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American Islamophobia

al-Qa'bong

Muslim?  Arab?  Potato - batatta

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The US government has frozen the bank accounts belonging to Hatem Abudayyeh, a Palestinian community organizer and director of a social service organization serving the Arab community in Chicago, and his wife, Naima.

Meanwhile, several members of Congress have written to the Obama administration to express their concerns about violations in civil liberties as a result of earlier government actions toward Abudayyeh and other activists.[/quote]

US freezes Chicago Palestinian leader’s bank accounts

al-Qa'bong

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The major candidates for the Republican nomination for the presidency, including Rick Santorum, Michele Bachmann, Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich and Mike Huckabee, along with television personalities such as Bill Maher, routinely employ hate talk against Muslims as a way to attract votes or viewers. Right-wing radio and cable news, including Christian radio and television, along with websites such as Jihad Watch and FrontPage, spew toxic filth about Muslims over the airwaves and the Internet. But perhaps most ominously—as pointed out in “Manufacturing the Muslim Menace,” a report by Political Research Associates—a cadre of right-wing institutions that peddle themselves as counterterrorism specialists and experts on the Muslim world has been indoctrinating thousands of police, intelligence and military personnel in nationwide seminars.[/quote]

Your [well, Their"] Taxes Fund Anti-Muslim Hatred

knownothing knownothing's picture

This is how they justify their wars in these Arab countries

al-Qa'bong

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Two Muslim religious leaders were asked to leave a commercial airliner in Memphis - and were told it was because the pilot refused to fly with them aboard.

Masudur Rahman and another imam had already been allowed to board their Delta Connection flight from Memphis, Tennessee, to Charlotte, North Carolina before they were asked to get off the plane.

Ironically, the two men were headed to a North American Imams conference discussing Islamophobia or fears of Islam and discrimination against American Muslims.[/quote]

Robed Muslim clerics kicked off U.S. flight after pilot refuses to take off with them (and they were en route to conference on Islamophobia)

 

al-Qa'bong

[quote=knownothing]

This is how they justify their wars in these Arab countries

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It goes a lot deeper than that, as the roots of this racism go back to the days of guys like Baldwin and Bohemond.

 

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Killing Bin Laden might have been sweet revenge and given a boost to President Obama’s re-election chances, but when the glow is over its after-effects in terrorist retaliation will likely strike many countries, including the US itself. Yet none of this deflected America from its obsession with Bin Laden and its thirst for retribution. And it is precisely this assertion of primacy, where western needs have precedence over anyone else’s, in total disregard for the consequences to others that recalls the Palestinian example to mind.

A western decision to resolve Europe’s problem with its Jews led in 1948 to the creation of Israel in my homeland, Palestine. We were never consulted or involved, but we paid an exorbitant price for Israel’s establishment in lost lives, land, property, and even history. The underlying premise for this act was truly astounding: that another party, the Jews, no matter how tragic their sufferings, had a superior claim to my country than I did, that Jews had primary rights over my homeland because of their history in Europe which I, a native, could not challenge.[/quote]

Bin Laden and the Palestinians

knownothing knownothing's picture

Yes but the Islamaphobia manufactures public consent for the wars.

al-Qa'bong

I don't disagree; your point seems fairly obvious.  I'm just saying that these Islamophobes are tapping into a long-standing and possibly deeply-held prejudice in our western culture.  It's the same type of deeply-rooted prejudice that Hitler used against the Jews.

Fidel

What would the reaction be among anti-western Muslims if they knew that Usamah bin Laden was not killed a few days ago? What if they knew he is alive and being tortured for information after which he would be killed days or months later? 

I think Usamah is alive and being tortured a little while before an unofficial execution takes place. No one could prove otherwise. The US Military Government does not operate on the basis of transparency or accountability to the public. 

RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

Who the fuck cares Fidel, Islamaphobia is real and SEEN, unlike Elvis bin laden or whatever. We still wouldn't know how muslims feel because no one gives a fuck enough to investigate.

You need to hone your skills better on which threads to disrupt. You do a disservice to the NDP at times with your crossovers into international affairs. Stick to the national, you're NAILS!

knownothing knownothing's picture

[quote=al-Qa'bong]

I don't disagree; your point seems fairly obvious.  I'm just saying that these Islamophobes are tapping into a long-standing and possibly deeply-held prejudice in our western culture.  It's the same type of deeply-rooted prejudice that Hitler used against the Jews.

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Yes, first we killed the Aboriginals, and then we killed everyone else and now it is the Arabs turn.

knownothing knownothing's picture
Catchfire Catchfire's picture

NDPP, you've been warned repeatedly about posting anti-Semitic material on this site. That includes any articles which speculate or imply that Zionist Jews control the American media. I've removed your post and the follow up posts, which will be my practice from now on should you continue to accidentally post anti-Semitic material. If it becomes to look less like an accident, you will no longer be given the benefit of the doubt.

Fidel

[quote=RevolutionPlease] Who the fuck cares Fidel, Islamaphobia is real and SEEN, unlike Elvis bin laden or whatever. We still wouldn't know how muslims feel because no one gives a fuck enough to investigate. You need to hone your skills better on which threads to disrupt. You do a disservice to the NDP at times with your crossovers into international affairs. Stick to the national, you're NAILS![/quote]

You are not entirely wrong, RevolutionPlease. The American military government surely does want you to fear and loathe Muslims.

But in reality the [url=http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.ca/2008/07/court-documents-shed-lig.... military government ♥'s militant Islam.[/size][/url]

NDPP

[quote=Catchfire]

NDPP, you've been warned repeatedly about posting anti-Semitic material on this site. That includes any articles which speculate or imply that Zionist Jews control the American media. I've removed your post and the follow up posts, which will be my practice from now on should you continue to accidentally post anti-Semitic material. If it becomes to look less like an accident, you will no longer be given the benefit of the doubt.

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The posting was entirely legitimate and should not have been removed.

Bec.De.Corbin Bec.De.Corbin's picture

Yeah come on Catchfire, its Presstv (Iranian state news) not FOX news... how could they possibly be wrong?

I missed the whole "Zionist Jews control the American media" thing... I must have been laughing too hard at his 9-11 conspiricy stuff.Wink

 

Fidel

[quote=Bec.De.Corbin]

I missed the whole "Zionist Jews control the American media" thing... I must have been laughing too hard at his 9-11 conspiricy stuff.Wink[/quote]

Elvis bin Laden denied any and all involvement in the 9/11 inside job.

And as a result of the incredulous 9/11 Commission cover-up, somewhere less than half the people surveyed around the world believe "Al-Qaeda" was responsible.

The commision's slip-shod report missing important facts and eye witness accounts has been compared to the allied forces allowing the former Nazis to conduct the Nuremberg trials. Not only were they not going to find themelves guilty, none of themselves were even held accountable.  And that's because they were planning to frame-up their own anti-communist jihadi mercenaries criss-crossing in and out of the U.S. with impunity since the 1980's.

If you are a proven anti-communist, then you are welcomed with open arms policies in the USA. Just ask Louis Posada Carriles and a parade of anti-Cuban terrorists provided sanctuary in America long time.

British SAS and the Navy Seals should storm the beaches of Florida and California because they would find terrorists and former Latin American dictators aplenty.

Slumberjack

I intensely dislike the comment sections and content of many of the western MSM links that proliferate here relating to various oppressed communities, and I can't imagine how traumatizing it must be for survivors of this system to read that its all their fault, and that they're either lazy, looking for attention, not looking in the mirror at themselves or what not.  I have a list of these sites prepared that I'd like to submit for the purposes of exclusion from the board.

Fidel

Whistleblower Sibel Edmonds says King of the Madrasas has been taking over U.S. taxpayer-funded charter schools.

The U.S. Government loves militant Islam in schools and scaring hell out of Americans and especially so since 9/11.

We should all be more like Uncle Sam and his puppets in Ottawa - we should embrace militant Islam with both arms and love it all the time.

The whole problem started when the Soviets ceded the cold war. It was like being stabbed in the backs for our cold warriors and the bipartisan war parties. They needed a new and legitimate enemy to justify trillion-dollar coporate welfare handouts to a few thousand private military contractors every year on-time, and so they created "Al Qa'eda", the invisible army of darkness which doth not now nor hath it ever existed.

Slumberjack

We seem to have a preference here for our own daily vulgarity over that of publications originating elsewhere.

Fidel

Obama campaign brags about its whistleblower persecutions(September)

[quote=Glenn Greenwald]Leave aside that this is a total nonsequitur: the fact that Obama has persecuted whistleblowers hardly negates, or even pertains to, the charge that he has leaked classified information when doing so benefits him politically. Indeed, that's precisely what makes his behavior so pernicious: that his administration exploits secrecy laws to punish those who expose high-level wrongdoing while leaking at will for political gain.[/quote]

And it all began well before the infamous Reichstag fire on 9/11/01 leading to herr Bushler's enabling act and attacks on American civil liberties. Bill Clinton's pro KLA/pro Qaeda regime was insisting on wiretap provisioning for all telecommunications equipment manufactured in the U.S. and Canada as early as the 1990's and on the quiet. The military dictatorship running America has been spying on the lives of millions of Americans for a long time while, and at the same time, allowing known anti-communist terrorists and Saudi, Pakistani and Egyptian  mercenaries for-hire to criss-cross in and out of the USA at will and with impunity for many years before 9/11/01.

The 9/11 hijackers and terrorists were all trained in America and Europe by the U.S. Military, British SAS, German BND and so on. It's enough to make Americans sick to their stomachs if only they knew. How the U.S. Military regime protected Mohammed Atta

We can only presume that the morans in charge love militant Islam. Best friends forever!

Fidel

Islamophobia: A Bipartisan Project

The difference is that liberals will at least admit there are a few good Muslims before perpetrating mass murder for sport and profit. Republicans don't care who they insult before doing the same.

NDPP

Iran Leader Message Compliments Imam Khomeini's Letter to Gorbachev

http://www.presstv.com/Detail/2015/02/05/396337/Leader-message-complemen...

"Veteran Iranian politician Mohammed Javad Larijani says a message by Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Seyyed Ali Khameini addressed to the Western youth, complements a 1989 letter written by late Imam Khomeini to former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev.

'We are not calling to the Westerners to convert to Islam. We just want them to compare Islam with their self-proclaimed secular-liberal religion regardless of propaganda,' said Larijanie..."

Mr. Magoo

"All we're saying is give superstitious magic a chance!"

{quote]We just want them to compare Islam with their self-proclaimed secular-liberal religion[/quote]

A secular religion is like a "vegan" meatball.  Which is to say, just sillytalk.

 

lagatta

While I don't particularly like the term "Islamophobia" for bigotry against Muslims (or against people presumed to be Muslims), it does seem to fit the bill in this racist triple murder: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/chapel-hill-shooting-cr...

If the murderous arsehole just had an animus towards "theists", there was certainly no shortage of Christian churches in his part of the world.

6079_Smith_W

And this:

http://www.opposingviews.com/i/columns/christian-group-texas-shows-what-...

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I always find it interesting that people and groups like this behave the way they do and think they are sending a positive message about their own religion. The irony in this situation is that the Muslims there for their celebration were doing a much better job of representing what is right about our values and what we all believe religion should do for people than those ugly protesters who were making it very clear what they had in their hearts was nothing more than hate and ignorance.

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josh

[quote=lagatta]

While I don't particularly like the term "Islamophobia" for bigotry against Muslims (or against people presumed to be Muslims), it does seem to fit the bill in this racist triple murder: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/chapel-hill-shooting-cr...

If the murderous arsehole just had an animus towards "theists", there was certainly no shortage of Christian churches in his part of the world.

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Fox "news" might as well have pulled the trigger.  Their nearly daily dose of anti-Muslim diatribe and fear mongering makes them today's Der Sturmer.

wage zombie

[quote=Mr. Magoo]

[quote]We just want them to compare Islam with their self-proclaimed secular-liberal religion[/quote]

A secular religion is like a "vegan" meatball.  Which is to say, just sillytalk.

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That's your opinion.

Mr. Magoo

And it's your opinion that it's my opinion.  And, to be fair, my opinion that it's your opinion that it's my opinion.

Glad we can be transparent about this.  Wink

bagkitty bagkitty's picture

Obviously secularism needs the equivalent of a pope. If elected, I promise the the secular equivalent of the Inquisition.

lagatta

bagkitty, can I be the antipope? (or antipapess). We need a Great Schism.

Secular religion is at most a metaphor. And secular doesn't even necessarily mean atheist. It refers to the strict separation of religious authority (often called "Church" in predominantly Christian societies) and government, or state, and the neutrality of the state.

I don't think the "excesses" of secularism derive from secularism at all, but from authoritarianism. Stalinism, of course (and the extreme of Albania's outlawing of religion), but also the way secularism and modernization was enforced, for examply in Turkey. Though modernization has been enforced elsewhere, without secularism, as in Russia under Peter the Great.

And I do favour a type of secular charter here in Québec, but such a charter would have to attack the privileges of the Catholic Church (and of established Protestant ones) first and foremost. Such as removing the crucifix from the National Assembly, but more important, no funding of any private schools, including religion-based schools.

6079_Smith_W

Indeed. I let that one pass (and thought perhaps it might), but if anyone thinks there aren't cult and control equivalents in non-religious thinking, they might want to look a bit more at the evidence they claim to worship.

 

Bacchus

[quote=Mr. Magoo]

"All we're saying is give superstitious magic a chance!"

{quote]We just want them to compare Islam with their self-proclaimed secular-liberal religion[/quote]

A secular religion is like a "vegan" meatball.  Which is to say, just sillytalk.

 

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Sorry Magoo but Vegan Meatballs

montrealer58 montrealer58's picture

Ideology and Nationalism and Theology are all related.
All have taken lives needlessly.
Some will kill for an ideal, some will kill for an 'ancestral homeland' and some kill for a god.
All of these things describe an "us" and "them".
Anyone who advocates the harm of others using any of these things as an excuse is an extremist.
Anyone who actually harms others is a violent extremist
Saying that a person is an [insert religion/nationality/ideology here] terrorist just fans the flames more.
To get to a state of peaceful coexistence we do not fan the flames more.

We have to have an even hand when judging all of this.
We have to judge each case on its own merits, or be tyrants ourselves. 
We have to ask ourselves how we found the truth. 

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

Any thread started by al-Qa'bong is, well, a chance for me to stick my Kilroyian nose in here.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

wage zombie

I can see how "secular religion" is not a very useful term due to its ambiguity.  Maybe "aspiritual religion" or "non-spiritual religion" is a better term.

I can't speak for Iranian politicians but when I hear the term "secular religion", I assume that secular is meant to mean worldly/temporal as opposed to spiritual.  I don't assume that "secular religion" is any kind of synonym for "secularism" as a social value.

Likewise I wouldn't use the terms "atheistic religion" or "non-theistic religion" due to a similar ambiguity, as I don't see "atheism" as any kind of a religion.

A lot of deplorable human behaviour is blamed on religion, I'd say justifiably so.  But removing belief in god from the equation doesn't seem to do much about the deplorable behaviour.

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

Mr. Magoo

[quote]they might want to look a bit more at the evidence they claim to worship.[/quote]

I don't "worship" evidence, I expect it.

For the record, I also don't "worship" math, I don't "worship" logic and I don't "worship" science.

Why is it just so very, very important to try to equate rationality with religion??  Is it to try to make them some how equal?

"You worship 2+2=4, and I worship God, who made the Earth out of His own sheer will 6,000 years ago, so really, we're both people of faith!!"

6079_Smith_W

It's deliberate hyperbolae Magoo, I figured it was obvious. Perhaps you aren't among the worshippers; me neither. My comment was directed at the many who are.

My point, there are cults and religions among the non-superstitious. But as I said, I was hoping to not revisit that perennial squabble in this thread. It is a bit too far off from this important  topic.

 

 

Mr. Magoo

Er, Ok.  You feel there are people who "worship" evidence?

Have I got the wrong end of it, or have I misunderstood?

Because IMHO, saying that someone "worships" evidence (or science, or math) is a total "tell", like when people say "cancer [i]industry[/i]" or "abortuary".

If you don't expect evidence of a claim, what are you willing to settle for?  Vehement opinions?  Strong beliefs shared by others?  Chicken entrails in a specific pattern?

 

RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

Any new terrorism measures?

RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

Depends on how you define evidence Mr. M. You seem to act like it's definitive when it's only corollary or impartial.

 

For the record, I deem evidence to be lacking in it's mainstream understanding. Perhaps that's necessary but it's still a shortcoming of our society in the race to who knows what.

6079_Smith_W

[quote=Mr. Magoo]

Er, Ok.  You feel there are people who "worship" evidence?

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Them that think because they don't believe in a god that they have a monopoly on rational thinking, actually, but are in fact just as blind and zealous as any true believer.  But again, if we really want to talk about that let's take it elsewhere. Or not.

 

lagatta

More on these hate crimes: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/11/family-north-carolina-sho...

I'm not a fan of any religion, but this was utterly horrible. They were fine young people, involved in dental charities and helping homeless people in their town, and I hope people are speaking out.

I am NOT this atheist arsehole.

RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

We all are complicit where this world takes us.

6079_Smith_W

And not just American... parliamentary secretary for multiculturalism asks Iranian Canadians "Why are you here?"

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/susan-khazaeli/chungsen-leung_b_6621386.html

lagatta

And of course it also shows that people who have been racialized themselves can treat other groups in the same manner. Sad.

Revolution, my reference was to Charlie Hebdo. I meant the fact that I'm an atheist does not associate me with that bastard. Of course no man (or woman) is an island and there are social, cultural and political reasons why people go off the rails like that.

Slumberjack

[quote=6079_Smith_W] Them that think because they don't believe in a god that they have a monopoly on rational thinking, actually, but are in fact just as blind and zealous as any true believer. [/quote]

That wouldn't necessarily be true if we're only talking about someone with a decent head start on the road toward rationality, as opposed to someone weighted down with ball and chain on the same journey.  If we're talking about monopoly, this is religion's bailiwick.  It's not as easily turned around onto someone who states that it just doesn't seem rational to subscribe to non-evidence.  It supports the original complaint of irrationality when the irrational attempts to roll that out as part of their argument.  A honest yearning for the truth might resemble zealotry in it's intensity, but it is another thing entirely from the type of zealotry that often springs out of nonsense, like religion.

Slumberjack

[quote=6079_Smith_W] but if anyone thinks there aren't cult and control equivalents in non-religious thinking, they might want to look a bit more at the evidence they claim to worship. [/quote]

If I subscribe to a system of non-belief in superstition, wherein the believers of superstition are to be judged and cast down into some fiery pit, or maybe confined behind barbed wire, then there could be some merit in your attempt at equivalency.  I don't know that there has ever been such a system, cult or following devised for the sake of non-belief.

wage zombie
Slumberjack

Not that old discredited canard.  You might as well toss in Hitler and Stalin while you're at it wz.  No one has ever said that they were going to build their atheist society atop of mountains of skulls, and proceed accordingly.  A-theism might have been useful in weaning people of superstition and onto whatever new state religion was being implemented, such as various extreme versions of communism or the cult of individuals like Stalin, Hitler, Pot, etc.  The cause was always something else, not in the name of secularism.

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