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contrarianna wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

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Assange will rot in prison. Beautifu,Excellent. Where he belongs. Throw away the key. Have fun in a federal prison, hopefully Walla Walla,Sing Sing or San Quentin. Ciao you Republican troll.

Another wallow in hate from a fascistically-minded "progressive" who supports the bi-partisan Trump Republican-Democrat prosecution of Assange, for printing leaked emails of corruption that are 100% accurate and resulted in one corrupt DNC official losing her job.

But, no, wait, apparently he's NOT fascistically-minded after all, he doesn't want to imprison for life in solitary ALL whistleblowers and publishers, merely those publishers who print verified FACTS he doesn't like, and doesn't want people to see.

Sooo  much better if people who ran the US thought like this--(uhh, oh yeah, they do).

lol....seriously,this man played a roll in creating Donald Trump's presidency. Hence he's a Republican troll..To hell with him.

This post is really for the consideration of rational readers since smithee, spouting obscenities, had before  called me a "Republican" and "troll" and claimed he wouldn't respond anymore.  Amusingly, during the first few of my 12 years here I was often called a "Liberal" for criticizing the rightward drift of the NDP.  I suppose it's only a matter of time before I'm labeled a "Russian troll".

As far as "trolling" goes, compare the content-vacant gleeful incitement I responded to, versus  my (at least rudimentary) argument against political and censorship-driven imprisonment. 

The "case" for Assange's further imprisonment seems to be that he aided Trump by Wikileaks publishing leaked emails that put Clinton and the DNC in a bad light.  That they put Clinton and the DNC in a bad light is undeniable; that they resulted in Trump's election is highly debatable--but not relevant to the desire for censorship-based imprisonment.

The passion for imprisonment seems to be partly based on the assumed bias of the publisher--the claim that Assange favoured Trump over Clinton in the election.  I'd guess that this is quite likely true given Clinton's past role in targetting Assange and that out of self-interest (and his very self-deluded hope} that the Trump-led administration would drop the already extant sealed indictement against him instead what they did--ramping up the persecution.

I would hope that most people would not endorse imprisonment based on the political bias of publishers (gosh, what could go wrong there!).

It's as if CNN, Fox, MSNBC, Washington Post, RT, Guardian, BBC, etc, didn't promote or denigrate politcal figures according to their bias, or have a state-centric political bias that shapes what they publish.  A major difference being that they often, to varying degrees, publish false information--unlike the Wikileak's main site for leaks.

A subset of the Wikileaks is biased  narrative is that Wikileaks/Assange timed the release of emails to hurt Clinton, as another reason to justify imprisonment. Whether it did or not, it's hardly a leap of imagination to think this happens with corporaate media regularly.
A particularly glaring case of timing bias governing publication is the NYT suppressing publication of NYT story mass illegal domestic surveiilence which could have affected the GW Bush re-election: 

One of the most notorious examples was in mid-2004 when the New York Times discovered - thanks to a courageous DOJ whistleblower - that the Bush administration was eavesdropping on the electronic communications of Americans without the warrants required by the criminal law. But after George Bush summoned to the Oval Office the paper's publisher (Arthur Sulzberger) and executive editor (Bill Keller) and directed them to conceal what they had learned, the NYT complied by sitting on the story for a-year-and-a-half: until late December, 2005, long after Bush had been safely re-elected.... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/feb/07/saudi-arabia-drone...

Should these NYT editors be imprisoned for life for delaying the publication of something that might have hurt the re-election of GW Bush, the greatest war criminal--so far--in the 21st century (now fawned over by many Democrats for simply being not-Trump)?

Despite the repugnant nature of the editors decision, I believe most thinking people would consider it a slide far down the slippery slope to totalitarianism, and that it would give a green light for arbitrary journalist oppression for anyone in power.

The Trump administration, so far, still lags far behind GW Bush's body count and wars of aggression.  This could change very quickly with his fattened coterie of Bush-era neocon and  hawks Pompeo, Bolton, Abrams, Pence etc. that shape the foreign policy of the  Criminal-in Chief.  Unfortunately, there is little real objection on this account from the so-called Resistence (  https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/01/24/so-called-trump-resistance-... ) on this, and often endorsment and egging on from the "liberal" press and minion states like Canada, as Bolton's "Troika of Tyranny" is targetted for regime change by the "Democracy of Decency (tm)".

The apparatus for security state and corporate surveillance and censorship/suppression/persecution has increased under the Trump administration, and most other states in the world. This is not a departure in kind from previous administrations but largely a matter of tighter corporate/state coalescence and technological advance. (ie. when they can do it, they will--and make big money too). The push to destroy voices that do not toe a particular partisan line, or bipartisan state-centric foreign policy, will no doubt proceed with increasing sophistication and, most unfortunately, with the avid approval of so many "progressives" as long as the victims are those they don't like. This a very major contribution to the growing tyranny.

FYI....I've been calling ASSANGE a Republican troll over and over in this thread. Why? Because that's exactly what he is.

I have called you absolutely no name. Not once. Not in any thread. I keep suggesting that people not forget what Assange is,he doesn't have any of my mercy.

So I hope that's clear and now can move on.

contrarianna

alan smithee wrote:

contrarianna wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

contrarianna wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

Assange will rot in prison. Beautifu,Excellent. Where he belongs. Throw away the key. Have fun in a federal prison, hopefully Walla Walla,Sing Sing or San Quentin. Ciao you Republican troll.

Another wallow in hate from a fascistically-minded "progressive" who supports the bi-partisan Trump Republican-Democrat prosecution of Assange, for printing leaked emails of corruption that are 100% accurate and resulted in one corrupt DNC official losing her job.

But, no, wait, apparently he's NOT fascistically-minded after all, he doesn't want to imprison for life in solitary ALL whistleblowers and publishers, merely those publishers who print verified FACTS he doesn't like, and doesn't want people to see.

Sooo  much better if people who ran the US thought like this--(uhh, oh yeah, they do).

lol....seriously,this man played a roll in creating Donald Trump's presidency. Hence he's a Republican troll..To hell with him.

This post is really for the consideration of rational readers since smithee, spouting obscenities, had before  called me a "Republican" and "troll" and claimed he wouldn't respond anymore.  Amusingly, during the first few of my 12 years here I was often called a "Liberal" for criticizing the rightward drift of the NDP.  I suppose it's only a matter of time before I'm labeled a "Russian troll".

As far as "trolling" goes, compare the content-vacant gleeful incitement I responded to, versus  my (at least rudimentary) argument against political and censorship-driven imprisonment. 

The "case" for Assange's further imprisonment seems to be that he aided Trump by Wikileaks publishing leaked emails that put Clinton and the DNC in a bad light.  That they put Clinton and the DNC in a bad light is undeniable; that they resulted in Trump's election is highly debatable--but not relevant to the desire for censorship-based imprisonment.

The passion for imprisonment seems to be partly based on the assumed bias of the publisher--the claim that Assange favoured Trump over Clinton in the election.  I'd guess that this is quite likely true given Clinton's past role in targetting Assange and that out of self-interest (and his very self-deluded hope} that the Trump-led administration would drop the already extant sealed indictement against him instead what they did--ramping up the persecution.

I would hope that most people would not endorse imprisonment based on the political bias of publishers (gosh, what could go wrong there!).

It's as if CNN, Fox, MSNBC, Washington Post, RT, Guardian, BBC, etc, didn't promote or denigrate politcal figures according to their bias, or have a state-centric political bias that shapes what they publish.  A major difference being that they often, to varying degrees, publish false information--unlike the Wikileak's main site for leaks.

A subset of the Wikileaks is biased  narrative is that Wikileaks/Assange timed the release of emails to hurt Clinton, as another reason to justify imprisonment. Whether it did or not, it's hardly a leap of imagination to think this happens with corporaate media regularly.
A particularly glaring case of timing bias governing publication is the NYT suppressing publication of NYT story mass illegal domestic surveiilence which could have affected the GW Bush re-election: 

One of the most notorious examples was in mid-2004 when the New York Times discovered - thanks to a courageous DOJ whistleblower - that the Bush administration was eavesdropping on the electronic communications of Americans without the warrants required by the criminal law. But after George Bush summoned to the Oval Office the paper's publisher (Arthur Sulzberger) and executive editor (Bill Keller) and directed them to conceal what they had learned, the NYT complied by sitting on the story for a-year-and-a-half: until late December, 2005, long after Bush had been safely re-elected.... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/feb/07/saudi-arabia-drone...

Should these NYT editors be imprisoned for life for delaying the publication of something that might have hurt the re-election of GW Bush, the greatest war criminal--so far--in the 21st century (now fawned over by many Democrats for simply being not-Trump)?

Despite the repugnant nature of the editors decision, I believe most thinking people would consider it a slide far down the slippery slope to totalitarianism, and that it would give a green light for arbitrary journalist oppression for anyone in power.

The Trump administration, so far, still lags far behind GW Bush's body count and wars of aggression.  This could change very quickly with his fattened coterie of Bush-era neocon and  hawks Pompeo, Bolton, Abrams, Pence etc. that shape the foreign policy of the  Criminal-in Chief.  Unfortunately, there is little real objection on this account from the so-called Resistence (  https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/01/24/so-called-trump-resistance-... ) on this, and often endorsment and egging on from the "liberal" press and minion states like Canada, as Bolton's "Troika of Tyranny" is targetted for regime change by the "Democracy of Decency (tm)".

The apparatus for security state and corporate surveillance and censorship/suppression/persecution has increased under the Trump administration, and most other states in the world. This is not a departure in kind from previous administrations but largely a matter of tighter corporate/state coalescence and technological advance. (ie. when they can do it, they will--and make big money too). The push to destroy voices that do not toe a particular partisan line, or bipartisan state-centric foreign policy, will no doubt proceed with increasing sophistication and, most unfortunately, with the avid approval of so many "progressives" as long as the victims are those they don't like. This a very major contribution to the growing tyranny.

FYI....I've been calling ASSANGE a Republican troll over and over in this thread. Why? Because that's exactly what he is.

I have called you absolutely no name. Not once. Not in any thread. I keep suggesting that people not forget what Assange is,he doesn't have any of my mercy.

So I hope that's clear and now can move on.

Perhaps, smithee, your lies are not deliberate. 
Perhaps your pervasive world of unhinged anger and irrational claims, they simply don't register anymore:

From the sooo progressive Fuck Free Speech thread:

alan smithee wrote:
...
And calling me a ' fascist' and a ' totalitarian' isn't dull-witted and infantile? LOL..You're a half wit and you must be a ' fake'  progressive  seeing that you are defending a Republican troll.

[contrariana] The bottom line is your gleeful wish to imprison in solitary those who you politically oppose. That is, by definition,  totalitarianism. 
For bi-partisan fascism to progress it doesn't require just the current disgusting extreme of Trump, or Pence--just more fake progressives who think like you.

You're an asshole. There  is nothing left for me to say to you. As I said,I'm not going to be banned at the hands of the likes of you.

Call me ridiculous names. It just proves you're a troll and you're not worth the time of day.

​It's too fucking bad that you get triggered when someone rightfully besmirches your cult leader.

Go yell at a cloud.

http://rabble.ca/comment/5418336#comment-5418336

Mobo2000

Always happy when I see a new contrianna post.  This is really well stated:

"The apparatus for security state and corporate surveillance and censorship/suppression/persecution has increased under the Trump administration, and most other states in the world. This is not a departure in kind from previous administrations but largely a matter of tighter corporate/state coalescence and technological advance. (ie. when they can do it, they will--and make big money too). The push to destroy voices that do not toe a particular partisan line, or bipartisan state-centric foreign policy, will no doubt proceed with increasing sophistication and, most unfortunately, with the avid approval of so many "progressives" as long as the victims are those they don't like. This a very major contribution to the growing tyranny."

And entirely agree with the logic presented in post 100 re: the NYT decision to not publish the warrentless wiretapping/surveillance story before Bush's second election.   The details of that incident are pretty shocking.  Thanks Contrianna for laying it out so well.

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Clearly I wasn't on my meds at the time...you win.

This Assange person played a role in creating Donald Trump. If he didn't directly, he most definitely indirectly.

Simple.

So yeah..I hate him. Is this irrational? Not in my view. But if it is yours, sorry,mate.

NDPP

WikiLeaks published the DNC emails because they were as important to publish in the public interest as the Collateral Murder video, the US State Dept cables or the CIA's Vault 7. The 'hate' for Assange is purely a creation of the relentless media driven smear and disinformation campaign to which so many so-called 'progressives' seem particulary vulnerable. As for Assange being responsible for [Crooked!]  Hillary Clinton's loss to Trump, I rather think she is herself responsible for that. At the very least the blame should be shared more widely, some even say Bernie was responsible. In any case one  might wish to consider other possibilities... 

Report: Bill Clinton May Have Encouraged Donald Trump To Run For President

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/08/bill-clinton-called-donald-trump...

"Whom does the country have to blame for Donald Trump's ascendancy in American politics? It was president and candidate spouse Bill Clinton all along..."

NDPP

Whistleblower Chelsea Manning Jailed For Refusing to Testify Against Julian Assange

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/03/08/mann-m08.html

"Manning's lawyer, Moira Meltzer-Cohen, told the WSWS after the decision, 'Chelsea's actions speak for themselves. She is a person of tremendous honor and courage, and the latest struggle is just the most recent in a long series of principled stands she has taken.

The threat to Manning is part of a bipartisan offensive against freedom of speech, aimed at suppressing critical and independent journalism. She has taken an essential stand, in contrast to the corporate media outlets and pseudo-left groups that have turned cynically against Assange..."

NDPP

Unity4J: 19.0

https://youtu.be/f3wyCZqTrGg

"Online vigil in support of Julian Assange and WikiLeaks."

@15:00

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Is this guy still hiding in that embassy?

voice of the damned

I believe so, yeah.

NDPP

"If you're not careful the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing." Malcolm X

 

Collateral Murder

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1104104393123729412

"An 'Investigation into Civilian Casualties Resulting from an Engagement on 12 July, 2007 in the New Baghdad District of Baghdad, Iraq', found that 'the proceedings comply with legal requirements,' and 'contain no material errors or violate any individual's substantial rights."

https://www.thenation.com/article/wikileaks-baghdad/

In an age of information ignorance is a choice.

wage zombie

NDPP wrote:

https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1100660998409736192

"Anybody who believes Julian Assange was able to phone Roger Stone from inside the Ecuadorean Embassy with neither CGCQ, NSA, CIA or FBI intercepting the call, is severely deluded - combined budget of these agencies - $41 billion. Michael Cohen's testimony is obviously nonsense."

One way to look at this is that Cohen's testimony is nonsense.  The other way to look at it is that, if Cohen's testimony is indeed true, we would expect to see plenty of evidence of this coming forth in the next year.

bekayne
contrarianna

wage zombie wrote:

NDPP wrote:

https://twitter.com/CraigMurrayOrg/status/1100660998409736192

"Anybody who believes Julian Assange was able to phone Roger Stone from inside the Ecuadorean Embassy with neither CGCQ, NSA, CIA or FBI intercepting the call, is severely deluded - combined budget of these agencies - $41 billion. Michael Cohen's testimony is obviously nonsense."

One way to look at this is that Cohen's testimony is nonsense.  The other way to look at it is that, if Cohen's testimony is indeed true, we would expect to see plenty of evidence of this coming forth in the next year.

Trump's former fixer Cohen trys to ingratiate himself in true McCarthyite fashion, adding to the endless conspiricist anti-Assange  Russiagate false stories in the "respected" MSM. 

These stories are simply forgotten when they are shown to be very improbable, or demonstrably false. The closest the conspiracy adherents ever get to backtracking is saying things like: "well, we'll have to wait and see". 

One of the more obviously ridiculous stories in recent times was the Guardian's viral "Manafort visits Assange 3 times in the Equadorian Embassy". Absurd on the face of it, the Guardian never retracted it (but slightly edited it after without saying they did, a journalistic ethical no-no) to make it less definitive.  

That Manafort could walk into the Embassy, even once, without being seen, photographed and videoed by multiple agencies and persons at one of the most surveilled locations on the planet defies even minimal consciousness. (I suppose he could have been smuggled in 3 times in a diplomatic briefcase): 

Five Weeks After The Guardian’s Viral Blockbuster Assange-Manafort Scoop, No Evidence Has Emerged — Just Stonewalling  Glenn Greenwald  January 2 2019, 5:43 a.m.

https://theintercept.com/2019/01/02/five-weeks-after-the-guardians-viral...

As for the Cohen story, during the Congressional hearing these words were exchanged:

REP. THOMAS MASSIE: You said—and this is also in your testimony—in the days before the Democratic convention, you became privy to a conversation that some of Hillary Clinton’s emails would be leaked. Is that correct?

MICHAEL COHEN: Correct.

REP. THOMAS MASSIE: OK. Was that in—you said late July. Do you know the exact day?

MICHAEL COHEN: I believe it was either the 18th or the 19th, and I would guess that it would be on the 19th.

REP. THOMAS MASSIE: But it was definitely July?

MICHAEL COHEN: I believe so, yes.

REP. THOMAS MASSIE: Do you know that was public knowledge in June? This was Mr. Assange. And I’d like to submit this [Guardian article quoting Julian Assange in June 2016]. [bold mine] Unanimous consent to submit this for the record.

REP. ELIJAH CUMMINGS: Without objection, so ordered.

REP. THOMAS MASSIE: Mr. Assange reported to the media on June 12th that those emails would be leaked. So, I’m not saying you have fake news; I’m saying you have old news, and there’s really not much to that....

Now, let's just imagine that Cohen is acting out of character and is in fact telling the truth. What would that mean in terms of actual criminal behaviour and comparative publication behaviour? 

I had addressed that issue in an earlier post in this thread: 

"It's as if CNN, Fox, MSNBC, Washington Post, RT, Guardian, BBC, etc, didn't promote or denigrate politcal figures according to their bias, or have a state-centric political bias that shapes what they publish.  A major difference being that they often, to varying degrees, publish false information--unlike the Wikileak's main site for leaks.

A subset of the Wikileaks is biased  narrative is that Wikileaks/Assange timed the release of emails to hurt Clinton, as another reason to justify imprisonment. Whether it did or not, it's hardly a leap of imagination to think this happens with corporate media regularly.

A particularly glaring case of timing bias governing publication is the NYT suppressing publication of NYT story mass illegal domestic surveiilence which could have affected the GW Bush re-election...."

In a later March 8 article by Ann Garrison elaborates on that perspective: 

....Wheeler’s among the worst of the Russiagate faithful now embroidering the facts. Is she saying that journalists should not publish for maximum impact? Or simply that Wikileaks should not? Would she impose the same standard on the New York Times, the Washington Post, or her own aptly named blog, EmptyWheel.net?

Neither releasing information nor knowing the date that it would be released are a crime. And even if Donald Trump did know the release date, what impact could that possibly have? How was Trump supposed to have used prior knowledge of the date on which Wikileaks would release the DNC and Podesta emails? They were guaranteed to be the day’s biggest headlines whether he knew their release date or not, so even if he did, it would have had absolutely no impact.

Any earnest journalist is going to release whatever they’ve got for maximum impact at whatever time and in whatever outlet they can. Any earnest news outlet is going to rush to publish a big story as fast as they can. And the DNC and Podesta emails were guaranteed to be a huge story no matter who knew of them or their publication date in advance.....

Admitting that they’ve propagandized Americans into a state of mass psychosis about Russian interference and infiltration could embarrass the Russiagate faithful press as much as admitting that there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq should have embarrassed that theory’s proponents. It should be remembered, however, that New York Times reporter Judith Miller neither acknowledged being embarrassed nor apologized for leading us into that criminal war of aggression, and neither did Robert Mueller, the special Russiagate prosecutor now lionized by Trump-hating liberals. During the run-up to the 03/20/2003 attack on Iraq, Mueller told Congress,

      “As Director Kennedy has pointed out, Secretary Powell pre[s]ented evidence last week that Baghdad has      failed to disarm its weapons of mass destruction, willfully attempting to evade and deceive the            international community. Our particular concern is that Saddam Hussein may supply terrorists with biological, chemical, or radiological material.”...*

https://www.globalresearch.ca/michael-cohen-scooped-julian-assange/5670722

*Mueller: 'Enemy is far from defeated' Tuesday, February 11, 2003 Posted: 2:49 PM EST (1949 GM

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/02/11/transcripts.mueller/

NDPP

Twitter Restricts Account of Julian Assange's Mother

https://twitter.com/Consortiumnews/status/1108465148287746050

"The social media giant has given no reason to Christine Assange who had turned to Twitter to campaign for the liberty of her son..."

No mystery. Obviously to silence her. 

 

Telesur English Twitter Account 'Restricted'

https://twitter.com/AssangeMrs/status/1108670557195636736

"Telesur English account has been supportive of journalist Julian Assange. They have been one of the few media to factually update the public on his plight and the political context of his persecution."

** After vigorous online protests, Christine Assange's account has been restored. Many thanks to all who participated in this effort on behalf of free speech. Telesur English continues to be suppressed.

NDPP

The 'Assange Precedent'

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1107702625204649984

"How the Trump administration is using its case against Wikileaks as an 'ice-breaker' that will crush press freedoms, globally..."

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

contrarianna wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

contrarianna wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

contrarianna wrote:

alan smithee wrote:

Assange will rot in prison. Beautifu,Excellent. Where he belongs. Throw away the key. Have fun in a federal prison, hopefully Walla Walla,Sing Sing or San Quentin. Ciao you Republican troll.

Another wallow in hate from a fascistically-minded "progressive" who supports the bi-partisan Trump Republican-Democrat prosecution of Assange, for printing leaked emails of corruption that are 100% accurate and resulted in one corrupt DNC official losing her job.

But, no, wait, apparently he's NOT fascistically-minded after all, he doesn't want to imprison for life in solitary ALL whistleblowers and publishers, merely those publishers who print verified FACTS he doesn't like, and doesn't want people to see.

Sooo  much better if people who ran the US thought like this--(uhh, oh yeah, they do).

lol....seriously,this man played a roll in creating Donald Trump's presidency. Hence he's a Republican troll..To hell with him.

This post is really for the consideration of rational readers since smithee, spouting obscenities, had before  called me a "Republican" and "troll" and claimed he wouldn't respond anymore.  Amusingly, during the first few of my 12 years here I was often called a "Liberal" for criticizing the rightward drift of the NDP.  I suppose it's only a matter of time before I'm labeled a "Russian troll".

As far as "trolling" goes, compare the content-vacant gleeful incitement I responded to, versus  my (at least rudimentary) argument against political and censorship-driven imprisonment. 

The "case" for Assange's further imprisonment seems to be that he aided Trump by Wikileaks publishing leaked emails that put Clinton and the DNC in a bad light.  That they put Clinton and the DNC in a bad light is undeniable; that they resulted in Trump's election is highly debatable--but not relevant to the desire for censorship-based imprisonment.

The passion for imprisonment seems to be partly based on the assumed bias of the publisher--the claim that Assange favoured Trump over Clinton in the election.  I'd guess that this is quite likely true given Clinton's past role in targetting Assange and that out of self-interest (and his very self-deluded hope} that the Trump-led administration would drop the already extant sealed indictement against him instead what they did--ramping up the persecution.

I would hope that most people would not endorse imprisonment based on the political bias of publishers (gosh, what could go wrong there!).

It's as if CNN, Fox, MSNBC, Washington Post, RT, Guardian, BBC, etc, didn't promote or denigrate politcal figures according to their bias, or have a state-centric political bias that shapes what they publish.  A major difference being that they often, to varying degrees, publish false information--unlike the Wikileak's main site for leaks.

A subset of the Wikileaks is biased  narrative is that Wikileaks/Assange timed the release of emails to hurt Clinton, as another reason to justify imprisonment. Whether it did or not, it's hardly a leap of imagination to think this happens with corporaate media regularly.
A particularly glaring case of timing bias governing publication is the NYT suppressing publication of NYT story mass illegal domestic surveiilence which could have affected the GW Bush re-election: 

One of the most notorious examples was in mid-2004 when the New York Times discovered - thanks to a courageous DOJ whistleblower - that the Bush administration was eavesdropping on the electronic communications of Americans without the warrants required by the criminal law. But after George Bush summoned to the Oval Office the paper's publisher (Arthur Sulzberger) and executive editor (Bill Keller) and directed them to conceal what they had learned, the NYT complied by sitting on the story for a-year-and-a-half: until late December, 2005, long after Bush had been safely re-elected.... https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/feb/07/saudi-arabia-drone...

Should these NYT editors be imprisoned for life for delaying the publication of something that might have hurt the re-election of GW Bush, the greatest war criminal--so far--in the 21st century (now fawned over by many Democrats for simply being not-Trump)?

Despite the repugnant nature of the editors decision, I believe most thinking people would consider it a slide far down the slippery slope to totalitarianism, and that it would give a green light for arbitrary journalist oppression for anyone in power.

The Trump administration, so far, still lags far behind GW Bush's body count and wars of aggression.  This could change very quickly with his fattened coterie of Bush-era neocon and  hawks Pompeo, Bolton, Abrams, Pence etc. that shape the foreign policy of the  Criminal-in Chief.  Unfortunately, there is little real objection on this account from the so-called Resistence (  https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/01/24/so-called-trump-resistance-... ) on this, and often endorsment and egging on from the "liberal" press and minion states like Canada, as Bolton's "Troika of Tyranny" is targetted for regime change by the "Democracy of Decency (tm)".

The apparatus for security state and corporate surveillance and censorship/suppression/persecution has increased under the Trump administration, and most other states in the world. This is not a departure in kind from previous administrations but largely a matter of tighter corporate/state coalescence and technological advance. (ie. when they can do it, they will--and make big money too). The push to destroy voices that do not toe a particular partisan line, or bipartisan state-centric foreign policy, will no doubt proceed with increasing sophistication and, most unfortunately, with the avid approval of so many "progressives" as long as the victims are those they don't like. This a very major contribution to the growing tyranny.

FYI....I've been calling ASSANGE a Republican troll over and over in this thread. Why? Because that's exactly what he is.

I have called you absolutely no name. Not once. Not in any thread. I keep suggesting that people not forget what Assange is,he doesn't have any of my mercy.

So I hope that's clear and now can move on.

Perhaps, smithee, your lies are not deliberate. 
Perhaps your pervasive world of unhinged anger and irrational claims, they simply don't register anymore:

From the sooo progressive Fuck Free Speech thread:

alan smithee wrote:
...
And calling me a ' fascist' and a ' totalitarian' isn't dull-witted and infantile? LOL..You're a half wit and you must be a ' fake'  progressive  seeing that you are defending a Republican troll.

[contrariana] The bottom line is your gleeful wish to imprison in solitary those who you politically oppose. That is, by definition,  totalitarianism. 
For bi-partisan fascism to progress it doesn't require just the current disgusting extreme of Trump, or Pence--just more fake progressives who think like you.

You're an asshole. There  is nothing left for me to say to you. As I said,I'm not going to be banned at the hands of the likes of you.

Call me ridiculous names. It just proves you're a troll and you're not worth the time of day.

​It's too fucking bad that you get triggered when someone rightfully besmirches your cult leader.

Go yell at a cloud.

http://rabble.ca/comment/5418336#comment-5418336

lol snicker snicker 'Go yell at a cloud' I forgot about that. Thanks for the reminder.

NDPP

Unity4J 21.0

https://youtu.be/BpzWVOJZjJ8

"Online vigil in support of Julian Assange and WikiLeaks."

NDPP

Assange Prosecution Will Focus on Chelsea Manning Era Releases Not DNC Emails

https://twitter.com/ElizabethleaVos/status/1066811560511881217

"Assange prosecution will focus on Chelsea Manning era releases not DNC emails."

Because they know the latter were leaked not hacked and there is no case there. They were hoping to construct an espionage/conspiracy case with Chelsea Manning but she has courageously refused to step into their Grand Jury trap. Such a pity that so many are too stupid and brainwashed to apprehend the reality of this case and lend their support and assistance.  Instead they cheerlead on the national security state fascist mafia over this courageous publisher and whistleblower.

NDPP

US Journalist Exposes Julian Assange's Prison-Like Conditions

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/03/29/assa-m29.html

"Cassandra Fairbanks, a US online journalist has published an account of a visit she made to Julian Assange on Monday..."

 

#Unity4J

https://youtu.be/p9zze_4WQiw

"Online vigil in support of Julian Assange and WikiLeaks."

NDPP

A Year of Silencing Julian Assange (and vid)

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/03/28/a-year-of-silencing-julian-assange/

"On this date in 2018 Moreno imposed on Assange what Human Rights Watch legal counsel Dinah Pokempner described as looking 'more and more like solitary confinement..."

bekayne

NDPP wrote:

US Journalist Exposes Julian Assange's Prison-Like Conditions

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/03/29/assa-m29.html

"Cassandra Fairbanks, a US online journalist has published an account of a visit she made to Julian Assange on Monday..."

 

"Following the publication of Fairbanks’ article on Tuesday on the right-wing Gateway Pundit website"

NDPP

US Acting Against Assange and Manning Set a Dangerous Precedent

https://t.co/6GD4mKEoOq

"Article 19 is concerned about continuous attempts to prosecute Julian Assange, founder and publisher of WikiLeaks, for his work through the organization and about the recent detention of Chelsea Manning for her refusal to testify against WikiLeaks. We believe these are efforts to criminalize whistleblowing and the legitimate exercise of freedom of expression..."

NDPP

UN Special Rapporteur: US Extradition of Assange Would Be Violation of International Law

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/04/06/wiki-a06.html

"Following WikiLeaks warning yesterday that Julian Assange faces imminent eviction from Ecuador's London embassy, widespread opposition has emerged to the illegal plans to terminate his political asylum..."

 

'Assange is not a Journalist!' Yes He Is Idiot

https://t.co/EuytrjJvoY

"Whenever Assange is in the news and people are defending him you always see a bunch of hyper-emotional empire loyalists running around online trying to manage the narrative about him..."

NDPP

Assange Year 7

https://youtu.be/9z7dyyCGI6c

"How Ecuador-US ties changed post-asylum granting..."

NDPP

Craig Murray: On the Pavement With WikiLeaks

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/04/08/on-the-pavement-with-wikileaks/

"...Pretty well all of the Western media is going to want to focus on false anti-Assange narratives, and they will be determined to give as little attention as possible to the fact he is a publisher facing trial for publishing leaked state documents which revealed state wrongdoing..."

NDPP

Wikileaks Accuses Ecuador Embassy of 'Extensive Spy Operation' Against Assange

https://on.rt.com/9rxe

"Ecuador is not protecting Julian anymore..."

NorthReport

WikiLeaks' Julian Assange arrested; U.S. seeks extradition from U.K.

The founder of the group that published sensitive government files was arrested under an extradition warrant on behalf of the U.S., police in London said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-arrested-police-london-n991236

Mobo2000

Very bad news.   From above:

"Moreno added that he asked the U.K. not to extradite Assange "to a country where he could face torture or the death penalty." In a subsequent statement, Ecuador's foreign minister said that the U.K. had given its assurance that Assange would not be sent to a country where he'd face the death penalty or torture."

...which would rule out extradition to the US.  Although in practice of course he will be sent to the US.

NDPP

British Police Arrest Julian Assange in Ecuadorian Embassy
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/04/11/arre-a11.html

"Assange was dragged out of the Ecuadorian Embassy by a group of British police officers. Even as he was being brutally manhandled into a police van, Assange challenged his persecutors. 'The UK must resist this attempt by the Trump administration...The UK must resist!'

 

 

Julian Assange's Legal Team Makes A Statement Following His Arrest

https://youtu.be/cB5vCRwA4mI

"They say the arrest sends a 'dangerous precedent' and marks a 'dark day for journalism'..."

 

Julian Assange Arrested - US Extradition Process in Motion - Online Roundtable

https://youtu.be/UIzg6eTTTpo

#FreeJulian

 

NDPP

'Today's a Dark Day For Justice in the West' - John Wight

https://youtu.be/Ggk_QB_FUA8

"We can't trust the US with citizens' rights, says John Wight after Julian Assange is arrested in Ecuadorian Embassy in London."

 

'Why is Assange Being Pursued and not NYT or the Guardian?' - Peter Tatchell

https://youtu.be/UfQNr0Yj07I

"Assange caused huge embarrassment exposing American wrong-doing around the world. It smacks of a vendetta..." - Peter Tatchell, UK Human Rights campaigner.

NDPP

US Indictment of Julian Assange

https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/press-release/file/1153481/download

"Conspiring to commit computer intrusion."

 

UK Govt: Sayid Javid Gives Statement on Julian Assange's Arrest

https://youtu.be/n4kC_J1Rtv8

Home Secretary Savid Javid gives statement on the arrest of Julian Assange

NDPP

Patrick Henningsen on Assange Arrest & UK/US/Ecuador 'Stitch-Up'

https://youtu.be/CKBOQYXMXvw

"It has all the indications of a backroom deal between the Ecuador, UK and US governments', says Patrick Henningsen.

 

"With the arrest and possible extradition of Julian Assange, the United States comes ever-closer to an authoritarian police state. Assange must be pardoned immediately. Anything else is unacceptable." - Mike Gravel, former US senator (D-AK)

https://twitter.com/MikeGravel/status/1116387680231796736

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NDPP wrote:

"With the arrest and possible extradition of Julian Assange, the United States comes ever-closer to an authoritarian police state. Assange must be pardoned immediately. Anything else is unacceptable." - Mike Gravel, former US senator (D-AK)

https://twitter.com/MikeGravel/status/1116387680231796736

I agree with former senator Gravel. By the way, he is running in the Democratic primaries at age 88.

NDPP

TRNN: Assange and Manning Under Arrest - Trump Admin Goes All Out Against Whistleblowers (and vid)

https://therealnews.com/stories/assange-manning-under-arrest-trump-whist...

"Shortly before Assange's arrest in London Thursday morning, we spoke to National Lawyers Guild president Marjorie Cohn about Manning's refusal to testify against Assange and the precarious situation Assange is in..."

 

AI Ireland: 'We're calling on the UK to refuse to extradite Assange to the US...'

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1116426958131400705

NDPP

CrossTalk: Assange in Custody

https://youtu.be/X5NdP7zktJg

"It has finally happened. This is truly a dark day for journalists and journalism.."

 

Julian Assange Arrested & Escorted Out of Ecuadorian Embassy

https://youtu.be/IIpGiKsdAAc

Exclusive RT footage

NDPP

TRNN: Daniel Ellsberg On Assange Arrest

https://youtu.be/tw8yf6Luwo4

"The beginning of the end for press freedom. 'This is the first indictment of a journalist and editor or publisher. And if it's successful it will not be the last." - Daniel Ellsberg-

 

Every Charge Against Julian Assange Explained

https://on.rt.com/9s24

WikiLeaks co-founder Julian Assange has been arrested by British police inside the Ecuadorian embassy in London, and faces jail time in the UK, extradition to the US and possibly even charges in Sweden. For what? RT explains..."

NDPP

IMF Approves $4.2 Billion Loan For Ecuador

https://www.enca.com/business/imf-approves-42bn-loan-ecuador

For services rendered...

 

"Julian Assange was expelled from the Ecuadorian Embassy for exposing President Lenin Moreno's corruption in the INA Papers. Moreno's secret account (money laundering) 100-4-1071378 Balboa Bank, Panama."

https://twitter.com/MashiRafael/status/1116334415096025089

 

NDPP

Chomsky: Arrest of Assange is 'Scandalous' and Highlights Shocking Extraterritorial Reach of US (and vid)

https://www.democracynow.org/2019/4/12/chomsky-arrest-of-assange-is-scan...

"We've got to silence this voice."

 

Carlos Latuffe on UK Assange Arrest

https://twitter.com/LatuffCartoons/status/1116459511987019777

 

"We strongly condemn the detention of Julian Assange" - Evo Morales-

https://twitter.com/evoespueblo/status/1116369066187476993

voice of the damned

NDPP wrote:

 

AI Ireland: 'We're calling on the UK to refuse to extradite Assange to the US...'

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/1116426958131400705

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I thought Amnesty was one of those Soros-funded imperial front groups that just pushes the line of the Washington warmongers.

Hm. Guess we can't draw conclusions about a group's entire agenda based merely on the fact they're not as enamoured with Putin as the Saker is.

NDPP

Whatever Bill Brower tells you VOTD...

voice of the damned

NDPP wrote:

Whatever Bill Brower tells you VOTD...

It's not Bill Browder who tells me that Amnesty is a front for US imperialism. It's you.

NDPP

Because it frequently is. HRW also. You won't find AI's big daddies AI-USA or AI-UK  tweeting in JA's favour, they run more with your Guardianista liberal 'he works for Putin' paranoids.  Perhaps this will make you feel better...

Hillary Clinton Says Assange 'Has To Answer For What He Has Done.'

https://twitter.com/JohnWight1/status/1116615033323053058

"In a world ruled by the most brutal empire ever known the criminal is the judge and the judge is the criminal."

 

voice of the damned

NDPP wrote:

You won't find AI's big daddies AI-USA or AI-UK  tweeting in JA's favour

From the amnestyusa.org site...

Julian Assange must not be extradited to the US

http://tinyurl.com/y47muoag

Not sure if they've tweeted that, as per your specifications, but there's a twitter icon attached, so I presume they don't mind if other people do.

 

 

 

voice of the damned

And from that other neo-con puppet HRW...

The extradition of Julian Assange from the United Kingdom to the United States for alleged computer-related crimes could have dangerous implications for journalists in the digital age.

http://tinyurl.com/y2cjvrg6

 

 

NDPP

Pilger: Assange Arrest A Warning From History

https://consortiumnews.com/2019/04/12/assange-arrest-a-warning-from-hist...

"The glimpse of Julian Assange being dragged from the Ecuadorean embassy in London is an emblem of the times. Might against right. Muscle against the law. Indecency against courage. Six policemen manhandled a sick journalist, his eyes wincing against his first natural light in almost seven years. That this outrage happened in the heart of London, in the land of Magna Carta, ought to shame and anger all who fear for 'democratic' societies.

Assange is a political refugee protected by international law, the recipient of asylum under a strict covenant to which Britain is a signatory. The United Nations made this clear in the legal ruling of its Working Party on Arbitrary Detention. But to hell with that. Let the thugs go in. Directed by the quasi fascists in Trump's Washington, in league with Ecuador's Lenin Moreno, a Latin American Judas and liar seeking to disguise his rancid regime, the British elite abandoned its last imperial myth: that of fairness and justice.

Assange's principal media tormentor, The Guardian, a collaborator with the secret state , displayed its nervousness this week with an editorial that scaled new weasel heights..."

 

How You Can Be Certain That The US Charge Against Assange is Fraudulent

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/how-you-can-be-certain-that-the-us-ch...

"This charge is premised on a fraudulent and manipulative distortion of reality, and you may be one hundred percent certain of it. Let me explain. 'There's a huge myth being misreported about today's indictment of Assange,' journalist Glenn Greenwald tweeted today. 'The claim that Assange tried to help Manning circumvent a password to cover her tracks isn't new. The Obama DOJ know about it since 2011, but chose not to prosecute him. Story on this soon..."

 

"Arresting Julian Assange for publishing is an attack on fundamental press freedom that democracy depends on. Like Chelsea Manning, the US empire wants to imprison him for the 'crime' of revealing what our government is doing. All who support democracy must resist."

https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/1116394643464359941

NDPP

#Unity4J25.0

https://youtu.be/aD2FNOxil4g

Online vigil for Julian Assange, Bradley Manning, his arrest etc.

NDPP

"Thought for the Day! Solidarity With Assange..."

https://twitter.com/DerbyChrisW/status/1116447373255954438

"The further a society drifts from the truth the more it will hate those who speak it." - Orwell-

Notice this support from a UK Labour MP and Orwell quote especially apt given the proclivity of some babblers to habitually favour whatever reactionary campaign the PTB may be pushing. Speaking of which, if anybody notices any supportive tweets or statements from the gutless NDP, please post them here. Please feel free to perhaps email the support statements from Amnesty or the Labour MP in hopes they might overcome their fear of expressing themselves...

NDPP

"Contrast these condemnations of the US's indictment of Assange by Chomsky and Ellsberg (and the international left generally) to the cheering of it by Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer & Blairite Labour MPs. Real leftism is anti-authoritarian; establishment liberalism is the opposite."

https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1117056809922170882

A likely explanation of  NDP silence.

NDPP

The Jimmy Dore Show

https://youtu.be/6HJq0WxoK0c

"Dark day for journalism as Assange arrested."

 

9 Canadian Stories WikiLeaks Helped Bring To Light

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/9-canadian-stories-wikileaks-helped-bri...

"The same day former prime minister Jean Chretien publicly refused to join the 2003 US-led invasion of Iraq, a high-ranking Canadian official secretly provided the US clandestine military support for the operations, according to a classified US diplomatic memo obtained by CBC News from WikiLeaks..."

"The criminals have made it illegal to publish proof of their crimes." - G Galloway

"The more secretive or unjust an organization is, the more leaks induce fear and paranoia in its leadership and planning coterie. Only revealed injustices can be answered; for man to do anything intelligent he has to know what's actually going on..." - Julian Assange, 2004-

NDPP

"Ecuador's own Human Rights Commission has found that Lenin's expulsion of Assange from the embassy was unlawful, violating the Constitution, human rights treaties and Ecuador's international obligations."

https://twitter.com/suigenerisjen/status/1117393514193727488

 

"Political prisoner Julian Assange is being held in what is known as 'Britain's Guantanamo Bay' where the UK government holds 'terrorists'. This is what The Free World does to a journalist who publishes whistleblowers who expose US and NATO war crimes. "

https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1117096692715859968

 

And still a stony silence on the Assange matter by Canadian politicians. They should be asked for their view whenever and wherever they are encountered. Where does Jagmeet Singh and the NDP stand on the treatment and looming US extradition of this courageous publisher who gave the world such unprecedented access to the secrets of the powerful? Feel free to ask:

jagmeet.singh@parl.gc.ca

Otherwise we can probably assume rather than the views expressed by Noam Chomsky, Amnesty International, Evo Morales and others on this courageous publisher who has given the world so much insight into the dirty realpolitic we allow to continue, that they share the malign, reactionary views of the British government:

https://youtu.be/9Q5OFcCTrIQ

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