Bernie Sanders for President

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monty1

kropotkin1951 wrote:

monty1 wrote:

I'm as thick skinned as the next guy but as long as a few individuals continue to keep it up then I'm going to keep fighting against it. It's petty and I've already had one of my chief adversaries admit openly that it wasn't because of some imagined bad beharious by me. Albeit, a slip of the tongue/fingers. Patheric really. Ask kropotkin.

I agree you are pathetic. There we agree on something. Maybe the reason why you are getting so much blow back is because you are a blowhard that tries to use other people in their posts to bolster unsupportable ideas. You tried it with NDPP and now you are trying it with me. Please do not ever try to use my name to bolster anything you say in a post. I find it deeply offensive to be used by someone like you. In less than a month you have insulted countless of this board's long term posters and acted like a jerk by claiming some sort of victory every time someone comes close to agreeing with anything you say. Why are you here did you get run off all the other boards you used to post at. Were most of the people on those sites mean to you as well? Did you spend half your time whining at how unfair every ones is to you?

No, yes, no, no, no, no, etc. You have to recall that you gave the game away when you ssid that the problem is that my politics don't agree with yours. or the others.

Maybe it would be a good idea to just ignore each other? My politics are as closely aligned with the politics of the people on this board to be allowable. To begin with, I didn't understand that it wasn't allowable to be politically out of tune and to the right of the intent of this forum. But upon looking back I've found that was never the case and it's been confirmed to me that I'm within bounds. I think you either have to accept that or ignore it. I'll start now but be warned, I won't suffer abuse.

NorthReport

monty1

Please give it a break, it's not all about you, and kindly consider others and please take your personal beefs elsewhere, as they don't relate in any way to the topic of the thread.

NorthReport

But, but, but Hillary's progressive!  Laughing

Democratic establishment starts to gang up on Sanders

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/268325-democratic-establishment-sta...

 

which is totally understandable when you see this, as Hillary and the establishment must be really freaking out this morning:

Bernie Sanders just melted away a 30-point Hillary Clinton lead in a new poll

 the Friday survey presented fresh signs of momentum for Sanders, who surprised much of the political world when he came close to overtaking Clinton in the Monday-night Iowa caucuses. He also appears primed for a win in New Hampshire, which holds its primaries next Tuesday; he's up by more than 20 points in an average of recent polls of the state.

The Quinnipiac poll found that Sanders would fare better than Clinton in hypothetical general-election matchups, an argument he has started to make on the campaign trail. For example, while Clinton would lose to Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Florida) by 7 points, Sanders would tie him, according to the survey. He would also double Clinton's margin of victory over real-estate magnate Donald Trump.

http://www.businessinsider.com/poll-bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-tie-q...

 

 

 

monty1

I think that US politics are skewed so badly that no agenda is really important anymore. For example, they have Trump's crazed agenda being extremely popular, as well as Cruz's. And then we have the Dem side of it.

As opposed to an agenda being the deciding factor, it appears to me that personality will win the day. Bernie comes across as a nice guy while Hilary comes across as grating on the nerves, and that's not just my perception. I'm wondering if any of the women here will find it the same with Hillary?

Then there is Rubio, who in my opinion will go all the way. Strictly becasue his agenda is close enough to being acceptable to the right but mostly because his good looks make it acceptable enough.

Having said that, I have nothing but scorn for their entire system and the fact that even Bernie is not going to be antiwar enough to change anything in their foreign policy to benefit the rest of the world. He's just the best of a lot of bad choices.

monty1

NorthReport wrote:

monty1

Please give it a break, it's not all about you, and kindly consider others and please take your personal beefs elsewhere, as they don't relate in any way to the topic of the thread.

You're right about it being disruptive and thank you. It was a reaction to another personal attack but I've sought advice to prevent it from continuing.

NorthReport

Sanders on SNL tomorrow?

jjuares

monty1 wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

monty1

Please give it a break, it's not all about you, and kindly consider others and please take your personal beefs elsewhere, as they don't relate in any way to the topic of the thread.

You're right about it being disruptive and thank you. It was a reaction to another personal attack but I've sought advice to prevent it from continuing.


Maybe a little self reflection would also be useful, Monty.

monty1

jjuares wrote:
monty1 wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

monty1

Please give it a break, it's not all about you, and kindly consider others and please take your personal beefs elsewhere, as they don't relate in any way to the topic of the thread.

You're right about it being disruptive and thank you. It was a reaction to another personal attack but I've sought advice to prevent it from continuing.

Maybe a little self reflection would also be useful, Monty.

That's pretty much what I've been doing. By asking for direction to try to understand if my behaviour is outside the limits of forum rules. As it is at the moment, I feel that the problem is nothing more than politics and that's especially true with you. If you want to continue your charges publicly then you can do so. I think that some people are now taking exception to the disruption on the board. Contact me via p.m. if you choose.

jjuares

monty1 wrote:

jjuares wrote:
monty1 wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

monty1

Please give it a break, it's not all about you, and kindly consider others and please take your personal beefs elsewhere, as they don't relate in any way to the topic of the thread.

You're right about it being disruptive and thank you. It was a reaction to another personal attack but I've sought advice to prevent it from continuing.

Maybe a little self reflection would also be useful, Monty.

That's pretty much what I've been doing. By asking for direction to try to understand if my behaviour is outside the limits of forum rules. As it is at the moment, I feel that the problem is nothing more than politics and that's especially true with you. If you want to continue your charges publicly then you can do so. I think that some people are now taking exception to the disruption on the board. Contact me via p.m. if you choose.


Nope, my problem with you is how you ended every post directed towards me and others with a condescending remark. As like everyone else here I deal with people of all political persuasions every day. So, your comment that my complaint with you is " just politics" may be satisfying to you as it gets you off the hook for any responsibility in this matter and gives you comfort. Unfortunately, it is absolutely false. Like most people I tend to dislike others who insult me by their condescencion.

MegB

kropotkin1951 wrote:

monty1 wrote:

I'm as thick skinned as the next guy but as long as a few individuals continue to keep it up then I'm going to keep fighting against it. It's petty and I've already had one of my chief adversaries admit openly that it wasn't because of some imagined bad beharious by me. Albeit, a slip of the tongue/fingers. Patheric really. Ask kropotkin.

I agree you are pathetic. There we agree on something. Maybe the reason why you are getting so much blow back is because you are a blowhard that tries to use other people in their posts to bolster unsupportable ideas. You tried it with NDPP and now you are trying it with me. Please do not ever try to use my name to bolster anything you say in a post. I find it deeply offensive to be used by someone like you. In less than a month you have insulted countless of this board's long term posters and acted like a jerk by claiming some sort of victory every time someone comes close to agreeing with anything you say. Why are you here did you get run off all the other boards you used to post at. Were most of the people on those sites mean to you as well? Did you spend half your time whining at how unfair every ones is to you?

Personal attack Kropotkin.

Lookit, the two of you are never going to agree so I suggest you not engage each other. No one wants to be a captive audience to your spats - the disruption of threads is quite annoying.

Pondering

mark_alfred wrote:

I'm reminded of Trudeau's criticisms of universal child care.  Unachievable, unaffordable, would take too long, etc.  Similar to Clinton's criticisms of Sanders.

I think that criticism was directed specifically at the NDP plan and current conditions not a general condemnation of universal childcare.

NorthReport

Sanders holding rally in NH to be on CNN live soon.

That Q poll out today has definitely shaken up the D establishment if the DNC Chair Shultz's interview on CNN is any indication.

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Sanders has nailed it about political corruption and the need to reform the political system

Clinton spending more on polling than six GOP candidates combined

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/clinton-spending-more-polling-six-gop-candida...

 

 

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

NorthReport wrote:

Sanders on SNL tomorrow?

It'll be Larry David doing a bland and unflattering impression.

monty1

NorthReport wrote:

Sanders holding rally in NH to be on CNN live soon.

That Q poll out today has definitely shaken up the D establishment if the DNC Chair Shultz's interview on CNN is any indication.

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Sanders has nailed it about political corruption and the need to reform the political system

Clinton spending more on polling than six GOP candidates combined

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/clinton-spending-more-polling-six-gop-candida...

The Democrat party continues it's very visible bias against Sanders and for Clinton. Everybody should have seen that in the debate last night. But if Sanders pulls close to even with Clinton then will the party be able to continue that? Or even want to continue that. They would then be at risk of being outside the system. 

But if the party plays fair and drops the bias toward Clinton then it's going to catch fire and Bernie will get to the nomination. And of course, with the party playing fair, there then becomes an opening for Elizabeth Warren to stick her neck out. Isn't it patently obvious that she's a Bernie supporter who is at risk of being on the losing side if she backs Bernie? She must know that she couldn't turn the tide for Bernie herself if the party stays biased toward Clinton.

NorthReport

This is shocking, I tell you, shocking!  Laughing

Why Have New Hampshire Democrats Gone Gaga for Bernie Sanders?They're out of sync with the state's history.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/02/new-hampshire-voters-sanders...

voice of the damned

alan smithee wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

Sanders on SNL tomorrow?

It'll be Larry David doing a bland and unflattering impression.

Well, in general, the political impressions on SNL are unflattering. That's kinda the point.

NorthReport

Make no mistake the Democratic establishment is in crisis, and definitely do not get it! It shows how out of touch the elites are with the real issues facing the electorate.

And many thought the Republican establishment were the only ones in crisis.

When Bernie met Hillary

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/02/05/when-bernie-met-hillary...

monty1

NorthReport wrote:

Make no mistake the Democratic establishment is in crisis, and definitely do not get it! It shows how out of touch the elites are with the real issues facing the electorate.

And many thought the Republican establishment were the only ones in crisis.

When Bernie met Hillary

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/02/05/when-bernie-met-hillary...

Not yet. They will know when they are in crisis and that will be when they show us they are going to drop their pro-Clinton bias. Then they will have clear sailing and will have dropped off the ball and chiain of the big money on Wall street. The real agenda of the good guys within the Dem party all along.

monty1

NorthReport wrote:

Make no mistake the Democratic establishment is in crisis, and definitely do not get it! It shows how out of touch the elites are with the real issues facing the electorate.

And many thought the Republican establishment were the only ones in crisis.

When Bernie met Hillary

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/02/05/when-bernie-met-hillary...

Not yet. They will know when they are in crisis and that will be when they show us they are going to drop their pro-Clinton bias. Then they will have clear sailing and will have dropped off the ball and chiain of the big money on Wall street. The real agenda of the good guys within the Dem party all along.

Don't buy into the media's talking points on parties in crisis. The whole US system of government is close to crisis.

NorthReport

Hillary would have you believe that the big money supporting her doesn't want something in return. And Hillary says it with such a straight face she should be in Hollywood with such acting abilities.  Laughing

The problem for the establishment candidates is that the voters are tied of the establishment constant lies. 

Regardless of whether or not Sanders wins, this election contest for the Democratic nomination will be different.

The Big Money Question at the Sanders-Clinton Debate
http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/the-big-money-question-at-the...

Pondering

monty1 wrote:

As opposed to an agenda being the deciding factor, it appears to me that personality will win the day. Bernie comes across as a nice guy while Hilary comes across as grating on the nerves, and that's not just my perception. I'm wondering if any of the women here will find it the same with Hillary?

Yes but it isn't just personality. It's underlying messages. Obama was perceived to have "stolen" the leadership from Hillary. Her time had come, she paid her dues, first woman president. When she lost to Obama the word was she would just have to wait out the 8 years tops then it would be her turn, she would still be young enough. We would have had the first "black" president and she was next up. She banked on her femaleness as being progressive enough. She sought to prove she had the balls of an old white man but with charm.

Now along comes Bernie, 74, white, yet politically Hillary is the old white man.

NorthReport

When Bernie's background in fighting for minorities comes more to light, and people get to know him better, his support is sure to grow in the Afro-American and other minority communities. 

Former NAACP Chief to Endorse Bernie Sanders

Former NAACP head Ben Jealous will endorse Bernie Sanders, a source familiar with the situation confirmed.

The endorsement from Jealous—a popular and prominent civil rights leader—could boost Sanders at a critical time in his primary fight against Hillary Clinton. Sanders has thus far gained most of his support from white progressives and gained little traction among black voters, whose support will be crucial in coming primary states like South Carolina and other southern states.

Jealous was president and CEO of the NAACP for five years starting in 2008 and is now a venture capitalist. He is one of a number of prominent black Americans who have endorsed Sanders, including Dr. Cornel West, rapper Killer Mike, and Ohio state Sen. Nina Turner. Sanders has also attracted support from South Carolina state lawmakers.

Sanders has made criminal justice reform a central part of his platform, and discusses his anti-segregation activism as a college student often on the campaign trail. “We got involved in trying to desegregate the housing owned by the University of Chicago, segregated housing,” Sanders said during a CNN town hall on Wednesday night. “And we also got involved in efforts to desegregate the school system there and I got arrested.”

“But I think, you know, as far back as I can remember,” Sanders added, “but injustice is something that I have always fought throughout my life.”

http://time.com/4207974/bernie-sanders-ben-jealous-naacp-endorse/

Former NAACP leader Ben Jealous to endorse Bernie Sanders

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/02/04/former-n...

NorthReport

Bernie Sanders’s real problem with black and Hispanic voters

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/04/why-exactly-do...

monty1

Pondering wrote:

monty1 wrote:

As opposed to an agenda being the deciding factor, it appears to me that personality will win the day. Bernie comes across as a nice guy while Hilary comes across as grating on the nerves, and that's not just my perception. I'm wondering if any of the women here will find it the same with Hillary?

Yes but it isn't just personality. It's underlying messages. Obama was perceived to have "stolen" the leadership from Hillary. Her time had come, she paid her dues, first woman president. When she lost to Obama the word was she would just have to wait out the 8 years tops then it would be her turn, she would still be young enough. We would have had the first "black" president and she was next up. She banked on her femaleness as being progressive enough. She sought to prove she had the balls of an old white man but with charm.

Now along comes Bernie, 74, white, yet politically Hillary is the old white man.

An interesting question arises. If it wasn't for Obama and all the racist hate against him, then the current situation may not have come to exist in that country. Something for you to consider and I'll try to expand on that a little later. But for now, consider that the birth of the extremist crazies who are the tea party was a direct reaction to Obama hate. And without the tea party then extremists such as Trump and Cruz wouldn't have found a place in the hearts of Americans. Now consider that Bernie is the left's answer to pulling away from the establishment.

NorthReport

The biggest problem for Sanders is probably the superdelegates, which at 712, amount to approximately one third of the 2,382 delegates required to win the nomination. Is the fix already in for Hillary? 

Michael Moriarity Michael Moriarity's picture

monty1 wrote:

An interesting question arises. If it wasn't for Obama and all the racist hate against him, then the current situation may not have come to exist in that country. Something for you to consider and I'll try to expand on that a little later. But for now, consider that the birth of the extremist crazies who are the tea party was a direct reaction to Obama hate. And without the tea party then extremists such as Trump and Cruz wouldn't have found a place in the hearts of Americans. Now consider that Bernie is the left's answer to pulling away from the establishment.

While it is no doubt correct that much of the right wing hatred of Obama is due to racism, it is not clear that any other Democratic president would have been treated any better. After all, the pattern was set back in the Clinton administration, when the Republicans impeached the president for getting a blow job and lying about it. The right wing media also claimed that the Clintons were guilty of murder, and numerous other actual crimes, none of which ever proved real enough to pursue.

I agree with Charlie Pierce's oft stated theory that the Republican party ate the political equivalent of monkey brains when movement conservatism took over in the late 70s. Since then, the party has suffered from a slowly progressing prion disease, which reached its mad-cow peak with the birth of the Tea Party. The current Republican clown car is the inevitable result of the prion disease.

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

NorthReport wrote:

The biggest problem for Sanders is probably the superdelegates, which at 712, amount to approximately one third of the 2,382 delegates required to win the nomination. Is the fix already in for Hillary? 

That is the biggest problem with the system. Even if the people elect a clear leader the party establishment can nominate another candidate. If that is how Hillary wins the nomination the Democrats will lose the general election to any of the Republican front runners. Like it or not many in Bernie's anti-establishment base will just stay at home if Hillary wins by getting nearly all the super delegates.

josh

NorthReport wrote:

The biggest problem for Sanders is probably the superdelegates, which at 712, amount to approximately one third of the 2,382 delegates required to win the nomination. Is the fix already in for Hillary? 

If Sanders were to win the primaries convincingly (highly unlikely) they wouldn't block him. Other than that they will go to Clinton by a large margin.

alan smithee alan smithee's picture

voice of the damned wrote:
alan smithee wrote:

NorthReport wrote:

Sanders on SNL tomorrow?

It'll be Larry David doing a bland and unflattering impression.

 

Well, in general, the political impressions on SNL are unflattering. That's kinda the point.

That's subjective. I find that they don't ridicule the King of Manhattan,the UUUGE Donald J (for jerk) Trump quite enough,their impressions of him are super soft ball. Just sayin'

NorthReport

Makes sense to me.

 

josh wrote:
NorthReport wrote:

The biggest problem for Sanders is probably the superdelegates, which at 712, amount to approximately one third of the 2,382 delegates required to win the nomination. Is the fix already in for Hillary? 

If Sanders were to win the primaries convincingly (highly unlikely) they wouldn't block him. Other than that they will go to Clinton by a large margin.

takeitslowly

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/02/03/why-grumpy-bernie-sanders-is-like-sunny-justin-trudeau-walkom.html

ANOTEHR REASON to boycott the the toronto star, thomas walkom, the liberal shill, is trying to equate bernie with justin

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

MegB wrote:

Personal attack Kropotkin.

Lookit, the two of you are never going to agree so I suggest you not engage each other. No one wants to be a captive audience to your spats - the disruption of threads is quite annoying.

As always you are absolutely right.

monty1

Clonton starts to wrap herself in their bloodsoaked flag. Being very aggressive in saying that none of her money changed her opinions and that, in layman's language, she wan't completely bought and paid for. 

Disgusting. And MSNBC has upped their game and are solidly on the side of Clinton still. One last big effort to see if they can continue their bias, before the Sanders tide rolls over them and htey have to roll with it. That might happen and now it's a crapshoot. 

Aristotleded24

[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBmk3VhMTbQ]Bernie Sanders is one scary dude[/url]

NorthReport

Thanks Ari for the above.

Bernie Sanders Really Embarrassed Hillary Clinton in Wisconsin. Hear What He Did.PJ Media  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1O8B9ZtCTo

 

NorthReport

THE GREATEST INTERVIEW OF ALL TIME (2015) - BERNIE SANDERS

Published on 15 Jun 2015

If you are not interested in politics because it's too complicated to understand or too rigged, this video will explain everything you need to know about whats going on in America, American politics and why you should vote. I'll let you decide who you think should be president in 2016 after your watch this interview.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0G5MtSJsYQ

NorthReport

Sanders Admits Receiving Free Checking from Big Banks  Laughing

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/sanders-admits-receiving-...

NorthReport

Which politician in Canada comest closest to what Bernie Sanders represents? Maybe someone in QS perhaps.

You Say You Want a Revolution? Young Americans to Bernie Sanders: Count Me In!

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/you_say_you_want_a_revolution_a_sand...

NorthReport

The movie the big short has come out at the perfect time for Bernie. Bernie should give copies of it away to everyone

NDPP

Bernie Sanders: The Trans Pacific Partnership is a 'Disastrous' Deal for the Middle Class

https://t.co/YECSBMLtSQ

"Remind us why Canada signed this again..?"

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

And in a really funny oops moment here is Chelsea Clinton.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH7Kp1ZGCMY

NorthReport

So is this just more of the hype that not so subtly supports Clinton?

Bernie Sanders Needs A Big Win In New Hampshire

But how big is “big”?

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/bernie-sanders-needs-a-big-win-in-ne...

 

NorthReport

Bernie Sanders has completely erased Hillary Clinton's lead in the Democratic primary

http://www.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-and-hillary-clintons-tied-...

monty1

NorthReport wrote:

Bernie Sanders has completely erased Hillary Clinton's lead in the Democratic primary

http://www.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-and-hillary-clintons-tied-...

If true and not biased media then we will see very shortly because MSNBC is going to have to change it's stripes. They have been extremely outward ly biased toward Clinton. So much so that it make me embarrassed for them to even call themselves a media outlet and not campaign heaadquarters for Clinton. Now, if true, they're going to have to at least sort of surreptiously drift to middle ground.

Good on the screeching Rachel Maddow who has been the biggest cheer leader for Clinton. I would love to see her knocked off her perch as the star performer on that gong show.

takeitslowly

i heard from another ndp voter that trudeau is like bernie sanders, i am so tired of it. canadians are so stupid and ignorant. its hopeless

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

takeitslowly wrote:

i heard from another ndp voter that trudeau is like bernie sanders, i am so tired of it. canadians are so stupid and ignorant. its hopeless

That is a ridiculous statement. Unless Bernie gets elected and then begins to do the bidding of corporations rather than the people who voted for him I don't see how anyone could make such a comparison.  Bernie has a long history of fighting the fight and walking the walk. Trudeau is a pretty face elected as leader of the Liberals to run from the left so he can front for our home grown oligarchy. He is very much like his Liberal clone in BC Christy Clark.

monty1

takeitslowly wrote:

i heard from another ndp voter that trudeau is like bernie sanders, i am so tired of it. canadians are so stupid and ignorant. its hopeless

From a lot of Canadians' perspective there is a similarity. If only in the contrast between Trudeau and Harper. But not limited to that. 

A lot of Canadians also see a similarity between Obama and Trudeau but that is amongst people who are more politicallly in tune. I return to my many submissions that Obama successfully cut the legs out from under the hawks in his country by helping stop the US planned war against Syria, as well as committed his country to negotiate the nuclear deal with Iran. In those respects, it's obvious that Harper was on the side of war with both and Trudeau is not! The similarity can't be denied. 

And what is Sanders but the best answer to replace Obama in that country? Perhaps not being as effective as Obama has been though, because of his agenda being roughly and rudely concemned as socialism, communism, pinko, etc., you name it.

Canadians aren't ignorant and stupic any more than people in aother countries, and probably better than in most. But when conditioned by ten years of Harper and his prowar agenda of cooperation with the US, you can't expect change overnight. 

NorthReport

Josh or anyone

What is criteria to vote in democratic primaries

How long does one have to be a member etc

takeitslowly

i love how sanders is standing up against tpp, theres nothign similar between sanders and trudeau, sanders is against all corproate trade deals. trudeua is for all of them.

 

i am following sanders campaign because i dont want to hear about trudeau, i hope i can just ignore him for as long as he is pm

kropotkin1951 kropotkin1951's picture

 

NorthReport wrote:

Josh or anyone What is criteria to vote in democratic primaries How long does one have to be a member etc

It is my understanding that each state has its own process and the actual rules vary. Some states do not even require a membership in the party conducting the primary.

Quote:

States with an open presidential primary

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_primaries_in_the_United_States

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