Bernie Sanders for President

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Aristotleded24

[url=http://commondreams.org/news/2016/08/01/sanders-surrogate-nina-turner-co... Turner being offered a spot as Jill Stein's running mate:[/url]

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Coming off a contentious week at the Democratic National Convention, Bernie Sanders surrogate and former Ohio state senator Nina Turner is reportedly considering an offer to run for vice president on the Green Party's national ticket.

The former Cleveland city councilor and high-level Ohio Democratic Party official, who switched her support from Hillary Clinton to Sanders in November 2015, told Cleveland.com on Sunday night that she was weighing the ask from the party's presumptive presidential nominee Jill Stein and would decide "in the coming days."

"It's true," Turner confirmed to the Washington Post. "Talking with my family. There's nothing to tell at this point."

That will be a huge blow to the Clinton campaign if Turner takes up Stein on her offer.

Geoff

Aristotleded24 wrote:

[url=http://commondreams.org/news/2016/08/01/sanders-surrogate-nina-turner-co... Turner being offered a spot as Jill Stein's running mate:[/url]

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Coming off a contentious week at the Democratic National Convention, Bernie Sanders surrogate and former Ohio state senator Nina Turner is reportedly considering an offer to run for vice president on the Green Party's national ticket.

The former Cleveland city councilor and high-level Ohio Democratic Party official, who switched her support from Hillary Clinton to Sanders in November 2015, told Cleveland.com on Sunday night that she was weighing the ask from the party's presumptive presidential nominee Jill Stein and would decide "in the coming days."

"It's true," Turner confirmed to the Washington Post. "Talking with my family. There's nothing to tell at this point."

That will be a huge blow to the Clinton campaign if Turner takes up Stein on her offer.

And a "huuuuge" boost to the Trump campaign, presumably.

lagatta

Bernie would be even closer to Québec - Montréal is the closest large city to Burlington VT. He would have to learn French though. I'm sure a lot of admirers would offer free lessons.

josh

Aristotleded24 wrote:

[url=http://commondreams.org/news/2016/08/01/sanders-surrogate-nina-turner-co... Turner being offered a spot as Jill Stein's running mate:[/url]

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Coming off a contentious week at the Democratic National Convention, Bernie Sanders surrogate and former Ohio state senator Nina Turner is reportedly considering an offer to run for vice president on the Green Party's national ticket.

The former Cleveland city councilor and high-level Ohio Democratic Party official, who switched her support from Hillary Clinton to Sanders in November 2015, told Cleveland.com on Sunday night that she was weighing the ask from the party's presumptive presidential nominee Jill Stein and would decide "in the coming days."

"It's true," Turner confirmed to the Washington Post. "Talking with my family. There's nothing to tell at this point."

That will be a huge blow to the Clinton campaign if Turner takes up Stein on her offer.

Turner turned it down.

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

Jim Hightower is an old style Texas Democrat, but pretty left wing (he supported Ralph Nader in 2000 and Bernie this year). He has an interesting piece in salon.com about an organization of former Bernie supporters, called Our Revolution, which has already won several Democratic primaries for federal and state legislatures in this year's election, and has big plans to take over the Democratic Party from the left. In today's political climate, they might even be able to succeed.

Jim Hightower wrote:

In fact, Our Revolution is already on the move, shaking up the old-line established order by winning dozens of local, state and congressional elections this year. Meet Mike Connolly, a 6-foot 8-inch tall Boston area attorney who was part of the Occupy Wall Street protest five years ago — and who is now headed to the Massachusetts legislature.

A disciple of Bernie’s low-dollar campaigning, he was known as “No Money Mike” for going door to door, asking voters to support him by donating time rather than dollars. Endorsed by Sanders and backed by thousands of calls to his district from Our Revolution volunteers, Connolly defeated a 23-year, money-powered incumbent. And if you think volunteer power doesn’t count anymore, Connolly won the September primary by only 394 votes.

Likewise, Marcia Ranglin-Vassell, a Rhode Island school teacher and Bernie backer defeated the statehouse’s majority leader — and won by just 17 votes. And three aggressively progressive Berniecrats recently won primaries for congressional seats: Zephyr Teachout in New York, Jamie Raskin in Maryland and Pramila Jayapal in Seattle.

mmphosis
Mr. Magoo Mr. Magoo's picture

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Meet Mike Connolly, a 6-foot 8-inch tall Boston area attorney who was part of the Occupy Wall Street protest five years ago — and who is now headed to the Massachusetts legislature.

Will he be bringing with him some of the secrets to Occupy's wide reaching success?

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

Mr. Magoo wrote:

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Meet Mike Connolly, a 6-foot 8-inch tall Boston area attorney who was part of the Occupy Wall Street protest five years ago — and who is now headed to the Massachusetts legislature.

Will he be bringing with him some of the secrets to Occupy's wide reaching success?

Well, I take his involvement in Occupy as an indication of his socio-economic beliefs and values. As far as political success is concerned, I think his primary victory over an establishment funded 23-year incumbent speaks well.

NorthReport

In Hindsight, Backers of Bernie Sanders Lament What Might Have Been

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/19/us/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign.ht...

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mmphosis
NorthReport

Where's Ralph Nader when we need him, eh Bernie! 

Bernie’s beef with Big Soda

Sanders unwittingly became an ally for Coca-Cola and PepsiCo. Now he's fighting back.

The Democratic socialist firebrand is demanding that the American Beverage Association, a powerful trade group representing Coca-Cola and PepsiCo, stop using his likeness in the tens of millions of dollars of anti-soda tax ads flooding television and mailboxes across the Bay Area, where San Francisco, Oakland and Albany, Calif., all have tax measures on the ballot. 

“Advertising from the American Beverage Association that implies that I oppose ballot items in San Francisco and Oakland that would place a tax on drinks with sugar are false,” Sanders said today in a statement to POLITICO. 

For weeks, the beverage industry has been capitalizing on Sanders’ public opposition to a soda tax in Philadelphia — a position he took last spring to differentiate himself from Hillary Clinton who had endorsed the tax during the bitter Democratic primary in Pennsylvania.

 

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/bernie-sanders-big-soda-230119

lagatta

Those taxes may be necessary to fight the huge propaganda machine pushing sugar-water on the masses, but like tobacco taxes, they are also extremely classist.

I'm certainly not saying I oppose them, but that aspect should be kept in mind.

NorthReport

I was wrong obviously Never underestimate the stupidity of the working man But the reason if Trump wins it tonite is because we all know many bankers should have gone to jail over the us real estate crash and people Iike Obama and Clinton let Wall Street bankers get away without punishment
The voters are tired of the bullshit amongst the elites the media types the pollsters, the political analysts etc

But, but if Bernie had been 20 years younger and the Democratic Party wasn't so corrupt, Bernie would have defeated Clinton and hopefully gone on to crush Trump

I think the WikiLeaks exposure of the Clinton emails really showed just how corrupt the whole system is

Tulsi Gabbard where are you when you are so obviously needed

josh

Had they nominated Sanders, he would have kept a lot of voters who defected to Trump in the Midwest in the fold. I don't know if he would have won, but Clinton lost and he couldn't have done worse than that.

ikosmos ikosmos's picture

Sanders would have changed the political landscape permanently, just as Trump has done, regardless of whether he won or lost. He would have been able to lay out a roadmap for the next socialist to follow his path. To some degree, he did this anyway.

This is different from both establishment figures in Obama - now a disappointing, unsuccessful lame duck - and Clinton, who were well-oiled, establishment figures that have, with last night's result, been completely repudiated by the American public.

What if.

 

Cody87

Trump beat Clinton on Clinton's personality and personal history/scandals. This worked because of a breadth of material to work with and Clinton's personal unpopularity even among many of her voters (similar to Trump). It is very unlikely to have worked against Bernie.

Against Bernie Trump would have had to debate on policy. This may or may not have worked, but it would have been a more productive discussion.

What if.

Sean in Ottawa

Cody87 wrote:

Trump beat Clinton on Clinton's personality and personal history/scandals. This worked because of a breadth of material to work with and Clinton's personal unpopularity even among many of her voters (similar to Trump). It is very unlikely to have worked against Bernie.

Against Bernie Trump would have had to debate on policy. This may or may not have worked, but it would have been a more productive discussion.

What if.

I absolutely could not disagree more. We saw even more scandals associated with Trump. People did not care. There was something else going on.

I think that it would ahve worked against Bernie. He would have been painted with the red scare paint brush that has been sitting in the cupboard since the 1950s.

I think that the loss of privilege in a society of growing inequity was the fear motivating the Trump Train.

If I am right then things cannot get better soon as that sexism and racism would have to be at the core of policies in order to satisfy these angry supporters.

Cody87

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

If I am right then things cannot get better soon as that sexism and racism would have to be at the core of policies in order to satisfy these angry supporters.

As long as rhetoric like this is acceptable, sexism and racism will continue to be a political football.

Sean in Ottawa

Cody87 wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

If I am right then things cannot get better soon as that sexism and racism would have to be at the core of policies in order to satisfy these angry supporters.

As long as rhetoric like this is acceptable, sexism and racism will continue to be a political football.

Don't get your point at all. Please make this clearer. I hope you don't mean what it looks to me like you mean.

Cody87

As long as it's socially acceptable to spew hate against ANY demographic, even "privileged" ones, there will continue to be resentment which can be exploited for political purposes. How is that not clear?

Aristotleded24

Sean in Ottawa wrote:
I absolutely could not disagree more. We saw even more scandals associated with Trump. People did not care. There was something else going on.

I think that it would ahve worked against Bernie. He would have been painted with the red scare paint brush that has been sitting in the cupboard since the 1950s.

No it would not have. In 2008, the Republicans called Obama a socialist and his popularity went up every time they said so. Sanders also had a way of explaining socialism to people when asked (and refuting general stupidity) so that they would think, "that doesn't sound so bad after all." You don't start off with zero name recognition and go on to win 45% against an Establishment candidate with the most powerful political machine in the country without a huge deal of charisma and persuasion skills.

Yes, there were scandals associated with Trump. Do you know why people did not care? Because it is obvious that Trump is a reprehensible human being, and that was the only thing about him that Clinton could tell us.

lagatta

Cody, no one is spewing hate. You sound like a fucking MRA. Are you a racist as well?

Sean in Ottawa

Aristotleded24 wrote:

Sean in Ottawa wrote:
I absolutely could not disagree more. We saw even more scandals associated with Trump. People did not care. There was something else going on.

I think that it would ahve worked against Bernie. He would have been painted with the red scare paint brush that has been sitting in the cupboard since the 1950s.

No it would not have. In 2008, the Republicans called Obama a socialist and his popularity went up every time they said so. Sanders also had a way of explaining socialism to people when asked (and refuting general stupidity) so that they would think, "that doesn't sound so bad after all." You don't start off with zero name recognition and go on to win 45% against an Establishment candidate with the most powerful political machine in the country without a huge deal of charisma and persuasion skills.

Yes, there were scandals associated with Trump. Do you know why people did not care? Because it is obvious that Trump is a reprehensible human being, and that was the only thing about him that Clinton could tell us.

You forget the detail about Sanders calling himself a socialist and Obama not.

I don't think the US is ready to elect a self-identified socialist. It would be tough for one to win the Democratic nomination and probably impossible in a general election.

Sanders explanation would work for many in a Democratic tent.

It certainly would have been good to see the attempt at this in a general election. And a few people would ahve been reached even if he would not have won.

SeekingAPolitic...

There is a war coming to the democratic party.  So don't think that there will be some sort cordinated reponse to the Trump.  Democratic leadership is looking in panic to blame somebody but themseles for the happened.  And the left is getting ready to throw the centrist under the bus.  So far the people that run the party are not discussing the true scale of what happened.  They know that it will come out.  And somebody has to take the blame.

1.  Senate is gone, and the balance of power will worst in the 2 years all lot of dem senate are going to face relection.

2.  Congress is in full control the rep.

3.  Prez is Trump

4.  On supreme court, this could check trump and rep party but looks be an illusion.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/presidential/20161110_Trump_s...

Besides replacing Justice Antonin Scalia, who died in February, Trump may get the chance to replace liberal justices and move the court to the right for generations.

Two of the court's liberals, Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Stephen G. Breyer, are 83 and 78, respectively. Moderate conservative Anthony M. Kennedy is 80.

I suggest few democratics realize what may be coming, of cousre the leadership understands but I think the base no idea about the implications of the supreme court.

When the truth comes out then will be see democratic civil war.  Centrist will lose because they bet the farm on Hillary.

SeekingAPolitic...

dp

josh

Ginsburg and Breyer will hang on as long as they have breath. Ginsburg should have retired in 2014 and 2015, but arrogantly refused.

The Democrats were faced with being totally shut out of power from 2003-2007. This is not novel. In the senate, as long as the filibuster is around, they can block non-budgetary legislation.

MegB

Cody87 wrote:

As long as it's socially acceptable to spew hate against ANY demographic, even "privileged" ones, there will continue to be resentment which can be exploited for political purposes. How is that not clear?

I'm with Lagatta on this. No one is spewing hate here, but you are walking a fine line. By putting privileged in quotes you speak volumes. Not comfortable acknowledging the privilege of others, or yourself? Then you don't belong here.

Pondering

MegB wrote:

Cody87 wrote:

As long as it's socially acceptable to spew hate against ANY demographic, even "privileged" ones, there will continue to be resentment which can be exploited for political purposes. How is that not clear?

I'm with Lagatta on this. No one is spewing hate here, but you are walking a fine line. By putting privileged in quotes you speak volumes. Not comfortable acknowledging the privilege of others, or yourself? Then you don't belong here.

I recently read that everyone in North America is privileged because we are the 1% of the world. In a technical or academic sense indigenous North Americans are privileged but it makes no sense to say "indigenous people in North America are privileged" just because there are other people in the world less "privileged" than indigenous North Americans.

So yes, technically, unemployed white blue-collar workers are privileged because they are not indigenous, and indigenous men are privileged because they are male.

The left calls unemployed white blue-collar workers privileged sending them into the arms of the Trumps of the world then blames the right.

SeekingAPolitic...

josh wrote:
Ginsburg and Breyer will hang on as long as they have breath. Ginsburg should have retired in 2014 and 2015, but arrogantly refused. The Democrats were faced with being totally shut out of power from 2003-2007. This is not novel. In the senate, as long as the filibuster is around, they can block non-budgetary legislation.

Your very right they hold on to the end because they know stakes in involved.  Its going to be long long 4 years maybe clinton should ran commericals telling people about the implications of a trump win on the supreme court. instead of a trump is bad man they should said trump will effectively role back 40 years of progress not through presedential ediet but selection of supreme justices.  Maybe that would movitivated a few more voters. 

Pondering

Sean in Ottawa wrote:

I don't think the US is ready to elect a self-identified socialist. It would be tough for one to win the Democratic nomination and probably impossible in a general election.

Sanders explanation would work for many in a Democratic tent.

It certainly would have been good to see the attempt at this in a general election. And a few people would ahve been reached even if he would not have won.

Yeah, just like Trump couldn't win, only he did. Sanders polled higher than Clinton against Trump. People believe that politicians are ALL corrupt so anyone percieved as an outsider has a huge advantage.

Clinton lost because she is the ultimate insider.

Pondering

SeekingAPoliticalHome wrote:

josh wrote:
Ginsburg and Breyer will hang on as long as they have breath. Ginsburg should have retired in 2014 and 2015, but arrogantly refused. The Democrats were faced with being totally shut out of power from 2003-2007. This is not novel. In the senate, as long as the filibuster is around, they can block non-budgetary legislation.

Your very right they hold on to the end because they know stakes in involved.  Its going to be long long 4 years maybe clinton should ran commericals telling people about the implications of a trump win on the supreme court. instead of a trump is bad man they should said trump will effectively role back 40 years of progress not through presedential ediet but selection of supreme justices.  Maybe that would movitivated a few more voters. 

I doubt it would have mattered at all. This is not the stuff voters are paying attention to or care about. They are pissed off at the establishment. The details don't matter. Most people don't think along the left/right lines that political junkies and activists care so much about. Clinton is a Wall Street insider and part of the political class that shipped jobs to other countries to line their own pockets. Trump said he will rip up the trade deals that are responsible for that so he won.

 

SeekingAPolitic...

Pondering wrote:

SeekingAPoliticalHome wrote:

josh wrote:
Ginsburg and Breyer will hang on as long as they have breath. Ginsburg should have retired in 2014 and 2015, but arrogantly refused. The Democrats were faced with being totally shut out of power from 2003-2007. This is not novel. In the senate, as long as the filibuster is around, they can block non-budgetary legislation.

Your very right they hold on to the end because they know stakes in involved.  Its going to be long long 4 years maybe clinton should ran commericals telling people about the implications of a trump win on the supreme court. instead of a trump is bad man they should said trump will effectively role back 40 years of progress not through presedential ediet but selection of supreme justices.  Maybe that would movitivated a few more voters. 

I doubt it would have mattered at all. This is not the stuff voters are paying attention to or care about. They are pissed off at the establishment. The details don't matter. Most people don't think along the left/right lines that political junkies and activists care so much about. Clinton is a Wall Street insider and part of the political class that shipped jobs to other countries to line their own pockets. Trump said he will rip up the trade deals that are responsible for that so he won.

 

Being the defender of the status quo was massive massive error.  They wanted to message the public her "experience" was key to hillary success.  That was tragic mistake, all the money in the world you could not turn hillary into an outsdier.  But bernie a 30 year political veteran was a acceopted as a outsider.

josh

She was a bad candidate who ran a bad campaign. A Biden-Warren ticket would have been far stronger.

SeekingAPolitic...

I have my doubts about biden-warren, to beat trump you needed an outsider. Biden-warren were not outsiders.

SeekingAPolitic...

dp i need a new mouse:(

josh

Trump couldn't even get the most votes. Biden is an insider but without the baggage Clinton has. And more appeal to working class whites in Pennsylvania and the Midwest. It wouldn't have taken much to flip enough of those states to get to 270.

SeekingAPolitic...

We never know.  But i hope sanders becomes big wheel in party.

two figths going on now.

1 Left vs Centrist

2.Who will lead the left faction Warren vs Sanders

NDPP

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