Asian Human Rights Commission report regarding treatment by Sinhalese forces of dead Tamil combatants.

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Asian Human Rights Commission report regarding treatment by Sinhalese forces of dead Tamil combatants.

SRI LANKA: The Exhibitionism of Necrophilia: The Subhuman in the Sinhala-Buddhist Psyche

LankaNewspaper.com

(Necrophilia, also called thanatophilia and necrolagnia, is the sexual attraction to corpses. It is classified as a paraphilia by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of the American Psychiatric Association.)

The sad part is, not even a Single Sinhalas in this forum condemned this most cruel act. The gruesome treatment of a woman, said to be an LTTE combatant, whose ordeal was recorded by video and published in two web sites. The Asian Human Rights Commission wrote to the UN Secretary, that as described in the videos, the naked body of this person is so gruesomely and disrespectfully treated in a manner that too difficult to describe.

The AHRC further said that, judging by the language used, the physical features and the names by which the persons addressed each other and their dress it was NOT DIFFICULT TO IDENTIFY THE PERPETRATORS.

The AHRC said that: It would not be difficult at all for the Sri Lankan government to investigate the matter if it had the political will to do so. Even though this has taken place within a war, most persons would categorize it as a most condemnable and cruel act which would require action on the part of any government.

The Sinhala politico-military regime`s deviation from reality by the abhorrent and convulsive display of naked dead bodies of enemy soldiers, in this case, black tiger LTTE commando unit in Anuradhapuram and this gruesome treatment of this Tamil woman corpse are blatant violations of the norms of war and is a bestial affirmation of a State`s moral bankruptcy.

In the past, whenever the government of Sri Lanka refused to receive the bodies of Sinhale soldiers, the LTTE cremated them with military honors. The ICRC is a witness to this reality.
Many IGOs and NGOs would confirm the fact that the LTTE learnt a great deal about the morality of war and peace in the past thirty years. But the Sinhalese who have been fighting to decimate the Tamils for the past twenty centuries have a long way to go in learning not only how to deal with the living but much more about how to deal with the dead in their own homes and outside. So I present below a few insights for their reflection.

What the Sinhalese government did this to this Tamil woman is a clear incident for a war crimes hearing in Den Hague, Holland.
The main obligation to the dead is now found in Article 15 of the First GENEVA CONVENTION . The thrust of that article is the need to aid the wounded. However, it also provides that the parties must at all times, and particularly after an engagement search for the dead and prevent their being despoiled. The article also says that whenever circumstances permit, an armistice should be concluded so as to facilitate the search for the wounded. Of course, while searching for the wounded, the dead would also be found.

The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) Commentary to the Geneva Convention says that the dead must be brought back along with the wounded. One reason for this is that in the highly charged atmosphere of the battlefield, it might not always be possible to determine who is really dead and who is seriously wounded. Another reason is that the laws of war require that an effort be made to identify the dead and to provide a proper burial.

The treatment of the battlefield dead can be divided into two aspects. First, there is a prohibition on deliberate mistreatment of the body, either through failure to treat it with appropriate respect or through mutilation. Second, there is a prohibition on pillaging the dead. These mandates concerning the dead are as much derived from the customary laws of war as from the Geneva Conventions.

Article 17 of the First Geneva Convention is concerned specifically with the burial of the battlefield dead. The bodies are to be examined, preferably by a person with medical skills, so as to confirm death. Burial is to be, where possible, in individual graves. The idea is that individual graves would be more consistent with the general requirement that the dead be respected, and also that individual burial would make subsequent exhumation easier. The requirement, however, is not absolute. Climate, sanitation, and hygiene may make mass burial the only proper action.

Where possible, the burial or cremation is to be done in accordance with the religious rites of the deceased. The bodies are to be grouped according to nationality and the cemeteries mapped in such a way as to make later exhumation easier. This is the core of the Geneva Convention duty to the dead they are to be treated honorably and their graves protected

Mutilation of the dead is actually a fairly rare occurrence in well-disciplined armies. This is probably as much the result of a general revulsion at such conduct as from a fear of criminal punishment.

The raison d`etre for protecting and honoring the dead is captured in the inscription on the Tomb of the Unknowns in Arlington Cemetery: Here Rests in Honored Glory an American Soldier Known But to God. That sentiment is not one peculiar to Americans. The Sinhala authorities who are prosecuting this war against their Tamil nationality with such subhuman treatment and disposition should learn more about THE RULES OF WAR than just killing the TAMILS a feat they have been engaging in with the advice of their monks for over twenty centuries.

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The Exhibitionism of Necrophilia: The Subhuman in the Sinhala-Buddhist Psyche. By: Giuseppe. C. Luciani

 

Here is the Direct link to the Asian Human Rights Commission:

http://www.ahrchk.net/ahrc-in-news/mainfile.php/2009ahrcinnews/2399/

Here is the video of the curel treatment of the dead bodies:

 

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Lard Tunderin Jeezus Lard Tunderin Jeezus's picture

I doubt the video link is required. I'm certainly not interested in seeing it.

M. Spector M. Spector's picture

Now there's a catchy thread-title for the rabble front page!

thirusuj

Lard Tunderin' Jeezus wrote:
I doubt the video link is required. I'm certainly not interested in seeing it.

Sorry, I should have used viewer's discretion on the post to the video.
I know it is hard to stomach but this is the reality of the Tamil people in the island of Ceylon, dead or alive, they are in a circle of endless suffering. The same can be said about the Palestinian people and many other nations of people who are suppressed by so called democratic states that are funded and supplied by the western governments with or without their knowledge (most of the time it is with their knowledge) to carry out uncivilized agendas.

Ze

I'm not entirely sure it's appropriate to be calling parts of the "Sinhala-Buddisht" psyche "subhuman," but then I can't follow what the article is actually referring to. 

thirusuj

Ze wrote:
I'm not entirely sure it's appropriate to be calling parts of the "Sinhala-Buddisht" psyche "subhuman," but then I can't follow what the article is actually referring to. 

 

The article is refering to the mistreatment of dead bodies (especially dead women) in the batttlefield by enemy combatants.

It's Me D

Thanks for posting this thirusuj, as horrifying as it is people need to be informed.

Ze wrote:
I'm not entirely sure it's appropriate to be calling parts of the
"Sinhala-Buddisht" psyche "subhuman," but then I can't follow what the
article is actually referring to.

The only use of the term "subhuman" in the article is:

Quote:
The Sinhala authorities who are prosecuting this war against their Tamil nationality with such subhuman treatment and disposition should learn more about THE RULES OF WAR than just killing the TAMILS a feat they have been engaging in with the advice of their monks for over twenty centuries. (emphasis mine)

Although I personally wouldn't object to classifying the perpetrators of these sick war crimes as "subhuman" I think the above sentence should be interpreted to suggest the perpetrators are treating their Tamil victims as subhuman (not applying human morality or the rules of war to their treatment of the bodies of their victims)... the title of the article suggests to me that it is examining the way the "Sinhala-Buddhist Psyche" dehumanizes the Tamil people. I could be wrong in that interpretation, but thats how it reads to me.

Ze

I was thinking of the thread title. But that makes things clearer, thanks. 

"Sinhala authorities" just seems to be saying that the Sinhala are the "bad guys," when I was thinking the problem lay in the Sri Lankan military and there were Sinhala dissidents -- just as there are dissidents within the Tamil community who call the LTTE a terrorist group and seek a Tamil state and human rights, through non-violent means. 

It's Me D

I beleive you're correct Ze, in saying that not all Sinhala support their government's prosecution of the Tamils over the years, or the genocidal operations currently underway in the north. Its a distinction that should be made, like the distinction between Americans and the Bush administration.

On the other hand like Americans many Sinhala have supported the regime and most have failled to oppose it. They do have the power to change their government's attitude towards the Tamils, as opposed to encouraging it, and while some principled dissidents exist, they don't represent the Sinhala mainstream.

I'd be interested to hear Thirusuj's opinion on this.

ETA: Another possible parallel would be Israel, because Sri Lanka as it currently exists is, like Israel, a state which defines itself by ethnicicty, in this case Sinhala, at the expense of other ethnic groups (in this case Tamils, but also Sri Lankan Muslims). The ethnocentricity of the Sri Lankan government is the reason that they are often referred to as Sinhala authorities or the Sinhala regime; with a more positive spin this is precisely how they (the government) refer to themselves.

thirusuj

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thirusuj

I couldn't have said it any better. Also Sri Lanka as it is legally recognized is the product of British Empire. In that island, there are two nations (it could be said three because there was one Tamil kingdom and two Sinhalese kingdoms) and they are both very distinct in terms of language, culture, religions, etc. Portuguese, then Dutch administered them separately. The British did as well, in the middle of their rule they decided to combine them for administrative purposes. The problem comes when the Sinhalese people refuse to accept this and those who accept it going further to say that "lets not separate or we won't allow it". In the meanwhile, the successive Sinhalese governments have not made the Tamils welcome to the idea of unification; also have damaged it further by inciting violence and disrespecting signed agreements between the two political sides. Eventually these actions led to the Tamil people calling for separation.

 

As for the regime, I as a Tamil see no change. You could have the most left wing or the most right wing politician and the policy of the state is unlikely to change in Sri Lanka. The policies are embedded into the Constitution, laws, every state institutions, education systems which breed the racism and the continuation of the ignorance by the majority Sinhalese. The few Sinhalese who rise to question are put down immediately by the extremists Sinhalese.

Ze

Last year I attended an exhibit of photos and other visuals at Roy Thomson Hall put on by a group of Tamils that was highly critical of two groups of killers (1) the Sri Lanka army and (2) the LTTE. They were saying that actually the LTTE kills more Tamils than the government, which is questionable but makes a point about trying to strive for a two-nation, non-violent peace movement. 

They thought such a thing was possible, and indeed necessary. But then of course they were in Canada, where Tamils face racism but usually not being killed simply for being Tamil. I wonder what you think, thirusuj. 

thirusuj

Ze,

I know the exact exhibition that you are talking about. It's called the Call of the Conscience Photographs & Documentaries on Sri Lanka organized by Manoranjan Selliah under the organization banner of International Forum for Peace and Justice in Sri Lanka. Many of the Tamil youths in Canada and around the world have a habit of researching the name of the person organizing it and finding their info and their affiliations. Since we know the inside stories in and out we know exactly who is doing what and the youths don't get fooled that easily.

There is an organization called Canadian Forum for Justice and Peace in Sri Lanka headed by a very active and a nice gentleman Mr. Sellathurai Loganathan and his Sinhalese wife (Mrs. Sumana Loganathan). Canadian Forum for Justice and Peace in Sri Lanka has good respects among the Tamil Canadian population as well as the Canadian public. Manoranjan Selliah has used the same name and cut the "Canadian" and replaced it with "International", hoping that the public will be easily fooled.

Manoranjan Selliah is affliated with the current Tamil United Liberation Front (TULF) President Veerasingham Anandasangaree, this is a man who have no political support from the Tamil people even though his party in the 70's were the champions and earned the massive support of the Tamil people (under the leadership of SJV Chelvanayagam who helped get the Vaddukodai Resolution and won the election the following year having this resolution as the election manifesto). The documents are available in previous rabble forum: Tamil people's right to Self-determination and Sri Lanka's denials
http://www.rabble.ca/babble/international-news-and-politics/tamil-people...

Veerasingham Anandasangaree would have a sour experience with the LTTE in the 80's and 90's and eventually landed in the hands of the Sinhalese politicians who use him to carry their agenda and media propaganda. He is one guy who is not elected by the Tamil people at the moment (for the last decade to be more correct) and claims to be speaking for the Tamil people and every time he is on the news, my dad has only one thing to say "This idiot has no shame".

Anyway, back to Manoranjan Selliah, he was funded by the Sri Lankan state to carry out the propaganda which ended in disaster as the exhibition was too costly and not enough buyers to the bullshit.

Let me explain, even though me and my friend knew all about it, we were interested in what he got to show. The false information was all over and anyone who don't have knowledge of the conflict could be easily mislead. Example, the list of killed people killed by the LTTE had Mahendrarajah (aka Mahattaya), he was the second in command of the LTTE at one point. He was one of the many effective commanders ever produced by the LTTE and was one of the men who united or decimated the other Tamil militant organizations who were compromising the Tamil people's right for quick cash and perks. What happened to him? LTTE is known to pursue the agenda of the Tamil people without the influence of outside actors and are careful about not falling into the geo-political interest of other nations. India's RAW (equivalent to CIA) was hoping somehow to get LTTE under their influence. They finally found the man, ironically it was Mahendrarajah, he was snapped from power by VELUPILLAI PRABHAKARAN when evidence were stacked against him, put on LTTE's military tribunal and executed for collaborating and damaging the struggle. On the same list it had many others that LTTE did not assassinate and was assassinated by other Tamil militant organizations, Sinhalese paramilitaries which are all blamed on LTTE.

Anyone with money can put up a show and say whatever they want. I recommend everyone to talk to a Tamil that you know, that you meet and get their opinion and hear their first hand experience. Don't just talk to one, talk to many as possible and see how they eventually end up in supporting the creation of Tamil Eelam.

thirusuj

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Ze

Thanks for posting all that, really interesting. I've been reading up on tamilnation.org to learn more. 

Minor suggestion: maybe keep all this stuff in a single thread, not a new thread for each new article? 

thirusuj

I will keep it in one thread, wish someone would have said it ealier.

thirusuj
Frustrated Mess Frustrated Mess's picture

I wish the men and women who ordered and consucted war were always the first victims of war and then, perhaps, they would also be the only victims. Unfortunately, human societies still glorify war no matter that war is the ascent of evil over rationality. Yes, humans glorify evil.

 

thirusuj

Part 5: Are the Tamil Tigers being declawed in Toronto?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090129.wtamils29/BNStory/National/home

Click on to the Comment section......It is really intresting.

It's Me D

Thirusuj: Thanks for all the articles, that last one was quite bizare (racist comments aside); this part particularly:

Quote:
Moderate Tamil politicians have been visiting from Sri Lanka "to speak to Tamils and say, 'Look, there are other options besides the Tigers,' " while police, emboldened by the ban and growing co-operation from disaffected Tamils, have stepped up efforts to soften Tiger sympathies.

Most recently, members of a joint federal, provincial and local anti-terrorism force targeted Heroes' Day, the Tigers' annual Nov. 27 commemoration of war dead. Normally, the Tigers press Tamil shopkeepers to close for the day, and oblige people to attend. This time, police leaned on the Tigers, photographing licence plates at participating banquet halls. They even mounted the official platform and started "flipping the caps off the heads of uniformed Tigers onstage," Mr. Thompson said.

Yeah, police intimidation! What great news! Seriously WTF?!? Why would any Canadian celebrate that our police have been "emboldened" to harass and intimidate a minority group in our society?

thirusuj

"Uniformed Tigers" on stage were the performers.

The tigers don't press the shops to close and so on as thier is no Tigers in Canada.....Tamils do it to respect those who scarified their life for the Tamil people's demands.

It was very disturbing to have law enforcement officials photograph the vehicles parked outside of the people who came to offer flower to those who have died....I remember one of my friend went up to one of the officer and said "we are filming this event with better quality then your camcorder and we would be more then happy to provide you with a copy", he had a shocked look and after a little while he put his camcorder away.

"Moderate Tamil politicians have been visiting from Sri Lanka", now these are the people the Tamil people despise as they compromise and gets perks for representing themselves as "moderate Tamil politicians." These politicans get no attention from the Tamil community, only thing they manage to pull up is media stunt from National post and so on.

Once the Tigers are defeated and the Tamil population is crushed by the military might to the agenda of the Sri Lankan government, these Tamil moderate politicians will drop from media and never be heard again.

The change can only come from international mobilization in voicing for the Tamil people's right to self-determination.

thirusuj

What's more bizarre is this from part 5:

"They are in a panic over what to do," Mr. Benedict said, estimating that "99.9 per cent" of Toronto's Tamils support the Tigers' goals, if not always their methods.

So Mr. Benedict admits that pretty much the Tigers have 99.9% support from the Canadian Tamils and he represents the remaining 0.1%. Yet the Canadian government, the media all give importance to this 0.1% and totally ignoring the 99.9%. Democracy is a joke and I can tell you as a Tamil we learned it the hard way.

Stockholm

"Tamils do it to respect those who scarified their life for the Tamil people's demands."

If only people would stop "sacrificing their lives" for any cause - we would have peace in the world. I wish people would all just decide that NOTHING was worth dying for and that people who claim to be "martyrs" for some cause or other instead be regarded as idiots throwing away their lives for nothing.

It's Me D

Stockholm wrote:
If only people would stop "sacrificing their lives" for any cause - we would have peace in the world. I wish people would all just decide that NOTHING was worth dying for and that people who claim to be "martyrs" for some cause or other instead be regarded as idiots throwing away their lives for nothing.

Easy to say but you've ignored the reality that often (as is the case for Sri Lanka's Tamils) doing nothing as you suggest still means dying at the hands of a brutal regime bent on their elimination; and by doing nothing they gaurantee the same fate for their children and the rest of their people. Your suggestion would make things easier for murderers and oppressors the world over however, if not for their victims. "Peace in the world" through ethnic cleansing and genocide is not the vision of world peace we dream of; I'm not sure about you though.

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Sri Lanka has been overlooked for too long. The war has been going on for a generation, with the Sri Lankan military trying now to end it all with a paroxysm of violence.

This is what happens when States are allowed to get away with bloody murder. That's why we have international law, as toothless as that has become. Once aggression goes unpunished, there is no moral sanction left to prevent further wars.

thirusuj
Stockholm

"Easy to say but you've ignored the reality that often (as is the case for Sri Lanka's Tamils) doing nothing as you suggest still means dying at the hands of a brutal regime bent on their elimination;"

Except that if NO ONE was willing to risk their lives for any cause - there would be no soldiers in the Sri Lankan army either. Also, if the Tamil Tigers never existed there would be no reason for there to be any conflict, life would just go on and there would be a few petty laws discriminating against the Tamils. But I still stand by my view that NOTHING is worth dying for. If I'm a Tamil, why would I want to be a suicide bomber against the Sinhala when once I'm dead I will never enjoy any benefits of my actions.

I just object to the whole sanctimonious notion of martyrdom. THERE IS NO GOD SO ENJOY LIFE!!!

thirusuj

"Also, if the Tamil Tigers never existed there would be no reason for there to be any conflict, life would just go on and there would be a few petty laws discriminating against the Tamils."

Tamil Tigers came into existence because the Sinhalese armed forces, police and thugs were going around, killing, raping and looting the Tamils. Laws discriminating the Tamils were passed 25 years before the Tigers were born. Please learn the histroy.

Stockholm

I'm sure there are two sides to every story. Unfortunately these etnnic conflicts eventually take on a life of their own and the original issues get lost.  More recently there were peace negotiations and treaties that would have given the tamils autonomy in a federal state and then it all fell apart when extremists on both sides went berserk. The Tamils didn't do their cause much good when they decided to murder Rajiv Gandhi which caused whatever sympathy their cause ever had in India to evaporate.

thirusuj

Excuse me, Rajiv Gandhi murder is blamed on the LTTE, the investigation is still on and the verdict has not been delivered. Immature on your part to accuse the Tamils or the LTTE on this issue. Jain commission report accuses the congress party and many others for this including LTTE. You need to know that when that killing happened none of the Congress party members were at that rally including his alliance partners. Again read the history. Misinformed people and people who jump into conclusion are one source of the problem.

thirusuj

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RevolutionPlease RevolutionPlease's picture

Thanks thirusuj with posts about facts on the ground.  Just try to ignore Stockholm's "expertise" on every issue in the world, especially ethnic ones.

Stockholm

I'm sure that if a Sinhala posted here we would get a totally opposite perspective and a very different version of history. Why should i accept the Tamil version at face value when there is obviously a huge number of Sri Lankans on the other side. and since about 99% of Sri Lankans in Canada are Tamil - we tend not to hear the Sinhala perspective. I'm not saying who's right and who's wrong - but i refuse to just accept the Tamil Tiger perspective as the gospel without hearing what the other side has to say. 

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Then show us the other side with some links.  Don't just make unfounded assumptions about martyrs.

Stockholm

Regardless of who is right and who is wrong - one thing I believe with all my heart is that people who are willing to die for a cause are simply STUPID. NOTHING is ever worth dying for. If Canada was invaded, I can tell you right now that I would never give any consideration to blowing myself up to kill the  "enemy" I just don't believe that it ever sefrves any purpose to be a "kamikaze". Living is ALWAYS better than dying.

Those idiot suicide bombers for the Tamil Tigers and just numbskulls that get duped by the cowardly leaders of the movement who depend on finding feeble minded people who are willing to sacrifice their lives while the "leaders" stay clear of any physical danger to themselves.

I'm not singling out the Tamils. I think that dying on purpose for a cause is idiotic and that includes Hindus widows immolating themselves and also those dumb Israelites at Masada that killed themselves rather that live under Roman rule. DUMB DUMB DUMB. Its always better to be alive than dead - even if you might have to assimilate to something you might not think you like right now. If I was a Tamil in Sri Lanka, I'd learn Sinhala and turn my back on Tamil culture if it meant I could live to a ripe old age rather than blowing myself up as a young adult.

Stockholm

BTW: I'm surprised that no one has lodged a complaint about the racist title of this string implying that Sinhalese Buddhist culture believes in necrophilia. If someone posted a thread saying that about Muslims - they would be summarily banned from babble for the rest of their live.

thirusuj

Stockholm,

LTTE did not have suicide bombers when they started the armed struggle. It was after almost 7 years into the battle that they decided to aim to have suicide bombing as one of their tactics. Simple reason; one life being scarified to achieve the target rather then 100 lives marching and dyeing to take the same target.

“If I was a Tamil in Sri Lanka, I'd learn Sinhala and turn my back on Tamil culture if it meant I could live to a ripe old age rather than blowing myself up as a young adult.”

Sorry to disappoint you, Tamil people have strong will and a cowardly act like this will not happen. Have everyone acted like you, one language and one religion would have been forced down the throat of the entire humanity by force. Which is disgusting!!!!!

“Tamil Tiger perspective”

The goal of LTTE is not something that they invented; it is the Tamil people’s goal that which was overwhelmingly endorsed by democratic say in the 1977.

http://rabble.ca/babble/international-news-and-politics/tamil-people%E2%80%99s-right-self-determination-and-sri-lanka%E2%80%99s-denia

About the title, I did not come up with that title; it was taken straight out the original article. Their actions fits the title as well.

Stockholm

"Simple reason; one life being scarified to achieve the target rather then 100 lives marching and dyeing to take the same target."

If you think being a suicide bomber is such a great idea - have you considered blowing yourself up in order to advance the cause of Tamil independence - or do you only think suicide bombing is a good as long as other people are killing themselves?

thirusuj

I suggest you watch “My Daughter the Terrorist” http://www.snitt.no/mdtt/index.htm

Seriously Stockholm, Not everyone can go join the Suicide unit of the Tamil Tigers, Tigers have a long procedure.

Watch the documentary and you will see……..

I am guessing “determination” is not part of your vocabularies!!!!

Stockholm

Oh I see, so you have to be vetted before you are "lucky" enough to be accepted for the "honor" (sic.) of killing yourself at a young age and taking as many other people down with you as you can. There are words for this - PATHOLOGICAL AND EVIL.

This has got to be a first for babble - someone calling another ethnic group "sub-human" and glorifying suicide/homocide bombings.

It's Me D

Stockholm is just lying thirusuj, so don't bother yourself, even though what he says can be deeply offensive. This is usual for him.

Stockholm wrote:
I'm sure that if a Sinhala posted here we would get a totally opposite perspective and a very different version of history. Why should i accept the Tamil version at face value when there is obviously a huge number of Sri Lankans on the other side. and since about 99% of Sri Lankans in Canada are Tamil - we tend not to hear the Sinhala perspective. I'm not saying who's right and who's wrong - but i refuse to just accept the Tamil Tiger perspective as the gospel without hearing what the other side has to say.

You tend not to hear the Sinhala perspective??? Are you daft? All you hear in the MSM media is the Sinhala perspective: they are fighting terrorists who cannot be negotiated with an must be killed, while killing the terrorists they do no wrong and never harm civilians, also the SLA has a 20-1 kill ratio against the LTTE; every person killed by the SLA is a terrorist. Thats what you hear every single time Sri Lanka is reported on in the MSM, even Al Jazeera parrots these lies. Its preferential treatment Israel could even be jealous of so don't worry the Sinhala perpective is well publicized, it is the official position of western governments re: Sri Lanka. Also, as thirusuj said to you already, the idea that there is a Sinhala perspective and a "Tamil Tiger perspective" is racist and perpetrates the Sinhala regime's stranglehold on international public opinion which casts all Tamils as terrorists.

Stockholm wrote:
Regardless of who is right and who is wrong - one thing I believe with all my heart is that people who are willing to die for a cause are simply STUPID. NOTHING is ever worth dying for.

So your problem is dying? Killing with little risk to oneself is alright yeah? Your hypocricy is carefully crafted Stockholm, you're now able to support genocide like in Gaza or Sri Lanka while condemning resistance movements like the LTTE... all on the grounds that well financed American-backed genocide doesn't put the perpetrators at much risk of dying, while resistance movements use desperate tactics like suicide bombing where you accept a mission knowing you will not return to your family. If you really believed in peace you'd at least phrase your opposition to KILLING, not dying; but you obviously have less problem with killing...

Stockholm wrote:
If I was a Tamil in Sri Lanka, I'd learn Sinhala and turn my back on Tamil culture if it meant I could live to a ripe old age rather than blowing myself up as a young adult.

Who the fuck cares? Even though this is a lie and although you'll never be forced to actually face the genocidal discrimination the Sri Lankan Tamils face still it doesn't matter what you'd do. The Tamil, as thirusuj said, are not cowards and will not abandon their way of life to live as sheep under a repressive state; whether you share this with them or not isn't of any significance to their right to self-determination.

Stockholm wrote:
I'm surprised that no one has lodged a complaint about the racist title of this string implying that Sinhalese Buddhist culture believes in necrophilia.

I invite you to read the whole thread as the title was discussed upthread and it is completely appropriate. Also the thread has been running for some time so I assume the moderators have considered the title in light of its discussion here in the thread and have disagreed with your view on censorship.

Stockholm wrote:
If you think being a suicide bomber is such a great idea - have you considered blowing yourself up in order to advance the cause of Tamil independence - or do you only think suicide bombing is a good as long as other people are killing themselves?

Thirusuj alread provided you with a good answer on this subject and I suggest you watch the documentary he provided (I know I will, thanks thirusuj!); to add to this answer: suicide bombers go to their deaths for the rest of their people who stay alive, they would rather know that those who remain continue the struggle... the idea that any group who is driven to suicide bombing should all just kill themselves is beyond foolish... those who make this sacrifice do so in order that other DON'T have to die, so don't worry they wouldn't consider thirusuj or anyone else a coward for continuing the struggle for self-determination in other ways... ways such as talking to idiots like you on Babble Tongue out

Stockholm

Gee do you also have a soft spot in your heart for Japanese kamikaze pilots during WW2? Or maybe you think the 19 suicidal killers on Sept. 11 are great martyrs to some cause. Maybe you also think that people who want Quebec to be an independent country should start strapping on dynamite and blowing themselves up on Parliament Hill - all to martyrs to the Quebecois nation. where will this all end?

I was actually neutral in terms of taking sides between the Sinhala and the Tamils in Sri Lanka - but after reading some of pathological crap justifying suicide bombings and calling Sinhala Buddhists "sub-human necrophiliacs" I'm becoming increasingly sympathetic to the Sinhala side of the conflict. If this is an example of the mentality they are up against.

thirusuj

glorifying suicide/homocide bombings. 

I am not glorifying it and I am definitely not going to demonize it either. Obviously you have no attachment to the people who are oppressed and would prefer to just sit and label people terrorists without hearing their case.  

“PATHOLOGICAL AND EVIL” would also refer to people who prefer to invade countries for mineral, kill for land, subjugate people, any type of human rights violation, supporting illegal methods, I can go on listing it……… 

“Maybe you also think that people who want Quebec to be an independent country should start strapping on dynamite and blowing themselves up on Parliament Hill - all to martyrs to the Quebecois nation. where will this all end?” 

English Canada is not stupid and full of low life to deny French Canada their democratic aspirations by peaceful means. Stop comparing a circle and a square. Not all Canadian leaders were visionaries, but Canada sure produced many while Sri Lanka produced none. 

“Gee do you also have a soft spot in your heart for Japanese kamikaze pilots during WW2?” 

Maybe you need to read on Japanese culture on Honor and the life of samurais to understand the kamikaze and the extent they faced to become kamikaze during ww2.

Stockholm

"Maybe you need to read on Japanese culture on Honor and the life of samurais to understand the kamikaze".

I've read about it. I think its revolting and inhumane.I prefer peace and non-violence and not thse sadistic "warrior cultures".

thirusuj

"I prefer peace and non-violence and not thse sadistic "warrior cultures"."

You should have been born as a Tamil in Sri Lanka or Palestinian in Gaza and other occupied territories to understand the non-existence respect for non-violence.

Your novel idea of non-violence is great for fiction stories but not for reality. Especially when a community tried so hard with non-violence/ peaceful methods only to end up getting slaughtered mercilessly.

thirusuj

I wonder where we would be if the PM of Britain, The President of USA, Joseph Stalin of USSR tired the non-violence method with Hitler of Germany?

Stockholm

That sounds like the arguments neo-cons used to justify invading Iraq etc...

It's Me D

Stockholm wrote:
That sounds like the arguments neo-cons used to justify invading Iraq etc...

Yeah I can think of no better comparison than the USA and the Sri Lankan Tamils, their situations are practically identical when you think about it.

Stockholm

Well your buddy is trying to compare the conflict between tamils and Sinhala in Sri Lanka to the allies stopping Hitler in World War Two.

It's Me D

If you read his post thirusuj was trying to compare responses to non-violence by genocidal regimes, Hitler's Germany and Raja's Sri Lanka; there are differences in scale but both regimes are bent on genocide against a minority group and have no tolerance for non-violent disent and used violence to crush it. That comparison is not unreasonable however his attempts to argue this with you are, because you know you do not believe in non-violence anyway, you just don't think the oppressed should fight back.

Stockholm

The Sinhala feel they are the ones who have been historically oppressed by the Tamils who were given disproportionate powers by the British when Sri Lanka was a colony. As usual these ethnic quarrels always degenerate into two sides arguing over who is the true victim. We saw the same thing between Serbs and Croats and Bosnians. Everyone has their own version of history. Everyone has their own pantheon of martyrs.

Fuck the lot of them.

Let's all speak Esperanto and just be citizens of the world!

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