndp-re-their-...

"...With all the evidence I have presented showing the propaganda nature of the White Helmets phenomenon, how could the NDP have decided to ask the federal government to have Canada support the nomination of the White Helmets for the Nobel Peace Prize? For the NDP to promote an organization that is supportive of terrorists in Syria and which is a creation of the CIA and American foreign policy for such an honour is scandalous."

John Ryan, Ph. D., Retired Professor of Geography and Senior Scholar, University of Winnipeg, September 26, 2016. Already posted here. Already seen by the NDP, and so....?

Of course none of this should be paid any attention to since it is all just 'Russian propaganda' and both John Ryan and I obviously work for Putin. The demonstrated preference of some so-called 'progressives' here for the most outrageous, mendacious and reactionary foreign policy positions no matter how wrong or unfounded and despite all evidence that they are so, is frankly embarrassing. That it happens over and over again - Libya, Ukraine, Syria, 'Russiagate' is nothing short of tragic. Wake up and use your heads. The snowjob of Freeland and Trudeau and Israel that these are 'humanitarians' is a dangerous lie. That you are unable to see that or unwilling even to entertain the possibility of it, let alone read the materials provided proves just how far gone you really are. Shame on your wilfull and arrogant stupidity!

josh

I'm not the one who's closed minded.  I've been criticial of NATO's expansion and U.S. mideast policy.   But I don't swallow whatever crap Russia puts out hook, line and sinker.

JKR

NDPP wrote:

Or pass laws to say criticism of A/Q is anti-Sunni-ism and forbidden. 

Aren't almost 3/4 of Syrians Sunnis? Considering current trends, that number might drop. 

NDPP

No, you swallow whatever the NYT or WaPo says on Russia hook, line and sinker. And the worse it is, the better you like it. You're drowning in media manufactured Russophobia and paranoia my friend and you don't even know it. And it's getting worse.  I don't see you coming back either. Just sinking deeper down. 

josh

LOL.  Whatever. 

JKR

NDPP wrote:

No, you swallow whatever the NYT or WaPo says on Russia hook, line and sinker. And the worse it is, the better you like it. You're drowning in media manufactured Russophobia and paranoia my friend and you don't even know it. And it's getting worse.  I don't see you coming back either. Just sinking deeper down. 

I have to admit I read Paul Krugman's column religiously.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Pondering wrote:

The Antifa (English: /ænˈtiːfə/ or /ˈæntiˌfɑː/)[1] movement is a conglomeration of autonomous, self-styled anti-fascist militant[2][3][4][5][6] groups in the United States.[7][8][9] The principal feature of antifa groups is their use of direct action,[10] harassing those whom they identify as fascists, racists or right wing extremists, both online and in real life.[11]

They engage in violent protest tactics, which has included property damage and physical violence.[7][12][13][14] They tend to be anti-capitalist[15] and they are predominantly far-left and militant left,[16][10] which includes anarchistscommunists and socialists.[17][18][19][20] Their stated focus is on fighting far-right and white supremacist ideologies directly, rather than politically.[10]

I am against any group that uses violence. They are no better than those they claim to oppose. They hurt any cause they support. In Quebec they managed to give La Meute a good name. 

I must come to the defense of p17. He has every right to recoignize himself for what he thinks he is or what he really is.For over 30 years I thought I was a progresive but after years of being here and people like Jimmy Dore and the Russophiles and Conservative government cheerleaders who identify as 'progressive' , I'm most definitely not on board with any of these things.

Putin is not my friend and he's not yours. I am committed to CANADA not Russia. I am anti-conservative and would need a full frontal lobotomy to cheerlead the Cons. I also think Julian Assange is a Republican/Russian troll who I wouldn't piss on if he were on fire.So where do I lean then? It's clear,I'm a Left wing Liberal.

'progressives' are jokers in the most lowest of terms. Enjoy your Russian overlords and say hi to your by-product Trump while you're at it.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

Like Tom Waits, I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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You're drowning in media manufactured Russophobia and paranoia my friend and you don't even know it. And it's getting worse.  I don't see you coming back either. Just sinking deeper down.

Do you have a media source that's neither "Russophobic" nor "pro-Russia", and will you share it with us?

Pondering

alan smithee wrote:
'progressives' are jokers in the most lowest of terms. Enjoy your Russian overlords and say hi to your by-product Trump while you're at it.

All that for being anti-violence? My point is that violence is counter productive. Making La Meute look good is self-defeating. 

NDPP

"According to al-Mayadeen those who were evacuated through Israel are not all White Helmets but include foreign officers and intel operatives from different nationalities and their number has exceeded 3,000..."

https://twitter.com/HadiNasrallah/status/1021310219660513280

 

"Why aren't Syrian Red Crescent being evacuated from Syria? Why aren't they running in fear from an advancing Syrian Army? Because they are a legitimate humanitarian organization that actually helps people - unlike the White Helmets - who are terrorists masquerading as humanitarians."
https://twitter.com/The_Cyrenian/status/1021412284365660161

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Pondering wrote:

alan smithee wrote:
'progressives' are jokers in the most lowest of terms. Enjoy your Russian overlords and say hi to your by-product Trump while you're at it.

All that for being anti-violence? My point is that violence is counter productive. Making La Meute look good is self-defeating. 

I agree. But that wan't my point. I'm disassociating myself from 'progressives' that are Russophiles and think Putin is a swell guy, cheerleading Conservative victories, worship Julian Assange,micro managing speech ( which is a big reason why progressives go nowhere and can't get over the 9% to 20% and lose very badly during elections and always will if you insist to try to control speeech..THAT is counter-productive) and those whose rhetoric is right wing. I'm not part of that group and I always thought I was...I woke up finally. I'm a leftist but I'm not 'progressive' if it means getting excited when Conservatives are up in the polls or believing Putin is my friend,that Julian Assange deserves to be propped up as a Saint of the progressive movement.

I don't fit that description. So I must be a left wing liberal (not affilited with Liberal Party of Canada although I'd take them 100 times out of 100 over a dick like Scheer). And I'm not necessarily against violence if it's the only recourse.

BTW,FUCK La Meute and the rest of these bigoted far right assholes.

NDPP

Israeli Ties To Syrian Rebel Group

http://www.mintpressnews.com/israel-evacuated-mossad-linked-rebels-durin...

"Sources from within the Syrian opposition have revealed that the White Helmets were not the only ones evacuated from Syrian territory, as four top 'rebel' commanders were also among the evacuees undermining the promoted narrative that the evacuation was purely 'humanitarian' in nature..."

 

Syrian War Report - July 23, 2018: Israel Evacuates White Helmets Members from S Syria. (and vid)

https://southfront.org/syrian-war-report-july-23-2018-israel-evacautes-w...

"According to Syrian experts, the key goal of the evacuation of the White Helmets members is to not allow forces of Syria-Russia-Iran alliance to question members of the organization over its activities coordinated with western intelligence."

progressive17 progressive17's picture

If you think that anti-fascist action does not suppress fascists and scare them away you are simply uneducated. 

6079_Smith_W

progressive17 wrote:

If you think that anti-fascist action does not suppress fascists and scare them away you are simply uneducated. 

On the contrary, they managed to make La Meute look good by being the instigators of violence in this case. They didn't scare them away at all:

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/hundreds-of-counter-proteste...

Problem is when some use that "anti-fascist" name as cover to do things which are no better than the fascists they claim to oppose.

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

alan smithee wrote:

Pondering wrote:

alan smithee wrote:
'progressives' are jokers in the most lowest of terms. Enjoy your Russian overlords and say hi to your by-product Trump while you're at it.

All that for being anti-violence? My point is that violence is counter productive. Making La Meute look good is self-defeating. 

I agree. But that wan't my point. I'm disassociating myself from 'progressives' that are Russophiles and think Putin is a swell guy, cheerleading Conservative victories, worship Julian Assange,micro managing speech ( which is a big reason why progressives go nowhere and can't get over the 9% to 20% and lose very badly during elections and always will if you insist to try to control speeech..THAT is counter-productive) and those whose rhetoric is right wing. I'm not part of that group and I always thought I was...I woke up finally. I'm a leftist but I'm not 'progressive' if it means getting excited when Conservatives are up in the polls or believing Putin is my friend,that Julian Assange deserves to be propped up as a Saint of the progressive movement.

I don't fit that description. So I must be a left wing liberal (not affilited with Liberal Party of Canada although I'd take them 100 times out of 100 over a dick like Scheer). And I'm not necessarily against violence if it's the only recourse.

BTW,FUCK La Meute and the rest of these bigoted far right assholes.

With you on at least some of that(although most of the "controlling speech" thing is simply asking that people not say things that are needlessly hurtful and offensive to others, since there's no valid point that can only be made by making offensive and excluding comments), but as to resistance against Nazis...the unfortunate fact is that, in every situation where the response to Nazis was polite and gentle, the result was a Nazi win of some sort.  There has never been a time when the alt-right was ever checked by a totally gentle protest...and there likely never will be.  

Ken Burch Ken Burch's picture

6079_Smith_W wrote:

progressive17 wrote:

If you think that anti-fascist action does not suppress fascists and scare them away you are simply uneducated. 

On the contrary, they managed to make La Meute look good by being the instigators of violence in this case. They didn't scare them away at all:

https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/hundreds-of-counter-proteste...

Problem is when some use that "anti-fascist" name as cover to do things which are no better than the fascists they claim to oppose.

And there's also the issue with the black bloc that, since they wear masks, they are incredibly easy to infiltrate and it is likely that a lot of the ugly things associated with the bloc were actually done by police or other government infiltrators trying to make the bloc look bad...and it's even possible that some of those things were done by alt-right types who'd masked-up for the day.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

Ken Burch wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

Pondering wrote:

alan smithee wrote:
'progressives' are jokers in the most lowest of terms. Enjoy your Russian overlords and say hi to your by-product Trump while you're at it.

All that for being anti-violence? My point is that violence is counter productive. Making La Meute look good is self-defeating. 

I agree. But that wan't my point. I'm disassociating myself from 'progressives' that are Russophiles and think Putin is a swell guy, cheerleading Conservative victories, worship Julian Assange,micro managing speech ( which is a big reason why progressives go nowhere and can't get over the 9% to 20% and lose very badly during elections and always will if you insist to try to control speeech..THAT is counter-productive) and those whose rhetoric is right wing. I'm not part of that group and I always thought I was...I woke up finally. I'm a leftist but I'm not 'progressive' if it means getting excited when Conservatives are up in the polls or believing Putin is my friend,that Julian Assange deserves to be propped up as a Saint of the progressive movement.

I don't fit that description. So I must be a left wing liberal (not affilited with Liberal Party of Canada although I'd take them 100 times out of 100 over a dick like Scheer). And I'm not necessarily against violence if it's the only recourse.

BTW,FUCK La Meute and the rest of these bigoted far right assholes.

With you on at least some of that(although most of the "controlling speech" thing is simply asking that people not say things that are needlessly hurtful and offensive to others, since there's no valid point that can only be made by making offensive and excluding comments), but as to resistance against Nazis...the unfortunate fact is that, in every situation where the response to Nazis was polite and gentle, the result was a Nazi win of some sort.  There has never been a time when the alt-right was ever checked by a totally gentle protest...and there likely never will be.  

I'm not giving license to hate speech or offensive derogatory speech. It's just that people talk the way they talk and from everything I've read and viewed on television,people don't like being told what they can and can't say.

The world isn't a safe space. Sometimes we have to live with disgusting speech. We don't need to condone it but we're not doing ourselves any favours silencing people. Even sickening alt-right cretins. They have the right to speak. Let them and then ridicule them as they should be. Not to sound like a right winger but the whole PC thing has done a lot of good for those of us who are disenfranchised,sexual orientation and minorities. But it is part of the reason why an asshole like Donald Trump got elected. He talked like a 3rd grader and that is endearing and 'authentic' to those who are not on the progressive end of the political spectrum or those who are not political or very bright or cultured.

People are crude. I wish I could change things but I can't. You can't legislate speech and if you attempt to the uninformed and poorly educated and uninformed masses will revolt. If the left were to abandon it's micro management of speech,our causes would be easier to digest because of 'authenticity'

We live in a very intolerant time. Maybe we can back away from dictating what is the 'right words' and what is spoken by your garden variety shmo. Let's get some political power and then convince people that some words are not acceptable and try to spread tolerance.We're not there yet. That's why we have Doug Ford and in Quebec,Francois Legault,out west with Jason Kenney and his ilk and there's no need to point out the obvious lout of the bunch,Orange Hitler.Let's seduce the masses with policy and THEN try to change attitudes.

ETA    I'm going to ease off the PC rhetoric'There are too many alt-right and Trump supporters and candidates using the ánti-PC crap for nefarious purposes. I really dson't want to be associated with these cockroaches.

But I do think we leftists should protect free speech. As I said,if someone (and it will happen a million times a day) uses their speech for hate,racism or Pepe The Frog trolling,we have a right to ridicule and belittle them. It would be as easy as shooting fish in a barrel.

If a Ben Shapiro or a Jordan Peterson or a Richard Spencer wants to talk,let them. And then tear them apart with reality. Reality is their enemy.

I can't associate myself with something that has been hijacked by mental patients on both sides of the border with their anti-PC dog whistling,straw manning or gas lighting and give license and permission to espouse and vomit very racist and fascist thoughts,words and actions.

But I do srill think we should tone down the micro manadement of language. These people are easy to rip apart then chew them and spit them out. Just my very humnle opinion.

iyraste1313

Though Al Masdar’s claims may seem shocking to some, there is plenty of evidence explaining why Israel would be interested in protecting commanders from these specific rebel brigades. In the case of Fursan al-Golan, for instance, the Wall Street Journal wrote last year that the Israeli government paid the rebel group an estimated $5,000 a month and a special Israeli army unit was created to oversee Israel’s support for Fursan al-Golan and other groups. Israel’s support for the group has been so great that it’s spokesperson, Moatasem al-Golani, told the Journal that “we wouldn’t have survived without Israel’s assistance.”

Did Canada knowingly support the evacuation of 4 rebel commanders?

Although there may be evidence doubting the true nature of the White Helmets, there can be no doubt that these commanders are jihadists!
If Canada supported this move knowingly, then Trudeau should be imprisoned for life under our own anti terrorist act!

NDPP

Western States Salvage Terror Assets in Syria

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2018/07/24/western-states-salvage...

"...Now here's a curious thing about the latest salvaging of terror assets in Syria. The US and Israel are not taking any of the 800 militants for resettlement. The so-called first responders of the 'White Helmets' are a CIA, MI6- backed propaganda outfit working hand in hand with the terrorist militias. Their fake videos of chemical attacks and airstrikes have been a key propaganda device aided and abetted by the Western news media to demonise the Syrian armed forces and its Russian ally.

Western government agencies have fanatical terrorist groups in Syria and elsewhere to do their dirty work for destabilizing target governments. We are seeing Western states taking in their terror assets, maybe as a desperate intervention to stop them from revealing the dirty secrets of Western government collusion. The repatriation of the White Helmets terror propagandists to the UK, Germany and Canada is a classic illustration.

Western authorities are playing with fire."

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

iyraste1313 wrote:

Though Al Masdar’s claims may seem shocking to some, there is plenty of evidence explaining why Israel would be interested in protecting commanders from these specific rebel brigades. In the case of Fursan al-Golan, for instance, the Wall Street Journal wrote last year that the Israeli government paid the rebel group an estimated $5,000 a month and a special Israeli army unit was created to oversee Israel’s support for Fursan al-Golan and other groups. Israel’s support for the group has been so great that it’s spokesperson, Moatasem al-Golani, told the Journal that “we wouldn’t have survived without Israel’s assistance.”

Did Canada knowingly support the evacuation of 4 rebel commanders?

Although there may be evidence doubting the true nature of the White Helmets, there can be no doubt that these commanders are jihadists!
If Canada supported this move knowingly, then Trudeau should be imprisoned for life under our own anti terrorist act!

If Israel is behind the White Helmets,the Conservatives would be taking them in too,don't doubt it for a second.

And imprisoning Trudeau for life? Yeah,he's a real tyrant that Trudeau. Perhaps you could tweet Trump about that. You both will have plenty to talk about. Remember,Trudeau is meek and dishonest because he tried to defend this country by invoking the same tariffs on goods coming and going from the US and Canada.. HOW DARE HE?

Hyper hyperbole at its worst.

Scheer would roll over onto his back like a beetle but let's look away from that,shall we?  Don't sweat it,your Tory government is coming. Enjoy. And don't bitch about things once that happens and North America becomes Trumpistan.

NDPP

"Words are not enough to express the discontent which the Syrians feel towards these mean conspiracies and the limitless support provided by the Western states, Israel and Jordan to the 'White Helmets' organization and to the gangs of Daesh and Jabhat al Nusra and the other terrorist organizations..."

Israel's Smuggling of 'White Helmets' Shows Their Support for Terrorism

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/49900.htm

NDPP

'They May Be Jihadists But They Are Our Jihadists'

http://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1020974074858745856

"Fascinating that the 'White Helmets' are being brought straight to UK with families when the Afghan and Iraqi interpreters were not. The British government does not do this from humanity or obligation." Frmr UK Ambassador Craig Murray

 

WH War Criminals!

https://twitter.com/ProfessorsBlogg/status/1021884083171995649

"White Helmets brought to Europe? Good, here they shall answer in court. Swedish Human Rights reports on fake rescues, anti-medical and war-criminal behavior, misuse of dead children in propaganda. All shown in WH own videos."

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