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Are the people who put hatred of Hillary above all else happy, now?

Ken Burch
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There is a very good chance you're going to get your wish and Donald Fucking Trump will be president.


All hope for anything in the U.S. will be dead for years to come, if not forever, if that happens.



This is Germany, 1933 right now, folks.


Race War, uncontrolled resource extraction, MORE slaughter in the Middle East.

The repeal of the Affordable Care Act and nothing put in in its place.

But at least some people are preserving their purity.

 


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Bec.De.Corbin
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Aristotleded24
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Ken Burch wrote:
There is a very good chance you're going to get your wish and Donald Fucking Trump will be president.

No no no no no. People will make their choices, and it's up to each individual candate to try and win over the voters. For Clinton to lose this election, given her name recognition, networks within the Democratic Party, a media machine that was solidly behind her in the early days, and the observation that Trump is a complete buffoon, you have to be pretty horrible to lose in this climate. If you want someone to blame for Clinton losing, try blaming Hillary Clinton.

Ken Burch wrote:
Race War, uncontrolled resource extraction, MORE slaughter in the Middle East.

Which is pretty much what we have going on right now.

Ken Burch wrote:
The repeal of the Affordable Care Act and nothing put in in its place.

Obamacare was essentially a giveaway to insurance companies that still left people without coverage. Obama could have expanded Medicare long ago early in his mandate when he had the political capital, but he chose not to.


Martin N.
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People are not voting for Trump, per se, they are voting against the system - against the Clinton machine.

alan smithee
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Bravo,well done America. I hope you enjoy your choice. You'll be begging for Obama this time next year.


Timebandit
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Financial markets diving.

Misfit
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This is totally fucking evil!!!

Ken Burch
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Aristotleded24 wrote:

Ken Burch wrote:
There is a very good chance you're going to get your wish and Donald Fucking Trump will be president.

No no no no no. People will make their choices, and it's up to each individual candate to try and win over the voters. For Clinton to lose this election, given her name recognition, networks within the Democratic Party, a media machine that was solidly behind her in the early days, and the observation that Trump is a complete buffoon, you have to be pretty horrible to lose in this climate. If you want someone to blame for Clinton losing, try blaming Hillary Clinton.

Ken Burch wrote:
Race War, uncontrolled resource extraction, MORE slaughter in the Middle East.

Which is pretty much what we have going on right now.

Ken Burch wrote:
The repeal of the Affordable Care Act and nothing put in in its place.

Obamacare was essentially a giveaway to insurance companies that still left people without coverage. Obama could have expanded Medicare long ago early in his mandate when he had the political capital, but he chose not to.

What part of "there was no chance of stopping Trump without voting Hillary" did you not understand?  The differences were not meaningless(although I agree with you that Hillary ran a horrible campaign) and now a huge number of innocent people are going to suffer because of the attitude your post embodied.


voice of the damned
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I think I'm in the middle on this. Trump will be as bad as Ronald Reagan, but probably not as bad as George W. Bush. In fact, my main worry is that, like Reagan, he really won't take much direct interest in governing, but rather delegate things out to Republican hacks.

And yes, government by a dimwit under the sway of hacks would have been eenough to make me vote Democrat.


Cody87
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I don't have a lot to say. Only two things.

First, with respect to the title, I don't think many people who held their nose to vote Trump hated Clinton to nearly the degree that they feared her.

Second, I have bounced between CNN and NBC all night, with some social media mixed in. Pundits on both stations continue to say "nobody expected Trump to (win more Latinos than Romney)(win in the rustbelt)(have such a high turnout)". Also things like "all the polls were wrong who could have guessed?" Plenty of people were saying/expected it. Just not connected people.

I do feel bad for the millions of Americans who have been lied to, but worse for the millions who have been lied about.


bekayne
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Cody87 wrote:

I do feel bad for the millions of Americans who have been lied to

Those that believed Trump?


Aristotleded24
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bekayne wrote:

Cody87 wrote:

I do feel bad for the millions of Americans who have been lied to

Those that believed Trump?

And Clinton.


NDPP
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Hillary Clinton Will Not Speak Tonight: Her Campaign Manager Tells Supporters To Go Home

https://t.co/eSW5ejmesq

"Clinton should have addressed supporters - people waited for hours....Lady Gaga crying backstage."


Ken Burch
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Indeed.  Everything good in the country is nearly dead tonight. 


jambo101
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Cody87 wrote:

 Also things like "all the polls were wrong who could have guessed?"

  Odd that almost every poll was wrong,i dont trust this electronic ballot as a means of voting as there is a possibility it could have been manipulated.


wage zombie
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Don't blame Canadian babblers for Clinton being an atrocious loser.


jjuares
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I am reading Thomas Frank's "Listen Liberals". In it he argues that the Democrats abandoned the working class. Tonight it seems that the working class abandoned the Democrats.

josh
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jjuares wrote:
I am reading Thomas Frank's "Listen Liberals". In it he argues that the Democrats abandoned the working class. Tonight it seems that the working class abandoned the Democrats.
It's the same argument he made in 2004 in What's the Matter With Kansas. What I don't get is how a white working class voter in places like Michigan and Wisconsin could vote for Obama in 2012 when economic conditions were worse, and turn around and vote for Trump.

jjuares
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josh wrote:
jjuares wrote:
I am reading Thomas Frank's "Listen Liberals". In it he argues that the Democrats abandoned the working class. Tonight it seems that the working class abandoned the Democrats.
It's the same argument he made in 2004 in What's the Matter With Kansas. What I don't get is how a white working class voter in places like Michigan and Wisconsin could vote for Obama in 2012 when economic conditions were worse, and turn around and vote for Trump.
I believe that Obama was offering a populist image much like Trump was. Populism can be right or left wing. Clinton with the emails, foundation, and the war vote was such a flawed candidate. And she was not credibile as a populist.

josh
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Obama isn't really a populist, as his support of the TPP can attest. And given his race, the argument that these particular voters voted for Trump,because of racism really doesn't hold water.

swallow
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jjuares wrote:
I am reading Thomas Frank's "Listen Liberals". In it he argues that the Democrats abandoned the working class. Tonight it seems that the working class abandoned the Democrats.

He may have a point. But please, please, let's not write "working class" when we mean "white working class." Let's not assume whiteness. The numbers show there's no "post-racial America." 


swallow
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Ken and others in the USA: sending you love at a dark time. 

I think it means people need to resist, and not believe government will deliver change. Only people standing together and resisting will do that. (Mourn, then organize, to mangle the slogan.) 


Pondering
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No one represents the 99%. Bernie Sanders would have beaten Trump. Canada is no better. We only have neoliberal parties to choose from.

Anti-establishment sentiment is rising and it is the right who has tapped into it while the left is split between sell-outs and extremists.


6079_Smith_W
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swallow wrote:

not believe government will deliver change.

Actually government can and does deliver change. Sometimes very, very bad change.

This was not a meaningless decision, there will be consequences, and no, the natural healthy state of things is not people constantly under assault from their government.

I know you are trying to say something supportive, but I have dealt with one too many people trying to downplay the significance of this.

 


swallow
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You may be right Winston. No intention to downplay the significance of the triumph of racist elites and a billionaire hatemonger. But you know what my intent was, anyway. 


iyraste1313
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The election of Trump means the death of corporate globalization...we are now to watch the battle between Trump`s forces and the elites determined to crush him, somehow.......no doubt things will be bad...Trump will resort to even greater measures of control...but with the surveillance and control system well in place, thanks to those both so called left and right...it means the revival of a populist progressive movement in the States.......

In Canada? Watch out! the tentacles of their system of control will quickly infuse our own!

Maybe now? Maybe! People will wake up and begin getting it together, with some serious and fundamental vision....

*and extremists.*...I suppose anyone left of Attila the Hun in Canada may be called an extremist!


swallow
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Bullshit. Trump embodies corporate rule. 

By the way re "working class" -

Quote:
Broken down by income bracket, 52% of voters earning less than $50,000 a year – who make up 36% of the electorate – voted for Clinton, and 41% for Trump. Among the 64% of American voters who earn more than $50,000 a year, 49% chose Trump and 47% for Clinton.

Exit polling


SeekingAPolitic...
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What can Canada learn from what happen in the us.  I have spent considerable amount of time on rabble trying push my theory that the same forces affecting europe and the usa are coming to Canada.  So I ask the leadership of the NDP to position themselves and take political advantage of what is coming.  No need to throw the ndp on its ear but consider for moment that being the defenders of the status quo is counterproductive.  Consider a adding little spice to the party messaging.  Why is the ndp afraid of a little populaism and talking about class.  Experiment with it and see if it pays off.  When the strom comes be able to respond.  I dont want anyone suffer from whats coming, i am not cheering for it.  I just believe its coming to canada.


Pondering
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iyraste1313 wrote:

The election of Trump means the death of corporate globalization...we are now to watch the battle between Trump`s forces and the elites determined to crush him, somehow.......no doubt things will be bad...Trump will resort to even greater measures of control...but with the surveillance and control system well in place, thanks to those both so called left and right...it means the revival of a populist progressive movement in the States.......

In Canada? Watch out! the tentacles of their system of control will quickly infuse our own!

Maybe now? Maybe! People will wake up and begin getting it together, with some serious and fundamental vision....

*and extremists.*...I suppose anyone left of Attila the Hun in Canada may be called an extremist!

I should have said purists rather than extremists. The closest thing that comes to representing the 99% in Canada is The Leap Manifesto but the purist approach dooms it.

Ontario is more likely to go Conservative rather than NDP after the Liberals lose power. I don't think it's possible to destroy Trudeau but if it were it would only result in another Conservative win. Even if the NDP were to win they just want to soften the edges of neoliberalism not rock the boat.

Trump's win does not mean the death of corporatism. The US is not going to stop trading or stop warring. The oligarchs may not be able to extend their power through TPP and TIPP but the power they have is still considerable and well-consolidated. They can afford to ride out depressions and recessions and wars. The collapse of Greece has been an opportunity to buy properties cheap.

 


iyraste1313
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Trump's win does not mean the death of corporatism......

Some of the most powerful players are going to take a big hit! And they will fight back, no doubt...we are entering a period of great instability and certainly conflict at the top amongst the corporates...no corporatism perse is not dead, but the globalists amongst them are in trouble.......

As Trump tries to build a corporate sovereigntist economy, he may be pushed to finance, subsidize national enterprises, thus the end of the free trade deals...

the best news of course is the MSM. They will fiercely fight Trump´s sovereigntist economics and politics, tooth and nail...so unwittingly, progressives for once will have an ally amongst these scoundrels...

But umtimately as always, it depends on people of vision to build an alternative...it will never be done from the top


quizzical
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how are they going to take a hit?

i don't believe for a minute Trump is going nationalist.


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